Inside Sources: Fukushima crisis “actually far worse than anyone acknowledged… information withheld to prevent panic” – Professor: “Level of radiation was far worse than Navy officers anticipated” – US gov’t shredded documents for 4 days while drawing up plans to evacuate Japan — “Somebody was obviously very worried”

Published: April 5th, 2014 at 5:51 pm ET
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Japan Times, Jeff Kingston of Temple Univ., Apr. 4, 2014: Kyle Cleveland, my colleague [...] recently published a report […] a critical, but nuanced picture of a crisis that was closer to careening out of control than is generally acknowledged. […] Naval officers […] discovered the level of radiation was far worse than they anticipated. Radiation gauges on the [USS Reagan] measured levels of radiation at 100 nautical miles off the coast that were 30 times greater than normal. [Sailors report] significant health problems due to exposure to radiation […] Cleveland finds that there was considerable disagreement between various U.S. agencies about the severity of the risk […] Given that the U.S. government expanded the exclusionary zone in Fukushima to 80 km and developed contingency plans for a massive evacuation while shredding of documents continued for four days at the U.S. Embassy and military bases in Japan, somebody was obviously very worried. […] Some of his insider sources tell him that the crisis was actually far worse than anyone acknowledged at the time and that information was withheld to prevent a panic. Cleveland concludes that Japan’s nuclear reactors should not be restarted.

Professor Kyle Cleveland, Temple University Japan: “[The navy was] more risk averse than either the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) or State, and from day one was ringing alarms that were not entirely understood, not completely validated and not well received by the NRC and State. The navy was pushing the other federal agencies to take more aggressive actions because their radiation measurements were indicating dose rates that were more significant than what was implied by the abstract modeling […]”

Unidentified US Nuclear Expert: “Without a qualitatively different regulatory system, and in light of how Japan/Tepco responded to this crisis, Japan has not earned the right to have nuclear energy. No critically minded and informed person can evaluate this disaster and look at how Japan has responded in the aftermath and have any confidence that Japan will use nuclear energy safely. In the most seismically active country [...] even if Japan had a robust regulatory structure and thoroughly integrated crisis protocols, nature conspires against the best-laid-plans of human institutions. And what Japan has is certainly not the best plan by any measure.”

See also: Anonymous U.S. Gov’t Nuclear Expert: Fukushima radiation levels were “astronomical… nothing containing release of radioactivity, it’s an unmitigated, unshielded number”

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  • Obvious Obvious

    NRC .. FAIL
    Obama .. FAIL
    JGov .. FAIL
    JAEA .. FAIL
    IAEA .. FAIL
    And I will even go as far as to say

    OECD .. FAIL
    World Bank .. FAIL
    All banks loaning money to nuclear .. FAIL
    United Nations .. FAIL
    Nuclear Industry At Large .. FAIL

    All responsible parties ought hang your heads in absolute shame and be hauled off to jail for crimes against humanity


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  • Max Sievert Max Sievert

    Why they wrote "Unidentified US Nuclear Expert"? his name is Kyle CLEVELAND, he got a Ph.D. in Sociology and nothig else . http://www.tuj.ac.jp/newsite/main/undergrad/about_tuj/faculty/kyle_cleveland.html


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    • Obvious Obvious

      The point is: US regulatory and perhaps other staff shredded documents pertinent to the seriously critical nuclear event in Fukushima Japan (not to forget that Monju may have spread MOX+ around the world prior to 311). Don't distract from the legal point which requires serious review by human rights and Navy sailor lawyers and others who may wish to join in lawsuits against the culprits.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        hate to tell you, Obvious, but when you submit those indictments, that shredders just gonna start humming away. These governments have zero concern for either citizenry or those who serve them. They're simply yuke-it-up on the way to the bank! We're three years into this any absolutely no laws (existing or otherwise) have been imposed on the international criminal network that brought this about. When today's ENENEWS comments are summarized for review by the guys upstairs, there's gonna be a lotta laughter when they come across yours…


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        • Obvious Obvious

          You are obviously not of the right mind, thought, or intent.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            well, may I'll join you and yours in one big hands around the world. We'll think happy thoughts…


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            • ENENews

              Max Sievert, I've been familiar with Cleveland since the recent STS Forum. Very solid researcher and writer. Thanks for trying to help, though reading through the article in the Japan Times makes it clear this quote is not by Cleveland, but from an unnamed 'American nuclear expert'… Any article that gets featured on ENE is read many times to make sure the most relevant excerpts are not missed. Once the excerpts to be used are identified, I read those excerpts several more times to determine a headline. There may be a spelling mistake in a headline every now and then, though I'm quite confident the comprehension is correct after reading through the excerpts around a dozen times by the time the post are made public.

              I'll paste the JT excerpt for those interested: "Cleveland concludes that Japan’s nuclear reactors should not be restarted. As one American nuclear expert told him, “…No critically minded and informed person can evaluate this disaster and look at how Japan has responded in the aftermath and have any confidence that Japan will use nuclear energy safely. And in the most seismically active country in the world, even if Japan had a robust regulatory structure and thoroughly integrated crisis protocols, nature conspires against the best-laid-plans of human institutions. And what Japan has is certainly not the best plan by any measure."


