Published: June 4th, 2011 at 8:47 am ET
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Transcript for Exclusive Arnie Gundersen Interview: The Dangers of Fukushima Are Worse and Longer-lived Than We Think, Chris Martenson, June 3, 2011:
Arnie Gundersen, nuclear consultant
[...] It’s also possible in any of the fuel pools, one, two, three, and four pools, that you could get a criticality, as well. So there’s been frequent enough high iodine indications to lead me to believe that either one of the four fuel pools or the Unit 3 reactor is in fact, every once in a while starting itself up and then it gets to a point where it gets so hot that it shuts itself down and it kind of cycles. It kind of breathes, if you will. [...]I think it’s a relatively significant amount – maybe a tenth of the nuclear reactor core starts back up and shuts back down and starts back up and shuts back down. And that’s an extra heat load; you are not prepared to get rid of one tenth of a nuclear reactor’s heat by pumping water in the top [...]
Listen to the audio interview here.
Published: June 4th, 2011 at 8:47 am ET
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Apocalypse!
Open air nuclear reactors! Consequences of uranium mines are similar and together with fossil fired plants makes for synergistic brew propbably going back to the soup at the begin. What research opportunities(sic)
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Why is there no big media coverage of this extraordinary situation, like there was for Chernobyl?
What on earth do CNN, Sky, Fox, BBC, SBS TV, News Nine, etc, think they are meant to be doing??
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Hi from London…..my thoughts exactly. A complete black-out.
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What are your personal feelings about the media blackout, being as you’re from London, the spiritual home of the BBC?
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It’s what led me to this site. I’ve tried talking to friends, colleagues who all seem to think I’m barmy. I’ve given up trying to talk about it…..most people have forgotten that it ever happened, they say that it’s a long way away or they believe the people involved know what they’re doing and, finally, that most people have got their own lives to think about. They also all believe that if it WAS something to worry about that it would be all over the news. When I asked for the opinion of the lawyer I work for she said that she is more concerned about the deaths involved with diamond mining. Every reply just cuts me dead and ends the conversation before it even starts. She also said that people aren’t interested in “old” news and that they have to keep selling newspapers. When I couldn’t find any news about Japan I thought it might be because it was bad but how the global media can be totally shut down is beyond me and I can’t get my head round it at all. Maybe the sort of people that are interested in this site are a bit more curious and imaginative or something. It’s definitely something that’s always on my mind but I’m obviously in the minority. It bears repeating……the only people I can discuss it with are all on this site! It’s all so crazy that I’ve, at least once, wondered if it ever happened at all and I’m in some parallel universe it’s all so crazy. I’m totally fed up with the BBC and I’ve more or less given up on the crazy 24hr news…I pay my licence fee and for what? Certainly no investigative journalism. I understand that news has to be “new” but surely something on the scale of Japan should be reported on from time to time? Instead I have to watch what they want me to watch on a continual loop about stuff that compared to Japan doesn’t really matter and what’s the point when sites like this exist?
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“Why is there no big media coverage of this extraordinary situation, like there was for Chernobyl?”
This ain’t the cold war where people have a political ax to grind.
Plus the nuclear industry OWNS the media and heavily lobbies governments to keep everything hush hush
CBS = Westinghouse
NBC = GE
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The “media” in 1986 had a bit more integrity guaranteed by a greater diversity of ownership. There were more than, in the English language in the West (UK/US) more than 50 different corporations that owned all English language media in 1986. Today there are only 4 or 5 multinational corporations operating with far less regulatory structure. Over the past 25 years, not coincidentally, the tendency of editors and programming directors for any English language media has been to say less and to avoid offending the corporate owners of all media, which results in being told a smaller and smaller, less significant proportion of the overall, big-picture truths about any disaster or story that might cast any of the subsidiary corporations of the media ownership corporations in a questionable light. All the corporations that own the entire world English language media are deeply enmeshed (such as GE) with the nuclear power industry, with nuclear weapons and military contracts of the western nations. There will be, logically, less and less accurate reportage and information, for other reasons besides media consolidation, online will also reveal less and less about reality without extraordinary effort of individuals with high integrity as seen in this blog site and perhaps a few others.
