IAEA closed door session: Group was unable to obtain necessary information from Japan about Fukushima — Led to difficulties projecting how radioactive materials would spread around world

Published: June 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm ET
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IAEA criticizes Japan’s nuclear data sharing. NHK, June 22. 2011:

Participants at a closed door session of the International Atomic Energy Agency have agreed to set up an international mechanism to share information in the event of nuclear emergencies. [...]

A Japanese official quoted an expert from the World Meteorological Organization as saying the group was unable to obtain necessary information from Japan. He said this led to difficulties in projecting how radioactive materials would spread around the world. [...]

Published: June 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm ET
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122 comments to IAEA closed door session: Group was unable to obtain necessary information from Japan about Fukushima — Led to difficulties projecting how radioactive materials would spread around world

  • pass the buck.

    iaea is the most untrustworthy source on the entire list of nuclear supporters.

    We should hang them all for crimes against humanity, terrorism, and mass accessory to murder…

    In fact why aren’t they all in jail RIGHT NOW?

    I am pretty sure the cop killer in WA. was shot to death by the police, as well as the accomplices all receiving time for contributing to the matter…
    Why hasn’t the corresponding governments of the IAEA board members, done a massive raid on the IAEA executives?

    I want to see them all held accountable for their crimes, which are unforgivable for lack of better terms…


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  • Cindy

    The Japanese Government , and TEPCO, still seemingly are holding back information…

    How bad is this thing going to get ?

    I am seriously concerned on the use of the crane at the Fukushima site. It is strange that the Jnn/Tbs cam picked it up and the TEPCO cam did not … What were they doing ?

    Scary stuff…

    I agree IAEA isn’t being honest either …


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    • blackmoon

      @Cindy

      radioactive.eu.com posted in another thread that he believes that TEPCO is using the cranes to dump fuel rods in the Ocean, and that the TEPCO cam is rigged to not show this activity. He has many vids on his site.

      Here is his post:

      “radioactive.eu.com
      June 22, 2011 at 6:04 pm · Reply Report comment Report comment

      i believe Tepco doesnt give a damn about the Fukushima or the people there and cares only about stock price. Also i believe they might be dumping spent fuel rods into the sea to cool them.

      http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=223:is-tepco-dumping-fuel-rods-in-the-sea&catid=38:fp-rokstories&Itemid=212


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      • This is the letter I sent arnie gunderson and alexander higgins on april 15th @ 1205pm…
        Attn: Arnie Gundersen, Chief Engineer contact@fairewinds.comThere were spent nuclear fuel rods located between reactors 3 and 4. (mainly thought to be from reactor 3).

        HOWEVER WITH THIS IN MIND the nuclear spent fuel rods were bulldozed
        (as reported by nisa).

        http://uvdiv.blogspot.com/2011/04/us-industry-source-spent-fuel-fragments.html

        http://i.min.us/imOPYq.pdf

        (RC says it was between Units 3 and 4)…

        The fire on the april 7th, to-date, has no images posted, meanwhile the fire on the 12th was located near reactor 4… (On the shore line)…
        http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/

        Fire-and-smoke-in-a-building-near-Reactor-No.-4-at-Fukushima-on-April-12.jpg

        Could tepco have bulldozed the spent nuclear fuel rods into the ocean?

        They did not report containing them in any way… These also were potentially mox fuel rods…

        There is no way workers could work near these dangers. They had to be contained right???

        Could this explain:
        A: the cause for the fire near the ocean front in reactor 4 (that was ignited twice).
        B: the rising of Oceanic Radiation Levels.
        C: Why tepco reported using a bulldozer (which pushes) instead of a steam roller that crushes.
        D: The reported Neutron Beams
        E: High amounts of Radiation leaks
        F: The release of strontium and plutonium
        G:why the ocean is tremendously releasing radiation.

        You cant just bulldoze them and call it a day. You have to contain them…
        I strongly feel this is How tepco contained these fuel Rods.

