IAEA ***NOT for distribution***: Molten core is suspected to have penetrated Fukushima containment vessel — Prime Minister on 3/11: We couldn’t be in Tokyo if melted fuel went through containment vessel (VIDEO)

Published: December 18th, 2013 at 11:54 am ET
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Source: Enformable
Published: Dec. 18, 2013

From: GREGORIC, Miroslav
Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2011 14:42
To: IEC3 – INCIDENT EMERGENCY CENTRE
Subject: Core melt at Fukushima Unit 1 from to 12 March 2011 JST
***NOT for distribution***
Importance: High

[…] Total Core-melt of Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 on 11 or 12 March 2011 […]

Basic assumptions based on known reported data from TEPCO and NISA […]

(SOURCE: Union of Concerned Scientists)

After loss of water injection on 11 March at 16:36 there was no water flow to reactor for almost 28 hours, up to 12 March at 20:20 when sea water injection was established via fire pumps to reactor. […]

[For more on the sea water injection, see: Tepco: We should have told public this sooner… we failed to cool molten fuel after meltdowns began — Water from fire pumps went down wrong pipes]

[The data] points to a conclusion that a substantial core melt in reactor unit 1 has happened starting in the night from 11 to 12 March and going on up to the start of injection of sea water on 12 March at 20:20.  It is possible that the vessel has melted through already before increase in PCV pressure on 12 March at 0:49 hours, 8 hr 13 minutes of no cooling, and molten core has penetrated the drywell [containment vessel] as no water was there. […]

Naoto Kan, Former Prime Minister of Japan, Dec. 12, 2013 (at 14:45 in): “If […] the melted fuel had gone through that concrete, that concrete bottom of the containment vessel, we would not be able to be sitting in this room [in Tokyo].”

Watch Kan’s speech here

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167 comments to IAEA ***NOT for distribution***: Molten core is suspected to have penetrated Fukushima containment vessel — Prime Minister on 3/11: We couldn’t be in Tokyo if melted fuel went through containment vessel (VIDEO)

  • We Not They Finally

    This is "news"? Drip, drip, drip….


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  • pkjn

    Over 1,600 victims of Fukushima I NPP reported
    17 December 2013 FOCUS Information Agency
    Tokyo. Number of victims of the nuclear disaster at Fukushima I NPP in Japan’s Fukushima Prefecture reached 1,605, a report of the Japanese authorities informs.
    The report states most of the victims died as illnesses progressed due to the high level of radiation, they underwent unsuccessful treatment or their quality of life worsened.
    A lof of the victims committed suicide.
    http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n321462


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    • jec jec

      Suicide. So TEPCO can say they didnt DIE of radiation. Wonder where the 1605 victims were when they got radiated, are they workers at the Fukushima plant as well. Chilling to read..'unsuccessful treatment or quality of life worsened..". Radiation poisoning is likely what they are dying from as both thyroid cancer, diabetes, heart disease/strokes, cancers, and blood diseases have been said NOT to be from Fukushima radiation (YET)! Since the Japanese authorities are now releasing these figures while at the same time saying the other diseases are not from Fukushima(not long enough time..) means the victims had very very obvious radiation sickness. And 'victims committed suicide'..wonder how many were medically assisted?? Death from radiation burns is terrible..burns all the way thru the body..


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      • We Not They Finally

        Note also that "reached" is in the past tense, when the mass health epidemics have barely even begun. By the way, how does "no one" has died of radiation, progress to "1,605" in what, one day? And the extra zeroes get added when?


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    • Multiply that times ten or much more… how about all of the babies and fetuses exposed to radioactive iodine cloud? NO way that they can all get away clean and healthy and happy..


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  • How many of you have left a comment for the NRC on used fuel handling? Deadline is Dec 20. Try it, its better than preaching to the choir.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/12/your-chance-to-officially-let-nrc-and.html


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    • FTPete

      Done :

      Your Comment Tracking Number: 1jx-89d5-33zf

      Thank you


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      • Excellent, I was hoping that 200 ENENEWS'ers would go and comment….well we have 4 so far, LOL

        Go and comment peoples! They expect 1900 comments….lets add 10% to that!


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        • flatsville

          >>>well we have 4 so far, LOL<<<

          Overwhelming, isn't it?…The true power of Enenews at work.

          (stock, if you're monitoring, please get back with us at COB/end of day and let us know what the count is. There will be many last minute comments coming in the next couple of days.)

          I commented long ago.

          And when they're done (those 4 people?) with the NRC, they can go here:

          Wind Production and Investment Tax Credits will expire December 31 without Congressional action.

          http://www.powerofwind.com/

          Click on Take Action

          Thanks much.


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          'Mornin, Stock. My comment was somewhat general, although I commented at length on the consequences of Fukushima and its implications for the U.S.

          Here's my comment. Anyone can borrow parts of it. Please use links to some of the articles and studies. That was something I was unable to do when I wrote the comments:

          To NRC regulators and U.S. Judiciaries:

          You are urged to locate, study, and approve a storage area for spent nuclear fuel in the U.S.. NRC FOIA documents, and numerous reports by international experts such as those at Woods Hole have shown the Fukushima accident had dire consequences.

          NRC documents released under FOIA dated March through May of 2011 clearly indicate the severity of the Fukushima Daichi disaster. This event was supposedly was mathematically impossible; it nonetheless occurred. It could occur in the U.S.

