Hydrogeologist: I’m not kidding, we honestly don’t know what’s going on in cavern below giant sinkhole — “Nobody’s ever encountered anything like this in history of mankind” — World’s top experts don’t even have a good hypothesis — Wellhead pressure now up to almost 600 psi (VIDEO)

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Title: Public Briefing 7/16/13
Published by: assumptionla
July 17, 2013

At 5:00 in

Gary Hecox, CB&I hydrogeologist: This is going to not satisfy you, but we honestly don’t know.

We have talked to some of the leading experts in the world as too what could be causing this. We don’t know. Nobody’s ever encountered anything like this in the history of mankind.

I’m not kidding, what’s going on with that cavern where it’s going up several hundred feet and down several hundred feet, we don’t know if it’s some equipment issues or if there’s something going on in the cavern that we don’t understand. The pressure in the cavern continues to slowly increase. It’s up now to almost 600psi in the wellhead, that’s brine pressure not gas. […]

I don’t even have a good hypothesis to tell you. […]

The world experts have looked at this and we don’t know.

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66 comments to Hydrogeologist: I’m not kidding, we honestly don’t know what’s going on in cavern below giant sinkhole — “Nobody’s ever encountered anything like this in history of mankind” — World’s top experts don’t even have a good hypothesis — Wellhead pressure now up to almost 600 psi (VIDEO)

  • Let me remind you – a Haiti quake seemed like a win win, with Cuba & Jamaica next in line..
    It's a mini re-run of the New Madrid and ancient gas fields going boom in an ELE. It's Popocatlpetl & the main US oil fields.
    And the psi is likely to keep going up until it's uncontainable.


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  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    'Hydrogeologist: I’m not kidding, we honestly don’t know what’s going in cavern below giant sinkhole — “Nobody’s ever encountered anything like this in history of mankind” — World’s top experts don’t even have a good hypothesis'

    Matt Simmons did.


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    • We Not They Finally

      TIS, we need to be reminded of Matt Simmons A LOT. I will never forget the apprehension on his face when he came on network t.v. and said that BP had drilled a hole into the seabed that would gush forever, and that they just wouldn't admit it because "they would go to jail and lose their fortunes." (Ten days later he was dead.)

      I don't know if that is this, it's seems a little geologically removed. But that someone did something equally reckless and all for profit, wouldn't surprise me a bit.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    World experts..where?
    This isn't up before the best minds in the business.


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  • We Not They Finally

    I don't feel like Hecox is lying. But they've got to do a better job of spelling out worst case scenarios and be prepared for wider evacuations. If (God forbid) this may be leading up to a WIDE HUGE SUDDEN explosion, there have to be plans in motion to evacuate quickly and save lives. You know, like they have NO PLAN AT ALL on how to evacuate New York City if Indian Point goes down??


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    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      We – Since the GW Bush admin the Feds have been saying, "Don't look to us for help, you're on your own…". THEY (the Feds) don't need a plan. The people living there do. But, they gotta figure it out for themselves….


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    • AricSchmidt AricSchmidt

      I see that the majority of the comments, at least in this thread, are political opinions. That's fine. I just saw this comment above: " You know, like they have NO PLAN AT ALL on how to evacuate New York City if Indian Point goes down??" and wanted to separate fact from political opinion, in this case.

      Please look online and research whether or not your claim has validity before posting it in a thread discussing a potential Hazard/Threat/Incident.

      If you look at the NYC Office of Emergency Management website, you will clearly see that there several plans in place to best ensure public safety from All-Hazards. These plans include evacuations…complete w/ grids, zones, public alerts etc.


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Sure they do, Sounds good on paper doesn't it.

        Fukushima, Indian Point and Fantasy

        No operating American plant has ever been shut down because of the lack of an acceptable evacuation plan. But you don’t have to look far to find how critical the issue can be: The Shoreham nuclear plant on Long Island was completed and then shut down without producing any commercial electric power after representatives of Mario M. Cuomo, then the governor of New York, declined to certify its evacuation plan. Last week, another Governor Cuomo called Indian Point too big a risk to remain open.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/nyregion/21towns.html?_r=0


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    • We Not They Finally

      P.S. I've since reviewed all the posts and maybe Hecox IS lying. I have no way to know, of course, but there is SO MUCH MISSING from what the public is being told.


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      • Fall out man!

        Lets see, a giant underground cavern that has been used to store rad waste collapses, pouring forth its toxic contents, and now residents are told…. "ah… er… well…. you see, its a mystery, that's what it is, no one could have foreseen such an event…. ummm…. its just a mystery, and all the experts say so, so just don't worry your pretty little heads about it. You just leave this mystery to us and we'll get back to you on it… sometime in the future."


