IAEA Official: “What we are trying to say is consider” putting all the toxic Fukushima water in Pacific — Impact on human health must be monitored — Nearby countries all against it (PHOTO)

Published: December 4th, 2013 at 1:25 pm ET
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Juan Carlos Lentijo, head of IAEA’s mission to Fukushima Daiichi, Dec. 4, 2013: “Controlled discharge is a regular practice in all the nuclear facilities in the world. And what we are trying to say here is to consider this as one of the options to contribute to a good balance of risks and to stabilize the facility for the long term.”

Presentation by Lake Barrett, currently a Tepco adviser (2011)

Shunichi Tanaka, chairman of Japan’s Nuclear Regulation Authority, Dec. 4, 2013: “You cannot keep storing the water forever. We have to make choice comparing all risks involved.”

Xinhua, Dec. 4, 2013: Lentijo said that TEPCO should weigh the possible damaging effects of discharging toxic water against the total risks involved in the overall decommissioning work process. […] Tanaka highlighted the fact that while highly radioactive water could be decontaminated in around seven years, the amount of water containing tritium will keep rising, topping 700,000 tons in two years. […] nuclear experts have repeatedly pointed out that [tritium] is still a significant radiation hazard when inhaled, ingested via food or water, or absorbed through the skin. […] fisherman, industries and fisheries bodies in the Fukushima area and beyond in Japan’s northeast, have collectively baulked at the idea of releasing toxic water into the sea […] TEPCO will be duty-bound to submit assessments of the safety and environmental impact […]

NHK, Dec. 4, 2013: IAEA team leader Juan Carlos Lentijo […] said it is necessary and indispensable to assess the impact the tritium discharge might have on human health and the environment, and to get government approval as well as consent from concerned people.

Japan Times, Dec. 4, 2013: “Of course . . . public acceptance for this purpose is necessary,” said Lentijo, adding strict monitoring of the impact of the discharge would also be essential.

AFP, Dec. 4, 2013: [L]ocal fishermen, neighbouring countries and environmental groups all oppose the idea.

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177 comments to IAEA Official: “What we are trying to say is consider” putting all the toxic Fukushima water in Pacific — Impact on human health must be monitored — Nearby countries all against it (PHOTO)

  • SadieDog

    I see everyone else is at a loss for words also.

    • SadieDog

      Public acceptence will be mandatory.

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        "If you like your beach going plan, you can keep your beach going plan, period. If you like your lifeguard, you can keep your lifeguard."

        "Join the rest of us tyrannical, fascist braniacs, swimming daily in the Sea of Knowledge, emerging completely dry…"

      • nedlifromvermont

        They are just too damned cheap … a few newly constructed olympic sized swimming pools in the exclusion zone, earthquake resistant, and they could pump the water from the tanks …

        I was always suspicious about the "running out of space for tanks" concept when there are several thousand square kilometers where nothing can be grown or lived upon fir six centuries nearby …

        No TepCo, we don't expect you to store it "forever" … but the next six centuries would be nice … you who chose to remain blind to the risks as presented to you!

        Welcome to the nuclear cabal and spendthrift faction!!!

        • Ontological Ontological

          To "store" anything from this disaster is purely ridiculous! TEPCO had to cover a large area of the shore front with cement due to all the dust/debris from the R3 detonation settling in the ocean just off shore. They HAD to cover it due to ocean water boiling. So now we have a covered patch of screaming hot MOX materials, with the river of groundwater runoff from the mountains behind the plant bubbling up directly under the fallout trapped below the cement layer. NOTHING we can do will help. Reducing the flow with a retention wall will increase the amounts of concentration of nucleoids in the groundwater discharge as the muck of MOX mud under the cement needs cooling also. This disaster whatever the cause is the worst thing mankind has ever had to deal with to date. So "dumping becomes a moot term.

        • srlf

          Exactly!
          But U.S. corporation that designed the things (General Electric) should also pay!

    • Bones Bones

      Well, most thought inside they would eventually just dump it and forget about ACTUALLY fixing the problem!!!! Hey IAEA, all you people in that organization should have swimming pools of that contaminated water! Swim in it! Bath in it! HOW ABOUT NO!!! You won't discharge the water and you won't be so complacent and you will be held to account…all of you in the organization. Every baby that dies or is born to death immediate from this contamination is murder. Every sick adult from this is murder. So murderers are our leaders. Wonderful. Now, they want us to just accept their murder. FUCK YOU IAEA! You will be forced to swim in your own toxic sludge one fucking day soon. I hope all their kids become sick with cancers especially strange ones. Yea, I just cursed you. It is the same as you are doing to OUR CHILDREN!

    • Gradius

      TEPCO? WTF?! We all know you're nothing but Yakuza lowlife. STOP this madness right now! Military force should invade Fukushima ASAP and cut all the heads of those lowlife. I MEAN IT. Putting all that radioative trash directly into ocean will just speed up the self-destruction WORLDWIDE by BILLION times! Yes. BILLIONS !

      • jump-ball jump-ball

        'Military force should invade Fukushima'

        My hope is for my grandchildren to someday elect a President who declares he is 1) proud of his country's 200 MIL gun owners, 2) will make it illegal for oil and shipping companies to pay million $ ransoms to obtain hijacked cargoes by enriching pirates, and 3) who will blockade and embargo any country that fails to control its nuclear atmospheric and oceanic contaminants.