        This is my theory / thoughts on a crime against humanity I am releasing it to fairewinds, in hopes your able to make some conclusion from it.
        Thanks and Cheers
        Emmy;)


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        • I hope it helps radioactive eu more than it did fair winds. Please forward it to him If you can…


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        • charlie3

          tacoma, you suggest a terrifying possibility. I so do hope that you are wrong on this one.


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        • NoNukes NoNukes

          Tacoma -This makes so much sense. Why wouldn’t they throw it in the ocean?


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        • As always your post is very post and I am sure that you are right on again. Seeing how all of this disaster has completely gone out of control, the dumping of the spent fuel rods into the ocean may be the only way to even have a hope to stop it all. I think they have come to a huge brick wall on it all and the choices have come down to

          a. pollute the ocean
          b. pollute the air
          c. pollute the ocean AND the air (which is obviously happening now)

          I hate to say it, and I hope that I am wrong but bulldozing the rods into the ocean may now be the very last resort solution of some kind. God help us all.


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        • As always your post is very good and I am sure that you are right on again. Seeing how all of this disaster has now completely gone way out of control, the dumping of the spent fuel rods into the ocean may be the only way to even have a hope to stop it all. I think they have come to a huge brick wall on it all and the choices have come down to the following:

          a. pollute the ocean
          b. pollute the air
          c. pollute the ocean AND the air (which is obviously happening now)

          I hate to say it, and I hope that I am wrong but bulldozing the rods into the ocean may now be the very last resort solution. If it succeeds in stopping the ongoing criticalities and the release of radiation into the air, then they may be able to build a sarcophagus and cover it all.

          However, if the above does not work, I hate to say this, and I hate to even think about it and, of course, I hope that am wrong, but the final choices for a solution may come to down to these two:

          a. keep radiation release going and DESTROY THE WORLD

          b. destroy Fukushima through underground dynamite or underground bunker buster/thermobaric weapons technology.

          God help us all.


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          • HardLeft

            No, I disagree. I think this is one of the most demented ideas that has ever been floated on this site.

            Of all the weird, freaky stuff we’ve seen on the cams, there is nothing in these vids that suggests TEPCO is dumping fuel rods into the ocean.

            How would they even do that? How could they get the end of the crane to connect with the fuel assemblies in the SFP, and haul it out through all that debris? Is there any unobstructed view into any of the SFPs from over the roof?! I don’t think so! I mean, they were able to drop a camera on a cable into SFP #3 and SFP #4, but based on that video, I can’t imagine how this would even be physically possible.

            Why would it be desirable, either? What problem would this solve for TEPCO? Why would they introduce more unknown nuclear physics into this situation when what we’ve got is already so catastrophic and so unexpected, and so many weird substances are turning up in unexpected places? As stupid as they are, why would they do something crazy like that when their pattern and practice so far is to do NOTHING– or less, not more? Isn’t it more likely that the crane is part of the cooling system– which isn’t working right?

            Sorry if I sound a little pissed. Maybe there’s something I’m not seeing.


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          • DrNature

            Destroy the oceans and you destroy at least 50% of our planetary oxygen thus effectually destroying our planet.
            Ocean Facts:
            http://greenteamusa.com/gthink/index.php/site/single/ocean_health_issues_and_answers/

            the North Atlantic Drift is dying:
            http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2010/08/special-post-life-on-this-earth-just.html

            The ocean as US Munitions, weapons and chemical dump:
            http://scienceblogs.com/deepseanews/2007/06/munitions_dumping_at_sea.php

            Europe dumping Nuclear and Chemical waste in the Ocean:
            http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/somalia-the-mafia-the-nuclear-waste-dump-zone/


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          • Hard left.

            I am only stating that in an earlier report (that is linked above by the iaea / nrc) tepco had confirmed findings of Partial fuel rod fragments? I only assume that what they found they dumped. This situation occurred during the early weeks into the crisis… april 1 – 10th.

