Battle to control Fukushima has just ‘stored up’ dangers – Asia – World – The Independent
- The rush to bring the plant under control is storing up complex problems, according to Tomohiko Suzuki, who spent a month working at the plant during the summer and has released a book this week about his experiences
- “The question is, can they maintain this temperature for years and years? I believe the problems there are just starting”
- Nuclear experts say the state of the molten fuel is still uncertain, with some speculating that the government is preparing to build a giant concrete “nappy” underneath the complex to stop radioactive substances leaking into the ground
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So, concrete underground containment, sounds good –what about the OCEAN side containment. Or the AIR containment. Sounds like “save some of Japan”–send it to the rest of the world. The rest of the world needs to “share” equally with Japan….
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About time they did something! Can they mold an artificial land mass adjacent to or under the natural bedrock to hold the concrete? Reinforce the artificial mass with steel beams, just like birds reinforcing their nests with twigs (beams) and mud (concrete).
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I highly doubt the Japanese gov’t or Tepco are going to do anything. On EX-SKF, it was said the Japanese government has declared cold shut down. Also, NISA said there has been zero leaks from the plant. They reasoned that since it was an emergency situation that any water that escaped or is escaping is not to be considered leaking into the ocean. Some amazing logic there. The fact the government declared Fukushima over means they can end many evacuation zones so they don’t have to pay the poor people who have to return any money. Also, by saying it’s over they don’t have to worry about containment or a solution to the problem. They are rewriting the definition of words and producing technicalities to avow themselves of any responsibility. So, there is no way, in my opinion, that the gov’t or Tepco is going to be trying ANY form of containment within the foreseeable future.
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@Bones,
Glad you mentioned this.
Everyone should read EX-SKFs’ articles from the 15 of Dec.
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http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/12/as-noda-declares-fukushima-accident.html
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HP has declared it too http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/japan-nuclear-crisis-cold-shutdown_n_1152889.html
Makes me sick. What a Lap Dog
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@Whoopie…Sorry ..after all your hard work..HP proves it’s true colors…worthless.
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Everybody…EVERYBODY on that thread is calling them out. I was shocked to see this headline this a.m.
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Dear Whoopie,
With this statement they have cut their own heads.
And people in Japan – do not believe them! Make your own choices!
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Dear PW
My mind is reeling this morning. This PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt, the industry has the media by the balls. I dont see how they can report this with a straight face. I’m horrified this morning, what else can i say.
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Dr.Mccoy what’s it all about? You sound like you lost a fight with Mr. Spok. Logic has nothing to do with it. You can’t kill an Inebrian blood worm with cadets. There is a saying on earth,” don’t send a boy to do man’s job.” Now, that fixes it, they have wasted all of this time and the thing is hotter than a goat coming down from the mountain. There is just no time any more, and the damn things going to blow.
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@Bones [and others]
This looks to me a bit like a left hand, right hand situation with all the woodworms coming out of the rotted furniture, each hoping to distract attention from its own part in the calamity.
Blame game, Thieves Fall Out syndrome.
Left hand says: all cold shut down, de-evacuate, life back 2 normal
Right hand says: let’s dig this hole baby, and get nukeboy nappied
As Harry Hill says to his UK viewers – only one way to find out – FIGHT!!
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A diaper you say?….cold shut down…..yet the PM of Japan has pooped himself…..hummmmm..
Well what I say is…good luck with that.
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Hmmm, Fuku is so fucking old, they better get Depends!
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PS.The nuclear experts sound more like daycare workers.
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“speculating that the government is preparing to build a giant concrete “nappy””
I speculate that we will do a lot of speculation about their speculation.
Anyway, the “nappy” metaphor sounds very cute and cuddly and helps make the problem seem manageable – good PR move from the Bad Guys.
To continue with that metaphor though, what (exactly) will they do when their nappy becomes soiled? Where will they dump the dump? Will they wash it in the ocean?…
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Its a step in the right direction, if in fact, they are going to do this. I reserve the view that they are too cheap to dedicate the funds for this undertaking. It is hard to shake the idea that money is everything, especially if this is your only frame of reference.
