Published: June 26th, 2012 at 1:59 am ET
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Still photo from June 26, 2012 at ~12:00a ET:
Live TBS/JNN Cam:
2012.06.26_13.00–14.00 (TBS_JNN) via LIVECAMERA CHECKER
> June 26, 2012 at 12:00a – 1:00a ET
h/t Anonymous tips
First close-up video from June 25 at 9:15p ET:
Published: June 26th, 2012 at 1:59 am ET
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Yape! Hold breath for many centuries!
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There seemed to be an explosion of human activity right after the smoke.
The guy seemed to get out of the crane in a hurry, maybe saying to himself:
"It's not my bloody job to save the world! I quit!"
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Dust from demolition of unit 4.
Posted on June 26, 2012
The JNN/TBS cam has displayed the demolition of walls in unit 4. A large amount of dust was generated by this operation. The concrete in these walls have been subject to neutron bombardment for the past 15 months. This makes the chemical elements in this material radioactive. The main isotopes to be found in this dust, among others, would include cobalt-60, europium-152 and -154, cesium-134, scandium-46, zinc-65, barium-133, and manganese-54.
http://optimalprediction.com/wp/
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What is fascinating to me. And surprising at the same time, is that equipment is able to function under such extreme conditions. Don't tell me this has gone unnoticed.
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The world according to MAD
Mutually Assured Destruction
Dr. Helen Caldicott MD On Nuclear Weapons, MAD/Nuclear Armageddon; via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-helen-caldicott-md-on-nuclear.html
It seems we may not need a nuke war with weapons. We are doing MAD just by having nuclear 'accidents' and testing/using radioactive weapons, such as depleted uranium shells.
Downwinders And Nuclear Bomb Testing; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/downwinders-and-nuclear-bomb-testing.html
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don't know the word for it in english.these clouds are from concrete destroying by airhammer.
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I didn't notice any water suppression to keep all the radioactive dust down…
… Maybe they thought it would cause radioactive run off and contaminate the ocean.
Fools…
… And the radioactive dust, when it falls into the ocean, what does it contaminate?
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Collateral damage. I don't know what the plan is, I just hope it's not a another tent.
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morning CB. for those getting your duck and cover on
Current world-wide Fukushima fallout forecasts
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
rad monitoring, debris tracking and mitigation protocols
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/board,24.0.html
for those with the urge to call
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
http://www.embassyworld.com/
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In my city, during any demolition, water is constantly sprayed to keep the dust from spreading, with buildings nowhere near as radioactive as this one.
Has Tepco not killed enough people yet? No attempt at mitigation or warning, for the infants, children, innocent people downwind?
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It is a hydraulic jackhammer. There also appears to be another unit of some kind on the ground (lower right) with an arm extended up towards the work area. Perhaps to lift pieces down….
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It appears to be quite the dust run off for your theory of it being a jack hammer…
Maybe you could explain why exactly tepco would be jack hammering on the site. Being the current condition of this reactor in particular. I find that to be as alarming as the presence of the smoke. Being smoke rises and dust dissipates. Welcome aboard mate…
Good to have your opinion, but please explain what use a jack hammer would have on top of a SPF ?
Emmy
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Sfp sorry spell check lulz
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It appears that the company is planning on leveling the east wall. Which is probably a step forward I only hope that the support columns below are structurally safe enough to support the demolition work being that they. Should probably be doing this work on the ground instead of adding more weight to the top of the reactor
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I really hate it when I agree with you Tacomagroove, bet you do to.
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"Maybe you could explain why exactly tepco would be jack hammering on the site."
"Good to have your opinion, but please explain what use a jack hammer would have on top of a SPF.
I think it should stand obvious to anyone watching the film that there is demolition work taking place here.
At the beginning of the film the East wall is considerably taller.
As the end effector on the machinery moves around, the East wall progressively gets smaller and pieces fall down.
It is also plainly obvious that the smoke/dust strangely seems to be coming from the exact point where the end effector is touching the East wall.
Demolition work.
This is why TEPCO is jack hammering on the site.
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The main point is that tepco is rushing the job.