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CNN = Obama
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I have wondered about this also. Either it is as bad as everyone here thinks and to tell people in a forcefull enough way to make the general public aware of the gravity of this situation would lead to a huge world wide panic, or it is being overplayed in forums like this. I think the powers that be have grown too accustomed to having their heads attached to their bodies to make people hear the worst.
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This is evil alchemy at its worst! I have quit buying the bumbling fool facade the industry puts out. All of this is on purpose!
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You have that exactly right. Another example of the disinformation meme of “bungling fools working independent of each other” that can be easily analyzed as untrue is in the reportage following the 911 false flag operation by the United States to justify regressions in policy of the past 10 years, such as the jingoistically entitled “Patriot Act”, the “Anti Violent Domestic Terrorism Act” and quite a number of other policy actions and regressive legislative acts passed that have greatly reduced basic human rights, on paper, in the U.S., and especially in our, the U.S., international foreign policies. These policy trends since the false flag of 911 have made information gathering and transparency about government, quite a bit more difficult to analyze but not impossible, as it is quite valid to induce or deduce the policies of states by historic axioms of power, such as divide and conquer, and covert methods are meant to confuse and distract, disinformation, misinform, or to reinforce straw-man concepts about big-picture geopolitical realities which have nothing to do with axioms of despotic power games.
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why number 3…?
Wouldn’t 1 and 4 be the more likely culprits, hence the sfp 4 steaming away and / or; the potential china syndrome in reactor 1?
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Gosh, you are still around! Get some sleeeeep
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I like your informed alertness.Awakening genes that have been silent for eons…
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#3 Because the fuel has not completely melted.
Mr. Gunderson said that the completely melted fuel could not cycle, but #3 could as the fuel rods are still somewhat intact …
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I caught that, as well. I think the nuclear expert mispoke or, perhaps, was unaware for whatever reasons that there is no spent fuel left in reactor 3 at Fukushima, since it exploded early on. High-res imagery of the Reactor #3 pool shows there is no spent fuel remaining in that pool.
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We have discussed intermittant re-criticalities here..many many times..
ohh…but now Uncle Arnie says so….
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Uncle Arnie is saying so since like a month ago.
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my point exactly… actually earlier last week I told everyone that the presence of iodine is a direct indication that either one, of two things are happening.
A. A state on inconstant criticality…
B. A china syndrome…
Glad arnie could explain that to you all… As when I said it no one seemed to get it…
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ok im turning in my tin foil hat…
Night all
EMMY
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lol nn
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Arnie discussed these possibilities, and more, a long time before you came on the scene. Arnie also has the qualifications and experience, so that when he talks, it’s considerably more believable than hearing it from an anonymous Event Planner on an Internet discussion forum. So, this might help you to understand why “when I said it no one seemed to get it”. Please, don’t try to compare yourself to Arnie.
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As on all blogs…a person has no idea the level of expertice one is speaking to…!
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Initially, yes. Until they start talking.
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Stop being a chump.
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That comment was to Domo.
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Please elaborate.
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It’ frrustrating trying to reach and engage individuals here in dialogue without a forum, so at the risk of repeating myself:
I think that I can shed some light on the on-again, off-again nature of thecriticality.
A similar phenomenon plagued early test reactors in the 1940s, called “poisoning” of the reactor…
The splitting of uranium or plutonium in a chain reaction leads to the production of iodine 135, with a half-life of about 9 hours.
The iodine then breaks down into Xenon 135.
Xenon 135 is a potent neutron absorber, even better than cadmium.
The Xenon 135 absorbs neutrons and (temporarily) halts the chain reaction, until it’s exhausted and then the cycle begins again.
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That IS interesting, and perhaps would make sense of some things.
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Arnie is a known quantaty. People on this board are not. Some of us give more gravitas to people like Arnie because he is putting it all out in the open for all of us to see and listen to. Your disrespect for Mr. Gunderson translates into an ignoring of your own comments by many of us. When shooting yourself in the foot it is important to take carefull aim…..