            I assume that they wouldn’t be able to contain the fuel rods by simply bulldozing them. So it was my impression that they had to contain them… There is virtually no sign of new concrete being poured anywhere on site. So this led me to believe that tepco likely used robotic machinery to move the rods to the oceanfront.

            As there was no container: i.e. drycast, ect… known to man that would have been able to contain the fuel rod fragment They are simply too dangerous to approach too hot to touch and to deadly to leave laying around…

            It was the best plausible situation I could construct in my mind given the situation as it lay…

            Any other ideas as to what they would have done?

            Mind you all this is also the same week oceanic readings were denied from tepco, by greenpeace’s ship, while reports from tepco went from a 7000kgbeq to a 7 mil kg beq, rad reading…


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          • HardLeft

            Yes, Tacoma, some rods– or some fragments of rods, or other highly radioactive ejecta– was bulldozed, or at least I have some vague memory of that.

            Could they have bulldozed some of that crap that was on the ground into the ocean? Oh, I could believe that, for sure.

            And I am as worried as you about finding the source of the high rad readings in the ocean. I think at least one of the RPVs or toruses is leaking water into the ocean, and that is… er, very troubling.

            Anyway, sorry, thanks for your patience… didn’t mean to be too disparaging, there could be something I missed…

            –HL


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          • No worries, thats why were all here
            ;)


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        • For how long now we dont get any reports about the seawater radioactivity?

          And why?


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        • What did BP do with the Oil ?
          They buried it in the Ocean !
          No pollution fines and did it with FDA approval to do so !
          Will this be any different if they indeed dozed this waste into the bay ?
          Other then many will all starve of lack of seafood and the oceans WILL be ruined forever starting with the Pacific !


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      • Misitu

        My guess is that they are chucking the 1Sv/hr concrete lumps, and anything else, in the harbour.

        Nice landfill.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The IAEA ..said ..just a matter of weeks ago…TEPCO’s response was exemplary.
    IAEA meetings are opportunities for the parties involved to conspire.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/03/fukushima_iaea_preliminary_report/


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  • jwfuki

    Anybody know what the crane is doing at R1 right now?


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  • blackmoon

    I want to take the time to thank the Owner/Admin for providing this haven for our community.

    I have made a small contribution to this board but I know that it falls far short of compensating Him/Her for the tireless effort it takes to keep an enterprise like this going. Not to mention fending off the attacks from the powers that be.

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!


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  • tony wilson

    poor old tired honest iaea.

    i can just imagine the tv show..
    you know it was difficult during the early days they were tough.
    information was patchy a lot of confusion.
    here at the iaea we gave tepco a lot of time but the gauges and electronics they had developed many little faults.
    they got confused very easily.
    calculator conversions from meters to miles to liters had child like errors.
    so we had no way to figure out how bad.
    or what the world wide spread would be.
    we have now told tepco off and they have promised to do better in future.
    we will be releasing a new report called.
    emergency actions in the event of a triple meltdown extinction level event.
    vital actions that must be taken early on to stop information flow.
    shaping the news agenda.how much is enough.exactly how much should you pay in bribe shush money.
    how to quickly change the subject or what song to whistle, wh


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  • charlie3

    Then severely fine and indefinitely imprison those insiders who won’t provide the necessary info until they do provide it.


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  • a female faust a female faust

    tony — that was a poem actually, quite good.

    charlie — can’t fine and imprison if the law not on your side.

    tacomagroove: may i repost this comment on my blog? very interesting….

    i have such a headache right now, and it was still interesting.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Are Seattle-area babies dying because of Fukushima radiation?

    A recent report from Al Jazeera English presented troubling sets of data about life since the Fukushima meltdown in Japan earlier this year. One of the most shocking details: A combined 35 percent increase in infant-mortality rates in several Northwest cities, including Seattle.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/2011/06/22/are-seattle-area-babies-dying-because-of-fukushima-radiation/


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    • Fall out man!

      Officer Dave posted to Scientific American a debunking of the debunking of the baby death report. Officer Dave credits Joviation at Enenews.com for the debunking of the debunking.