          The events taking place at Fukushima are horrifying; perhaps thousands of people are already dying from radiation-related illnesses. The incidence of cancers and diabetes have risen dramatically. These facts are well documented.

          Hundreds of U.S. Navy personnel from the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan are now sick and dying from radiation poisoning they got when exposed to the Fukushima reactor melt-down plumes during "Operation Tomadachi."

          Three nuclear reactor cores escaped containment, and are "MIA." They are contaminating the aquifer and an underground river running under the plant. Water flows directly into the Pacific Ocean ….


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Tepco has had to release highly radioactive water during typhoon events, and due to failure of its water storage tanks.

            Tepco and the IAEA recently asked for public "permission" to dump all the contaminated water into the Pacific. Itis unthinkable; unconscionable. "Dilution" is irrelevant; isotopes harm and kill when ingested or inhaled.

            The Pacific Ocean food chain could collapse, or entire species and fisheries be wiped out due to Pacifc Ocean radiation contamination. The plume of radioactive water emanating from the Kurushio current in Japan travels directly across the Pacific. Destination: the U.S. West Coast, and in particular, California. The plume is supposed to arrive in March, 2014. It will impact our coastline for at least 10-20 years.

            Fishery collapses (sardines, herring, salmon) in the Pacific, and massive die-offs of marine mammals from Alaska to Southern California, indicate something is terribly wrong in the Pacific biosphere. The immune systems of marine animals and plankton are likely being damaged by all the radiation coming from Fukushima; disease ensues.

            There is also a massive amount of tsunami debris drifting toward the U.S. West Coast from Japan. A lot of chemical toxins are contained in the water, in those debris flows. Imagine all the chemical plants and manufacturing facilities on the Japanese coastline, destroyed when the tsunami struck in March, 2011.


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              The Pacific is being hammered by multiple sources of intense contamination. The radioactive isotopes coming from the Fukushima Daichi plant are highly suspect in the die-offs of marine mammals, fishes, and crustaceans. The scope of problems in the Pacific biosphere are truly staggering, when one considers them in their entirety.

              We can ill afford to have such a disaster occur in the U.S., even if it were to occur inland, and away from our coastlines, or the Gulf area.

              Robert Alvarez, formerly of the DOE, has said the spent fuel from Reactor 4 at Fukushima alone, if its building were to fail and it fell to the ground, could "end civilization" as we know it.

              In the U.S. reactors have been granted extensions to operate far beyond their useful lives, and beyond design capacity. Our air and aquifers are being contaminated; billions of gallons of water containing dangerous tritium are allowed to enter waterways and our coastal areas.

              The U.S. has tens of thousands of tons of spent nuclear fuel sitting in waste storage ponds and spent fuel pools. This is a disaster in the making. It has the makings of an event of Biblical proportions. The potential consequences of the failure of one of these pools is unthinkable, and could destroy the Northern Hemisphere, if not the entire world.

              We truly should learned more, and applied the lessons from Fukushima Daichi. An international response to the crisis is desperately needed.


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              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Requests:

                1. Find a way to store low level and high level nuclear waste on a permanent basis (nearly impossible in principle, since humans only live for 70-80 years or so). Find a safe storage area ASAP. Build it. Use it.
                2. Move all spent nuclear fuel into dry cask storage post-haste, and get it out of the spent fuel pools.
                1. Do not allow reactors to operate beyond their design lifespans;
                2. Do not allow the use of dangerous MOX fuel;
                3. Do not allow fuel reprocessing. There is more than enough nuclear material already in existence to destroy all life on earth;
                4. Stop allowing shipment of spent fuel to the U.S. from other nations for reprocessing or disposal;
                5. Do not allow the disposal of fracking waste and radioactive waste in salt caverns, as this destabilizes the ground in surrounding areas (think Bayou Corne);
                6. Do not allow the storage of nuclear waste in Texas, which could impact the Oglalla Aquifer.

                Signed, former Yucca Mtn. Seismic Studies team member


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Wish I'd been more specific about WHAT could happen in the U.S. (like meltdown of BWR's for fires in the SFP's).

            Well, can clean that up on the next comment.


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Also need to provide footnotes/citations, any evidence pointing to melt outs of the reactor cores, and Tepco's admission they likely have escaped containment.


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              • HoTaters HoTaters

                'Guess it's pretty obvious I find all of this (collectively) to be very alarming. Think I'll "tone it down" for the next comment. Just think someone needs to try to get them out of their denial and to think about the "big picture" and the long term consequences of their collective actions (and inactions). As "TheBigPicture" is so fond of pointing out.

                Shut them all down. Now. Make the greatest effort to try to store the crapola safely. Do it post-haste.


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            • We Not They Finally

              Thank you for doing all that. And you say that you were involved in the Yucca Mountain studies?


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              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Yes, I was a grant administrator for the team. Really like a program administration position, but under the leadership of the team leader.

                The grant funding came mostly from the DOE. My job was to do all the admin work so the research team could focus on doing pure scientific work. I did a lot of liaison work between the University (grant dept., other internal depts.), our group, the DOE, and so on. Did a lot of budget work, helped prepare and submit technical reports, that kind of thing. (DOE mandated reporting.)

                I didn't do a lot of scientific work, but learned a lot about seismology "by osmosis." Helped the research team to edit and publish their papers.

                Unfortunately, I had to leave Nevada before the grant funding ended. It would have been great to have stayed until the end of the project. As I'm sure you're aware, the project was killed.

                I have great respect for my former boss and the team. They were people of integrity. I'm sure if their conclusion was there was sufficient seismic risk so as to make the project un-feasible, they would have said so.