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Oh I think that’s slightly unfair. I’m in London and have followed this site with great interest. I haven’t got a clue who Tacomo is but I admire the spirit shown and the commitment shown to expressing an opinion. Mr. Gundersen is obviously an expert. I’d be surprised if Tacomo was comparing himself/herself to Arnie….after all what’s the point at this stage? I have to say that, so far, neither have been completely wrong so I’ll continue to read both of them. I’d also like to take this opportunity of thanking all concerned for the existence of this site.
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Actually ..my analysis..isn’t based on anything the two say…just sayin.
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I’m more interested in the complete MSM news black-out. What on earth is going on?
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My humble opinion:
1. Money. Billions, trillions invested in nuclear energy.
2. Money. We owe Japan a trillion dollars. If they ask for it now, we don’t have it to pay. The U.S. is already 14 trillion in debt.
3. Money. MSM is owned by companies who’ve promoted and made big money off nuclear power.
4. Greed. Nuclear power is a cash cow.
5. Old thinking. Nuclear power is an old outdated energy promoted by an old stubborn mindset.
Time to teach these old nuclear dogs some new green energy tricks.
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Ohhhh…so that might explain the spikes in Iodine-131 on the CTBTO graph:
http://www.bfs.de/de/ion/imis/ctbto_aktivitaetskonzentrationen_jod.gif
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iodine-131 is ONLY made by fission. Where ther is iodine-131, there either is or was a fission reaction going on. Period.
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hi Rosie.
if you’re meaning why the MSM blackout? or do you mean the rest of what’s going on?
if it’s the former, seems it ties directly to just who owns the MSM. who ‘pays the bills’ so to speak. GE is the designer of many nuc plants and a great deal more than kitchen appliances. dad worked for them in the 50′s & 60′s, GE has always courted and won guvt contracts. and that’s not for blenders i can assure you. so when you watch the commercials, ask yourself who would loose most if the ‘truth of things’ actually were openly admitted on MSM, they would not kill the milk cow. and their admissions are not much.
and the above is only ONE angle. there’s a number more than only that.
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No one going to cite the temperature chart for units 1 + 3?
Unit 1
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/images/11060406_temp_data_1u-e.pdf
Unit 3
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/images/11060406_temp_data_3u-e.pdf
Of course, 1 may have escaped, hence the quietness on the temperature front, but it may have just calmed down.
For sure 3 is a LOT more active.
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I guess the iodines have been flowin last 40 years quite freely… heres a edited Daichii filthy air = SMOKE STACK system.
Why do they have smoke stacks!? Do they secretly burn cola or oil? …nope. But your radiation secret is real dirty: 50 known types of radiationa – and only 4 are measured.
See what you are – and have been breathing – for last 40 fukushimahappy years
http://preparator.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/fukushima-pii-put-2s1.jpg
home page
http://wp.me/pwIAV-19
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LOL. cola or oil? Krhm. COAL -or- OIL.
http://preparator.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/fukushima-pii-put-2s1.jpg
home page
http://wp.me/pwIAV-19
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You just can’t blackout a meltdown, but you can ignore it.
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You can also manage mass perception if you’re crafty enough.
Just tell ‘em they got a mild dose – like a CT scan or an X-Ray, and everything will be fine.
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Managing the sheeple’s perception: “These aren’t the droids that you are looking for.”
Unfortunately, not at all very difficult these days.
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Please read this article from March 26, from an Oxford Expert. Telling people to “stop running away from radiation”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12860842
I found his email address through a web search, here it is. I suggest that as many people as possible email him and ask him if he still feels the same way.
wade.allison@keble.ox.ac.uk
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AN IDEA, here:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/tmi/tmi09.htm
Why can’t Japan utilize some kind of modified, automated >SONIC DEVICE< to measure and map the exact location of the corium in or under the reactor??
They did this very successfully back in 1983 for the Three Mile Island meltdown. Isn't that the big question at stake for each reactor at the Daiichi plant?…
Where is the corium now?!….
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Too True, I guess they know exactly where the corium is. They just don’t wanna tell (yet).
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U.S. Government Takes Down HAARP Website
http://gramercyimages.com/blog1/2011/04/21/u-s-government-takes-down-haarp-website/
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Do you think they have restored this cooling system?