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    • SadieDog

      If you read the article, Cleveland is quoting an unknown nuclear professional. And a dumb one at that.


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  • Dick Shenary

    Obvious,

    If what you say is so obvious, why is the whole world so blind?


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  • arclight2 arclight2

    last repost
    http://nuclear-news.net/2014/04/05/australian-nuclear-lobby-manipulates-the-internet-the-liberal-partys-nuclear-dreams-the-strange-case-of-dr-john-white-and-ignite/

    this explains monbiots attack on busby
    http://nuclear-news.net/2014/04/05/the-cuban-twitter-scam-is-a-drop-in-the-internet-propaganda-bucket/

    HAve you seen where Alps has gone anyone? bloody waste of time and money..

    http://nuclear-news.net/2014/04/05/adieu-free-speech-in-nuclear-france-areva-rules/

    In line with Japans secrecy laws and the Trans Pacific treaty and trans atlantic treaties coopyright laws (know you can see whu they NEED copyright laws and how they are getting around the opposition)

    http://nuclear-news.net/2014/03/09/the-uk-follows-japan-in-determining-extent-of-nuclear-transparency-by-extending-secrecy-and-protecting-corruption/

    qiuck mispelling so you know its me :)
    and this is the tip of the iceburg – ref Glen greenwald and friends

    sorry about the multi link admin but they are a natural (not that i ususally gamble)

    peace to all the enenewsers and keep the faith.. we are winning imo

    just have to bust decommissioning by melting in nitric acid (causes NO2 pollution)

    downwind from la hague and sellafield and we get this data to get the ball rolling….

    http://nuclear-news.net/2013/04/28/supreme-court-hears-our-case-on-uks-illegal-air-pollution/
    wonder where all the nitrogen is coming from?

    peace


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    • name999 name999

      ice wall is another waste of $. Who supervises these children in charge?


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    • Cisco Cisco

      arclight2…"HAve you seen where Alps has gone anyone? bloody waste of time and money."

      Not for EnergySolutions and Toshiba. They cleaned up on the deal; because, it was not a pay for performance contract, just like all these other scumbag government sucking contractors. The only guarantee these folks offer is cost overruns, "cleanup" not so much. Hell, they all know they can't clean it up.

      Fukushima to the nuclear crowd is the financial opportunity of the century…trillions will ultimately be spent. It's all about the money. It's always about the money.

      The costs on this clusterfu#k will rival the costs of any war to date. Sadly, the cost of human lives will be more than all the wars combined. It is the beginning of the end of us and them.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    US Navy found out we here in the USA should have just stuck to shredding evidence. Were ALL to blame over this with so many countries in violation of the rather sketchy nuke laws, and regulations.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    We "all" will "pay" dearly too! :(


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  • weeman

    , Japan has not earned the right to have nuclear energy. No critically minded and informed person can evaluate this disaster and look at how Japan has responded in the aftermath and have any confidence that Japan will use nuclear energy safely.
    Im luvin it, good one squire.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      question is, weeman, have ANY earned the right to this technology?! I can take a step in any direction of the world and find crass violations of the public trust and environmental crimes. What makes anyone think the Japanese are any more incompetent than any others that think they can control nuclear power? Is it because the Japanese are at a loss to come up with any solutions to Fukushima? Well then, any other nation who thinks they've the means to fix this mess, please step one step forward…


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      • whatamessa

        EXACTLY…LOOK HOW THE U.S. is handling W.I.P.P. among others!


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      • m a x l i

        Spot on, AFTERSHOCK! I'm surprised that no one else brought this up earlier. That the until now biggest nuclear catastrophe in history happened in Japan and nowhere else is purely random. There is no reason to assume that the handling of such a catastrophe would be any better in any other country.

        That opinion "No critically minded and informed person can [...] have any confidence that Japan will use nuclear energy safely" expressed by someone from a country which dropped two A-bombs on Japan is especially patronising.

        We will hear this putting all the blame on Japan more often. They will try to amputate on leg (Japan) in order to save the patient (the nuclear industry).

        The lesson to learn from Fukushima (for those who were uninformed on the topic or need a shock therapy to grasp anything at all) is to phase out nuclear power generation EVERYWHERE very quickly, in a matter of days, not years!


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      • weeman

        Answer is, no, Aftershock, don't screw with what you do not full comprehend or control, always been my stance.


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      • We Not They Finally

        No one should be using this technology at all. "Atoms for Peace" was a sham in the first place and that's never changed.

        It's not "a right," and no one has "earned" it. It's a travesty against all of Mankind in ANYONE'S hands.


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    • itsanuclearwar

      The US DOE is calling the shots in Japan/Fuku and have been since day one. The blame should fall on the US and TPTB.


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  • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

    Associate Professor
    Kyle CLEVELAND, Ph.D.

    Sociology
    Temple University
    Japan Campus

    He currently teaches the courses Sociology of Race and Racism and Ideology and Social Changes in Japan.