                My past comments about the integrity of scientists and engineers, people working in Universities, comes in part from this experience. I was also blessed to have worked as an engineering intern for a state entity at one time. I have the utmost respect for most scientists and engineers, researchers. The ones I have known have been people of great integrity.


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                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  Why did I take the time to write that?

                  Well … one of my first cousins was the chief operating engineer at the Idaho Falls Lab. He ran the Sodium Reactor experiment. The reactor that blew up.

                  He went on to manage the experimental sodium breeder reactor experiment at Hanford. During the last part of his tenure there, he became the chief operating engineer.

                  Since I was young, I had always thought he left the AEC because he was critical of their practices. So the "legend" went.

                  I recently learned about what he really did in his work as a nuclear engineer. Imagine being me, studying the Fukushima situation, learning about nuclear energy, and then learning your first cousin used to run Hanford.

                  Now you guys all know why I am so passionate and feel I must do something constructive to help get the nuclear situation under control. I've known the truth about my cousin for about six months.

                  I didn't want to say anything for the longest time. It feels shameful to me. Imagine being told you're related to some high-ranking Nazi or Communist Party official. Well, that's how it feels.

                  My cousin and I are, I suppose, complete opposites as human beings, in some regards.

                  Honestly, I think if I ever were to see him again, I'd just stand there, bite my lip, and try not to speak. Either that or say something I might really regret. The sad part is my father knows the truth, and is completely in the dark about Hanford. Or pretends not to know. He's proud of my…


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                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    I was a lot younger than my cousin. The Idaho Falls reactor blew up around the time I was born.

                    Believe it or not, my false impression was based on my mis-hearing or misunderstanding a conversation my Dad had with my Uncle, when they were discussing my cousin's career.

                    Imagine being disabused of the notion your relative is some kind of champion of justice (left the AEC for moral reasons), only to find out he ran Hanford!

                    Well, I'm not the only one here who has interesting connections to the nuclear industry and nuclear weapons cartel. Socrates and NedliInVermont come to mind ….

                    It just took me a long time to "fess up" on this one thing. 'Guess those of you who know me from here realize I'm pretty disgusted knowing the truth. I'd say as much to my relative. Am hoping if there is ever a confrontation I can "speak the truth in love" to him, and not just go off on him.


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                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      You see, I didn't do the dirty deeds myself, but someone I'm related to HAD TO know about a lot of this stuff.

                      Now the entire Pacific Northwest may be destroyed because of Hanford. And the nuke pukes just continue to lie, lie, lie.

                      So I feel like I am duty bound to try to do something to help. So much harm has been done. I know there are many, many families whose loved ones were disabled and died because of contamination at Hanford. It just makes me sick.

                      This is a very visceral experience for me. Maybe now more of you will understand why I get (and stay) angry about nuclear anything ….


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                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      The bottom line is I FEEL BETRAYED. Yeah, all caps on that one.


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                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      great thoughts HoTaters. And know that regardless of your familial background, you are genuinely loved and held in high esteem by me and doubtless many others out here, for your commitment to a better world…


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            • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

              Wish I'd have been the slightest bit specific in my message.

              Reading through it again, it comes
              off as somewhat naive and 'crying hearts liberal'
              Also, it's nowhere near sa long as your's, so now I'm having severe message-envy, and on top of all that, it has absolutely no scientific backing as I have absolutely zero knowledge of nuclear physics, how a nuclear plant works, or what should be done about the whole mess.

              The only remotely constructive thing I wrote was a request for them to look at Arnie Gundersen's work suggestions, with a link to his Fairewinds site.

              I'm no expert by far, nor do I have a STEM background, but I do know a mistake when I see one. Something has to be done about that water, and I'll be damned if the public has to foot the bill, and solve all of the NRC/Japanese government's problems for them.


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          The Docket Comments system allows people to write quite a bit of information. It's possible to make a pretty good argument for one's position. I agree, Stock, everyone in the U.S. (and maybe all of North America and the Northern Hemisphere, all possible "downwinders") should be doing this.

          Thanks for taking the initiative to get this going.


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          My comments might be perceived as hitting them below the belt, since there is a high level of denial. My comments took the NRC to task for taking actions which put the public at risk. And my comments pointed to the NRC's own admissions the accident at Fukushima Daichi was clealy very, very bad.

          So that may make them defensive, but I'm more concerned with getting the judicial officials and lawmakers to consider what I think is the "big picture."

          I should probably post another comment and provide footnotes for my assertions about the FOIA documents, the fisheries studies, news stores, reports of illnesses and deaths in Japan. Then the lawmakers and juciciary officials can see the evidence for themselves, and weigh in on its importance.

          Without information, they (the decision makers) are operating more or less in a vaccuum.

          Stock, great Docket comments, and very well thought out. Thank you for doing what you do.


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        • babbo dorian babbo dorian

          Five with me stock….. greetings for your activism…


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        • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

          Tracking # 1jx-89dh-x4v3


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    • Foggyworld

      Thank you so very much for posting that link. I have sent my comments on and have also sent the information to the head of Save Barnegat Bay who has been a leader in our area to decommission Oyster Creek which is similar in design but is even older than Fukushima.

      Thanks so much.

      HH


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    • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

      1jx-89d7-jnny

      nice to know that "Your comment will be viewable on Regulations.gov after the agency has reviewed it, which may be an indefinite amount of time."