Placing an enormous ammount of weight on the fuel pool platform. Which must be a risk to the structural integrity of the unit. So we have to calculate the risk of such a move on telcos behalf in order. To understand the achievement. It paints an ill picture of where the situation stands in my opinion
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So what I was asking you to elaborate on is: why tepco would use the roof of the unit as a work space vs using the ground. Being the area is both unstable and highly contaminated.. As that seems quite risky in my eyes…
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This video makes it pretty apparent why they put a cover over the top of the SFP. Demolition is the art of making little stuff out of big things. Messy. Probably would have had all kinds of stuff falling in.
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Good point scintillor, I wish them well in their endeavors.
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Early on Dec. 6 2011, the whole sky lit up on the webcam, then the JNN cam went down, and when it came back up, parts of reactor 4 were missing. Tepco later claimed it was planned demolition, and new posters came to Enenews to post links to Tepco's files to show it on the schedule afterwards. No one posted such links before the event, however.
On June 24, 2012, there was a massive criticality as seen in nuckelchen's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3X-aFxx4JE&feature=youtu.be
Then we watch more surprise, vigorous demolition of reactor 4. Will we have new members join us?
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"On June 24, 2012, there was a massive criticality as seen in nuckelchen's video"
Uhhhh, I don't think so.
This is not the result of a criticality.
This facility is on the coast. A foggy coast.
The fog blows in and bunches up against the ridgeline upon which the camera sits. When enough pushes in, it spills over the backside.
You can see the same thing in San Francisco.
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Scintillator
I wonder whether you bothered to actually look at Nuckelchen's video before deciding it was not of a criticality.
I was born in the San Francisco area.
I can assure you that bright flashes of light followed by visible energy/heat wave pulses,
culminating in massive steam releases ARE NOT typical in San Francisco. Indeed, they are unprecedented.
What is your purpose?
I've had enough of psy-war and propaganda.
Take a look at the video, decide if you agree, and then analyze for us the grounds for your disagreement.
Quick dismissals suggest hidden agendas.
The early morning hours from 24.06.2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3X-aFxx4JE&feature=youtu.be
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I have watched Nuckelchen and how i can you to determine, when criticality begins?
Can you explain that criticality is and which conditions is needed, that criticality is able to begin?
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My eyes are rolling.
Are you trying to suggest that ALL of this white cloudy stuff that fills the space between the camera and the plant is from the reactor?
I have also live in the Bay Area. Fog pouring over a ridgeline is all to common in San Francisco. The best scenes are around Mountain View.
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Obviously you are unwilling or incapable of making an argument.
The video I linked is not reducible to steam emission.
Edward Bernays is the father of modern propaganda.
He wrote a book on the subject.
If that is your game, you ought to read the book so that you can perform it more effectively.
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eyes rolling
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I don't know where to add this. I am a fan of our colorful and talented Nuckel ..
This video capture by fellow videologger 4545 shows the only shot I am aware of that gives some perspective of how far away the JNN camera is from Fuku and the terrain between Fuku and the camera doesn't it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwYVZjbck4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It's like a spy cam zoom lens it seems to me. I think the perspective is relevant.
Anyway .. just to add a thought .. the hydraulic jack demo videos are scary just cause one wonders what could go wrong and especially watching them sped up ..
But they do remind me of a Godzilla versus R4 movie. That thing zaps and chews up R4 .. the sunlight glints flashing add to the drama. It's history in the making.
I find myself cheering for the Godzilla over R4.
Peace and hi to my friends here.
Bako
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it was dramatic, history in the making, edge of the seat, watching.
good to read you bako, was wondering how you've been.
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Hi Richard.
If it wasn't too flippant with such serious work being done ..
I would laugh (and cry) if these were edited with godzilla shrieks sound effects. Perhaps after we are on the other side of this eh?
OT but brief .. I am ok. Some hard days w my dad's first death anni, fathers day and my BD all just a few days apart. But I made it ..not without a couple of bruisers and stupidity .. but I made it. First year the hardest.
Hope you are doing better too. Yes?
Hugs.
Bako
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you're right bako, that's a tough anniversary to get thru. good to see you made it (curious about the bruises now.. another time maybe
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yes, i don't always mean to be flippant, same for the you and the others too. I guess some humour helps from time to time.
i've been a bit better thanks, i used my attitude to write a song, that's been an uplifting process to vent that way. it has helped me to feel somewhat better about what's happening.
thanks for asking …
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Ditto (eye rolling), Scintillator. If you're not of the "OHMYGAAAWD!!!" school of thought, then you must be a (pinko commie) conspirator! Master of disinformation! Working for, um, well, someone bad! And later in this string of posts are incessant demands to "Show me! Prove that it's fog! Prove it prove it prove it!" A realistic view will have you branded as a deviant here. Don't try to burst the apocalyptic bubble
So much more fun for the fog to be a massive nuclear criticality. Complete with (imaginary) flash of light and (admittedly cool) end of the world music.