        Good luck Kids…

        • rakingmuck

          Ready for some GOOD news? The ICC (Hague) has accepted and will be going forward with initial testimony for a Crimes Against Humanity Suit against Obama brought by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It also names his half brother which is quite interesting. Libya (people living in exile as Libya has no infrastructure or government)are finalizing a second much broader in scope Crimes Against Humanity suit against Obama which they will be filing imminently. In the second case he did not just commit crimes against humanity, the suit will allege he destroyed an entire country for decades to come. That would come with a lifetime jail sentence if won.

        • We Not They Finally

          jump-ball, you seriously want that kind of anarchy? Proud of 200 million gun owners? Are you nuts?? That's honestly what I fear for in America. All the crazy gun owners declaring their own state and their own shoot-'em-up. That mentality is part of what is WRONG with America! The LAST thing we need is more violence. We're already the most violent nation in the world. Good God! Give it a rest!! Or whatever they are doing in Japan, it will hardly be any better hear.

          Guns don't protect you. EDUCATION and ORGANIZATION protects you. Civility protects you. Humanity protects you. Learn that. Please.

        • We Not They Finally

          jump-ball, you think that 200 million gun owners should be encouraged? That's a little nuts. That's what's WRONG with this country. That's why I fear for America when Japanese radiation increases here. Gun-happy Americans. Don't wish for this. Please. For the sake of all of us. Neighbors will come to rob our food with their guns and then go calling themselves "patriots."

          • Bones Bones

            All problems come from the use of force to get what you want from someone who wouldn't voluntarily do what you ask. If I asked you all to pay taxes to me, would you not laugh in my face? Now, if I put a gun to your head or said I will lock you in a cage unless you pay up…you probably would. That is the state. Now, a society free of force is what we should all strive for. We'd be free to fight against what harms our communities like nuke plants NOT MARIJUANA and stupid "crimes" like that. The state is the anti-thesis to democracy as it forces everything upon us. Ever ask yourself, born in whatever country you were born, when did I make the decision to join this group. I'm OWNED by the state since birth??????? This seems right, how? All problems stem from use of force. That stands to reason we can't solve problems by force in consideration of the long-term. Fuku is too important and needs to be stopped, obviously and right now the states are the only ones with the money because of their fraud. If we had control in our neighborhood in the neighborhood, not "representation" thousands of miles away, I doubt a single plant would have ever been erected. Always remember humans solve problems, not states. They just put a gun to your head and say do what I say and not as I do – You are my slave. That is why I support just starting new systems and as they compete the better organized people and open-minded people will flourish and voluntarily people can choose…

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Yes Bones, the future will change as many civilizations will soon begin to collapse/implode on themselves.. 🙁

              We must all prepare now for what still comith this way..

    • Noah

      "It became apparent to all that they eyed the Pacific basin as the next storage container." – Noah

  • babbo dorian babbo dorian

    Human been…..

    Please be ready for …… death……..

    GE/MONSANTO/ETC/ETC/ETCETCETC……ABE/ETC/ETC

  • norbu norbu

    How about you [IAEA] "consider" putting the water in all of your back yard swimming pools, and wishing wells. Do not dump that shit in our Oceans.

  • pkjn

    Radiation levels in the groundwater under the "Fukushima" peaked since the accident
    Dec 04, 2013 AllVoices

    Concentration of radioactive substances rose today to the highest level since the accident.
    The level of radiation in water samples taken from the maintenance shaft, located east of the second unit, was 1.3 million becquerels per liter.
    Marginal rate of fluid drain into the ocean – 60 thousand becquerels.
    The water comes from a strong beta radiation, indicating that the content in it strontium-90 and tritium.

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16088701-radiation-levels-in-the-groundwater-under-the-fukushima-peaked-since-the-accident
    http://mainichi.jp/shimen/news/m20131204dde007040072000c.html

  • JMR

    "You cannot keep storing the water forever. We have to make choice comparing all risks involved," Tanaka said of the current and future station at the nuclear facility located 240 km northeast of Tokyo."

    I wish someone would have weighed the risks before they built a nuclear plant on a tectonically unstable island next to the ocean over an aquifier next to the largest city in the world.

    • DrSpindrift

      Can't store the toxic waste forever? What nonsense – that is the plan for all the rest of the nuclear waste on the planet…

      • Wyakin Wyakin

        Whenever the IAEA has something to say, put on on your boots and get out your shovel. The IAEA has multiple conflicts of interest, is incredible, and unbelievable.

        DrSpindrift-“Can't store the toxic waste forever? What nonsense – that is the plan for all the rest of the nuclear waste on the planet…”

        Excellent succinct encapsulation of our global and pathetic current state of affairs. FU is but a glimpse through a microscope of the tragedy which is befalling us all, and all species regardless of geographic affiliation.

        When humans are born, and when many of us die, we are unable to control our biological, non toxic liquid and gaseous emissions.

        In contrast, NPP are always in a state of unconscious birth or death with both deadly inconspicuous liquid and gaseous emissions constantly emanating from never living corpses to the detriment of all life forms, supported by the life support of corporate and government spin masters of fission, inspired by greed, power and ego-maniacal arrogance. (Cont)

        • Wyakin Wyakin

          The uneconomical operation of NPPs creates nuclear trash which lasts for over 250,000 years. Inheritance of the economic and genomic burden of this trash to present and future generations should be evident.The unspoken effects of low level radiation on DNA may take up to 20 generations to express.