    Cleveland's research interests focus on Japanese popular culture and ethnic identity in relation to globalization and social changes in contemporary Japan.

    To his credit, he wrote about the US govt bureaucracy in terms of the many conflicting agendas about the realities vs delusions about Fuku.

    His academic skills fit with what he wrote about, as he was not addressing technical issues, per se.

    Why the title of Unidentified Nuclear Expert happened is a mystery, because he certainly is not.

    The See Also sub-link also makes reference to Anonymous source which turns out to be a good paper by Prof Cleveland also, so by no means Anonymous. Very misleading link title, for what ever reason.

    I think that the story at
    http://japanfocus.org/-Kyle-Cleveland/4075
    is a great rabbit hole for ene readers.

    It reads like all of Watergate/IranContra/JFK/Enron as Fuku all condensed in to about 10 pages of "OMFG, we were right all along…in fact…it is worse than we had estimated." in terms of how most of us here have processed the available data on Fuku.


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  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    Good to see the gloves coming off. Now, will it do any good? This kind of malfeasance drives people away from government so we wind up with psychos in charge. I'm sure there are some officers on the Ronald Reagan that have seen enough to quit out of frustration.

    So why have an EPA or a NRC if they are doing the opposite of what they are funded to do? It's worse than insane…….


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  • Jebus

    If you read the article correctly, the "Unidentified US Nuclear Expert" references "As one American nuclear expert told him,"…

    The tone of this seems to elicit that the worst has passed.

    With radionuclide contamination lasting thousands of years, and uncontained releases to this day, day 1121, each day adds to the sum total of this disaster.

    It will never be over, Fukushima is forever…


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Shredded documents or not, our governments are letting nuclear thrive and exterminate life.

    Not doing their job, at all. Not even testing the ocean.


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    • probably has something to do with our government & the UN playing GOD, with weather modification programs & geo-engineering. do some research on HAARP high frequency active auroral research program, HAMP hurrican aerosol metaphyscis program, weather warfare, SRM solar radiation management, SAG stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering. read section 8 to see how much tax $$ we are spending every year on weather mods at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109GJfELh::, how about some sulphur & aerosol injection at http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1351466&HistoricalAwards=false, or prof. david keith talking about dumping 500K tons of aluminum nano particulates into the air http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7mjw50xB_A. the new name for the global warming scam is climate change. do you wonder what all those persistent, lingering trails left by jets are? they ARE NOT condensation trails. http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org.


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      • Runningonlove Runningonlove

        Thank you Lindy for the links. One can only shudder at the unforeseen,
        unaknowledged interactions going on now, between the stratospheric particulates laid down by the geoengineers, and the radioactive particles blown into the same global atmosphere mixing pot by Fuku.
        Keith and his "500K of aluminum" shill crap attempt to obfuscate the ongoing truth. Edward Teller suggested 25 MEGATONS of aerosols per year, way back in the early 1990s, if I recall rightly…lets see, a good 15-20 years later, maybe half a BILLION tons of toxic crap wafting around and filtering down onto the planet. Now potentially radioactive to boot. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it?
        I wonder how these characters sleep at night, and if they ever have nightmares.


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    • lucius.cornelius

      Not even testing the ocean.

      Of course they're testing, they're just lying about it. And those lies cannot be taken as 'proof they're hiding something', the establishment lies even when it doesn't need to. It's now the standard response to most, if not all, public questions.


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  • At Fukushima Daichi, 3 Coriums Melted Out Of Containment, Compared To 1 Melt Out At Chernobyl ; via A Green Road
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/01/at-fukushima-3-coriums-left-containment.html


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  • dosdos dosdos

    Let's arm all the children of the world with guns. Makes as much sense as Japan having nuclear generated power, and probably less harmful.


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  • VanneV VanneV

    Does anyone really believe that dumping nuclear waste in the Pacific and elsewhere isn't causing all the terrible earthquakes?


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    • mairs mairs

      Earthquakes are mostly caused by plate tectonics. If they're from nuclear waste, then why were there lots of terrible earthquakes before nuclear power… before people evolved?


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      • Jebus

        With all due respects to everyone, my personal hypothesis is that the melting and displacement of unmeasured quantities of mass, fresh water ice, shifting from one position on earth to another, is causing the earths crust to settle and shift, generating the uptic in major earthquakes that we see today…

        So, the excess heat generated by anthropologic activity, including nuclear power, is indirectly allowing the tectonic plates to shift, in ways that they could not before humans started burning down the house…


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      • VanneV VanneV

        Why Have There Been So Many Earthquakes Recently?
        http://www.science20.com/between_death_and_data/why_have_there_been_so_many_earthquakes_recently-86312
        Wasn’t 1950-1960 the time of many atmospheric testing of nuclear bombs?