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Nice call, majia!
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scintillator,
Please link to a video of San Francisco that shows "bright flashes of light followed by visible energy/heat wave pulses." I've lived here for over 20 years, and never seen anything here like that event that nuckelchen posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3X-aFxx4JE&feature=youtu.be
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In all of my posts I have been referring to the FOG.
Never referenced any flashes.
If you want FOG videos from the Left Coast I can provide many.
You all seem to be itching for an argument, shredding newcomers if they say ANYTHING that you don't agree with or think are statements made by shills.
Chill. We are all on this forum because of the same motivations.
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The distinctive element documented in that video is at the beginning. Please find a link that shows a similar event in San Francisco. I would appreciate it.
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The distinctive part of my comments has been about FOG.
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The beginning documents a criticality which has not been recorded in San Francisco, to my knowledge.
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Exactly!
You use the red herring of 'fog' in replying to the question of bright flashes and visible energy and/or heat waves. Pardon me, but I think your agenda is showing.
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If, so, then please respond to majia's question at 11:34 am, rahter than resopnding with a red herring about fog:
"Take a look at the video, decide if you agree, and then analyze for us the grounds for your disagreement."
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I'm asking you to make an argument to support your claims.
That is all.
That way people can evaluate the soundness of contesting positions.
It is called the dialectical method.
You have dismissed the video as simply being "fog" without providing any grounds for your singular and exhaustive claim.
I'm in a very bad mood today, it is true.
Why is that?
It is because I see that absolutely no efforts are being made to protect the people of Japan or the world from ongoing radioactive steam releases.
The concrete dust blowing in the video is most definitely radioactive. No effort was made to warn the people of Fukushima to avoid the dust.
I am angry because the NRC failed to warn residents in the US of fallout when their own statistical risk assessments suggested CA children would be impacted by radioactive iodine-131.
Yes I am angry when newcomers show up on the site and start causally dismissing without argument the work of people who have been watching this disaster unfold closely for the last 15 months.
I'M ALL FOR CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE, DISSENT, AND ARGUMENT,
but causal and dismissive comments, without evidence or warrants, are not in fact constructive.
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I agree with you Majia!
The people who have been on here for 15 months have watched this ELE unfold. For someone to just jump on here and spew inaccuracies, well…they probably have a hidden agenda, which you so very well pointed out.
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"Chill. We are all on this forum because of the same motivations."
No, we are not.
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i do believe we should not be shredding newcomers. I think I made that mistake before and regretted it.
(although I did like b&b's retort to 'dunno' last night)
Mis-understanding can happen very easily in this environment, and tempers are somewhat strained from time to time. (a newcomer may not be aware of that, now i'm thinking about it).
just my 2 cents.
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Agreed, the purpose of this site is to spread the news, but often new people get jumped on, like they have no right being here because you have been here for a year or more.
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This article has 7200 views, and the site has nearly 5300 facebook likes, but the same 20-30 people leave all the comments. Because newcomers get ripped up. The purpose is to spread the news, I am sure there are alot of smart people reading these articles. Give them a break, and ask for clarification before ripping into them. Just because you have been here from the start doesn't make you smarter than all the rest, better informed, maybe.
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Normally one would use some waterspray to contain the dust.
Even though they are experts with spraying overheating cores since 3/11, they dont seem to care.
Maybe some reasons why:
-They dont want to add more water weight
-The works are very much in a hurry
-The personel is unqualified concerning construction works
-They simply dont care making a small mess, as they lost any scale of awareness
-No money, no time
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?foggy?
?water?
?normaly?
?san francisco????????
!jesus!
the yellow spraid isn't water for cooling down something….
its nuke clustering polymers whatever.
sorry,
i'm running out of any words at moment…..
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A well placed shill comment..Nuck…ignore.
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PS..Words are hard to come by today.. I agree.
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?ignore?
(ignorecium, one of the most deadly non-nuky-radio-gagas)
ignorecium ist natürlich ebenfalls nuckelchenblogde trademarked und teuer, richtig teuer bei unsachgemässer anwendung.
by the way my lady,
you got mail^^
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Nuck…how you make me smile…..