      That Seattle PI article (and Sci American) claim that the Mangano report showing extra baby deaths in some Northern US cities post Fukushima is wrong. However the original reports have now been confirmed, and proven to be even worse than originally reported. Affected cities suffered a 47% higher rate of infant mortality in the 10 weeks after Fukushima.

      No doubt it is city specific due to differing rain fall patterns creating “hot zones”. That same effect was seen after Chernobyl.

      Officer Dave posted to the comments here in this “Scientific” American PR story….
      http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=are-babies-dying-in-the-pacific-nor-2011-06-21

      And here is the original source debunking of the debunking in Counterpunch…
      http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn06172011.html


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  • dark_horizon

    Biggest industrial disaster in human history, and it’s “closed doors”? I think everyone has a right to know what these dumbases have done!


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  • AustralianCannonball

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGnKN7NzYik

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X01om7oUtEs

    OK first video is amazing. Second video backs up the plume.


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  • neminis

    I call B*LLSHIT. They BACKED Japan’s reporting 100% at the time, yet now state that they couldn’t get decent info?! I call RETROACTIVE B*LLSHIT. Furthermore, Michio Kushi stated recently on CNN that he and pals had generated computer models based upon the early-on scanty but KNOWN data and that they KNEW there was much more to the story than was being stated at the time.

    NEVER FORGET IAEA’s primary purpose.


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  • Fall out man!

    Thanks Aussie Cannonball, in fact a number of those videos from Goddards Journal are fascinating. He appears to be the same guy who produced a superb photo journal of Chernobyl. Looks like he is puting together a documentary, and its hard hitting stuff.

    Goddards Journal also has this interesting debunking of an MSNBC story claiming Chernobyl was good for people…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7BlJIMxwKg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Wind carried radiation to Europe from Japan, researchers say
    22.06.2011 18:52

    Radioactive substances spewed from a damaged Japanese nuclear plant were carried to Europe through the United States by a jet stream, Japanese researchers said, Jiji news agency reported Wednesday.

    A Japanese research group led by Toshihiko Takemura, associate professor at Kyushu University, tracked the flow of leaked radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant through a computer simulation, dpa reported.

    Since the plant was crippled by the March 11 earthquake and resulting tsunami, it has leaked radiation into the environment.

    Since the density of radioactive substances reaching the United States and Europe was 100 million times less than that around the Fukushima plant, the effects are limited there, the researchers said.

    Radioactive substances rose to about 5 kilometres when a low pressure system passed over eastern Japan on March 14-15, the researchers said.

    The substances were blown eastward by a jet stream traveling at a speed of some 3,000 kilometres a day, arriving on the US West Coast on March 18, in Iceland on March 20, and many other European countries on March 22, the researchers said.

    They said radioactive substances were indeed detected in each of the places on the estimated arrival dates.

    http://en.trend.az/regions/world/europe/1895440.html


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  • VanneV anne

    I think it is VERY sad that spent fuel rods and other radioactive material is being dumped into the ocean. This is the CHEAP short term solution. This is not the solution that anyone with sanity could endorse. The ocean is facing extinction. Even as a vegan I rely on the ocean for necessary nutrients, minerals, and salt.

    Destroying the oceans will destroy all life on the planet.

    Burning radioactive waste in incinerators is also EXTREMELY sad. I count on having air to breathe. How can anyone think that sending more and more radiation into the air is a solution.

    Unfortunately, whether in Fukushima or the Gulf of Mexico, industry thinks that “looks” are more important than anything. If you can’t see it, there is no legal responsibility for the many deaths caused. Where is moral responsibility? Industry is EXTREMELY narcissistic and a moral.


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    • VanneV anne

      Correction: amoral.


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    • DrNature

      So true Anne,
      If I may add, for the Nuclear players this is not about a solution. No, far from it; This is about Multi-Billions of Dollars. This is about doing away with the evidence and avoiding Billions in losses. This is about media cover-ups and the purveyance of public ignorance.