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    • Fall out man!

      Enenews has covered the problem of evacuation plans that sound great on paper, but that are obviously inadequate before. Arnold Gunderson has a very thought provoking video on the subject. There are currently rules with regard to how quickly people must be able to be evacuated. As it turns out, Fukushima has shown the current standards are laughable. While there is an evacuation plan, its too little too late, and would simply mean millions have their health destroyed in a Fukushima type event in the USA…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4hG0bdM5ek
      Arnold (from memory when I last saw this) points out that the plants simply cannot be near dense population centres if evacuation plans are to be adequate. Logistically, you just cannot get enough people out fast enough to prevent a meltdown turning into very serious mass contamination.


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  • We Not They Finally

    Does "world's top experts" include people who have NO ECONOMIC INTEREST WHATSOEVER in the oil industry? People should be given the resumes of all the "experts" to see whether or not they can do an unbiased assessment. So there can be precautionary measures for anything that MIGHT happen, not just for what they hope WILL NOT happen.


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  • irhologram

    Considering that clay has a psi tolerance of 15psi, I'd suggest this 600psi pressure is going to bust out soon, wherever it can. Plenty 'o opportunity there with bubbling for dozens, maybe hundreds, of square miles.

    Saying that pressure is from "brine, not gas" was pretty interesting, don't you think? That would mean that its pure volume of materials amassing from below the brine cavity that's causing the crunch, not just escaping gases looking for a way out. Because I'm sure they're not implying that brine is exhibiting never before seen characteristics of expansion. How many ways do they have to tell us, without telling us, does it take to know we've been told?


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    • We Not They Finally

      That's a REALLY good point, irh. It's a little like saying "the gun did it" while disregarding the person with the rage and the muscle strength and the aim BEHIND the gun. Oh, wait a minute, that IS what they say, isn't it??

      We didn't know about clay and 15 psi either. We're not scientists and had to look up "psi" which apparently means pounds per square inch. So 600 pounds per square inch is A LOT of pressure! And wasn't the brine just sitting there before pressure was BROUGHT TO BEAR upon it?

      You're right. They have given a crap "explanation."


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  • yeah, it's only just boring old brine… carbonated, shaken & stirred.


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  • dosdos dosdos

    The deeper you go in the earth's crust, the greater the pressure. As pressure increases, you get into state changes, and things don't work like they do on the surface at 1 atmosphere (sea level). Gases on the surface become liquids and other states. Liquids that don't compress on the surface will compress at thousands of feet down.


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    • We Not They Finally

      That is a REALLY good point, dosdos. Does that also mean that they can at least estimate from how far down the pressure is coming because maybe 600 psi CAN'T be coming from just 500 feet down? That might also be a huge clue as to what is happening and where it is heading.

      Would like to see a NOT bought-and-paid-for geologists at least give teach-ins to the people in that area.

      There is also a possible factor that if the pressure originates from VERY far down, that it is linked to a much wider scenario geographically. That could be very scary; but if so, then someone needs to tell those people the truth.

      Honestly, Hecox's comment about "nothing like this in the history of mankind," but that he has no idea what," is highly suspicious!! If you really have no idea WHAT, you would not be saying that, yes?


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      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        This representation..is not adequate.
        The geological conditions in the Karakum Desert..are solid enough to allow for a somewhat stable sided hole.

        The fire in the giant hole was manmade..after the collapse.
        If the Assumption parish sinkhole starts on fire..it will most likely due to explosion.
        There is no salt dome…no caverns under the giant hole in Karakum…no water involvement.

        If other salt domes in the area are not disturbed…an explosion will cause them to do so..
        One salt dome leading to failure in others.
        Looking at the amounts of methane available..and the area in which it is building up…and in consideration of the amounts of volatile materials stored in the caverns.. an explosion might make the giant hole in the Karakum Desert..look like the lit end of a cigarette.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    At the end of this video he says quote: Wish I had more answers for you. I told you when I first came down here eleven months ago, I was "going to Try to shoot straight".. "as I Could with you" and that's what "I am Trying to do".

    Is there something else he can't say?

    I think the professionals have some theory guesses and probably none of them are good.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Yes, BUT….."nothing like this in the history of mankind" implies a phenomenon that is huge and/or scary. So they at least need to make clear whether they are withholding for reasons of minimizing fear, or for crass ECONOMIC reasons.