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heheh
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fine…then we can go one with:
"how to make you groovy"
LOUD PLAYMELOUD
http://soundcloud.com/andhim/super-flu-andhim-reeves
'cuze that will be given some pretty'n good vibrations:
groovy smiles
super flu'ing
wow,
sounds like some kind of nuck-fui,
nehclekcun-
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ok nuckels, u got me. Guess it was using "groovy" twice or perhaps "good vibrations", but i clicked ur link hoping for some kind tuneage. Instead it is 8 minutes of hell. To me. I know lots o' kids R diggin it.
But it is not music. Music has a soul. (rant almost over)
I'm 49, that explains a lot, and I apologize. But the issue on this site is the runaway idiocy of the inhuman nuke monsters. Inhuman noise posing as "music" is a small part of our overall problem, no part of any solution.
Young kids being encouraged to enter trance like states and conditioned to act like robots, convinced robotic, computerized vomit is good music is a symptom of our disease.
rant over peace, love and grooviness to ALL
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The techs chill as they will…
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thank you for talking about,
so i can understand and respect it.
as my own nuklide shows (germanium 71) i'm a part of the "rough fourtys" too.
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..Thanks.. Nuck..subwoofer activation..
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Reality Check Part 1: Concrete was poured during building of nuke plant, and contains few radioactive isotopes. No problem with dust. TEPCO wants to keep workers exposed at Fuku to a minimum. The site is littered with Reactor3 guts. Any water spray could pick up radioactive material on its way into the ocean. Better not to spray.
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re: " Concrete was poured during building of nuke plant, and contains few radioactive isotopes."
I think this statement is missing something. First, the #4 reactor building was devastated by an explosion they say was related to the (very dirty) number # 3 explosion. In addition, many say that the fuel in the #4 SFP BURNED when the water level dropped in there–hence the efforts to drop water on it.
A couple years ago there was a very minor fire in the basement of a campus building I used to frequent. For weeks and weeks after that incident, the rest of that building smelled very strongly of whatever was combusted in the fire. Even today, nearly two years later, one can still detect the smell left from that fire on the ground floor. When things burn, they release very tiny particles of stuff that travel far beyond the fire and some of them adhere to other surfaces throughout the structure and linger there.
Given the proximity of the #3 explosion and the fire in the #4 fuel pools, I find it hard to believe that there is no residue of very nasty isotopes adhering to the concrete walls of the #4 reactor building. We have seen plenty of stories documenting how hard it is to decontaminate homes in Fukushima via power-washing, and these stories always note how strongly some radionuclides seem to adhere to concrete, in particular.
Given all of this, I think there is very good reason to think that the pulverizing of #4's concrete walls into dust likely IS a…
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… is a "problem."
(I really wish the "Character Limit Per Comment" count were an accurate count)
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Yes, it's highly poisonous stuff, even if the deposition did not penetrate very far. There's a lot of surface, and a lot of deposition. That dust will add to the hurt somewhere. Scintillator is right about the procedure but way too optimistic, could be sincere but even to me the comments come across shillish.
Alas! Why can we not all agree on the obvious! That deliberately and insouciantly scattering open spent fuel pools across a world that may soon no longer be able to afford the upkeep on them is no better than simply all of us (or certainly our children) being shot in the head? and DISMANTLE these things now, BEFORE the earthquakes, while we may still be able to do so?
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philipupnorth,
"Concrete was poured during building of nuke plant, and contains few radioactive isotopes. No problem with dust."
Do tell about this magic force-field that separates the concrete from the radioactive isotopes released during fires, explosions, etc. at reactor 4. I want to get me some of that. The whole world would be interested, I'm sure.
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To all who commented above: Of course, all exposed concrete may have a coating of reactor 3 material, and SFP4 burn products, which is why I said "contains few radioactive isotopes". But the interior of each column, which was poured before the reactor was used, is certainly mostly devoid of isotopes. Reactor3 exploding endangered all your loved ones, and all their generations. The dismantlation of the skeleton of Reactor4 has harmed nobody.
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philipupnorth,
How can you make such an baseless claim that the "dismantlation of the skeleton of Reactor4 has harmed nobody?"