          The linear prognostications of most, neglect the multi-generational genetic defect permutations which may occur far in the future. To be clear, the effects of such events end when ten times the half life of this nuclear trash plus 20 generations is reached. The stopwatch will be running for thousands of years.

          As far as I can tell, science has only been able to store a portion of this trash in a container for less than 100 years.

          The enormous multi-generational burden of effort, and its consequences on resources, language, and genome should be clear to anyone, unless they are morons or oblivious psychopaths.

  • JMR

    I didn't read all these articles, but how much water are they talking about and what are the concentrations of Tritium?

    So what I understand about Tritium is that you pretty much have to breathe it or ingest it for it to affect you, but seeing as fish pretty much ingest or "breathe" water almost continuously and tritium has a half life of appx 12 years, I'd say the odds of many of them picking up tritium particles is probably going to be pretty good. So even if this tritium is "diluted" I'm sure there will be many people who will win the tritium-contaminated fish lottery when they eat them.

    • Pete

      There have been massive amounts of water, massive leaks, and massive lies so I dont bother to listen to their numbers anymore, Im not sure what their latest tritium volume and concentrations half-truths are.

      However another thing they arent talking about is that when tritium is released into the air, tritium forms a fog when it combines with H20 in the air to form T20.

      Strange fog events have been recorded all along the west, here in seattle for example in the past few weeks like when obama came for his fundraiser and also after the tsunamis hit Japan and pushed radiation across the pacific, we had heavy fog for weeks.

      Then as winter storm Boreas pushed across the southern US, pushing rad levels up as it went, the Grand Canyon got fogged out. They say that almost never happens. Hmm.

      And honestly I never tell people about the Tritium Lottery from eating pacific fish, all fish swim thru some tritium and I dont think tritium is a solid because it combines with water.

      I feel in the big scheme of radiation tritium is nothing compared to plutonium or neptunium with their millions of years, or some of the other really bad ones they dont want to talk about.

      Thats why I tell people about the Plutonium Lottery, where the many tons of plutonium got aerosolized and some of that plutonium fell here in Seattle and many other places, and if you get one of those particles in your sushi, you Win.

      • Mack Mack

        Tritium ends up in the rain and snow, too, where it falls down upon us, our houses + yards, farms, rivers, oceans…eventually ending up in what we eat, drink and shower with.

    • End of the Road

      Tritium may not be receiving the recognition it deserves. Tritium is radioactive hydrogen that has combined, permanently, with water. So it becomes part of the hydrologic cycle — tritiated water evaporates from contaminated oceans, and comes down as rain on your house and mine. And on our fresh water supplies. So you WILL drink it, cook with it, shower with it, swim in a pool with it, breathe it in as steam or fog. It may be a low-energy beta emitter, but it's a beta emitter nevertheless. Here's a link — read the part toward the bottom where it says tritium causes cancer and birth defects.

      http://www.nirs.org/radiation/tritium/tritiumhome.htm

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Have a look at the NETC website. Zoom in on the Fukushima Daichi plant, which is the size of a small city. You'll be able to see aerial pictures of all the water storage tanks there. That will help give an idea of the immensity of the storage problem.

      They've lost it and now I'm SURE they (the IAEA members) are all NUTS.

  • Go Flying

    PM Abe and his compadre sacks of sh1t in suits should:

    1. Start by accepting the conclusion that Honshu Island is Fuk'd and Japan is never going to be the same.

    2. Extend the evacuation zone and abandon the idiotic spin of oersuading people that they will eventually return home – it ain't ever gonna happen

    3. Build LOTS more waste storage facilities, as many as it takes, but not on seismic faults nor over aquifers.

    4. Store ALL your crap in your own backyard!

    BUT DO NOT CONTINUE TO POISON MY WORLD BY DUMPNG YOUR TOXIC WASTES IN MY OCEANS!

  • Sparky Sparky

    “Controlled discharge is a regular practice in all the nuclear facilities in the world." And this is ACCEPTABLE??? Is there anything about this disaster that is "controlled"–other than truth??? We are so dead. 🙁

    • jec jec

      Japan MUST have a LOT of nuclear blackmail information to use against other nuclear countries..which is why the silence from most governments! Blackmail about the amount of purposeful nuclear discharge(s), relationship to illnesses like diabetes/heart/thyroid/fetal injuries due to discharges, and cancer. Blackmail about many many radiation accidents(on purpose?) hidden from the general public.
      Anyone want to make a bet I am correct? For example, in the USA, request for "FOIA" information will not release documents on that kind of illegal activities; the USA is not supposed to be dumping radioactive materials per international laws. Same for other countries! As Japan is likely very aware of the US and/or other country events/activities, I can see the political finger pointing right now!

  • dka

    put them in a 5 km deep whole in the middle of Mongolian gobi desert

    • We Not They Finally

      dka, they have no way to transport it there, but maybe they can go bury THEMSELVES in a 5 km hole in the middle of the Mongolian Gobi desert. All the toxic people who created this toxic catastrophe.

  • SadieDog

    I believe Japan wants the cores gone out to sea. They are trying to buy time for themselves and realize buying time is all they can do now. The quicker 'it' washes out to sea the less land contamination they will suffer. Cut out the tumor. Buy time.