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    • FixItStupid FixItStupid

      Please, Think you can't clean it up!! Just Stop Now ! I am a victim I had Thyroid Surgery Please Think This stuff will end the world if you keep going Oh and how old are they would you drive a 40 year old car ? We are to take care of the Earth not Kill Her ! What did 3/11/2011 show us we may be all done anyway Think ? Yes many KNOW…. Thank You……………… Great Job So Far……….NOT !!! What is that 104 Dirty Bombs man made or other wise ? Just saying we could have a9.0 or other something or other same as Japan get Smart Be For Its Too LATE Dam IT

      Your Comment Tracking Number: 1jx-89d7-e7oj


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      Will see … Your Comment Tracking Number: 1jx-89d8-8.. Thanks for sharing….


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    • Bones Bones

      Thank you stock. Also, thank you all Enenews'rs and the staff especially. These past two stories including the new one above is the evidence to show people, "SEE WE ARE TELLING THE TRUTH THEY LIE!" Maybe people will start to believe in us all and start realizing anti-nukers are not here to make money; We are here to protect you, your family, and your children and their DNA especially so that you can live healthy happy lives. We need money to accomplish these goals, so make no mistake about that, but we care to help EVERYONE and not see a single person succomb to poisoning through radionuclides from man-made sources and have their health and lives ruined by it all because the governments their militaries want nuclear weapons. We don't want a single person to suffer from their absolute fascism, it's not capitalism just look at how they are funded and the LIABILITIES, which you and I are on the hook for everything shielding them from their liabilities because they can't afford to operated in a real economy, and we want to put an end to human suffering because of those assholes.


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      I went to the linked page. There are some really long PDF documents there. I would really hate to just make a comment like, " You people really are stupid, humans can't be trusted with nuclear power or nuclear waste, so please decommission all nuke plants and put your selves in a nice cushy job playing with what waste you already have for the rest of your lives, and all of your descendent generations, which will about 2 or 3 at most due to nuclear waste." That's what I would like to say, but most likely they would just toss it in the trash, right?

      Can you tell me what, in a nutshell that PDF says, because I work night shift on the chain gang, so to speak, and I am usually way too tired for really in depth research. Plus I have a cold from getting wet at work and going out into 15 degrees and shoveling snow, and sweating, and going in and out. Today my sleep was interrupted and I am going to rest now. When I get off work at 5 or so in the morning, I might comment, but at that time of the morning I would be tempted to just get on here and make a few disparaging comments on those planet destroying assholes and go to bed. What are the meatiest points I should address? Other than the meat between their brain-enclosing nutsacks and their output orifice?


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      • There is a GREAT interim solution, which creates good jobs in America, and we need that badly, and solves much of the problem, immediately increasing our safety and reducing our risk of terrorist attack.
        The numbers are simple, a dry cask can handle about 10 tons of material, and costs between $1M to $2M.

        There is roughly 60,000 tons of spent fuel in the USA that is not already Casked. USA generates around 2000 tons a year, and it takes 5 years to cool enough to be Casked, therefore 5 * 2000 = 10,000 tons have to wait to be Dry Casked, leaving 50,000 tons that could be and SHOULD BE Casked now.
        At 10 tons per Cask, that is 5000 Casks

        Material cost of $1.5M each, that is $7.5 B in Cask material cost.

        Let’s allow 50% of the material cost as a labor cost related to making the slabs the Casks will sit on, and moving the fuel, documentation and testing, or $3.75B. The security cost of monitoring and protecting the Dry Cask will be far less than securing the much more dangerous spent fuel pools, so there will out years savings on that cost item.

        So the total cost with labor and materials will be around $11.25B to dry cask everything that can be Dry Casked now. This is about $225,000 per ton. Let’s say the process takes 7 years, an additional 14,000 tons will be created, that’s another $3.125B needed. Or a total of $14.375B to dry cask ALL of the spent fuel in the USA up to 2020. But keep in mind $4.8B of that will be going into the hands of…


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    • isogoodhumans

      dont hold your breath unless you can for "an indefinite amount of time"

      After posting to NRC:

      Your comment will be viewable on Regulations.gov after the agency has reviewed it, which may be an indefinite amount of time. Use your tracking number to find out the status of your comment.


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    • Fall out man!

      Done.
      Its a long submission, so here is the summary I made at the end of it…
      Summary
      - Any operation that generates spent nuclear fuel should be located far from any productive farm land and far from any populated area to mitigate the damage done in event of loss of cooling to spent Nuclear fuel.
      - Spent Nuclear fuel should be moved to dry cask storage as quickly as possible, spent fuel should not be stored where a fuel pool fire could affect people, farm land or even worse, a nuclear reactor anywhere near farm land or people.
      - The private sector should have to provide unsubsidised private insurance to cover the costs of any disaster involving storage of spent nuclear fuel. This is vital if safety is to be taken as seriously as it should be. There should be no legislative limits on liability in event of an accident.


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    • lorenajazmin lorenajazmin

      I just left my comment.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "molten core has penetrated the drywell"
    TEPCO and NISA were debating how deeply the corium had penetrated into the concrete of the drywell.
    But, in fact, the "molten core has penetrated the drywell"
    This situation was clear to Miroslav Gregoric from Unit 1 data from TEPCO.
    TEPCO should just admit, that the…
    "molten core has penetrated the drywell"
    And penetrated the base mat.
    And penetrated the foundation.
    And penetrated the mudrock.
    To hell and gone.