This shows in Fukushima:
12-06-25 12:00
228,000 nSv/hr
and in the Futaba District
11,084 nSv/h
http://jciv.iidj.net/map/?__r=/var/www/jciv/map
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Reality Check Part2: TEPCO Plan for Building4 crane support structure for removal of contents of SFP4:
http://enenews.com/tepco-foundation-improvement-work-begins-tomorrow-at-reactor-no-4-also-trying-to-prevent-rainwater-penetration-photos-english
Note that the Plan is to remove all Building4 structure remains above operation floor level.
Here is the famous photo op view showing that some of the remaining structure above the operation floor at Fuku4 was two stories high.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/04/photos-of-reactor-4-with-senior-vice.html
This all has to go before Building4 crane support structure is built.
I imagine that, in years to come, this crane support structure will be repeated for Buildings1,2,&3 for removal of contents of SFP1,2,&3. In the video above, workers are seen all over Building4. Buildings1,2,&3 are still too hot for workers. So, they are working to clear contents of SFP4 first. Meanwhile, what did those core samples from bore holes drilled at an angle under Fuku1,2,&3 show? Hmmmm, TEPCO?
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Thank you philipupnorth,
Finally some sanity amongst the screaming chaos.
Check….
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My pleasure, Jebus. We do get way out there, sometimes, don't we? Sometimes it is difficult to maintain focus when your world is falling apart.
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It's almost like we are holding our breath too too long and it would be some sort of 'relief' when the building finally falls, the coriums finally blow up (think Czar Bomb), when the world finally wakes up. We know it's a lost cause, we are going to ride the electric chair now, that is decided…but do we have to wait indefinitely in the dark in our empty cell for what will be a certain but untimely death not knowing the hour, the day, the year? What kills the man is the waiting and not knowing the when.
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They can drill holes in the walls and put charges that can bring down the walls in a desirable fashion. Using chains and cranes, large pieces will fall where they want them to.
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Explosive charges in a structurally compromised building filled with spent nuclear fuel (five stories above ground) …
With all due respect, that sounds like a very bad combination. There's not a lot of margin for error there, and one charge that is misplaced or a bit larger than intended could have catastrophic consequences. Even if the explosive force were to momentarily deform the fuel rods so that they bend too close to each other, I would think it could trigger a very bad outcome.
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Might turn out just as bad as throwing a bag of camping trash into a volcano lava pond…."could trigger a very bad outcome"
watch
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/video-vom-vulkan-erta-ale-muellbeutel-laesst-lavasee-brodeln-a-840978.html
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OMGosh B&B hope not.
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The videos are of vibrating spikes like you see in road work, they are taking off dead weight on top unit 4. that makes it top heavy
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looks like standard demolition work to me.
if i remember right part of tepco's plan for removing spent fuel was to build a structure next to the reactor building that covers the SFP so fuel can remain contained durring the removal process.
if you watch the vid it's slowly removing the damaged top of the building.
although concrete would not contain any radioactive elements within it, it has been coated with them due to the accident. concrete is somewhat porous, so the outer layer will have radioisotopes imbeded in it.
what they should be doing if they havent already is spray the remaining concrete to be removed with a resin that prevents the outer layer from "powderizing" and becoming airborne. if this was actually done you will still see large amounts of dust when the jackhammer hits the non- resin coated concrete.
even without the radioactive contamination they still should be spraying water while the jack hammer is running, concrete dust is not a good thing to be breathing in, radioactive or not.
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For comparison…here is how much radiation the initial concrete tomb at Chernobyl is trying to contain (and failing):
"The Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant Object Shelter or Sarcophagus is a massive concrete envelope surrounding the nuclear reactor unit 4 of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. It is designed to halt the release of radiation into the atmosphere following the Chernobyl disaster on April 26, 1986 and encase the most dangerous area. It is situated within a large, restricted area known as the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. The official Russian name is No 4. ukrytiye, which means housing or covering, as opposed to sarcophagus. The sarcophagus locked in 200 tons of radioactive corium, 30 tons of highly contaminated dust and 16 tons of uranium and plutonium.[1] In 1996 it was deemed impossible to repair the inside of the sarcophagus as radiation levels were estimated to be as high as 10,000 röntgens per hour (normal background radiation in cities is usually around 20-50 microröntgens per hour)."