    • SadieDog

      The 2020 Olympics in Tokyo MUST go as scheduled or Japan could lose face.

      • Bones Bones

        If they didn't lose face by now, they certainly have been trying to "save" it a whole hell of a lot.

        • SadieDog

          I dont think you are thinking how they are thinking. Fukushima is fine, nothing to worry about. Sun is warm, grass is green and Emporer is in palace. Olympics will save Japan.

          • Mack Mack

            6 days ago Japan's Emperor requested Fukushima rice…that's an example of the level of denial and brainwashing going on in Japan.

            http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0000830439

            • Kashiko Kashiko

              He's so old it wouldn't matter if he ate it every day. But what about his granddaughter?

            • Bones Bones

              Sadie, Mack thank you guys for the perspective!

              • Bones Bones

                Makes me a bit more concerned those comments. Scary patterns of thinking indeed. Such complacency is ripe for corruption. Unless the culture changes, not much else will. Money is all important as the oil of economy, but people and their perceptions and emotions rule our neo-feudal/fascist monetary system. Without a cultural change towards open society, voluntary governance and an emphasis on building a clean, productive society for future generations to do as they please without worrying about dying from invisible radioactive waste lands in the world, the Earth doesn't look to promising. This applies to all cultures. STOP LIVING IN FEAR!

            • davidh7426 davidh7426

              Yes, but did he eat it…

              Maybe he has a rat infestation that he wants to kill off ( other than the one in government ).

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Senor Lentijo:

        Lo que es normal para usted y su industria es absurda.
        Por que arrastrar a otros en su purgatorio?

        Corazon de la Rosa.

      • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

        It's really a "beggar thy neighbor" scenario.

        (Economic term referring to when a country's attempt to protect its people, say by initiating tariffs, ends up hurting and perhaps even starting a trade war with it's neighbors. Zero sum game.)

        I wonder if China or the US will eventually feel they may have to act against Japan militarily to prevent them from dumping completely. Although I don't see the US making any moves at all at this point.

    • End of the Road

      The cores will not wash out to sea. Not in our lifetimes, anyway.

      • SadieDog

        @Road – I defer to you on this. What are the possible outcomes for the cores, in your opinion.

        • End of the Road

          SadieDog, there is so much we don't know about the coriums that I won't hazard a guess. But here's why I think they won't end up in the ocean soon. If the corium melted through to the ground, it's still very radiologically hot, but not thermally hot enough to go any further into the ground. So it's wedged between rock below and the containment unit above. Short of Japan sinking into the ocean, it's going to sit there with groundwater flowing past it for a long, long time.

          But there is hope! Edgar Cayce (1877-1945), the Sleeping Prophet, predicted that Japan was going to disappear into the ocean. He thought that would happen before the year 2000, but what's a few years? Soooo… you might turn out to be right after all.

          • SadieDog

            Path of least resistance…on earth every thing flows down(gravity, I know) and lacking gravity, nature abhors a vacuum. The ocean is syphoning the water from underneath Japan. "I drink your milkshake!" So, maybe the actual core material isn't gonna go anywhere anytime soon but the particles it is emitting will, via groundwater and cooling water. Correct?

            • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

              The coriums do not have to wash out to sea…the locality is close enough.
              Is there a substance for the corium to wedge itself against?

              The Geology of Fukushima. Porous ground, lowered 10 metres, built over an aquifer with a fault line present, with basements below sea level

              "The good news is that the radioactive water leaking from the plant will not be able to spread towards the Japanese inland and the Abukuma plateau due to the downward slope of the geological layers. The bad news is that there exists a fault which appears to be active right under the Fukushima Daiichi plant itself: this allows, and will continue to allow, radioactive pollution of aquifers over a depth of several hundreds of meters, as it runs through the different “waterproof” strata (4). This also means that the radionuclides will naturally be carried towards the sea by this underground water stream flowing through the permeable layers of sandstone. Sandstone is indeed the ideal rock for aquifers, as it is both permeable and fractured, providing easy movement of water. And finally, there is the problem of the type of rock on which the plant was built being rather “soft”, meaning that an earthquake can only destabilize the buildings."

              http://nuclearhistory.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/the-geology-of-fukushima-porous-ground-lowered-10-metres-built-over-an-aquifer-with-a-fault-line-present-with-basements-below-sea-level/

              The perfect delivery system…

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      It's not just going to wash out to sea. Not for a very, very long time.

  • It only take MONEY to treat all this water.

    MONEY! Greedy Nuke bastards!

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      They want people to keep their minds on the dumping of the tanks..which are already failing.. do to poor construction and corrosion … and tilting do to subsidence..than ask any critical questions..like…..
      WHERE IS THE CORIUM.

      • I used to ask that a lot, but I know where they are.

        In the basements, in the ground water, or under the basements, in the ground water.

        The real question is, what is the HUMAN RACE going to do about them thar coriums.

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        "“What we are trying to say is consider".
        Try to consider that inundation of Fukushima is inevitable.
        Try to consider the composite amount of nuclear material that will be released..and what effects that might have on the atmosphere.
        Try to contemplate..how long the material will be making daughter products..and how long before bio-accumulation is evident..among the species.
        Try and contemplate..this concept.
        Monitoring does ..zip…except make jobs for researchers.

        "stabilize the facility for the long term"
        You and who's army ..hijo?