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  • VanneV anne

    A chilling and frightening look into the future if these megalomaniacs have there way (Gates and Obama).

    Bill Gates’s Nuclear Miracle? John Gilleland Says TerraPower Needs Discipline, Not Divine Intervention
    http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2010/03/23/bill-gates%E2%80%99s-nuclear-miracle-john-gilleland-says-terrapower-needs-discipline-not-divine-intervention/

    A Window Into the Nuclear Future
    TerraPower—with the backing of Bill Gates—has a radical vision for the reactors of tomorrow
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146061231899264.html

    “A cheaper reactor design that can burn waste”
    “TerraPower is one of a host of inventors, reactor makers and electric utilities trying to kick-start innovation in a field that hasn’t seen a big technological advance in decades.”

    “President Barack Obama wants to help, too, designating $853 million for nuclear research, including small-scale reactors, in his proposed 2012 budget.”

    “their reactor could even be buried in the ground, where it could run for 100 years.”


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  • Novamind

    Sure they are going to put/push them the fuel rods into the ocean. Its about the money for they care not of you, or I, or their own, only Money.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      I might be the only one here, but I’m not convinced of the idea that they’re shoving the mess in the ocean (yet):
      1) to take the fuel (or what’s left of it) out, they’d need proper access via the roof. The “roof” is twisted steel structure, rubble, etc., which would need to be removed first.
      2) mum taught you not to shit in your own backyard. Why should they contaminate their own waters? It’s far more elegant to get rid of the radiation by venting everything while the wind takes it over the pacific.
      Just my thoughts.


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      • VanneV anne

        The debris all over the ground has been bulldozed. And the building housing the common spend fuel pool doesn’t have a ruined roof, not has reactor #2′s roof been destroyed.


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        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          Alright then, what about my point 2)?
          Am I far off?


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          • VanneV anne

            Greenspan supports his decision to support deregulation of the accounting procedures for businesses because, according to Greenspan, he didn’t think any business would hurt itself.

            For a debunking of that idea he have Enron, Madoff, the complete collapse of the mortgage and derivative sham.

            Obviously, get rich quick schemes override any common sense.


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          • VanneV anne

            Correction: “we” instead of “he”


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      • I feel that they had no choice but to contain the fuel rods they found outside containment…

        Now how they did that…
        there lies a mystery…

        You can feel free to read the report linked above. They did in fact find fuel rods on site… What they did with them, well like I said.
        There lies a mystery…


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  • Novamind

    This just in from Hell; The Japanese/TEPCO Fukushima Liars
    Have their own room dedicated to
    them in Hell. So few have been
    able to acomplish so much evil in
    such short time. Congradulations!


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  • ok, thanks. Translation doesnt matter ;) all i m trying to do is get the feed to all.


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  • SteveMT

    Kaku speaks the truth on CNN today: They lied to us. [Good interview.]

    Fukushima ‘still a ticking time bomb’ – Radiation noticeable in milk in NY – CNN – 22 JUNE 2011

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjbMcQTC-Og


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  • Interesting take on the possibility that the tepco live cam is fixed…
    http://www.youtube.com/user/nuckelchenblogde


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    • BetaFlare

      WHAT! You mean TEPCO Theater is fixed? Cant be…


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    • Does anyone else notice a line above reactor two suspended in the air? Its only a millimeter above the live feed. (I feel that the color is a light grey). It runs horizontal: left to right inches above the roof.

      To me it resembles something Like a “cut line” to place background objects outside a possible “still frame”?

      I want to believe this is a live feed…
      But I cant help but to smirk when reading that out loud…
      ;)
      Emmy.
      Hope I can get some feedback on that before or if it gets fixed…? I kept rewinding and fast forwarding the feed to see it. So once you load the feed go back and forth it really bugs me…


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      • http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html
        Also there is currently an aftershock / earthquake happening “right now” live on the feed.