Credit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant_sarcophagus
SP: 10,000 roentgens (an older archaic form of nuclear energy measurement) converted to a value we know better (sieverts): 1193 Sieverts per hour
http://www.asknumbers.com/RadiationExposureConversion.aspx
So that is what Fukushima will be contending with and the corums at Daiichi (possibly 4, at least 3) are in a much larger surface area to contain.
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More about Chernobyl's concrete tombs:
"Soviet engineers cobbled it together in just six months. The north wall is a stack of debris-filled concrete forms. The south wall consists of steel panels propped against girders. The steel plates that make up the roof are affixed by gravity alone…
Some 480,000 cubic yards of concrete and 7,300 tons of steel went into the Shelter, and it is held in place mostly by friction and luck. When Soviet workers finished building the Shelter, it was riddled with holes the size of picture windows. Leaking water corroded the steel support beams. A large crack was buckling the west wall. Birds flew in and out, spreading radioactive contamination. Ukraine inherited the crumbling Shelter after the Soviet Union broke up. By then it had become even more dangerously unstable, and Ukraine didn’t have the money or expertise to repair it.
The G7 nations agreed to fund a complete rehab of the Shelter in 1997. They chartered SIP to oversee dozens of projects: plugging holes in its walls, replacing its roof, stabilizing its west wall and ventilation stack, installing monitoring equipment… In essence, the Shelter had to be fixed up in order for it to be safely torn down. The costliest project to date, and the last in SIP’s mandate, is the New Safe Confinement, a $1.3-billion arch that will, if all goes well, completely seal off the Shelter from the environment."
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-06/chernobyl-now
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i think they are sawing concrete with large diamondsaw and that is concrete dust
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Had an idea. I'm relatively ignorant in these matters and would like feedback –
Might they be able to super cool the rods with a liquid refrigerant before attempting removal or would that be a stupendously bad idea for some reason
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SGN typed these pixels of light:
>Might they be able to super cool the rods with a liquid refrigerant before attempting removal or would that be a stupendously bad idea for some reason
SP:
It a fairly popular suggestion, but in theory only. In practice it is assumed that super cold liquid on very hot metal might cause fracturing, possibly explosively. Liquid refrigerant would rapidly cool and embrittle the zircalloy casing. An uneven cooling would probably cause cracking either of the zircalloy or the cooling pool itself…with disastrous consequences.
Keep thinking!! The only dumb suggestion is the one never offered.
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The whole world should be biting their fingernails right about now. But no one but a few even know about it
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SGN also sez…"The whole world should be biting their fingernails right about now. But no one but a few even know about it"
SP: The frequency of nightmares increases exponentially the closer you get to Fukushima Prefecture. Most Japanese are very aware of the dangers, but ignore it to run their daily life, hoping for a miracle.
On the other hand those poor little fokkers within fifty miles are turning into schizoid wild hares…
Get away from the island of Honshu and 99.99% of the people are ho-hum…half the human race probably never heard of Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant accident.
For the 3.5 billion that have heard about it, 99% think everything is fine in bonny Japan…
That attitude reminds me of the Black Knight in Monty Python with no arms or legs who says he is fine…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbZRCFBwJQE
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The top videos showing a large machine cutting through concrete, the 'smoke' is nothing but concrete dust. Any of you ever cut concrete? Dusty as all hell. And those girders they are cutting are many feet thick. Do any of you notice as soon as the machine stops cutting the dust stops? If some of you want to believe it is steam or smoke go ahead. But it is only cement dust. It may be radioactive, but it is just dust. And in the grand scheme of things, spraying water on it is not needed. So much has already been blown into the ocean and atmosphere, this is like spitting in the ocean……
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St Paul Scout:
it is only cement dust. Probably not even radioactive, as the concrete was poured before fuel was put into reactor.
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philipupnorth,
What force-field has kept the concrete separate from the radioactive isotopes released in the fires, etc.?
As Bobby1 states, "The concrete in these walls have been subject to neutron bombardment for the past 15 months. This makes the chemical elements in this material radioactive. The main isotopes to be found in this dust, among others, would include cobalt-60, europium-152 and -154, cesium-134, scandium-46, zinc-65, barium-133, and manganese-54.
http://optimalprediction.com/wp/
If, as majia has suggested, the 20,557 uSv/hr spike in Fukushima is a result of this action, StPaulScout, then it is more than "spitting in the ocean." People downwind, especially in Fukushima should be in the discussion about when TEPCO can act with all the responsibility of a toddler on methamphetamines.
