Gundersen: When the radioactive plume hits West Coast in a few months “it’s not like it’s going to end” — Fukushima still pumping contamination into Pacific Ocean 1,000 days after disaster began (AUDIO)

Published: December 7th, 2013 at 2:32 pm ET
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Fairewinds chief engineer Arnie Gundersen interviewed by Common Dreams, Dec. 6, 2013: “All radiation is unsafe […] There is no non-harmful level. […] The faucet is still on. The Pacific is still becoming more contaminated […] This is not a one time wave that washes the shore and goes away. Fukushima is continuing to pollute the ocean.”

Estimated plume location in 4 months — Color scale’s units are in Bq/m³ (V. Rossi et al. 2013)

Fairewinds chief engineer Arnie Gundersen interviewed on KPFA’s Living Room, Sept. 6, 2013: (at 54:00 in): Within about a year it will be on the West Coast of America. But it’s not like it’s going to end — because Fukushima is still pumping in radioactive isotopes. So it’s not a, “Well, it’s going to occur for a week so we can all go home and not eat fish for a week.” This is a continuing contamination of the Pacific Ocean.

A study published earlier this year (V. Rossi et al. 2013) estimated that the radioactive plume would linger off California’s coast for 10 years. Yet, the researchers model is based upon releases from Fukushima ending just a month after the disaster began in March 2011 — meaning it does not account for the 400 tons of radioactive water flowing into the Pacific from the plant each day.

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62 comments to Gundersen: When the radioactive plume hits West Coast in a few months “it’s not like it’s going to end” — Fukushima still pumping contamination into Pacific Ocean 1,000 days after disaster began (AUDIO)

  • Socrates

    We were showered with hot particles beginning 3-15-11. Clouds of Iodine 131 covered the Northern Hemisphere followed by Cesium 134 and 137. Yet, the Canadian, Japanese and American governments agreed among themselves to keep it quiet.

    The Xenon ratios clearly indicated core melts on the three reactors while the NRC documents showed zirconium fires in spent fuel pools #3 and #4. Yet, these governments kept this information from the citizens.

    Then Fort Calhoun and another reactor were nearly submerged on the Missouri River due to negligence. SONGS NPP in Southern California almost melted down as pressure tube recently installed burst after one and one – half years, yet even Senator Boxer cannot get the records.

    I could go on and on. Sounds like Annie Gundersen finally agrees that no reactor can ever be safe enough.

    Guess they were too busy hailing out the big banks and making sure they all got their bonuses to care about us. Time to cut food stamps. Tiny Tim eats too much and we need more wars!


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    • mairs mairs

      Gundersen finally agrees that no nuclear plant can be safe enough? WHen did you hear otherwise? I see these people who turn against him and I never see the evidence from what he has actually said or done. He was the one who in the beginning said that Fukushima would be the final bookend at the end of nuclear power. Is that not explicit enough for you?


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      • Socrates

        Mairs,

        How did you construe my comment as a criticism of Annie Gundersen?

        He stated following 3-11 that he wasn't anti-nuclear energy. His wife Maggie is and was antinuclear energy. Annie stated this in his video presentations, and both he and his wife told me personally following 3-11 on the telephone. Since that time, Annie appears to be more against nuclear energy in its present form.

        How you construe this as an "everybody jumps on Arnie" comment, I don't know. He says nuclear energy cannot be both cheap and safe.

        Nobody forced him to be a nuclear engineer against his will. Obviously he once supported nuclear energy. I happen to hold him in very high esteem. You should not jump to conclusions.


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        • Socrates

          One of the latest Arnie videos, Arnie explains how nuclear energy went wrong. The video is posted at globalresearch.ca

          After Fukushima who can sing the praises of what might destroy the Northern Hemisphere?


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          • Socrates

            You might also be aware that in litigation making statements that one is categorically against an entire industry would be grounds for impeachment for bias. Arnie has been trying to make a living. He was a whistle blowers within the industry. Saying that Fukushima might end the nuclear industry should not be confused with being categorically anti-nuclear.

            Me – I have always been 100% anti-nuclear. The technology should be reserved in case volcanoes cause an ice age and for medical purposes. So I am not anti-nuclear as in Planet of the Apes because that would be anti-scientific.


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            • J.

              You make a very good point here. Gundersen is in fact involved in litigation in the USA — David versus Goliath, with the latter hoarding all the stones — and he has to be very circumspect in his public statements. Like most on this site, I hold him in high esteem.