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          • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

            Having been quaked as a youngin back in ’71
            Sylmar Cali, was always interested…
            the whole question of foreshock/aftershock
            makes me throw up both mah hands…
            make me wanna holler!
            -way they doin’ my life!
            apologies to Marvin Gay.
            Kumar’s writings are intriguing, dams full of,
            and surging forth with, not only huge masses
            but electrically potent wadda.
            wadin’ in da wad-da…
            God’s gonna trouble-
            da wad-da.
            being tugged upon by planetary
            electro-magnetic, gravimetric, etheric
            forces….the magmas and solid Ore bodies
            too, all responding with slight variation
            as their chemistries and crystallization
            matrix dictates certain sympathetic resonance.
            Whole lotta Shakin’ Goin’ ON.
            Is Elenin really Clark Dark, Private Eye? or
            Geraldine Jones, with her boyfren, Killa?


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  • 6 / 23 / 2011 17:23:00 – 17:23:50

    Aftershock?


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  • ocifferdave ocifferdave

    I wonder if the live feed is a distraction, or via a poor angle showing as little as possible that it’s “proof” that all is calm and peaceful and fine there. And when this camera doesn’t serve TEPCO’s best interest at heart then it goes off line, off angle, etc.


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  • default.user

    The International Atomic Energy Agency wants to increase the severity of the accident in the Fukushima nuclear power plant of International Nuclear Event Scale (INES) 7 to 8. One step that has been determined not even to this day. This means that the consequences of the disaster in Japan are even worse than Chernobyl.

    http://german.china.org.cn/international/2011-06/23/content_22845560.htm

    [google translater]


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    • Taking into account that this F1 is a serialised destructive event, level 8 is probably 40 Chernobyls in the sense that 7 is a Chernobyl unit of release(What is the totality synergistically of what was exactly released from C and still is being released into the biosphere? Lets begin with 40 C = 20 C from reactor cores and 20 C from SFPs’ radioactive releases. And synergistically worldwide taking into account into the future the acts of 440 nukes ageing and going into catastrophe…


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  • Posted a picture that shows the real size of the cranes. In response to the claims that the cranes are not nearly big enough to reach reactor buildings.
    http://radioactive.eu.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=223:is-tepco-dumping-fuel-rods-in-the-sea&catid=38:fp-rokstories&Itemid=212


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    • Radioactive.eu,
      I left a few posts this thread, that may help you with your site… As I have noticed a small reflectance / similarity in our work. Cheers;)
      Emmy


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    • BetaFlare

      Thks for everything: Of course theater needs thea-trics … the problem with facts are that ppl who dont want to see hear understand – will not believe any fact.

      Boring they say.


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    • VanneV anne

      radioactive.eu.com, Thanks for the website. There is crane at work going back and forth at least 3 times in 10 mins to reactor #1. Tape later seems to be altered because of blackouts.

      Earthquake, TEPCO, timelapse Jun3 23, 17:00-18:00, at 17:23, Between 17:00-17:10 see crane at #1 3 different times. Also there are 2 or 3 blackouts in this tape.
      http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live#p/u/0/ZrqdlQEajcE


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      • Anne, thanks for complimenting the website. Please notice that the crane on the feed you linked is much smaller and orange. The ones that are getting censored are red and white and much bigger.


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        • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

          How many websites do you run my friend? I searched the web to find if anybody else than you has independently made the same observations. So far, I found nothing, except this site
          http://crisisjones.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/is-the-official-tepco-live-webcamera-rigged/
          which is also under your name and shows the same videos with the “ice Age” desktop….
          I can’t follow the live feed as I’m in Germany. If ANYBODY here can tell me he / she has been following the two cams and also sees “phantom cranes” on the lifefeed, I’m very willing to change my mind and apologize. Until then….not.


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          • The original article was featured on alexander higgins blog on 18.6.

            Dunno about this crisis jones dude, but its surely not me, altough i did notice that he’s fast since he embeded my 1st video before i did :)

            I am trying to find a workaround to play the stream in germany. Suggestions (minus stream hijacking) are welcome.