  • pure water

    This ocean is a home for so many other creatures.Our life depends on their existance. LIFE, not someone`s pockets! These creatures deserve respect. They feel pain as we do. Dolphins saved sailors` lives for senturies and people kill them. I am so sorry, dear sisters and brothers from the ocean…

  • weeman

    Controlled discharge is a regular practice at all nuclear facilities, this is the very reason I am against nuclear, what they call discharge is no more than heavy contaminated water, being dulited till it is below standards that vary from country to country and most radioactive isotopes in contaminated water, are not even evaluated before discharge and even if they are found, no way to filter out or reduce, only time can eliminate.
    9/10th of the surface water in the lower forty eight states has been through a nuclear reactor and has a abundance of tritium embedded, so much so that in the higher powers great wisdom, future nuclear plants will be built by ocean, this is not what we voted for insanity?

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Exactly they are constantly dumping nuclear waste in the ocean and it's legal as long as it is from land with a pipe running into the ocean. In fact the only illegal practice is tossing barrels filled with nuclear waste into the sea thanks to Greenpeace that practice was halted but France has a huge underground pipe that empties directly into the ocean. As for Fukushima the corium is in contact with the ground water and as we know, is daily pumping tons upon tons of strontium, cesium, tritium, and countless other isotopes into our bread basket, the Pacific Ocean. So whose permission are they seeking as it is already occurring. Just downright insanity. I truly grow weary of this BS about not knowing where the corium is located and if it has tainted the groundwater and also when they claim the ocean is huge and how radiation is diluted which government studies have shown that dilution is no solution. So the bottom line is let's just let this pollute the Pacific? Unreal IAEA I thought was to protect the public and all other species but no they are just part of the nuclear priesthood.

      • We Not They Finally

        IAEA has NEVER been to protect the public, just the industry. No, worse. In 1959, the World Health Organization signed an agreement that they cannot say anything about radiation and health without clearing it with the IAEA.

  • American Phoenix57

    “The problem is that we are not between a rock and a hard place, the rock has fallen on us.” – paraphrasing Harvey "No Nukes" Wasserman.

    http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/fukushimas-deadly-legacy/

  • Cisco Cisco

    They'll have to dump the tanks soon to avoid a total collapse of the tank field. That's a real good possibility, now. Broaching the subject of dumping in the Pacific is is a dog whistle for their shill scientists/experts like Kenny boy and Eddie boy to prodigiously write more stories and give interviews about safely discharging irradiated water. No problem…SOP, we've been doing it for years.

    The tanks built as temporary storage are subject to extreme corrosion from salt water and high rads. It's only a matter of time before some bolts break and the tank field goes down like a house of cards. And, if the bolts/hardware don't fail soon, subsidence will be the catalyst.

    Either way, the sh#t is going into the ocean. They just need to get their propagandists writing, speaking, and assuring the GP, not to worry. Hey, there's more radiation in a banana and drinking the water in Fuku Daiichi harbor according to Eddie boy.

    • pure water

      They boil the frog. Slowly. Besides dumping for years, they are serving lies to the public. They assuerd everyone there will be no accidents. LIE. They say radiation is not dangerous. LIE. They declared "cold shutdown condition". LIE. They say no one knows where the coriums are. LIE.(just small portion of all the lies)
      If someone lies so many times, would you listen to him at all? And when life is at stake, why people listen to these institutions I have no idea! Thay have half boiled the frog – at least the head.

    • deedles deedles

      Seems like when they introduce a concept for the proles it means they are already doing it.

  • Speedy

    Controlled release…that includes vapor…those cooling towers are really mixing towers…

    So that acid rain (snow) that was talked about in the Adirondack mountains was really tritium rain, hot snow ? NY warns about eating salmonoids under 25" out of Lake Ontario: men under 50, no more than 1 meal a month, women and children under 15 — zero….longer than 25" no one should consume..claims elevated levels of mirex, pcbs and some other chemical..what about radiation levels? No need to bring that up to the public…

    • Speedy

      And there is 33 plants on the great lakes..all that water goes through
      Lake Onterio. They all are allowed to have conrolled discharges…hmm
      I guess I have been misled, or in denial…wow..

  • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

    Expose then study.
    Just like Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
    Just like Chernobyl.
    Just like the Bravo bomb test on the Marshall Islands.
    Just like Soldiers deliberately exposed to bomb fallout.
    Just like downwinders in the USA
    Just like us now.

  • Mack Mack

    The IAEA are the biggest bunch of phony baloneys.

    Their headquarters is in Austria where there are NO nuclear power plants, and Austria is furious that a nuclear power plant may be built on the Austrian border.

  • razzz razzz

    Keep the site workable until all the fuel pools are unloaded and Units 5&6. Then cap everything in concrete and walk away.

    Nothing new here. Caldicott said it, Gundersen said it, Busby said it, no radioactive containment…no hope and into IAEA's Pacific toilet it goes for everyone to share.

    TEPCO catches some radioactive contaminated waters to store or process but the bulk already flows out to sea or shows up onsite. The cores are spreading themselves out but the IAEA will monitor with its useful tool WHO to claim minimal damage to the human race.

    IAEA has thrown in the towel, hopefully it is their downfall. Without answers to nuclear reactor meltdowns, the industry dies a slow death on costs alone. Human health is secondary or an afterthought.

    In the meantime, keep working to change the diagnosis definition of 'cancer' to hide the inevitable rise in the cancer death rates.