Hovering Drones Capture Video of Fukushima Destruction
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/04/hovering-drones-capture-video-of-fukushima-destruction/
The first video, taken April 15.
I think the cooling pipes are dangling broken.
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Restored? Double decker beach-bombs were built for this show that has just started. Theatre will be shown until goals are met. Players safe.
Official EU-Parliament HAARP Document:
http://wp.me/pwIAV-19
Note the war hoax against ‘others’ … fulfills the very same j€§uit -goal as ongoing fukushima op. Global pappal hegemony with stated Club of R0me steps to get there.
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This article is written by the author of The Globalization of Poverty, Michel Chossudovsky – Professor of Economics
H.A.A.R.P.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/haarp.html
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no, they haven’t restored this cooloing system.
they really haven’t done much at all there so far, and they are NEVER going to restore that cooling system.
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Bombs planned on the beach: ’5000t Plutonium’ high on top of shaky reactor buildings (with water). On shakiest beach on earth. With planned ‘backup’: generators in 10feet ditches to be filled with any storm…
The list is shining shrieking wailing and exploding – but the irradiated folks keep on smiling and trusting, show must go on.
The Plutonium – was detonated 4 times – at least.
reposted links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_83clarF6AY
Your radiation will continue; 6TeV – 6000000000 volt neutron guns to be built to help HAARP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rc37dRCI4w
Oh please cant you see how hard work it is to try to decimate 6 billion ppl? Please, help these gas-oven-selling saints like Wojtyla the fmr p0peye, current saint
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US Military H.A.A.R.P Facility In Exmouth,Western Australia That Is Even More Advanced Than The One In Alaska
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/11/01/26/us-military-haarp-facility-exmouthwestern-australia-even-more-advanced-one-alaska
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It has been there for years.
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Weather mitigation is in law… here in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
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Two videos I made today about Fukushima:
Nuclear Victims:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAl1mdAa4bQ
Nuclear Deception:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNZnaEJo_kc
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The truth is appreciated. Thank you for what you do. Please continue delivering the truth. The facts speaks for themselves. The Japanese very likely killed many and/or sentenced many to a slow, horrible death by their lies. As they condemned their own people to death, so to should they be condemned to hell for what they have done. They are no different than Hitler or Chairman Mao, IMO.
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SteveMT: “The truth is appreciated….they be condemned to hell for what they have done. They are no different than Hitler or Chairman Mao, IMO.”
They will fully eat their salad.
BUT. The “truth” is hidden in that MSM pro pagan lore: All these worms inside every gvmt, single mindedly after their publicly claimed goal – J€§uits. Their weapon – terror – explained in this never before seen illustration:
http://preparator.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/papal-terror-engl-s.jpg
http://wp.me/pwIAV-19
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Beta, Everybody Should Copy your Links.
Notice above, the US Gov. is Taking Down the HAARP website.
Folks, this is the Separation between advanced minds,
and simple peasant posters here.
If you don’t get the facts, you are uninformed.
Too bad we have ad hominem “put-down” specialists
typing in their ignorance.
Everybody needs to KNOW, Catholics are taught FALSEHOOD.
Yes, there are Sealed Christian Good folks attached, but it is
IN SPITE of the False Teachings, and the Mass of the Masses
are full of Throngs of Peasants, jamming the Piazza to See
the Great Poobah in the Funny Hat.
Thank You Beta Flare.
http://wp.me/pwIAV-19
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Fukushima spent fuel crisis: What exactly are the risks — and will Russia heed the lesson?
Part of: Nuclear meltdown in Japan
For over a week now, the world’s attention has been riveted to the distressed reactors at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, whose cooling systems were destroyed in the devastation brought by the March 11 dual natural disasters — but the on-site cooling ponds, where vast amounts of spent nuclear fuel (SNF) are in storage and which, just like the reactor cores, have been dangerously heating up, pose no less of a threat. What are the dangers? And why does the Russian nuclear industry pretend Russian on-site storage facilities are exempt from such terrible risks?
Andrei Ozharovsky, 22/03-2011 – Translated by Maria Kaminskaya
http://www.bellona.org/articles/articles_2011/fukushima-snf-pools
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