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            • hbjon hbjon

              "Me – I have always been 100% anti-nuclear. The technology should be reserved in case volcanoes cause an ice age and for medical purposes. So I am not anti-nuclear as in Planet of the Apes because that would be anti-scientific."

              Seeing inside a persons body to diagnose disease does not justify the continued operation of nuclear reactors.

              Maintaining a reactor for the purpose of energy production in the case of a massive volcanic release is…Well, lol, you know. Coo coo.

              You're usually pretty logical in your thinking, but your rationale for nuclear here may be driven by personal interests instead of the needs of the many.


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          • There still seem to be plenty of folks and lots of yellow journalists that flock to their table to be fed scraps from the nuclear table…

            Here is a classic by Arnie about 'hot' particles..

            http://youtu.be/X9LjDaNJKAY


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            • Combine the continuous radioactive air releases, radioactive water ocean dumping and groundwater contamination from 3-4 underground coriums at FUKU…

              What do you get?

              This does not take a nuclear expert to figure it out.

              Anyone can 'get' it with no numbers attached..

              Meanwhile, it is getting worse and worse at FUKU, by orders of magnitude.

              So we start with a horror show, ELE event, and go downhill from there.

              And the band plays on, with most passengers blissfully unaware..


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    • Gradius

      I keep saying we all will die soon (20 years?) due this. While we are alive, we should force ALL those USELESS politicals and CORRUPED scientists to swimming naked on 4th radioative pool all the day.


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  • Max1 Max1

    People aren't lead down the paths of critical thought…
    … Instead, they are mislead with propaganda to their deaths.

    Dilution =/= Saturation

    The Pacific Ocean is being SATURATED with radioactive contamination as I type this… As long as the flow goes unabated, it will continued to saturate the Pacific with radiation. This excessive saturation will show up in excessive amounts of radiation that will "appear" to keep climbing. (appear is in quotes because that is the lingo the government paid scientists get paid to propagandize the public with)

    If the bioaccumulation of radiation in test organisms is supposed to be called dilution…
    … Then I have a bridge to sell.


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    • tfreeman007

      Hi Max,

      You seem to know a lot. I'd like to chat over email sometime.

      Shoot me your email over to this fake account zwvksiob AT sharklasers DOT com
      and I'll email you back from my main email. Too many spammer on the net, this way you email goes there ; sits for a hr at most and disappears


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  • Cisco Cisco

    It's no wonder Americans and others are so ignorant when studies like this get published under the the illusion of being scientific. Producing a study that does not account for ongoing releases and discharges and then predicting the future consequences is not science, it's propaganda.

    "A study published earlier this year (V. Rossi et al. 2013) estimated that the radioactive plume would linger off California’s coast for 10 years. Yet, the researchers model is based upon releases from Fukushima ending just a month after the disaster began in March 2011 — meaning it does not account for the 400 tons of radioactive water flowing into the Pacific from the plant each day."

    This study does nothing, but perpetuate more disinformation.


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  • Rufus

    The contamination since 3/11 has been bad, but the really bad stuff is just now starting to happen.
    It's taken until now for the three coriums to merge their radioactive emissions and produce the spike in radiation that just happened.
    And now, the ground water that flows right through them is surfacing, and better yet, the ground under the entire power plant is dissolving away.
    This is just beginning.
    It's going to get A LOT worse.


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    • Socrates

      The cascade of events is really horrible. Each stage will bring new destruction to life on this planet.

      When the explosions ripped through there was little doubt that three cores would melt out and that fuel had blown up into the atmosphere. I am waiting for our president to make an announcement, which he must.

      The mortality and morbidity in the US cannot be hidden for much longer. The wind and currents and imported foods will tell the tale soon.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Rufus, knows the truth!


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  • Nick

    What happens when seeds no longer pass on viable genes?

    Are we facing mass famine on a scale un-imaginagable 3 years ago?

    Folks on the West Coast need to get out of their smart-phones and start moving East.

    Do you really think our government gives a sh*t about us?

    No way, not with this insane media blackout about the most horrible event EVER in the history of history.

    Prepare to flee.


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    • Ontological Ontological

      @Nick I moved West to get away from paper mill smell, mercury, coal acid rain, etc. in the East long ago! Moving East is not the answer. Vermont's milk supply showed a 300% spike in only DAYS after this happened!


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      • I live on Monterey Coast blocks from the beach.