    Where is the corium, eh, TEPCO? ;)


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    • ftlt

      Is the unlucky worker alive – The one who checked the drywall???

      Is this some new GE cost saving technology = drywall containment vessels


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      • Sickputer

        Nobody checked the lower levels of the meltdown buildings inside. In side access areas they had a 60-second soiree months afterward to try and retrieve one of the numerous suicide robots that expired inside.

        Just too much deadly gamma and beta rays and they remain off limits nearly 3 years later. Maybe in 500 years they can poke about for the egress holes.

        They had computer models based on many decades of small test meltdown experiments that led the IAEA scientists/engineers to make a calculated guess.

        The true header for that email should read:

        ***The TRUTH is NOT for Distribution***

        Sub header: Tokyo is TOAST!


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        • Shaker1

          So, they state 28 hours without coolant. What computer model does one need? TMI's event was a physical model for what could be expected, even if I believe that they assumed at TMI uncovering only 1/3 the length of the rods.

          It's rather obvious they pussy-footed around with this in the beginning. There was some measure of caution, somewhat understandable, as shocking the RPV can cause it to literally break uncontrolably, where at least in meltdown and through that vessel they could assume that the contents would flow to the dry well below. But it's interesting to me that repressurization of the vessel is stated, while I would think that in a vessel that is closed containing water initially, the steam would quickly raise that pressure. Steam is volumes greater than water in the same quantities. What I'm alluding to is that the vessel had some manner of vent somewhere to relieve that pressure. There is something else to remember. Steam does not cool well at all. It creates an envelope around the hot member. Did they assume the steam was in the suppression chamber? Or could part of the reason that the firepump water was diverted was partially the same reason as in Unit 3, which if I remember correctly, the pump didn't have the head to overcome the vessel's pressure? Were the pressures observed by gauges correct? One must wonder about the integrity of not only the piping, but the suppression chamber itself.


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  • Nick

    IAEA praises Fukushima decommissioning approach
    http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-IAEA-praises-Fukushima-decommissioning-approach-0512134.html

    How do you decommission missing fission piles?

    We can
    assume
    that
    once
    the
    Zirconium
    started
    to
    oxidise,very
    soon
    all
    fuel
    rods
    have broken
    to
    release
    all
    noble
    gasses
    and volatiles….
    http://enformable.com/2013/12/march-22nd-2011-core-melt-fukushima-unit-1-11-12-march-2011/


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  • ftlt

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA… The truth has a way of catching up with ya when all the Geiger counters are spiked everywhere…

    Institutional arrogance is not an uncommon disorder… It is a deadly one too quite often…


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  • Go Flying

    'Not for Distribution' speaks volumes about the complicity of the IAEA.


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    • unincredulous unincredulous

      Ha ha "Not for Distribution." That's what was printed on the boxes containing their brains, sitting on the shelf in the brain distribution center. When they were handing out brains, a few boxes were leaking. Must have ended up at a discount/closeout distributor. Some how these guys got their brains anyway. Should have checked the expiration date.

      I'm sorry, the previous comment is not for distribution.


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  • Nick

    "As of December 2011, we have achieved conditions equivalent to a cold shutdown. This is the state where the inside reactor temperatures of Units 1 through 3 have decreased to approximately below 100 degrees C and the release of radioactive materials has been significantly suppressed and is being kept under control.
    Currently, efforts to steadily cool down the reactors, control radioactive emissions into the atmosphere, and stop all radiation leakage into the ocean remain ongoing."
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/review/index-e.html


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  • Nick

    "…it is presumed that leaked radioactive materials have deposited on the seabed, we are covering the seabed of the site harbor with soil consisting of a mixture of cement and clay in order to prevent these radioactive deposits from whirling up during weather disturbances or turbulence from passing boats."
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/review/review2_3-e.html

    What we won't say is much of this debris was delivered by the explosive events from Unit #3. We also
    won't admit that the cement and clay fix failed to halt the spread of radioactive toxins into the once
    beautiful and blessed Pacific Ocean.

    We are TEPCO and we will have our profits!


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  • Sally Sally

    Everybody, please get a grip. The sky is not falling. Here is the Japan Radiation Map based on 2500 "up-to-date measurements".

    Everything is in the green/pale yellow with the exception of a couple of wee points over Fuki that are just marginally, stratospherically off scale at 147,000 nSv/hr.

    http://jciv.iidj.net/map/

    Speaking of stratospheres, the upper atmospheric distribution layer is blowing straight at Seattle at 200 km/hr.

    Surely somebody could put those two numbers together and come up with an estimate of how many mutations Bill Gates' grandchildren will have.


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    • davidh7426 davidh7426

      Maybe I'm just being cynical here, but this map seems to backup TEPCO-Gov a little too closely.

      The "Institute for Information Design Japan" was created just 3 months AFTER Fukushima, and the title alone rings bells…

      How can you "design information", isn't that how PROPOGANDA is created, picking from the data that which suits your needs, and creating it if it's not available. That would make the IIDJ a publicity company.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      OK, Sally. Who is JCIV? And what kind of instrumentation are they using? Who is controlling the flow of this information?

      Would just like to know your sources, and why you find them to be so reliable.


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      • Crash2Parties Crash2Parties

        They're a *design* company. They were showing off their ability to quickly hash together a data display using Google Earth. No mention of where the data is from, could be a test set, could be live measuring station, could be a random number generator. Could even be a single snapshot from a NETC map.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      BTW, Sally, the readings don't account for a lot of the radioactive isotopes already deposited in the soil, the bioaccumulation, contamination present in the water. And a lot of what's in the air just doesn't make it into those readings.