      Oh, they've already twisted that one into a malignant ball of self-justification? Wouldn't be surprised…..


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  • Lion76 Lion76

    Here's a good layman's recap with visual aids. Pretty telling of what may be to come.

    http://youtu.be/3EDiIgYWoLo?t=2m45s


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  • razzz razzz

    Gary Hecox must work for TEPCO in his spare time because TEPCO doesn't know anything either except they just refuse to release their data to claim ignorance.

    "We don't know" means the entire salt dome could fail. They should be planning for the worst case scenario until they figure it out.

    Then they claim their 3D scans don't reveal what is going on just below the surface of the sink hole itself for a couple hundred feet. I find that hard to believe.

    Lasers are being used now in new technology to make scans just below the earths surface for accurate 3D models.

    Companies can drill deep ocean wells from floating rigs, drill sideways for oil and fracking thousand of feet down, find formations using satellites but in Louisiana can't figure out a sinkhole.

    Like TEPCO, there is something they are not telling us.


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  • ftlt

    The world is moving along with or without us… I just feel sorry for the plants and trees we are killing… The earth may help us out with that too…


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Whenever someone tells you, "honestly,…" they are usually hiding something.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    "In addition to the sinkhole, gas is being released from bubbling sites in area bayous and is thought to be gathered in an aquifer and even in shallower rock under the communities.

    Welsh’s order follows Boudreaux’s cease and desist order to Texas Brine earlier this week after residents complained about a plugged probe site leaking gas in front of homes on Sauce Piquante Lane.

    Boudreaux said he tested the hole and found leaking gas at a concentration that was approaching an explosive level."

    "Sonny Cranch, spokesman for Texas Brine, said 41 of the holes were drilled in the community and only one leaked.

    “Our ultimate goal is to remove the gas from the shallow aquifer and to know where it is,” Cranch said, “and this was the technology we were employing to identify the location of that gas.”

    Cranch says ONE leaked..
    How about the results of the other 40 'holes'?
    Remove the gas from the shallower aquifer? How so?

    July 19 2013

    Seismic activity reported in Assumption Parish sinkhole

    http://theadvocate.com/home/6554086-125/seismic-activity-reported-in-assumption


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  • Cisco Cisco

    Posted to Freedomrox's blog:

    FRDX…I/we miss you at EneNews. I visit your site often and I hoped you might have an update on the Bayou Corne sinkhole. What’s you take on this latest article?

    “Hydrogeologist: I’m not kidding, we honestly don’t know what’s going on in cavern below giant sinkhole — “Nobody’s ever encountered anything like this in history of mankind” — World’s top experts don’t even have a good hypothesis — Wellhead pressure now up to almost 600 psi (VIDEO)”
    http://enenews.com/hydrogeologist-honestly-dont-whats-going-below-giant-sinkhole-nobodys-encountered-anything-like-history-mankind-dont-good-hypothesis-head-pressure-almost-600-psi-video


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    FREEDOMROX is a good researcher..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    “Nobody’s ever encountered anything like this in history of mankind”

    This kind of levels the playing field doesn't it?
    They need to bring in minds from 'outside the box'.
    But then…those minds would say..FUBAR.


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  • ftlt

    Don't know if this has been posted ….Here is Gary Hecox, CB&I hydrogeologist, report to the LA govt hearing.. some nice visual stuff …

    Googled him and this came up… The rest was the online Examiner and the like…

    http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/Plans_Reports/Legislative.Hearing.2013.03.18.pdf


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  • musivick musivick

    It is just Nature doing its own 'fracking'…expect numberous leaks as the domes start leaking into the different strata…a big blow-up is just sensationalism


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Bayou Corne residents say beauty of the bayou tainted since sinkhole formed
    July 19 2013

    http://www.nbc33tv.com/news/your-stories/bayou-corne-residents-say

    Ruined.


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  • We Not They Finally

    I wonder if (since honestly, there is a choice of possible nefarious scenarios) they are withholding key info until they can force enough people to sell out their lands and homes at a low-ball price. Like don't miss out now, the next thing could be KABOOM!! And then where would you be? That would be a real economic incentive to a lot of people.