        My lungs hurt all the time when I've always been super health oriented vegan, exercise, lots of organics, etc.

        The combo of Fukushima and all the chemtrail spraying is very bad.

        And now our Gov wants to start Fracking in Monterey County….overdue for major quake and tsunami.

        Brilliant! I think southern hemisphere might be a better idea as different air/sea current system.


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        • 4Yahshua

          12~9~5995 (out of 6000) in this "Twilight Zone Apocalypse"

          We also live on the West Coast (Southern). We take Cysteine (an amino acid)to help our lungs and immune systems. Started taking it in 2009 because it is supposed to prevent H1N1 (120 mg. day) Then our lungs were not bothered by the wild fires that came. Boron eliminates radiation and strengthens bones. Almonds kill cancer cells. We replaced cows milk with almond milk sweetening it ourselves. Being "sealed" in the Father and Son (Yahweh and Yahshua) will enable us to survive even this! Revelation 14:1


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I don't think they really care about the seeds, since them there seeds are all packed away for the elite's future use and yes the storage and collection was paid for with your combined tax monies.

    Knock on the door and see if they will give you any. :)
    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=norway+seed+vault&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Yes Obe….the Seed Vault is not for the unwashed masses….it is very well guarded, and will be put into use after the main populations die off.

      This stuff seems like science fiction, and people don't want to believe the elite want a large part of the population to die, but if they do a little research their eyes will be opened.


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    • We knocked, and they asked to see a truck load of gold bars before opening the door…

      All we had was gold plated latinum, and they didn't like that, so we had to leave.


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    • bo bo

      Obe… the seed vault is in svalbardsvalbard???

      That is where iori mochiziki (from fiku diary) is now !!!
      This Arctic city ? Island ? is the only current option for japanese people if they decide to evacuate and wish to stay in a another country without a visa.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Ocean currents across the Pacific travel in a path that concentrates in the south half of California. This is the same area that is experiencing an unusual sea lion mortality event in 2013.

    This study "http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096706371300112X" depicts the path. Cesium-137 travels long distances and does not "dilute" as many "experts" have claim.

    So far all the studies I have seen address only the discharges up until 7/2011, however some do speculate on the continued dumping.

    There is over 1000 days of continuous radioactive dumping in the Pacific Ocean. I keep asking myself why doesn't anyone care to solve this problem, because eventually, no matter how much money they have, or how far south they run, they have to know eventually this will poison everyone.
    Studies:
    Radium-based estimates of cesium isotope transport and total direct ocean discharges from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant accident http://darchive.mblwhoilibrary.org:8080/handle/1912/5902
    http://www.biogeosciences-discuss.net/10/5223/2013/bgd-10-5223-2013.html
    Radioactive Cesium from Fukushima Japan Detected in Bluefin Tuna off California: Implications for Public Health and for Tracking Migration
    http://www.e3s-conferences.org/articles/e3sconf/abs/2013/01/e3sconf_ichm13_32001/e3sconf_ichm13_32001.html


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      newsblackoutusa, do you have another link for the study? The link provided isn't working when I try it. Thank you.


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    • Cisco Cisco

      And then there are bucky balls, a fast and highly radioactive transporting bi-product of salt water and uranium 239. These bucky balls are the real gorilla in the room, for West-coasters.

      These nanoscale cage clusters of Buckminsterfullerenes are also known as “bucky balls” due their spherical shape with multiple flat sides similar to the trademark geodesic domes designed by inventor and futurist, Buckminster Fuller. Radioactive bucky balls were formed as seawater was poured over the molten cores of the damaged reactors, turning water into peroxide – creating bucky ball broth which can exist independent of peroxide. Although uranium is heavier than water, uranyl filled, fused-ring bucky balls are lighter and more mobile in water. Thus they are able to quickly transport Fukushima contaminated ocean water all along the Pacific Rim and infuse the marine food chain. These hot particles are virtually indestructible, radiate and are potentially carcinogenic if inhaled. Ocean borne bucky balls are also transported through the winds, sea spray and mists which can be carried as far as 300 km inland. The discovery of these silent killing bucky balls carries dire implications for the 44 nations of the Pacific Rim. At present, the US Environmental Protection Agency and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are not testing for Fukushima melt-down radiation (www.enviroreporter.com/2012/beta-watch)"
      http://anngwyn.wisrville.org/2012/03/12/beware-the-bucky-balls/


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  • SadieDog

    This will piss all of you off. Guaranteed. Come to Japan, everything's fine! You won't believe it.
    http://www.japantravelinfo.com/news/news_item.php?newsid=431


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  • SadieDog

    All enenews ers should read this. This is what we are dealing with.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    newsblackoutUSA, the real "Nuclear Nightmare" is that nothing can be done and this was the original problem with letting this "Nuclear Technology" loose on this planet! Einstein knew!