      I have to know why you find that so reliable and why I should just relax now, and just forget about all the other things I've learned. Like Marco Kaltofen's assessment of the highly radioactive material present in the black dust being found in hotspots in Japan, up to 400km away from Fukushima Daichi.

      Did you happen to read yesterday's news stories here? Sorry, but I have to wonder, based on your comment.

      Maybe you're more "plugged in" on the real facts than I am, in which case I applaud you. Please do share your sources. We all want to know the truth here.


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    • First problem;.. these are air readings, not ground.

      Second problem; not INTERNAL radiation readings inside people, which is what REALLY counts.

      Third problem; do you trust the detectors and calibrators?

      Fourth problem; no hot spots noted, and you only need to stumble into one to potentially be terminated. Want your kid to sit down or walk through some of that black dust, and then bring it in your home?

      Fifth problem; if these are official 'govt' detectors, then they are well known to have been artificially 'sweetened' in a variety of ways to give artificially low radiation readings.. When this is pointed out to them, they make no attempt to correct it.

      Sixth problem; no detection of plutonium or hot particles. It only takes ONE to kill a person if lodged in the right place. One microgram of plutonium killed 100% of dogs in a study within 5 years.

      We could go on, but hopefully you get the point..


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      • Wyakin Wyakin

        DGH-good summary of the problems. R-8 yes. This radiation map has been referenced here in the comments section periodically over the last couple years. The source reference for the individual data sites is the NRA, hardly an impartial agency.

        Any data offered will support the official story. Many probably have had naive moments followed by betrayal and a profound sense of awakening. It takes awhile for some to come to the inevitable reality of government collusion with the atomic mafia. Perhaps this offers yet another opportunity for enlightenment.


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  • davidh7426 davidh7426

    I don't know if this has been posted yet, but…

    TimeMachine… You made it onto RSN

    "US Navy Sailors Sue TEPCO Over Cluster-Fukushima Snafu"
    http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/21022-us-navy-sailors-sue-tepco-over-cluster-fukushima-snafu


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    TEPCO and JNES debate size of the hole in containment concrete…
    See page 6:
    http://www.aec.go.jp/jicst/NC/sitemap/pdf/P-4.pdf

    Meanwhile, the core was many meters below…
    http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/ro5utqa4/Pic1.png

    Why is the Pacific Ocean dying?
    Why are the children dying?
    Why is raw fuel soot all over Japan?
    THIS is why!
    The cores are out and about.


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  • rakingmuck

    So Nice to see that after being asked to post Kan's notes from March 11-15 I complied. They were either deleted or not read. This info was in there. Won't be doing again.


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    • flatsville

      rakingmuck,

      >>>They were either deleted or not read.<<<

      Deleted from Enenews?

      I copied them for my own use. I asked a question of you at one point which I'm not certain you noticed.

      Did Kan intend to make these public…or did they just slip out somehow?…You know, fall off the back of a truck, as some of us say.


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  • Alpha1

    Some people fucking idiots, we could not be here if it melted through go back to school get an education and come back you fuck heads…


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    • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

      Alpha1, what you haven't got mange like our Golden Eagles. Go get some here; http://www.sott.net/article/270393-Golden-eagles-with-mange-in-California?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      "The Wildlife Investigations Lab has been involved in the investigation of three cases of severe mite infestation, or mange, affecting subadult golden eagles in central California. Two cases were reported to WIL by SPCA for Monterey County in December 2012 and August 2013, while a third case was reported by biologists with the East Bay Regional Park District, also in August 2013. The eagles had significant feather loss and crusting of the skin on their head, neck, legs, and lower abdomen."

      "Severe mite infestation is unusual in birds and especially uncommon in adult birds. The degree of feather loss and infestation exhibited by these golden eagles has not been previously documented. Mange likely affects the eagle's ability to maintain normal body temperature and they may have difficulty obtaining food, becoming weakened, possibly increasing their susceptibility to trauma or other disease.We are currently working with researchers from the East Bay Regional Park District, SPCA for Monterey County, and the University of California, Davis to thoroughly document these cases, identify the mite, and evaluate any underlying health conditions."


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      • jec jec

        They did not test the birds, sounds like just visual observation of several young golden eagles. Would LOVE to be wrong, but this sounds more like what happened to the seals..and sea lions.."degree of feather loss and crusting on skin of heads, neck, legs and lower abdomen…has never been previously documented"..One has to wonder…..is it mange or is it…
        (fill in the blank!)


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      Get a life!

      h.


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  • We Not They Finally

    Naoto Kan STILL doesn't realize that THREE cores melted through?


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    • Grampybone Grampybone

      The office of the head of state in Japan was a technocratic Yakuza led regime that made nuclear capitalism it's savior and god. There was no attempt to even vary from the plan to suppress information. The gears got rolling and even the ones who knew right from wrong bent the knee to the nuclear smack dealers.


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  • Nick

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/arts-culture/view/fukushima-industries-unveils-new-mascot-with-an-unfortunate-name

    …the new face of Fukushima Industries is named “Fukuppy,”

    Just for fun. Click on link.

    Maybe we can expand the copyright for this mascot.


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  • JMR

    Maybe I'm wrong, but can't they calculate how far the corium got based on the numbers here. They went 28 hours without cooling. How hot does a corium get when it is not cooled? What's the melting point of concrete? How thick is the concrete below the corium? What rate does the corium at X temperature melt through? Based on these numbers they should have a pretty good idea where the cores were at that point. Or am I off base here?