  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    Shouldn't there be hell or a fee to pay for this proposed dumping? Have been and will continue dumping but a fee would limit the amount. Kinda like a sin tax. This way they can contruibute to my families health care caused by their mess. All stored radioactive material to be released into the ocean must pay a health care tax. Bet they would find a way not to dump.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    More juvenile behavior from Forbes.
    "Oh..look ..mommy..look what the Guardian said.
    They are radicals and look what they said..
    They said Fukushima's ouchy ..all better."
    Who doesn't know that the Guardian isn't under extreme pressure from the government?

    Newspaper claims its under state pressure
    Aug 23 2013

    http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=243448

    And on top of that…the Guardian falling for the old 'song and dance'..doesn't make it true.

    Good News From Fukushima, In The Guardian Of All Places

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/04/good-news-from-fukushima-in-the-guardian-of-all-places/

    Tim Worstall= shill.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Delusion is like that..Forbes has a select readership.. the wealthy and delusional.
    Just keep talking to yourselves.
    That's right..
    It's all good.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    MORE NUCLEAR / MORE CANCER / DIRECT CORRELATION

    All countries must abandon nuclear, and stop being the problem.

  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    " IAEA team leader Juan Carlos Lentijo […] said it is necessary and indispensable to assess the impact the tritium discharge might have on human health and the environment, and to get government approval as well as consent from concerned people."

    Welcome to Newspeak.

    I am *not* giving consent to be involved in their bloody experiment.

  • mungo mungo

    I think they might be doing this already, the arrowed area on the picture at the top of this thread is where we saw steam a few nights ago…..hot water hitting cold water?

  • fonzie3b fonzie3b

    I've been lurking for the longest time and have to say this is the most well informed, well behaved group of souls I have ever come across. On the comp or in "real life".

    I was listening to some Stevie Wonder today and the lyrics of this song summed up exactly what I have been feeling. He has a way of doing that. Plus one of the best funk riffs of all time imo.

    "You haven't done nothing"

    "We are amazed but not amused
    by all the things you say that you'll do.
    Though much concerned but not involved
    with decisions that are made by you.

    But we are sick and tired of hearing your song.
    Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong.
    'Cause if you really want to hear our views
    "you haven't done nothing"!

    It's not too cool to be ridiculed
    but you brought this upon yourself.
    The world is tired of pacifiers
    We want the truth and nothing else!

    And we are sick and tired of hearing your song.
    Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong.
    'Cause if you really want to hear our views
    "you haven't done nothing"!

    <funk break>

    We would not care to wake up to the nightmare
    that's becoming real life.
    But when mislead, who knows, a person's mind
    Can turn as cold as ice.

    Why do you keep on making us hear your song?
    Telling us how you are changing right from wrong.
    'Cause if you really want to hear our views
    "you haven't done nothing"!

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Strontium, Yttrium reverse salt electron transference. The elements in a giant salt bath bounce up and down in space destroying tissue. When the Yttrium reaches it's half life the concentrated molten salt in the water re-introduces the covalent bond to Strontium Salt. This process repeats itself. One collision leads to multiple bonds in conductive rich salt exposure. An oceanic oven will be achieved if they dump it all at once.

    • Kassandra

      I wish I could learn from you directly.

      I have many questions and you have exactly the expertise I seek.

      • Grampybone Grampybone

        "We and I and Grampybone frequently check our posts." If you seek more in depth answers, additional contact methods can allow me to elaborate further if you so wish. For now, just ask. There are far more qualified individuals who post here every day who can double check any data presented with corrections. The Enenews community is quite resourceful.

      • Bones Bones

        x2 I love your scientific explainations of everything. Thank you for all the knowledge all these years and until we can say to kids not yet born, "We put an end to this madness," I'll keep looking to your fountain of knowledge! Thanks Grampy!

    • We Not They Finally

      Yttrium is apparently the radioactive isotope that wrecks the pancreas. They already have a gigantic epidemic of childhood diabetes over there — 60% of the kids in the Fukushima area as of a year and a half ago. Between that and the cancers and leukemia, I'm unclear that they will have any kids left in years to come. What kind of people commit wanton genocide on their own kids?

      • Grampybone Grampybone

        There are some who believe the Yttrium can re-activate Strontium with Bromine and Halogen molecules. The sugar processing systems in the body must be unable to handle the repeated decay and re-charging effects. Iodine is just the first of the Halogen's to begin showing up in children's bodies. Too bad all the Yttrium decay's before anyone can really detect it's effects. It's not even really decay because when it bonds with a halogen it re-charges. Add Bromine, Strontium and Yttrium. Pretty colors and a bit of fallout.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    We certainly will not have to cook any fish/lobsters anymore, since the heated ocean will do it for us.. 🙁

  • outsider

    How about bombing the plant, vaporize everything?

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      Turning it all into vapor does just that, it turns it into vapor. It does nothing to get rid of it. It just makes it that much easier for it to move about the planet.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    It is beyond apparent that the Japanese and U.S. governments do not care what their own people think. They do not care to act in the best interest of "we the people". It is all based on how much money they can either make or save. If you are wealthy they will do everything in their power to maintain that status quo, if you are poor, fuck you. I wonder how the people of Alaska, BC, Washington, Oregon, California, Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, and all the way down the line feel about the wealthy in Japan and the U.S. shitting in their food, water and air.

