Asahi TV: “Unbelievable” — If Unit 4 pool gets a crack from quake and leaks, it would be end for Tokyo -Expert — Doesn’t have to be large tremor, already shaken many times (VIDEO)

Published: March 10th, 2012 at 3:47 am ET
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Title: Expert Warns: “If Unit 4 Collapsed, That Would Be the End”
Source: “Morning Bird” by TV Asahi
Uploaded by: tokyobrowntabby
Date Aired: Mar 8, 2012
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Most discussion of the No. 4 spent fuel pool has focused on an earthquake causing the pool to collapse. This video is different because it reveals:

  1. A crack, rather than the collapse of the pool itself, can be the end of Tokyo
  2. The quake that could put a crack in the pool and be the end of Tokyo does not have to be a large one
  3. The sense of shock when people in Japan are made aware of this information for the first time

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You may think it’s “already one year” [since the accident] but it’s actually “still only one year.”

True cause of the Fukushima Daiichi accident still hasn’t been identified.

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Still, they are talking about resuming the operation of nuclear plants.

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But is the accident over? Is it really over? For example, Unit 4. In fact, Dr. Koide of Kyoto University is worried about it most.

The present conditions of Unit 4 are like this. You see, almost no walls. They were blown off, and honestly speaking, the Unit 4 is a wreck. A wreck.

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Now, what if an earthquake occurred right now and the water in the pool started to leak?

I asked this question to Dr. Koide. Please watch this video.

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If a large aftershock occurred and the wall here collapsed, the water in the pool would leak out and the spent fuel would not be cooled any more. Then, they would start to melt, probably completely. And huge amount of radiation contained in the spend fuel would be released outside, with no walls to block it.

We’ll never know when an earthquake comes.

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the fuel rods, which are probably damaged to some degree

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What if a destructive earthquake occurred during those years?

That would be the end. The end? Yes.

You see, that would be the end.

Unbelievable…unbelievable.

This is a serious problem.

TEPCO knows dealing with this problem is most important for now.

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So if a large earthquake should occur from now until that January…

No, it doesn’t have to be large. Unit 4 has been shaken many times already.

If the pool got cracks after another earthquake and the water started to leak out, Dr. Koide said that would be the end.

The end for a wide area including Tokyo.

Oh my, and they are talking about resuming nuclear plant operation.

I think resuming the operation is out of the question at least until the results from the investigation by NAIIC come out.

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I want them to let us vote again.

They talk about resuming the operation after gaining understanding from local communities. But for this issue, I think the whole country of Japan, or the whole area including the neighboring countries, is a “local community” that would be affected. We should keep in mind that it’s not only the sites of the plants that should be considered as “local communities.”

We should recognize the accident is far from over and the crisis is still ongoing.

Yes. And excuse me, I have a correction to make. Retrieving the fuel rods is planned to start not from January, but from…when? December next year? (Yes.)

December next year? No kidding!

Sorry, I took a too-favorable view.

The members of the Diet who want to resume, I want them to resign.

We need to reconsider this issue.

I want to know the exact names of the members of the Diet who want to resume, and ask them for their opinions.

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View the video and transcript here

Published: March 10th, 2012 at 3:47 am ET
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263 comments to Asahi TV: “Unbelievable” — If Unit 4 pool gets a crack from quake and leaks, it would be end for Tokyo -Expert — Doesn’t have to be large tremor, already shaken many times (VIDEO)

  • iso-tope iso-tope

    If they (TEPCO and the Japanese Government) had any sense at all, they would already be transferring the fuel out of this pool in to storage, now. Contain this risk and the building, lower the radiation and the risk. It's not a local problem anymore, with the possible global impact for the world. There IS a way to do this and solve this problem. But time the critical factor. Aftershocks and Earthquakes rumble through the area on a daily basis. All it takes is one further accident…


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  • vital1

    Whenever the enenews Fukushima webcam discussion forum regular watchers where debating if SP4 was on fire in January and February 2012 about 8 or more days later I and others in Australia and New Zealand would detected high levels of radiation.

    http://sccc.org.au/archives/2517

    http://sccc.org.au/archives/2490

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q74OAsV2yPU

    My opinion is that SP4 caught fire a few times around late December 2011 / early January 2012 and in February 2012. My suggestion is that SP4 caught fire after a significant earthquake events happened close to the Fukushima Nuclear plant.