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        • probably has something to do with our government & the UN playing GOD, with weather modification programs & geo-engineering. do some research on HAARP high frequency active auroral research program, HAMP hurrican aerosol metaphyscis program, weather warfare, SRM solar radiation management, SAG stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering. read section 8 to see how much tax $$ we are spending every year on weather mods at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109GJfELh::, how about some sulphur & aerosol injection at http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1351466&HistoricalAwards=false, or prof. david keith talking about dumping 500K tons of aluminum nano particulates into the air http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7mjw50xB_A. the new name for the global warming scam is climate change. do you wonder what all those persistent, lingering trails left by jets are? they ARE NOT condensation trails. http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org.


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        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Yes, we certainly did some damage to the Earth during those 2053 Nuclear Bomb tests and that latent seismic/bomb energy could have been stored in the Earth and yes that stored energy could now be activating plate movements and while being released.

          If one looks at the Expanding Earth Theory they could find similar thinking of how the Earth expands and I believe that the Sun does play a role in the Earth's expansion. Massive amounts of energy are released and I believe that energy is drawn in through the poles by our magnetic field to our core which then helps convert that Sun energy to matter.

          Walah an expanding Earth which depends on the Sun along with cosmic energy and dust to expand. But when you introduce new free electrons to this mix in the form of manmade Nuclear Energy then that released energy would also play a similar role in feeding the core and speeding up the process along with any plate movements, which should have instead taken hundreds of thousands of years to activate.

          Love theories.. :)


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          • Jebus

            Another consideration are the massive quantities of space dust that is captured daily by earths gravity and falls to earth as matter. Not all of that is vaporized as kinetic energy and atmospheric chemical deposition brings that down to Earth too. The mass of that alone, must be enormous…


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            • Angela_R

              Jebus "another consideration are the massive quantities of space dust that is captured daily by earths gravity and falls to earth as matter."

              I wonder whether the magnetosphere might repel this. However, there is at times a breech in it. But I suspect repulsion would still be operative, but don't know.


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              • We Not They Finally

                The magnetosphere has already been damaged big-time. There is also apparently (and I can only go with what other, more scientific types have published)the likes of global warming on other planets, not touched by the notorious species called humans. Like a system-wide shift for the worse.

                But there is also a predilection on the part of bad people/forces to make chaos and destruction worse. That's one of the things I've been anticipating/fearing. That when the reality of massive radiation finally breaks through, some "diversion" will come to make it seem like something else or to send the blame elsewhere or to just throw people into so much chaos, that nothing constructive can be done.

                One would hope not. We'd just better hang on tight.


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            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              These are important points as we are breathing in this dust on a daily basis and lots of Earth. That's why we have to clean everything so often. Just think of the pollen dropping out of the trees. Massive amounts during certain times of the year.

              Ergo: It would be very bad to include/introduce Radiation Contamination into that breath of dirty Earth filled with organics (of this planet) air.. :( Manmade is not organic.. :(


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        • Exploding nukes underground could certainly cause earthquakes, just as fracking causes earthquakes. But melting a reactor or dumping barrels of rad waste off a ship at sea doesn't cause earthquakes. Any more than you jumping off a picnic table bench or spilling your kool-aid causes earthquakes.


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      • VanneV VanneV

        Between 1900 and present, the first 9.0 earthquake wasn’t until after the first atomic bomb in 1945.
        http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/10_largest_world.php


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        • Angela_R

          VanneV @ 10.20pm
          "Wasn't 1950-1960 the time of many atmospheric testing …." actually in the southern hemisphere the French continued until Australia and New Zealand took France to the World Court in 1973. From recall an injunction was granted. France ceased above ground testing around 1974.

          VanneV @ 10.27pm
          "The first 9.0 earthquake wasn't until after the first atomic bomb in 1945."

          Yes, there are none recorded before 1945; quite a number though above 8.0.
          http://earthquakes.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/10_largest_world.php

          Unfortunately, we appear to have no records prior to 1900; so very little history.


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        • mairs mairs

          So…. you're saying that all the 8.5's before the first atomic bomb are chopped liver?


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        • itsanuclearwar

          Something I found on the NRC web site FOIA:

          "What Went Wrong?
          " Overconfidence in BWR design – Japan's Nuclear Safety Commission
          did not require improvements implemented in U.S. in 1980s.
          " Historical information was ignored. Japan trench produced earthquakes of
          magnitude 8 or higher four times in the past 400 years – 1611, 1677, 1793,
          and 1896, often accompanied by Tsunamis
          " Placement of diesel fuel tanks above ground on waterfront
          " History of falsified records by plant owner Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO)"

          Large quakes prior to the nuclear age.

          http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1117/ML11175A295.pdf


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          • Bungalow Phil

            Not to mention they never tested the aux. coolant vessel which when they tried to use failed. Unlike in 3 Mile Island where it was tested weekly, TEPCO didn't test it for 4 YEARS before the failure of the pumps. That coolant vessel is what I assume saved the complete meltdown of the core there at 3MI. This all documented and as soon as find the source I will pass it along. This is total ineptitude on the part of this co. They should never have allowed to run a NPP.


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      • Homolumina Homolumina

        Please check this out –

        Neal Adams animation
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ

        Theory about Expanding Earth
        http://www.dinox.org/expandingearth.html


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    • We Not They Finally

      There are probably several links between radiation and earthquakes — maybe just not a direct line. Like radiation destroys the ozone layer which in turn does this which in turn does that, and one of those steps causes an earthquake.