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majia
June 26, 2012 at 12:53 am · Reply
Remember that huge radiation spike that occurred yesterday in Japan?
http://new.atmc.jp/#p=07b606bf92456e9be9
You can read about the spike at Bobby's blog:
Enormous radiation spike in Fukushima prefecture.
http://optimalprediction.com/wp/
"A huge radiation spike of 20,557 uSv/hr occurred today at a high school in Fukushima prefecture, east of Koriyama…."
THIS DEMOLITION could have been the cause if I am correct that the footage we were viewing is not live and has been speeded up slightly
The huge radiation spike could be from the dust!
Why didn't they warn people to stay inside???????????
http://enenews.com/forum-fukushima-webcam-discussion-thread-dec-14-2011-present
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I doubt the cutting of cement girders caused that spike. Now having said that, the vibrations caused by the cutting could have kicked up radiation from inside the reactor building, that is certainly plausible. Would you rather they leave the building standing there or try to cut it down to make it a bit more stable? If SFP 4 tips over, cement dust will be the least of your worries. And as far as people down wind goes, they should have hit the road a long time ago, you know that, I know that, and they should have known it too. Ignorance of this on going situation is not an excuse for anyone. It has already gone past push comes to shove, those people should have traveled to southern Japan and thrown a rock thru a window so they could live in jail if nothing else.
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Since an unbelievable number of Tepco's victims are infants and very young children, blaming them for not leaving doesn't fly, StPaulScout. They can't read, drive, even some don't walk.
The entire site has been buried in nano-MOX-plutonium-uranium, etc., and Tepco sent it all airborne carelessly, into their lungs, into their bodies. This was not the only way, Tepco seems to always choose the worst option for the babies nearby.
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NoNukes: i will be sticking with my analysis concerning demolition work on Fuku4. Bobby1 includes in is list of isotopes various daughter products of nuclear fission that simply cannot be within the concrete columns being demolished at Fuku4. How would neutrons turn the minerals in typical concrete into the radioisotopes normally expected from nuclear fission? Didn't happen. Radiation spike is a different and perhaps unrelated topic. All the people running around Unit4 after demolition work have dosimeters. They are not going to be there if exposures are high.
Now what is happening with the coriums under Fuku1,2,&3 is a different matter. Entirely. And are you familiar with Potrblog's theory that CMEs from sunspots are causing spallation in the upper atmosphere? http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2011/11/european-radioactive-iodine-spallation.html
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philipupnorth,
City/town ordinances all around the world mandate dust mitigation during demolition. The fact that this practice is shared by so many countries indicates the level of harm.
Individuals and governments around the world disagree with you, dust from demolition is NOT harmless, not even with buildings free from MOX plutonium-uranium, etc.
United States:
The worksite should be wetted down, as needed, to control dust.
http://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtraining/htmlfiles/demolit.html/
The U. S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) mandates facilities that generate dust minimize or mitigate the production of dust in their operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust
Breathing in air polluted with construction or road dust may raise blood lipid levels and increase the risk of heart problems for people with asthma
http://local.healthvideo.com/Certain_Air_Pollution_May_Harm_Asthmatics_Hearts_Bowie_MD-r1205685-Bowie_MD.html
Japan:
"there is a defined local cost of intense noise and dust pollution suffered by residents neighboring a construction site."
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/rc20080629a3.html#.T-o51tM_jgQ
India:
"the people who suffer from some respiratory diseases are being badly affected by the pollution caused by the port construction in their town.
http://www.arakanrivers.net/?p=1123
Unfortunately for the people nearby and elsewhere downwind, this building is covered with MOX+, plutonium, uranium, etc., etc.
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More indication of harm:
Fukushima:
12-06-25 12:00
228,000 nSv/hr
and in the Futaba District
11,084 nSv/h
http://jciv.iidj.net/map/?__r=/var/www/jciv/map
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NN sez…"A huge radiation spike of 20,557 uSv/hr occurred today at a high school in Fukushima prefecture, east of Koriyama…."
SP: Not a stretch to suggest the dust clouds at FNPP landed yesterday in Koriyama (36 miles due west of the plant). At yesterday's wind speed of 9 mph it would have been a 3 hour trip for the dust vapors.