    Also at the time people in North America and Europe detected large spikes in radiation levels. Archlight posted some great video recordings of the Europeans events. He managed to video capture some of the European monitoring stations data that hadn't been edited.

    If you go and look at older posts in the enenews radiation monitoring data forum and webcam forum for January and February, you will see strong evidence suggesting SP4 was at least on fire a couple of times.

    ———————————————————
    Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is
    quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf (or create your own), hand it out, mailbox it, or email it.

    Put it everywhere, libraries, notice boards, web pages, forums, Facebook,
    and tweet! Think outside the box.

    http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf


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  • vital1

    My opinion, SP4 has became a multiple ton nuclear nightmare mess in a cracked containment.

    So how do you remove that?

    or

    Maybe Elvis has left the building.


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  • iso-tope iso-tope

    how about they just clear away the debris from the pool, forget fixing the old crane inside of the building or any OLD method…. Use a new water filled external container with a lid to START to transfer the fuel rods out, even if slowly and one by one with the existing cranes they can use, use some Boron. I like Joys idea of using a GEL. This would be better than going by their snails pace "schedule" of December 2013 to start extraction and hoping nothing happens until then. They still do not get the urgency of this situation and what can be done with the equipment and experienced people… They just don't have a clue.


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  • Prof. Neutron

    I have said this from the beginning. It is, was, and will be the greatest threat to Japan that Fukushima presents. I have not posted on these threads for many months because Unit 4 is the only real imminent threat, and it is too easy to have one's attention diverted by everything else going on at F1. (And at F2 for that matter.)

    For the record and those who don't remember me I am a professor of physics (high energy particle physics) in the US. I am not a shill.

    The real issue is that from an engineering perspective this is a nearly intractable problem. There is no containment – between you and hundreds of tons of spent and fresh fuel is just some water, and air, and time. Ask yourself – what is the next step with the Unit 4 spent fuel pool? What has been done in the past year except to fill it with water and hope for the best? What happens if it fails catastrophically?

    In fact, in a sense, it is only a matter of time. Tick, tock.


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    i may be revealing my ignorance here but, would the world be saved by……..blowing up sfp4 before it falls or cracks open? one large and well placed missile? will it burn……less? will it polute less? I mean, it will surely be really, really ugly anyway, so could it be less ugly to blow it up good? seemed to help with sfp3. then tepco could just pretend to clean it up and job done.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Another conversation about reactor 4…
    Mr.Casto: We've looked and to our best estimate–who knows who is right you know?
    It could be partially whatever.
    I mean, you know, we don't know,and—and our best guess–our best estimate after looking at the imaging at 7:30 this morning is there is no Unit 4 spent fuel pool.
    Pg.54
    http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1205/ML12052A109.pdf


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  • If anyone can get TEPCO's attention send them to http://www.ceramiccementcorp.com They have a proven ceramic cement called CXZ which can be used the encapsulate Fukushima disaster site.This non portland cement is patented and known and published.

    The real challenge might be the tradition of "saving face" so important in some cultures. Lets be frank – the world will forgive a mistake the world will perish if the mistake continues.

    If anyone can help please do so. Radiation travels far and the whole planet is in peril.


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  • RutherfordsGhost

    Well, that's actually rather simple. You need to buid a big gantry, shielded, and start unloading fuel and scrap into big stainless drums, which you rail road out of there.
    You use robotics, and people.
    As the Japanese government has demostrated, people are expendable – so you may as well use them – right? Silly Japanese!