  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    Quit buying Japanese products. I'll bet the Chinese won't like Japan dumping all that shit into the Pacific ocean any more than the rest of us will. In fact, I could see China getting down right nasty about the whole affair.

    • RAY-D-8-TED-DREAMS

      Communist China has about 20 nuclear reactors either built or being built on the edge of the ocean exactly the way Fukushima is.

      http://www.jsm.or.jp/ejam/Vol.1.No.3/GA/6/EJAM1-3-GA6-Fig.1%28small%29_Sites_of_Nuclear_Power_Plants_in_China.png

      If you ever bought anything made in China you know what kind of crap they produce. And you must have read of the complete lack of safety and human health concerns they have when it comes to dumping pollutants in their rivers and the seas. These are the people who have put antifreeze in puppy and baby foods sold around the world. They use lead in all the dishes and drinking glasses they sell worldwide. they pour sewage and dump chemicals into the same rivers and ocean areas they farm fish in. They sell production line rejects on sites like ebay. They use millions of people as slaves in their factories and any politcal protestors get special treatment working 18 hour days 7 days a week until they stop breathing.

  • RAY-D-8-TED-DREAMS

    “Controlled discharge is a regular practice in all the nuclear facilities in the world.

    “Controlled discharge is a regular practice in all the nuclear facilities in the world."

    "CONTROLLED DISCHARGE IS A REGULAR PRACTICE IN ALL THE NUCLEAR
    FACILITIES IN THE WORLD"

    • Grampybone Grampybone

      Un – “Controlled discharge is a regular practice in all the nuclear facilities in the world."

      No good place to dump? Dump everywhere like a chimp in a cage. Solution to waste. Do it harder, faster and with more hateful vigor. Lie to the face of the Japanese public and ask for international assistance. The corruption manual for Japanese government officials is the size of Wikipidia.

  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    Lake Barrett should go and live at the plant where the "discharge" is planned, after all it is regular practice and no big deal. Maybe Lake could start using the groundwater for drinking water after all I am sure the levels are not "dangerous"

    All nuclear related activities everywhere needs to cease with the exception of x-rays.

    Also, watch how the spin factory will take the cargo of missing cobalt in Mexico, and use it as an excuse as to why radiation rates are rising on the West Coast.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDaV41Qyflo
    Peace-

  • SadieDog

    So does this mean I can stop recycling now?

    • ftlt

      Sadie: Recycling is a 1st world consumer feel good gimmick and joke… Screw it..

      Look at the plastic central pacific zone..

      See any film of any third world country and look at the packaging wasteland…

      Consumer packaging/materials of all products should be taxed – placed on it at point of production and transferred on to points of purchase – and should have 100% fair market refunding stream to end-use purchasers who recycle it back worldwide too…

      You sell it, you recycle center it should be the mantra..

      Take a toxic battery – it should have ""significant"" priced in recycle value that is 100% returnable upon recycling it as it's useful life ends…

    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      Heh heh. I saw somewhere someone said Fukushima is an ELE, get your affairs in order. Made me laugh. You get your affairs in order because most of others in your life will go on after you're gone and you want to make sure they get the stuff you want them to get. Or you want to make sure bills are paid so your kids or spouse don't have to fret.

      The one exception is a bucket list. The people trying to reinflate the credit bubble must be thrilled. Short term pay dirt for them.

  • IamtheWalrus IamtheWalrus

    My Letter to TEPCO,
    Dear Wonderful Men of Science,
    Thank you so much for your gift to the world, and more specifically to me and my family. We were so sick of the healthy normal cells that our body uses every day. I am so happy that you have provided a way for our genetic code to produce wonderful new cells, that are stronger and have a mind of their own. I can't wait to see what fun filled exciting adventures we will with the fun new mutations. When my spider powers kick in…….wait, you mean I won't get spider powers? I will just die a horrible, painful death? Oh. Well never mind then. Go make sweet, sweet love to yourselves you dirty dirty bastards.

  • bdais92

    How about expose the names of the people in charge at Tepco and other minions responsible for this cleanup that are fully failing to control their plant and its contaminated water. Lets start righting letters to THEM specifically …….
    Wheres ANANOYMOUS , when you need him….maybe he can dig for facts or inffluense TPTB to send help from every available country, anyone with useful knowledge or ability, and tell them the risks,there is a fix to this, We just need to find it,invent it, what ever needs to be done, brainstorm!
    Go with the KISS theory, Keep It Simple Stupid….. For every action, there a equal and opposite reaction, right??

  • Ontological Ontological

    We corporate mobsters/bankstas own you little people. You WILL like our radioactive overspill into the ocean, You WILL like our destruction of your planet and your lives. You Will like our new fascist laws. You WWLL NOT do anything about ANY of our ways of handling this matter SHEEPLE…Sound familiar as to the tune and tone of this ugly noise in our Human collective? Seems it was NOT alright to allow Hitler to do this, but it IS ok for the NWO to unleash the same lack of humanity on the people now. Where I am with all this pompous garbage is, we better stand up for any rights we may still have BRFORE they finish destroying all life on Earth. If we don't make a stand NOW we may never have that chance again! Those committing these crimes on Humanity will make many laws against doing it. Several world governments raised the bar on limits for radiation in our food water and air already so I would presume we have already lost the battle. We MUST NOT lose the war on the downfall and imprisonment of these monsters.