      It would be GREAT to have that comprehensively spelled out. (And maybe it has been. I'd look.)


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    • name999 name999

      VaneV, sleepy and going to bed, but you have it here, the environment is being manipulated and
      disasters are being created…yawn…nothing new in this but more innovative technology.


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    • itsanuclearwar

      lindy got it right. HAARP! What do you think caused the earthquake on 3-11 in Japan? It was HAARP and the US Government/Navy. The proof is out there for anyone to see.


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  • E E

    I was wondering if anyone was else was thinking that. Since we don't know how far down these cores are they could be anywhere in the earth is it possible for the molten fuel to hit molten rock and travel with it? And then what does it do? Isn't there an island forming out in the Pacific just east of Japan that appeared a year or so ago? The answer is we don't know because this has never happened before. If we can't control this power why is anyone with with a thought process even allowing this technology to continue? I try to wake up 1 person a day to this and has been my goal for coming up on a year now. It's mind boggling we are allowing this to happen. And all we are doing is boiling water! Shut them all down!


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    • vital1 vital1

      "I try to wake up 1 person a day to this and has been my goal for coming up on a year now."

      E, well done, the more people we educate the sooner change will happen.

      We need educate people outside of these forums to the seriousness of this disaster. As MSM is not doing its job, we need to step up, and do it.

      Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is
      quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf or create your own, hand it out, mailbox it, Facebook it, Twitter it, or email it. Think outside the box, put it on public notice boards, hand it out to people, or put it into letter boxes when you go for a walk.

      http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf

      Or use these resources Chemfood has provided. All you need is a printer, scissors, some thumb tacks and … viola! We all are info dispersers as well! Put them on notice boards everywhere in the community. Get your local church or community organisation to help.

      http://enenews.com/forum-best-practices-combating-effects-radiation/comment-page-13#comment-478924


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      • E E

        I can one up you on that. My girlfriend is one of the ones in charge of the San Antonio March Against Monsanto so I'm going use that opportunity to drive the hammer down. I've gotten to the point where if people think I'm nuts and I can see it I tell them to prove me wrong. At the same time I try to balance my life mentally and I'm finding it harder and harder. I don't understand why we would allow this. As I said… Mind boggling! You know when people just start dropping dead from this maybe people will put down the Flappy Bird. I fear for my daughter everyday. I do this for her and the children of the world. It's so sad to read about the children of Japan asking if radiation is in their food. Shame on Prime Minister Abe…


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        • vital1 vital1

          "I try to balance my life mentally"

          Yes, it is important for all of us to do that.

          Live each day to the best, and have a positive attitude.

          Act in love and kindness, not only to human beings, but to all life on the planet.


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    • tsfw tsfw

      How heavy is the molten fuel, is it likely to sink and start burning through the earth, or will it float around the ocean for a few thousand years. They must know if it's a floater or a sinker? Anyone?


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      • We Not They Finally

        W. No one even seems to focus on whether URANIUM floats or sinks. It's a heavy metal and apparently it sinks. So they measure the surface water of the ocean and say, see how little radiation there is. But where the aerosolized uranium particles sink, they poison the plankton at the bottom of the sea, which goes up the whole food chain!

        Don't know the answer to your question — and it might be a complex answer, even on the part of a trained honest scientist, like maybe a geologist. But yes, we need to start thinking in WHOLES, in interconnected ecology and geology.


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    • We Not They Finally

      E: Yochi Shimatsu speculated SOMETHING like that. That when such dangerous explosive stuff as fissioning coriums get trapped beneath the earth, gasses can build up and explode.

      It's seems simple logic that that COULD happen — completely unclear how likely that it WILL. Just seems like it's tempting fate way too dangerously.


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  • Danger Danger

    A clarification if I may. When Fuku blew he U.S. set an 80 mile evac zone and moved all non-essential military personnel off the island, jump-flights to air-craft carriers in a quick evacuation. Protocols when evacuating a base include shredding documents, as confidential information cannot be left lying about. The pertinent fact is that the military moved everyone off the island in a quick evacuation. Focusing on a standard practice of shredding documents is not a cover-up, or pertinent.


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    • humptydumpty

      …Unless some of those documents might have been related to a secret nuclear weapons program involving Japanese NPPs.


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Love your confidence and since there are 16,000,000 top secret docs created every year in the US, I for one would have to say the US has plenty of secrets to hide. I have bantered before about such documents and all these millions of secrets. I was informed that the US is suppose to protect the US citizen's interests. Interests, what might that be with 90 military bases sitting on the islands of Japan?

      The only purpose for the formation of the federal government was for the protection of the US shorelines from foreign invasion. I do not think Japan's military bases or Germany's or the hundreds of other military bases around the world are on what I would call the US shoreline. Certainly the middle east is not next to Florida or Cuba is it?