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      This is uncharted territory.

      "How hot does a corium get when it is not cooled?"
      In the TMI accident the temperature of the corium
      reaches up to 2.800°C (5,072°F), but this was
      no melt-thru like in Japan.

      h.


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    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      Another significant factor is after melting through the steel containment, whether there were cracks in the concrete that allowed the corium to penetrate, which would hasten the melt-through. The impression I have is, radioactive hot lava flowing in various directions outward and downward through soggy ground, "steeping" the ground water that becomes highly contaminated and flows into the bay and beyond. And on it goes, for how long nobody knows.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      JMR, there were articles here in 2011 and 2012 discussing studies on rates at which corium would likely burn through its containment. Also many comments, some made by people with experience in the field.

      Check the archives using appropriate search terms for more info.


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  • FixItStupid FixItStupid

    Alpha1
    December 18, 2013 at 1:23 pm · Reply
    Some people fucking idiots, we could not be here if it melted through go back to school get an education and come back you fuck heads…

    Please help me under stand why not? or was that just a joke ? something is all over, something got out ? or you are just so mad at THE Stupid, Sorry. Thank you, Kind, Alphal


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  • Tritium Buildup Dangers Plus How To Stop The 3 Out Of Control Coriums Under Fukushima; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/07/how-to-stop-3-out-of-control-coriums.html


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Hey Mr. Tepco… Do you know where your coriums are? Better yet, DO you know how many coriums there are total? I say more than 3,and maybe up to 12. What say you? Even us non engineeres can understand that not only can the cores melt, the fuel pool contents may also melt, therefore it is possible to have 2 coriums each, at EVERY reactor. Have any Daini reactors, or any others melted? Do tell…………….


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    Dr. Good heart, very good info, sad to think this man could be spot on. Just as Tepco is playing a dog & pony show on unit 4 SFP, from the pics I have reviewed, 4 is lost. What is worse is so is the sanity of the elites they lack! Now if this was huge object from space about to earth out do you think all nations would come together? Who knows with man men in charge!


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  • Tiza Tiza

    I was just telling someone about the high radiation level at Idaho Falls, ID, which is Alert now. Or was at Alert at the NETC.

    They don't know how it can be from Fukushima. Can someone please explain. But they are concerned about it.


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      • Tiza Tiza

        Hi, KiloCharley,

        The Beaver State, is that Oregon? Didn't you tell me that?

        Anyway, the person was saying, how could it be that bad in Idaho Falls, then Reno and various other places, but not places west of them, or something. Don't remember. They were also saying that maybe something else is going on. Regardless, they were very concerned about it.

        I mentioned the jet stream, too. But I guess in their minds the jet stream was different, I suppose.


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        • KiloCharley KiloCharley

          Tiza, It is great that you are helping your friends by informing them. Even if they don't understand, or want to hear it right away, it is critical this information is available to everyone.
          One thing I am sure of, you won't get the full story from one source. Especially Main Stream Media. You need to dig, research for yourself, and decide for yourself what precautions you should take. This shit is not going to go away, so the more you know, the better for you and yours.
          A good "get you up to date" video is here;

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiBVBdM77s4&app=desktop

          BTW, sorry for the late reply, too many irons in the fire…
          Take care


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        • Fall out man!

          There is also the possibility that at times other things other than Fukushima are going on, normally operating nuke plants do run into problems and do occasionally make extra large releases of radioactivity. Fukushima was not the only nuclear power plant that got in trouble during Japans earthquake. Two others (mentioned here some time ago) ran into major problems. I think its rather telling that for some time the Japanese government shut down all nuclear power plants in Japan. You can be the earthquake caused other melt downs and radioactive releases we have not been informed about.
          Other factors are rainfall, and importantly for the US, as KC points out in that useful clip, the wind. During WW2 the Japanese could send balloons with bombs attached over to the USA in from memory 7 to 10 days on the jet stream. Tragically, a lot of what goes up at Fukushima rains down on the USA.
          There can be all kinds of local hot spots. e.g., one shocker was a plutonium processing plant in (near?) New York which later became a food distribution centre. It was never properly cleaned up. Then there are the problems with Southern Utah from the nuclear testing era, the Hanford downwinders and clean up problem. The USA has nuke plants all over it, so it is always possible you'll detect a local problem that may be blamed on Fukushima and vice versa.
          As KC says, it often takes some digging to get at the truth of the matter in coming up with a logical explanation for a high radiation event.


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    • MochiMadness

      Tiza, this may help as well. I can't recall who posted it (Anne?) but I found it extremely helpful–

      http://hint.fm/wind/

      MM


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      • VanneV anne

        I got it from another poster on enenews.com

        With HAARP, they create a vacuum over the Rocky Mts. and draw up moisture from the gulf. We're supposed to have rain and snow tomorrow along the Front Range of the Rockies (Eastern Slope).


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      • Tiza Tiza

        MochiMadness,

        Wow, that is wild, isn't it? Thank you very much.


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        • MochiMadness

          Tiza, you're welcome. I just found it enlightening, since the whole "teevee weather channel" dumbs down the jet stream to the point where people actually think it's this uniform WAVE.

          It's not. Local weather patterns are completely separate–I learned that just from having "microclimates" on my organic farm. Something as insignificant as chopping down a line of trees or clearing brush can kill an an orchard, change where insects can/do live, alter the flow of wind/rain to an area—it's serious stuff. My neighbor keeps chopping down the trees in her front yard (she likes the Monsanto yard look) and it's effecting the microclimate in mine.