    Then you bring in bulldozers, diggers, screens and a rock crusher, and you slurry EVERYTHING at Fukushima into a paste, and pipe it all away for chemical reprocessing and storage. You then dig a big whole in the ground, put everything neatly in it – and pour concrete over the top … and forget about it for a million years.
    That's how you clean up Fukushima. Large scale mining technology, and chemical processing. Bug Time!
    You don't clean it up like they did at Chernobyl, or what these Nips are doing at the moment.
    Japan is killing everyone – and no one in Japan is doing anything to fix the problem!!


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  • Madmox

    "Nips"… you're an A-hole, don't waste my time racist scum, go away.


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    • Kevin Kevin

      You are of course absolutely right to be upset by the racist slur Madmox (cool nicname by the way Madmox I like that!) I have never seen anything like that on these pages and I and I am sure everyone else here has zero tolerance for that.

      That said, the basic premise the poster forwards is legitimate, which suggests to me the author may not be just a simple troll working to discredit the site. A warning is in order.

      With that also said, we also have to keep in mind that considerable racism still exists in North America as a reminant of the second world war. At the time there was an exhaustive and repugnant hate propaganda campaign undertaken to have Americans in particular view Japanese people as subhuman. It was necessary for the nuke freaks to do their experiments in Nagasake and Hiroshima. Those two catastrophic nuclear events were absolutely unnecessary, had nothing to do with "winning" the war and in effect essentially marked the beginning of the cold war. The exercise was done to strike fear in the hearts of the next enemy the propaganda for the cold war was about to begin to agitate. The poor people of Japan were nuked as an example not in order to secure victory for the allied forces of the second world war. This is significant because it marked the beginning of the arms race which was essentially the purpose of the "cold war" and the ultimate driving force of nuclear power. It is clear that nuclear power was never an objective but rather a means to an end, which involved the mass proliferation of the nuclear armaments. Nuclear power was a "scam" devised to get buy in with the people to develop plutonium for warheads. It is eneconimical, it is zero sum game with no upside, that is even before you consider the albotross the waste hangs on the necks of our proginy. This was the vital turning point which unleased the nuclear nightmare on humanity.


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      • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

        There is some racism left in N. America, but as RutherfordsGhost says in another post, he's from New Zealand. I don't mind taking the rap for something I've done, but not taking a racist rap for RG. America's got enough issues….leave that one in New Zealand.


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        • Kevin Kevin

          The intent was not to lay any rap on anyone or any nation poordaddy. The point was to underscore how the nuclear cabal itself is in fact responsible for such racism. Their campaign of hate against Japanese people was done in order for American people to swallow the use of nuclear armaments.

          I thought the disgusting irony was worth making note of.


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  • charlie3

    Madmox, his use of dated slang for the Nipponese may be offensive, but his suggestion for ameliorating the mess at fukushima is as practical as any that I have heard of so far.


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  • Madmox

    I hope you're not defending such wakefulness, any validity his post had was lost the moment he used a racial slur. Just needed to check it. I don't come to this site, nor do I think others do, to feel ashamed…


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  • vital1

    Containing the Fukushima Nuclear Disaster is going to take a worldwide concerted engineering effort.

    It should not be, or have been left to the Japanese alone.

    The engineering effort to do this should have started as quickly a possible 12 months ago.

    This didn't happen and this shows very poor leadership by world leaders.

    They have all been silent.

    Not one of the world governments have informed their citizens how to protect themselves.

    The only thing governments have put and effort into in the last 12 months has been to deceive their citizens.

    This says a lot about the present quality and priorities of our leadership.


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  • Madmox

    Hatefulness, that is…


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  • vital1

    The world should have offered to take the Japanese who needed refuge if the Japanese government could not cope.

    It is criminal to have left millions of Japanese men, women and children in contaminated zones when they should have been evacuated.

    This evacuation should still be a priority.

    We all are brothers and sisters living on a small space ship called Earth.


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  • Kevin Kevin

    Vital 1 "The world should have offered to take the Japanese who needed refuge if the Japanese government could not cope"

    America has 19 million empty homes.