It doesn’t begin to address the contamination of the world’s water supply, which I believe is and has been ongoing. The inference that they need to be “prepared” for excessive amounts of radioactive water is a pipe dream, it is already leaching into the ocean continuously, and any move to stop this would be ending, not preventing. Hence the urgency to move on this. How long will a continuous flow of radioactivity into the pacific take before our water supply is completely compromised? If we don’t get moving; about the same amount of time it takes to seal it off, I would guess. Bearing in mind that the BP fiasco has already polluted a nice percentage. I wonder how radioactivity reacts with the various compounds that they used to break up the oil? Takes me back to my Deep Purple days.
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“the idea that money is everything”
It gets messy. While there might be some volunteer cleanup workers, most demand premium pay to take the risks. The water storage tanks must be paid for, otherwise the company that makes them will go bankrupt and be unable to pay its workers so they can feed themselves, blah blah.
Without money to provide at least the illusion of voluntary participation, society would have to persuade and/or coerce thousands (millions?) of people to do their part in the crisis. The world would have to wake up to the issue, figure out rapidly what to do, and do it without being paid. Money is simpler as an enabling agent, for better or worse – it’s what we’ve got.
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aigeezer: sad, but true, nobody seems prepared to abandon the monetary system in favour of a “life enhancing” one.
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What happens when you mix corexit with strontium-90? It reminds me of when I had a chemistry set as a kid. Only now it’s the planet’s oceans instead of a test tube.
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Note to you…..Japanese government..later when your people start to fall ill…when you need the media to take your plea out to the world…and you will..you will not be heard.
Like those in government that fell in line with the BP’s ..BS story of fixing the well..they deceived their people and now their people
suffer in silence.
So will yours….
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+ 1
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BP is short for British Petroleum. Their people aren’t suffering from spill.
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“Its a step in the right direction, if in fact, they are going to do this. I reserve the view that they are too cheap to dedicate the funds for this undertaking. It is hard to shake the idea that money is everything, especially if this is your only frame of reference.”
The big joke of Nature is that all of us are made of the same prone to decay material that has nothing to do with gold, they are so fond of!
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TEPCO is very infantile…
Like a child holding a toy clearly broken and declaring it is not.
Even by minimal visual analysis..structural damage is too great…for a cold shut down…
FIRST you have to have CONTAINMENT.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/MsMilkytheclown#p/u/7/N72G8p3Vj3U
Nice illustration of your words
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@pure water..thanks for this post…MsMilky rocks….
We know a clown parade when we see one…
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From Ex-SKF
US Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Nides, who is in Japan, held a press conference on December 16 and disclosed that he had been informed by Foreign Minister Genba on December 15 that Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant had achieved a cold shutdown state. “We at the US government are very happy to hear the news. We believe the Japanese government has made the right choice toward recovery.” Regarding the massive decontamination work that will be needed, he said “Many US companies are interested in taking part, and our government has offered assistance”, indicating the continued support for the recovery from the nuclear accident.
HOLY COW – this is what the whole NRC dog and pony was about. Oblama wanted the State Department to announce US aid to Japan, and he probably wanted the NRC to participate in the announcement. I bet Jazco refused, because he knew he was committing a felony doing it.
So they the stooge Nides to do the criminal act. No statement from Oblama or Clinton, just “many US companies are interested in taking part. I want that list of companies – those are the companies the world should boycott..
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Interesting theme, James2.
I don’t find your NRC analysis convincing because the Dems vigorously supported Jaszko, and Obama is a Dem. The ‘publicans came out strongly against Jaszko. Your analysis appears to put Obama in the ‘publican camp.
Your “list of companies” meme interests me – I think you are onto something there.
The alleged quote from Nides “… We believe the Japanese government has made the right choice toward recovery” baffles me completely.
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bad wording…. a diaper has to be exchanged when full of fuku—–
hard to do that on a radiating plant
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you can by an enenews concrete diaper on the link above!! we need to get that link out !!… youve missed delivery by christmas though
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It’s incredulous to think that they are going to equip workers with radioactive protective underwater gear to dig under the plant, because that is what they’ll find below the plant, radioactive water. How they plan on laying a concrete pad beneath the plant to catch the leak, something they can’t achieve, is beyond me.
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Where is Dav Pilkey when you need him?
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it’s a little late for the bedpan.
what is needed now is a mop and a nose plug.
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A concrete diaper, huh. Right. That’ll work. NOT!
The cores have already melted thru 8″ of stainless and two layers of concrete yards thick ! Concrete diaper? Get real.
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They will be pumping concrete and boron until the enamel melts from their teeth and the skin drips from one bones, stopping what’s to come, impossible. Created very concentrated death, they have.
Please NO NUKES!
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