    There is no solution for an out of control Nuclear Meltdown X 3 and it will get much worse as they allow it to just burn away and contaminate the entire planet! :(

    Ergo: The International Community must ban all Nuclear Technology Power Plants Worldwide! Shut them all down and do it right Now!


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    • Socrates

      Obewanspeaks,

      Yes, Grasshopper, we are all doomed unless something can be done.

      I wonder if being south of the equator would add a few years.

      With three cores and all the spent fuel ponds full of rods, I can foresee that the plant may become too hot to work around. Any mishap such as a broken rod or major earthquake could do it. Then they would run for their lives. The gs would get out of control very fast.

      When is Obama going to admit that this is the biggest threat to life on this planet? In the Cuba missile crisis it was 50-50, either or….This crisis will never be over and could progress. You do not seem to hold much hope. I understand. Enjoy what's left.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Yes Obe, all nuke activities must cease… albeit a day late and a dollar short.

    I guess I am appalled more public figures don't speak out on this issue, but that is my naive "Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm" outlook that is a hold-over from before my Post-Ignorance period.


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    "estimated that the radioactive plume would linger off California’s coast for 10 years." The underwater isotopes of Iodine will be completely gone in 10 years if they don't recharge from Yttrium trinitrite hexahydrate. Eternity of contamination is the real projection model. It will never decrease and is in an environment that will concentrate levels easily.


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  • razzz razzz

    'Groundwater level of more area starting to be in sync with ebb and flow of the sea'
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/12/groundwater-level-of-more-area-starting-to-be-in-sync-with-ebb-and-flow-of-the-sea/

    The entire site is turning into a slough.

    Definition of SLOUGH
    1
    a : a place of deep mud or mire
    b also slew or slue (1) : swamp (2) : an inlet on a river; also : backwater (3) : a creek in a marsh or tide flat


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Indeed ..
    What more needs to be said..
    The corium(s) are in contact with the sea.


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  • bo bo

    In short, it is going to last forever. We will never be able to eat pacific ocean fish. Ever again.


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  • Jebus

    The illusion from the institution is that the solution to pollution is dilution because the contribution to the resolution becomes the pollution of the solution…


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  • ftlt

    People will continue to eat fish, go to the ocean and live there… The delays of illness from this radiation will be years off for the bulk of people… Ill or deformed babiess and failed pregnancy issues will be the first warning signs in humans…

    Wonder, if the warnings and illness rate increases will keep the ocean worshipers away…

    We'll see, won't we… A BIG BUMMER!!!!


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  • keyword ->

    CONTINUOUS: continuing without stopping
    : happening or existing without a break or interruption

    3 melted cores and lies…!

    "…400 tons [or more?] of radioactive water flowing into the Pacific from the plant each day."
    – Gundersen


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  • Indeed, Arnie's absolutely right about this. And TPTB – now to include a surprisingly large cadre of oceanographers who really ought to know better – it's all harmless because of some samples we took back in 2011 from aireal deposition due to the original atmospheric plumes. As if the pollution of the ocean itself hasn't been ongoing and even increasing 24-7 ever since. That's just… despicable. Reminds me of decades' worth of Big Tobacco "scientists."

    People deserve something at least approaching truth, if for no other reason than to protect themselves and their loved ones. If they don't know how or care to learn, or even care to know, that's on them. We're all on our own here. At least don't feed us lies so we can't do anything for ourselves.


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  • Plutonium And Cesium Bio-Concentrates 26,000 Times In Ocean Algae, Up To 5,570,000 Bq/Kg in Land Algae; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/04/plutonium-and-cesium-bio-concentrates.html


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  • Sol Man

    Arnie Gundersen i right on the money when he says "it's not like it is going to end." The event doesn't end; life is another story.


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  • Usefulbreather

    With the Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch, the coming tide of tsunami debris, the radioactive plume from Fukushima contaminating the ocean and the dying sealife…going Scuba Diving in the Pacific is now officially the same thing as Dumpster Diving.


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