Interesting fact about the trip to Koriyama by land transport from Fukushima Daiichi…it's 36 miles as the crows fly (or used to fly before they died from radiation), but 86 miles by highway. The Abukuma Mountain range runs north and south between the coast and Koriyam for about 100 miles with the largest mountain in the range being Mount Ōtakine at 3914 feet.
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This a good thread to mention this nuclear industry terminology (a word named "delamination").
It happened at Crystal Beach, Florida in 2009 and the result was a disaster on the economic scale of Three Mile Island. No radiation was released, but it was an engineering mistake that essentially destroyed the reactor building.
Excerpt:
"The building that shields the nuclear reactor also contains two 35-year-old steam generators. Progress[the owner company] wanted to replace the generators with newer, more powerful models, as other utilities have done.
In the 34 similar jobs, experts have moved things in and out in two ways. One is to use the hatch that is part of the containment building. The other is to cut a hole in the side of the building, which had been done at least 13 times, always successfully.
At Crystal River, Progress president Bill Johnson accepted a recommendation that cutting a hole would be less complicated and less expensive than using the hatch.
But in 2009, when workers cut into the 42-inch-thick wall of the Crystal River containment building, it cracked, creating what Progress officials call a "delamination.''
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/cleaning-up-a-diy-repair-on-crystal-river-nuclear-plant-could-cost-25/1195782
SP: read the whole story and you will learn more about how reactor containment walls are constructed (and erroneously deconstructed). 10-foot walls? nope…how about 42-inch?
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BTW…I hope to hell the Crystal River Nuclear Plant NEVER is repaired and restarted.
Look at its location on the Gulf of Mexico:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_River_3_Nuclear_Power_Plant
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Correction of my Crystal Beach post…it doesn't have 10 foot walls or a just 42-inch walls…there are SIX 42-inch wall panels (21-foot thick containment barrier). The owners also were very devious in revealing the building was continuing to fall apart with a third crack they were not anxious to reveal to state officials.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/article1202505.ece
Excerpt: "On Aug. 8, Progress gave an update on the situation at Crystal River to Florida's Public Service Commission, which is reviewing how much, if any, of the charges related to the repair can be passed on to customers.
Progress made no mention of a possible third crack.
Yet, on the same day, Progress filed its annual report to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. In that report, the utility said "additional cracking or delaminations may have occurred or could occur during the repair process."
In further researching of this Florida albatross the latest update is the total cost from the wall fiasco is 2.8 billion:
"Progress estimates that it will cost as much as $1.3 billion to repair the broken plant and another $1 billion to purchase alternative electricity while the reactor remains off line. Progress already has spent more than $500 million on expenses related to the first repair."
Latest on Crystal River NPP:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/cracking-halted-but-future-of-crystal-river-nuclear-plant-remains-uncertain/1236614
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thanks SP.
John Kindinger, a mechanical and nuclear engineer who worked on a reactor in Midland, Mich., that is similar in design to the Crystal River one. "Once you find one problem, then the questions proliferate. There is a point when the questions become overwhelming to fix."
and all this from just trying to decide about passing the costs onto the consumers. it wasn't a chat about safety (or decommissioning).
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http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/12/05/florida-containment-dome-crackers-how-saving-15-million-ended-up-costing-2-5-billion/
SP: An excellent read abve on the longterm ramifications of "fixing" the Crystal Beach Nuclear Power Plant. The plot thickens with the nuke puke insiders running the insurance company responsible for saying yes or no to repairs and the crippled plant is approaching end of 4-year life span (2016) and having to ask the NRC for a 20-year extension to run a plant that is in terrible shape.
But I would expect nothing less from a state that allowed a multi-millionaire to buy the governor's seat. Rick Scott is a misanthropic throwback to another era and the people of Florida are screwed with him at the helm.
But then we are no better in Texas with our own little 21st century version of Franklin Roosevelt (in term length only). Yes, our little Lord Fauntleroy learned very quickly how to display an innate timing for financial acuumen in office in more ways than just a public pension. Backroom friends and sweetheart land investments. He'll never reach watch pocket money standards of Rick Scott, but will come out of politics (eventually we can only hope) a very wealthy individual.
He aids and abets sidekick billionaire Harold Simmons pump in nuclear waste now endangering the Ogallala Aquifer.
Great article about our governor in the Ft. Worth paper:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/29/2379942/texas-gov-perry-became-a-millionaire.html
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