      Interests appear to be what very large corporations want represented inside these nations and our military is for hire to protect their/those perceived interests along with present and future business dealings. If that does not stink of collusion and corruption at every turn along with ongoing conspiracy then I do not know what does my friend. :(

      Now had the military responded to protect the US shores from the foreign invasion of ongoing Nuclear Radiation Contamination spewing out of Fukushima, then maybe, they were doing their job of protecting the citizens of this country.

      But alas 3 years and nada, nothing. :(

      So just who is this massive foreign diplomatic presence all over the world and our military really working for?


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      • Danger Danger

        Communication is a tricky wicket here on ENE. My point was that the military followed emergency protocols. The fact of emergency protocols being quickly implemented is the point of interest and that the reality on the ground required an immediate physical military retreat of great logistical effort with no plan to return. This action is far more telling of the full understanding of the seriousness of the event. Whatever documents shredded may have included some communique of interest, but we plebes have no access even with FOI- we can infer through the heavily redacted FOI documents of our stateside response and see that the US was getting conflicting info from TEPCO and postulated a much worse/realistic scenario.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        awesome rant, obewanspeaks…


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  • mairs mairs

    And that's why they have to pretend that SFP 4 is still there, because to admit that it was destroyed would have meant evacuating Tokyo, and all of the other horrible consequences that it would entail. Instead just suppress all information and let the population stew.


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    • Gen. Buck Turgidson

      In the early days of this fubar event there was talk a large central shared fuel pool which I'm gathering burst into flames within hours of the tsunami. Anybody have any info?


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      • We Not They Finally

        Now we're into scary-scarier-scariest. Thought we had enough to process with reactors 1-4 all having their own separate spent fuel pools. But I do seem remember that there was ALSO a shared fuel pool.

        Haven't a clue what might have happened. Just that bad things happened to everything else!

        Incidentally, in NPP's here in the U.S., many also have outrageous tonnage of spent fuel.


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  • Gen. Buck Turgidson

    Anyone who knows anything knows that this game was over for all of us when unit 3 screwed the pooch.


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  • Angela_R

    VannV

    Ah, the chemistry that they avoided recognizing; 40% of the phytoplankton had already disappeared by 2008. I hadn't fathomed why; guess it was the culmination of previous cesium. I wonder if there are up-to-date figures for the loss of plankton.

    Thought I recently read of a load of iron being deposit in the ocean of the Southern Hemisphere, however I cannot find a link. But then I examine the iron that I think has leaked from the outer core. http://www.discovery.com/earth/oceans/atlantic-ocean-floor-unexpectedly-pumping-iron-130820.htm.
    Not only the fish will starve/poisoned, by the absorption of cesium by the plankton, but we are losing a source of oxygen. Nitrogen is now more evident. Forgotten what stratosphere that is manifesting in.

    Shark attacks are increasing, (starving sharks perhaps). I recall the 50's in Australia, perhaps the result of atomic tests.

    The increase in earthquakes may be because of the stirring of the cores of the earth (no doubt geologists are examining this), but there are other factors that could also be influencing the earth.


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      • Jebus

        I do, it is a very compelling hypothesis. The video presentation is good.

        Maybe irrelevent, but I have watched many acetylene torch caused iron droppings expand and bubble up larger as they solidify from a molten state.

        The anti-thesis is that science knows what direction the plates are moving and they seem to be folding under each other laterally and the diameter of the earth has been fairly constant for the time that man has been able to measure it.

        Which is a very short time in Earth's history.

        Then there are the mountain ranges, easily created by either process…


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      • Angela_R

        Re: expanding earth
        I seem to recall an article on 'earth contraction' after an earthquake; not sure now whether it was the Indonesian or Japanese mega-quake.

        Maybe this will contribute to an explanation:
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/earth/surface_and_interior/plate_tectonics


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      • Ontological Ontological

        If the hollow earth theory is correct, and EQ / Solar data supports it, then expansion is the only answer for the incorrect theory of uniformitarianism geology.


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      • Homolumina Homolumina

        I do Obewan, it is the only theory that makes sense within the big picture, it is in alignment with fundamental principles of life – I just posted this here – see below, smiles. I think we are one fine pod here and I am always sending love and peace out to my enenews community. I find it fascinating how everybody is holding a little puzzle piece – all of it is part of the picture – that is how I see it since perception is projection. . . means we are all in our uniqueness a part of the solution, a little piece, but without it, the picture can not be complete. Every one here matters in ways we cannot comprehend. In my projection we are here in touch with reality and therefore we are real, a part of the solution. Here is what I posted:
        Please check this out –
        Neal Adams animation
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ
        Theory about Expanding Earth
        http://www.dinox.org/expandingearth.html


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          • 16Penny 16Penny

            OK, admittedly this is headed off topic. So extrapolating from the expanding earth theory, filling in below the expanding universe theory, what if Earth was closer to the Sun long ago and as the planets grow they move further out. I know sizes of the planets does not support that but I have no clue how dense the cores of the planets are. Perhaps they grow at different rates. Perhaps they collect different types of space trash at different orbits. Perhaps Venus is next to spontaneously have life / evolution start there. Perhaps we are next to loose our oceans and become desolate like mars. So much to think about.