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          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            “but its surely not me, altough i did notice that he’s fast since he embeded my 1st video before i did”

            Yeah. Right.


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    • BetaFlare

      The psy who is behind will do analyses always – after sound is muted. Arnie is best example… The psycho logis do the analyses, then attend theses crowds by the millions – real reason why everyone is afraid to say any thing. All US etc news readers, police, docs, poli-tics, edu -whatever- belong into one of these shady papal clubs, flashing the satanic sign to yall:

      I.U.O.M. – White Degree; Master Ancient Scottish Builders etcetc; oath:

      (I promise) That my breast shall be the sacred repository of his secrets when delivered to me as such, murder, treason, felony and all offenses contrary to the Law of God or the ordinances of the Realm,…
      All these several points and others I promise to observe without evasion, equivocation or mental reservation of any kind under no less a penalty, on the violation of them, than to have my body severed in two, my bowels torn therefrom and burnt to ashes in the centre, and those ashes scattered before the four cardinal points of Heaven, so that no trace or remembrance of me shall be left amongst men, more particularly among Master Mechanics: …
      Jubela: O, that my throat had been cut serves from ear to ear, my tongue torn out and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours …
      I solemnly promise on my word of honor that I will always obey the mandates of this Grand and Noble Order, and that I will forever keep secret the mysteries that shall be shown me tonight. I further promise that I will always treat the members of this order at my expense when reminded of this obligation, and have my bowels opened at regular intervals. I also promise to pay all bills contracted by members of this order. …

      Military Order of the Serpent, Ritual of the Degree of Khatapunan:

      …Never shall its mysteries pass my Ups
      Outside the holy circle.
      Never shall I refuse to receive thee or thy Virus
      When thou comest into our midst;
      And this vow, O Snake, swear I
      By the Sword, the Cord and the Flame.
      If ever in thought, word or deed
      I am false to Khatee Puna,
      May my death be lingering and wretched;
      May my soul be of the pale company
      Of horrid wraiths who haunt the mountain;
      And may my bowels be ripped out
      And cast into the flames of destruction. …

      @rebekkasister baguette: oh how dull is it to kill 90% of world’s pop.

      See whole annoying dull blog full of facts http://wp.me/pwIAV-19 (repost)


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  • More possible very very bad news…
    You all are going to hate me again…
    sigh…

    Ok…
    So pull up the live feed: 2011 / 06 / 23 17:51:48 – 18:20:00

    What do you see… what are you looking at.?

    I will give you a hint…

    Look at the “Clouds”…

    You are witnessing clouds forming above the reactors…
    But wait…
    Why are they forming? or better yet how do clouds form?
    well:

    There must be three main ingredients present in order for clouds to form: (http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Weather_p007.shtml)

    Moisture – There must be sufficient water vapor in the air to build a cloud.

    Cooling air – The air temperature must decrease enough for water vapor to condense.

    Condensation nuclei – Tiny particles, invisible to the human eye, such as dust, dirt, and pollutants, provide surfaces on which water molecules can gather and condense into water droplets.

    If the conditions are right, then a cloud will form. Clouds often form where two weather fronts meet, like when a cold front meets a warm front. The kind of clouds that form can say a lot about what type of weather is coming! The main kinds of clouds are stratus, cumulus, and cirrus clouds, and each one forms under different conditions.

    So its now in my “opinion” that heated water particulate is being lifted into the atmosphere (via the boiling spent fuel pools). This is essentially creating “stratus” clouds, that are constantly spilling radiation into the pacific ocean…

    Its even possibly that the clouds are carrying radiation even higher spreading the contaminated isotopes, even deeper into the jetstream. Making the radiation much more worse than it is at a global scale…

    How long this has been taking place is a real indication as to: what type of damage has been done, and how long its been happening;

    Tepco once again is telling the public that the releases are currently minimal.

    while creating clouds of that size?