    China has entire "ghost cities" that could be home to untold millions, yet the entire cities remain empty including shopping malls.

    War is hell as they say, and Japanes people in China would never fly as a result.

    Its been a century of non stop war, and has warfare has metamorphasized over the century its hard to distinguish, except for the casualties.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    I see someone has tried to used racism to derail the thread.
    I'm glad to see it isn't working.
    This article is about being witness to a group of people.. hearing news that will change their lives of themselves and their fellow countrymen.
    They deserve respect and compassion.
    This is the face of human suffering.
    This is something… the populace has gotten used to seeing..until the suffering becomes their own.
    Then..then…they understand.
    It has been a great mistake ..by the human race..to spend it's time on this paradise called earth…grovelling over differences like race and religion.with little or no sense of commonality and empathy for their fellow human…
    …a great,great mistake.
    I thank the Japanese press for pushing onward as they have.
    As painful as it is …it must be done..


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    • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

      Thanks for that Heart. Radiation is color blind.


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      • NoNukes NoNukes

        Heart of the Rose,

        This thread got what, about 8,000 views yesterday, and closing in on 3,000 already today? So, I bet you are right, throwing racism in here to attempt to derail it.

        There are somewhere around 90 United States military bases in Japan. To pretend that the Japanese people are somehow, alone, responsible for what is happening is an absurd INJUSTICE to the first victims of this deadly poison.

        Because of the Cold War, countries all over the world have the ability to detect the truth about the radiation releases from Fukushima, yet they all ended their public reporting after Clinton went to Japan last year. As the transcript points out, of course they knew.

        Heart of the Rose
        March 10, 2012 at 11:55 am · Reply
        ..somehow…Unit one was supposed to be stable.by this point (???)
        I thought this was an interesting conversation..including a discussion of Unit 4.
        http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1205/ML12052A105.pdf
        Pg.273..onwards..

        Heart of the Rose
        March 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm · Reply
        PS. Pg.40…Here enters the "Clinton" team.
        Same doc as above.
        For all of those that don't believe..she knows.
        She knows….oh yes..she does…

        Of course, the problem is beyond Clinton and Obama, it is worldwide. There are so many politicians, labs, scientists, journalists, secretaries, etc., that have information internationally, it is hard to comprehend how they can remain quiet.

        For example, is there not ONE whistleblower at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration who can warn at least the Pacific Rim about how uranium and plutonium can be transported by the ocean as well as the air?

        http://www.enviroreporter.com/2012/03/the-endless-bummer/


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        • StillJill StillJill

          NoNukes,…..I can still see that smug little smile creep across Hill's face during that visit! I can see the Japanese style chair she was perching her fat arse on,…sitting slightly sideways,…smiling at the camera,…LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO our eyes,…and 'sealing her own fate'!!! (As well as about 1.75 billion others) The bible says 1/4 of the earth will die.


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          • NoNukes NoNukes

            StillJill,

            You are such a fabulous writer, you can really paint an image!

            There are thousands of job listings for online "social media" positions, which could help fund a journey to the Southern Hemisphere.

            Since "social glue" flows from your keyboard as if by magic, I think that you could build a successful online empire, while still posting here too, of course!


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  • iso-tope iso-tope

    exactly.. This problem is a global one and the more people realise we are ALL the same people as one on a planet, not divided by race, color, creed, religion or anything else for that matter, the more we can help each other as ONE people. And that is what this may take global co-operation to solve this crisis.


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  • CaptD CaptD

    Here is one scientific report that spreads some truth:

    Radionuclides from the Fukushima accident in the air over Lithuania
    http://is.gd/fzc4Wu

    Worth saving to disc…


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Another view of reactor 4..and an anniversary dedication.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVrMlBS50s


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  • shiverca shiverca

    I'm sure some engineer's can figure out a way though it looks incredibly difficult!

    Are they even sure the pool is structurally sound enough to not collapse?

    I don't think so.


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  • Centaur Centaur

    Video deleted… "they did it again" -.-


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