            I have heard of the space water theory and I am thinking in terms of a sorter at a metal shred plant right now. What if different fractions or weights of atomic material gather on the different planets / moons depending on their density / gravity, distance from the sun, availability of appropriate matter (someone closer isn't already collecting what they have an affinity for).

            I recognize these thoughts might not be novel but it is new to me. Any insight from ENEer's?


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        • Stax Stax

          Homological that Neil Adams vid is sound-succint and a bullseye.
          Thank.


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  • Socrates

    Tried to cover up radiation because it is invisible and killed many more.


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  • Daisy207

    Again I ask – why isn't every home on the west coast being given radiation badges – for the front lawn, for the inside of the house and for each person to wear? 24 hour test. Maybe 5-8 per household. If they are high – which is just a simple photographic analyses – then insist that they do the expensive tests. Data are needed so that people can make informed decisions about whether to stay or leave. Japan is toast forever and they need to dig out those plans to evacuate. But the west coast may be in a slow roast and who knows how far inland this extends. I have said from the beginning – there is no solution. We build a technology with no idea what to do with the waste. What we have done to this earth in just the past 100 years is unconscionable.


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    • Angela_R

      Hi Daisy, "I have said from the beginning – there is no solution."
      If so, then surely that is the answer to your question

      "What we have done to this earth in just the past 100 years is unconscionable." Yes.

      Think Daisy, how come a very old book, thousands of years old, included a declaration: "I will bring to an end those ruining the earth."


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    • tsfw tsfw

      Since when does any gvnt want their citizens to be informed?


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    • Homolumina Homolumina

      Not we Daisy – I refuse, we have been enablers at best by not doing anything about it…


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    • We Not They Finally

      Daisy, apparently they did not even issue radiation badges to workers at WIPP! Now they are all excited that FINALLY they are getting real-time dosimeters for workers to wear. Apparently, they let them work for fifteen years and still counting, without dosimeters!

      If anything is announced about the public at large having dosimeters or Geiger counters, it will be to discourage. Like people were told to NOT take iodine pills against the original plume coming in from Japan.


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      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        Why waste the tax payers money when WIPP will last 10,000 years?
        What could go wrong?
        Hence, no real need for dosimeters.

        Besides, the fork lift drivers were properly trained on how to duct tape punctured containers.
        They all knew to always carry plenty of duct tape with them at all times.
        Safety first, always.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    That must have to do something with an apple.. :)


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    • Angela_R

      "That must have something to do with the apple..:)"
      A parable obewan? I recall the first one I heard from my father re lying. "The boy that cried wolf."
      He didn't explain it, but one learned to be obedient to its message. We crawl at first, then walk, later run…and finally we may be granted to fly with freedom, but with freedom we need to be responsible.


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  • Jebus

    Here is a significant past ENENEWS thread that shows the severity of this disaster as it pertains to the core(s) being ejected from at least one reactor shortly after the water was lost. Most likely from reactor three's nuclear explosion. Notice the multitude of links to many reports of nuclear fuel tossed about the Fukushima compound and ejected up to a mile away.

    Reports of nuclear fuel rod pieces being ejected from Fukushima reactors and/or spent fuel pools – Published: February 25th, 2012 at 1:11 pm ET By ENENews

    Several news articles and experts have reported that nuclear fuel pieces/fragments/flakes/particles were deposited onto the ground around Fukushima at varying distances from the reactors and spent fuel pools after one or more of the explosions. Here’s a list of the reports that began in early April

    http://enenews.com/pieces-nuclear-fuel-ejected


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  • the general population clings to the single frayed hope that this was an accident and not part of a bigger operation.
    this denial is what will allow the final phase of the Armageddon Operation to continue unopposed by the masses, as if there is a strand of hope left in such a forsaken future as we have arranged.
    100 years of paper whores, of strawmen and tinmen and the wizards and lizards.
    I do not expect the people responsible for the nuclear wastelands or their henchmen to accept a path forward without them, nor will they be held accountable.
    It still amazes me they had not as yet utilized the warheads, so many creatures without a moral boundary and so many triggers for them to find.
    fuku them all. indeed, fuku them all.


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  • Sol Man

    This is a repost, as it seems relevant to where we are now with this very bad event. I want this to stand on its own and not as a reply to any other post. TY

    "I did not know then how much was ended. When I look back now from this high hill of my old age, I can still see the butchered women and children lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch as plain as when I saw them with eyes still young. And I can see that something else died there in the bloody mud, and was buried in the blizzard. A people's dream died there. It was a beautiful dream… the nation's hoop is broken and scattered. There is no center any longer, and the sacred tree is dead."
    _Black Elk

    From: Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee
    Author: Dee Brown

    Thanks to all of you being here. I appreciate all of your input.

    Sol Man


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    • 4Warnd 4Warnd

      Sol Man, an eloquent, moving, tragic recollection from Black Elk.

      It reminds me of an image – from a film, distant – cannot remember the details, etc except this:

      While knowledge of the nuclear weapons release is known by both mother and daughter, in the sunlit bedroom of their San Franciscan home, pacific ocean in the far distant, they proceeded to make their daughters bed, in silence, in the oddly backlit light of their last morning upon this earth.