          MM


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  • Tiza Tiza

    Well, when you watch the jet stream for a minute or so, you can see how some places get hit, others don't. Might explain why the DFW area is at Radcon4 today. That's high.


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  • NoFixedID

    What is the basis for Kan's statement that Tokyo would be uninhabitable if the corium had melted through the containment? Has anyone challenged him on this statement?


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  • Kashiko Kashiko

    NoFixedID, Tokyo is uninhabitable, it's just that the JP public haven't realized it yet.


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  • NoFixedID

    Good point. But the question remains. Many agree that further fires or explosions, given the right wind direction, could Pripyatise Tokyo. But I don't know of anyone except Kan who has claimed that a containment melt-through would have the same effect. How would this occur? Hydrogen explosions? Criticalities?


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    The major players have shown to not give a damn about Fukushima or the rest of the world, just look at the millions tons of spent UR ammo left in Iraq & those whom are sick! The corporations who make the ammo sell it so they don't have to store so they let it be use in wars started by the 3 lettered agencies we tax payers pay for. Tepco is no different, they lost control the 1st day & shareholders dumped the crap out of their stocks at the top.

    Now the location of corium & what it may do as it changes into what ever it wants to as the best of the best are kept from doing a damn thing to stop what will end up as ELE most likely, one corium blows & all hell is let lose upon the world! We had 10 commandments on a nuclear power ship in case of a nuke attack, we added one, number 11, bend over & kiss your ass good bye! Looks as we will be bending over soon if that expert who spoke how the corium may inter act with the bed rock & soil!
    Welcome to the nuclear nightmare, no one will escape it!


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  • i usually read all the comments before i leave one. i usually read the article before i leave one. I AM INCREDULOUS. i read this headline and — actually i retrospect i am surprised i still could react so vehemently. i had to walk away. am back, still unread, and still have, as my native response, one thing to say:

    http://tinyurl.com/itgotout

    if you can spot the corium from a helicopter, IT GOT OUT.

    heaven help us. i go read now.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "We couldn’t be in Tokyo if melted fuel went through containment vessel."
    Dear Mr. PM Kan,
    It is my contention that the molten corium went right through the containment vessel.
    Probably in 3 reactors.
    And right through the "base mat".
    And right through the foundation.
    And right through many meters of the mudrock below.

    Further, it is my contention that you knew this to be the case.
    And you knew that to admit the truth of what has happened would ABSOLUTELY DEMAND the evacuation of Tokyo.

    So you were right:

    People cannot continue to live in Tokyo.

    For the deadly Corium Soot was everywhere.
    Raw burned nuclear fuel had appeared as a "black substance" along roadways, on sidewalks, just everywhere.
    Yet you didn't order the evacuation that you knew AT THE TIME to be necessary.
    You could now come clean,
    And tell us where the 3 coria are,
    But you still remain silent.
    And your continued silence, Mr. Kan, is criminal.
    Mercy is still a possibility.
    You could ask your people for forgiveness,
    But you are silent. Remain silent.
    The people of Tokyo are to become the walking dead,
    As cells mutate and become cancerous.
    Please explain to us the unexplained deaths, Mr. Kan.
    Please explain the children's thyroid tumors.

    PM Kan: Where is the damn corium?


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  • Alpha1

    Can anyone say FUK U these are the biggest bunch of 1920's keystone cops I have ever seen dealing with the fate of human kind much less all kinds of sentient life period. I we do not stand up and unite against them an entire race of humans will be lost much less the 98% of sea life already dying…

    I hate to say I have been telling everyone so but I have, none of us want to believe we are in the end times but ( We ARE) and that is not something to take lightly. I can say prayer to this point has not helped it is still Mississippi burning and no stop in sight. DEATH DEALERS are going to make some big bucks if there is even a place left to sell them. Maybe the Earth is to far gone but we are still here to create something never seen unification of all people otherwise we all die… Stand with us united or die alone!!!!


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  • tsfw tsfw

    Oh you guys are going to love this …

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/12/obama-selects-gay-athletes-for-sochi-olympics-delegation/

    Billie Jean King will be one of two openly gay athletes in the U.S. delegation for the opening and closing ceremonies, Obama announced Tuesday. For the first time since 2000, however, the U.S. will not send a president, former president, first lady or vice president to the Games.


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  • Kashiko Kashiko

    tsfw Maybe my sick sense of humour but that is so funny.


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  • pkjn

    1,070 Bq/Kg of Cesium-134/137 detected from fish 2km offshore of Fukushima plant / Over 10 times much as safety limit
    December 18th, 2013 Fukushima Diary
    1,070 Bq/Kg of Cesium-134/137 was measured from fish “outside” of Fukushima plant port. It suggests the contamination is leaking out of the plant port.
    The sample was “Banded dogfish”. The sampling location was 2km offshore of Fukushima plant.
    The measured Cs-134/137 level is over 10 times much as Japanese food safety level.
    The marine products survey is regularly conducted by Tokyo Electric. However, it is not announced if they really publish all the sampling data without choosing. The test results are not inspected by the third party organization either.
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/12/1070-bqkg-of-cesium-134137-detected-from-fish-2km-offshore-of-fukushima-daini-over-10-times-much-as-safety-limit/
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/smp/2013/images/fish02_131218-e.pdf


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