    • SadieDog

      Banks! Now you've hit the nail on the head.
      Corporations, medicine, countries, kings and queens, and yes the nuclear industry all kneel before their almighty dark overlords. The money makers.

  • Sol Man

    Never nuclear, wars, plying our shared earth with pesti/herbicides, frack chemicals. Our progeny need to live! What future?!

  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    I don't think there will be much difficulty in manufacturing public consent. The majority of the "public" seem willing to swallow anything fed to them by the authorities.

  • own_quality

    The cores will keep poisoning the pacific at ever increasing rates for all of our lifetimes.

  • zaner8 zaner8

    After the fact? yea, that was a tractor-trailer we let loose that ran you over. Lets collect the data, photos, and anyone, all to be archived permanently.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oops..repost…

    Tanaka:"You cannot keep storing the water forever. We have to make choice comparing all risks involved.”

    But can he answer this one?
    Then if the water can't be stored forever..and he knew about it..
    It might prove interesting to ask him..
    WHY they stored it in the first damn place?

    • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

      VERY good question, that. My theory – they have no idea what they're doing and are just pushing buttons random;y hoping it will fix something.

      SHLEPCO Henchman: "Hey Abe-san, this red lights flashing…"

      Abe: "What? So what's the problem?"

      Henchman: "Ummm… it won't stop"

      Abe: "Well, push those buttons. Maybe it'll stop then."

      Henchman: "Ummm… Abe-san, it's started flashing faster now…"

      (silence)

      Henchman: "Soooooo……."

      Abe: "Soooooo……."

      Henchman: "You know what to do?"

      Abe: "Nope. You?"

      Henchman: "I don't even work here, dude! I graduated in economics!"

      Abe: "Oh. Oh, okay then… Just thought that maybe, y'know, you knew what to do… It has been 3 years now."

      Henchman: "Hey, maybe we should call someone."

      Abe: "Yee~~~aah, no."

      Henchman: "That Gundersen-san seems to have some good ideas"

      Abe: (laughs heartily while putting on his plastic army helmet) "You're fired."

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Why?..a game..a show..a display of poor welding?

  • ManWithThePlan ManWithThePlan

    Tanaka states “You cannot keep storing the water forever. We have to make choice comparing all risks involved”. It's surprisingly easy to compare risks and to partake in risky decisions when the risk involves other people's hides and not your own. I think that the Fukushima mothers are just another pawn on the chessboard for these sociopaths. Their myopic 'world view' don't even seem to register the rest of the global population, i.e. people living in the Americas. Japanese politicians/elite are quite skilled at being generally disinterested in worldly affairs, and spend their meagre existence as man-babies living off the teat of hard-working people, not just in Japan. Those decision-makers are not men, they're castrated parasites (not sure if this is a conundrum or not).
    Look, I know that you want to solve this problem somehow, but why dump all of this garbage into this Pacific. Sooner or later, you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that you WILL end up spending a huge amount of your resources to combat this (if you aren't already), might as well spend it on getting Arnie a plane ticket to Japan, a good hotel room, and just hearing the man out (do they even know he exists? oh yeah, there was that whole issue with his book and Japanese border control, so yeah. They know). Hey, who knows? This option might just be cheaper then stubbornly banging your little fists down on the table and proclaiming that you have it under control, everything's fine, now…

  • We Not They Finally

    Or maybe the IAEA official can consider putting all the toxic water up his a__? I mean really. There are international laws against dumping this at sea in SHIPS, and technically they have a loophole here because they don't even have to bother with ships! They're "lucky enough" to be right on the coast.

    But this is honestly WORSE. It's the world's Pacific Ocean, you creepy immoral bastards! Dump it all over Japan! Get those poor PEOPLE out of there, but keep your damn water!

  • We Not They Finally

    And did the chairman of the Japan NRA even consider that maybe the REASON they "can't store the water forever" is that they can't store the damn water for more than a few short years because the tanks are sub-standard and are already falling apart!

  • We Not They Finally

    And did the chairman of the Japan NRA even consider that maybe the REASON they "can't store the water forever" is that they can't store the damn water for more than even a few short years because the tanks are sub-standard and are already falling apart?!

    Let him go live in Fukushima. Let them all go live there. They caused it, let THEM suffer the consequences. And do everything they can to keep the water OUT of the Pacific. Let them bear their own cross. They have no right to poison the world.

    • The discussions here show clearly that the safety problem of nuclear fuel cycles is just too difficult to solve: There is no solution to the nuclear waste problem.Hence nuclear energy or weapons should have been outlawed in the beginning. We are but now here and we must start from here. Good people all join hands, put your brains together and figure out the way ahead:
      1. Build no more nukes.
      2. Wind down modern civilization by decommissioning self destructive ways of "living" like meeting water needs by dams.
      Practice conservation.
      3. Figure out the safest method of storage of nuclear wastes from generation to generation after dams have been eliminated to the maximum extent feasible. This will minimise damage to shut down nukes and their interim storages.Similarly with thermal power. For example Amory Lovins has a way of meeting energy needs with 75% of thermal power plant capacity shut down and using energy conservation methods as fully as possible.
      4. Let us harmonise with nature to achieve zero cost living(by practicing return to nature of all things taken from her) and not have a parallel economy whose costs perpetually go up because of extractive mining and manufactures and waste generation.

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