    Well that seems to indicate quite a different story…

    The reason we are seeing clouds is due to thermal temperature carrying nuclear radiation via radiated fuel pools, up. and into the cloud cover. When the hot gasses meet the cold atmosphere they create clouds. The darkness is an indication that they are heavy in water and particulate.

    This indicates that there is a probably a large heated / vapor release (not steam release). which I will presume Means: Spent nuclear fuel is not being moderated by water (to create steam).

    So:
    Did reactor 4 already crash…

    One could only infer that there is a huge piece of information missing at this point…

    Questions in my mind:
    Which reactor is the heated vapor coming from?
    How long has this been taking place?
    Did reactor 4 run dry?

    My gut tells me:
    4
    since the latest large releases on June 23rd…
    indeed it likely did…
    Cheers;)
    Emmy.


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  • Elenin Velikovsky Elenin Velikovsky

    Huggies TG! and fuzzy wuzzy pubby doggies!


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Lady Gaga: “Japan is safe to visit”
    What a laugh.
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/23_27.html


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    Building 3 appears to have partially collapsed.


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    Homer Simpson strikes again:
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/

    They opened the wrong valve on the Kurion system, resulting in 1/20th efficiency.
    You’d think someone competent would be in charge now, but they probably had some poor temporary worker do the dirty job.
    D’oh!


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    And Alex Higgins reports (with sources) that Tepco is fighting construction of concrete barriers since it might affect their stock prices.
    What stock prices?
    Time to remove them, by force if necessary.


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  • hrealization

    I’m just wondering how much money she got for saying that ? I guess A LOT !


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  • byron byron

    R. Maddow on msnbc last night for last few minutes of show actually reported on Fukushima and showed the flooding of the plant near Omaha.
    Any news if number 4 has fallen?


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  • blackmoon

    Just noticed that some of ALEX’s video have re-appeared on YouTube!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBG2qlBCsY&NR=1


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  • blackmoon

    Another reason to support the ocean dumping theory (according to this article)is that:

    “In a TV Asahi program on June 16, Koide made the following comment:

    As far as I can tell from the announcements made by Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the nuclear fuel that has melted down inside reactors at the Fukushima nuclear plant has gone through the bottom of the containers, which are like pressure cookers, and is lying on the concrete foundations, sinking into the ground below. We have to install a barrier deep in the soil and build a subterranean dam as soon as possible to prevent groundwater contaminated with radioactive materials from leaking into the ocean.”

    “Sumio Mabuchi, an aide to Prime Minister Naoto Kan who is dealing with nuclear power plant issues, holds the same concerns as those expressed by Koide and has sought an announcement on construction of an underground dam, but TEPCO has resisted such a move.

    The reason is funding. It would cost about 100 billion yen to build such a dam, but there is no guarantee that the government would cover the amount. If an announcement were made and TEPCO were seen as incurring more liabilities, then its shares would fall once again, and the company might not be able to make it through its next general shareholders’ meeting.”

    TEPCO may feel that this is the ONLY way to save what’s left of their company. I would not put it past them.

    Here is a link to the complete article:

    “Preventing radiation contamination more important than TEPCO’s stock prices”

    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/perspectives/column/archive/news/2011/06/20110620p2a00m0na005000c.html
    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/perspectives/column/archive/news/2011/06/20110620p2a00m0na005000c.html


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  • i of course agree that the benefit of the people & the environment is the last thing on TEPCO’s minds. Therefore, while protecting the allmighty profit and shareholders, no options are of the table.


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  • And while at it… how long has it been seen we seen news about seawater contamination? The last thing i remember reading was when they announced 40+ smth cracks & leaks.


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  • Ministers agree to boost IAEA powers *video*
    Friday, June 24, 2011
    The ministerial meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency has concluded its 5-day talks, with Director General Yukiya Amano pledging to strengthen the nuclear watchdog.
    The meeting in Vienna was convened to discuss nuclear safety following the accident at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
    Wrapping up the meeting on Friday, Amano said the IAEA must do more to ensure the safety of nuclear power plants around the world…..
    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/24_36.html


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