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  • irhologram

    RE: Kaboom, negotiation, and ELE. In watching this meeting, it seemed to me to be a "Catastrophe Dance" with now Not-to-be-silenced people kicking HARD, if not quite wildly (though desperation for their lives is clear in their voices) to get their Rope-a-dope boxer-style dance partner to perform, to TELL them whether to accept buy-outs now (none of which has been paid after a year) …now, while their homes still have some negotiation leverage for worth, rather than wait until the whole area explodes…and if they live…their property, destroyed by a natural disaster, would then be worthless and due no monies. It is TELLING IMO that they say the 60 relief wells CANNOT relieve the pressure, BUT that they are only still studying a solution…. The townspeople brought up filtering gas from water and also vacuum extraction. Both were admitted to be good options, but …it was also admitted that there are no current plans. If this isn't the entire cabal (Texas Brine and state and federal government) twiddling their thumbs knowing the area is about to go postal, but delaying until the area is declared a natural disaster, it sure looks like it. Townspeople will wait for cash for homes until Hell Freezes Over, IMO, and that area isn't going to "freeze up" anytime soon. Dancing with the Devil is not a good option…because if they sign up for buy-outs, they give up their rights to lawsuits (which take much more time…time they don't have for money to relocate.)


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    • dosdos dosdos

      Took over five minutes to unwind the fresh spool, and it still didn't touch bottom. Honestly, as much time as I've spent afloat, I would not be sitting in a boat on the sinkhole. That is just too freaky for me.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Se the water moving back and forth..
    They say water sifting through the rock layer..
    I think if that was true the motion wouldn't be so fluid and regular.
    I think there is some other type of contact with perhaps a deeper aquifer situation…probably involved in the burping process.

    Sinkhole 1 year mark approaching, officials report status
    July 19 2013

    http://www.wafb.com/story/22889429/sinkhole-1-year-mark-approaching-officials-report-status


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  • Jebus Jebus

    I hear Abe telling Tepco, "Look, it's their disaster and NO, they won't let us put the corium water in there…"


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  • pcjensen

    Former Mobil VP Warns of Fracking and Climate Change truth-out.org/news/item/17605-former-mobil-vp-warns-of-fracking-and-climate-change


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  • NEWSFLASH – US BOMBS TERRORIST FISH AND CORALS

    But seriously… Two US fighter jets have dropped four unarmed bombs in Australia's World Heritage-listed Great Barrier Reef marine park after a training exercise went wrong.

    The AV-8B Harrier jets took off from the aircraft carrier USS Bonhomme Richard and each released an inert bomb and an unarmed explosive bomb off the coast of Queensland, the US 7th Fleet said in a statement on Saturday. None of the bombs exploded as the BDU 45s are inert and the GBU 12s were unarmed when released.

    The training mission went gone wrong as the jets from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit were originally told to drop the bombs at the Townshend Island bombing range. That plan was aborted after the controllers said the area was not clear of hazards. The pilots then went ahead with an emergency jettison as they were not allowed to land with bombs on board and both were low on fuel, the navy said.

    The US Navy and Australian authorities are now investigating the incident. The US Navy is planning to recover the bombs that are lying about 100 kilometres offshore and about 16 nautical miles south of Bell Cay in the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park.

    The US say that the chance of the bombs exploding was extremely remote.

    Read more: http://rt.com/news/us-drops-bombs-australia-376/

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    http://ottersandsciencenews.blogspot.ca/


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  • repost
    busby has been moving to uncover more lies here

    http://nuclear-news.net/2013/07/21/uk-atomic-test-veterans-appeals-betrayal-update-from-chris-busby/

    And still more truth here

    TEPCO worker’s Mum, Mrs. Setsuko Kida, a candidate of Greens Japan Party reports radiation related deaths before and after the Daichi nuclear disaster

    *Daughter of her friend has been suffering from blood in urine and nose bleeding. Lots of report of deformed babies, no brain babies, One baby she saw had only one eye. It’s so painful to talk about them all. There is no report on premature death in the main media.

    *Her son told her that his co-worker heard an alarm before Tsunami came. That alarm meant that there was dangerous level of ionizing radiation that leaked from the pipes after they got damaged by the big earthquakes.

    http://nuclear-news.net/2013/07/21/tepco-workers-mum-mrs-setsuko-kida-a-candidate-of-greens-japan-party-reports-radiation-related-deaths-before-and-after-the-daichi-nuclear-disaster/

    heres the lies/manipulations of data

    Radioactive cesium in human placenta – New released study after Fukushima nuclear accident

    http://nuclear-news.net/2013/07/21/radioactive-cesium-in-human-placenta-new-released-study-after-fukushima-nuclear-accident/


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  • Cisco Cisco

    Oops…the post I referred to as a new report was actually posted on November 26, 2012. I erred in its date due to an email from FDRX to me today. However, if you haven't read it, I recommend it highly. I had not. Sorry for any confusion.


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