      Thanks for your post and remembering it today.


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  • FXofTruth

    The truth here is NOTHING can EVER be believed from ANY government agency; corporation; media outlet; medical organization; financial organization; or even history book; why….because they lie and will ALWAYS lie about EVERYTHING.

    Show me one, just one political statement; one disaster relief plan; one historical event; one news story; one business deal; that was ALL TRUTH and proven as such. Not one statement or situation has EVER been presented in the true light or proven as totally true!
    Some facts, photos, videos, statistics, etc., are always altered or omitted so the "spin" was always in a way that the presenter of the information could control and manipulate the Public.

    So the corrected rule of thumb is:
    "Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see!"

    People died and are dying because of the way this tragedy is being handled. These fools are worried about panic? Too bad. People should panic if their lives are about to end!


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    • Angela_R

      FXofTRUTH,
      you say "the truth here is that NOTHING can ever be believed from ANY government agent", isn't that what Aesop's fable tried to teach us in the "The Boy Who Cried Wolf?" When caught too often in a lie, the danger then was that nothing would be believed…

      I personally like to acknowledge when the truth has been told and make a demarcation between the truth and the lie. For to me, the truth should not be ever held to be a lie.


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      • atomicistheword

        Angela_R,

        The problem is that truth is a lie and a lie is the truth in this world. Dan certainly knew this. Johnny divine spoke much on similar issues.

        The love of wealth and reversal of humanity for wealth acquisition. The punishment of the ones who go out to destroy the environment. The greedy nero family bowing to the displeasure of humanity.

        It's all happening now.


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        • Angela_R

          Hi atomicistheword, "The problem is that truth is a lie and a lie is the truth in this world"

          In their world, not mine.:)
          People are still seeking to make money from the exploitation of the earth, but their intention is to build wealth, not to kill themselves. However, I do think that at least one of them knows where this is leading, and he is the 'son of destruction.'


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    • itsanuclearwar

      They are not worried about panic. There you go believing them. This is about population control and nothing else. Think they give a rats ass about us and if we were to panic? NO WAY! TPTB want us all dead. This is a nuclear war against us, all by design. People need to wake up to this fact. ALL of the evidence, ALL of their actions, eliminate ALL other possibilities. The plan is to wipe out the middle class, create hardship and suffering for everyone that is still alive, living conditions so bad that the people will be happy to accept what they offer. Although the people will not get what they were promised. It's the New World Order. That is what Fuku is about. Don't ever underestimate the ones that are successfully killing you.


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      • atomicistheword

        My friend the so called new world order started some great time ago. It is not new, nor is it going to succeed. That is why the greedy pigs are at the trough gulping indignation by the truck load. Their insane philosophy, if we cannot have it no one else can.

        Their last desperate attempt to take ALL by enslaving humanity with technology, as they remove currency exchange and mark everyone with a devils device to switch them on or off income streams. Alternatively using brain manipulation frequencies to control the underlings. One or both.

        Both will fail.


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  • Tung Jen Tung Jen

    Way too much to say…. need helpful suggestions… system overload! Need to break from this and do some gardening.


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  • MM

    Looking at pictures of R3 destruction, I have not been able to locate the reactor pressure vessel lid (covered by debris or in the ocean?). I still am not clear if the prompt criticality occurred in the spent fuel pool OR the reactor itself. Reading and watching Fairwinds and other sites leads me to believe it was the spent fuel pool that went, however the energy of the explosion looks more focused as if from a cannon (pressure vessel). Anyone with some info?

    MM


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  • KingofthePaupers

    Fukushima crisis “actually far worse than anyone acknowledged… information withheld to prevent panic” – Professor:
    Jct: Ah, it was to prevent panic that Stephen Harper turned off the fallout detectors on Mar 25 2011 before the nuclear plume hit BC to result in triple baby deaths. Lucky he didn't panic pregnant women and children into staying out of the nuclear rain. Seattlers got fuked withb 150 hot particles per person in April, bet similar in BC! In my run for Prime Minister in the 2011 General Election, my videos urged Canadians to "duck and cover." http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYEOvpWV5TtUTw3nNOKgncjnLsdcimasr
    Fukushima General Election for Prime Minister Playlist


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  • Shaker1

    "Without a qualitatively different regulatory system…"

    The perspective here is what they have and had, isn't it? In essence, it says that nothing's changed, the Japanese or world societal fortitude isn't there for change. No matter what the causal physical trail that leads here, the sociologist or psychologist is amply qualified to make such statements. Stripped of anything other than the responsibility for the process that one might give to any common citizen of societies that have allowed nuclear development on this scale, I would think they are even more qualified than those who have intimate knowledge of nuclear processes as they have no more to lose than any common man. There needs to be a sense that comes from the immanently non-technical side who's intelligence can't be assailed. As interested as I am in physical technicalities I'm not going to cite physical examples of why nuclear is an obvious fail. Our arguements should come from the fact that we as humans aren't equipped to deal with the problems on a societal level. Even those reasons why we aren't so equipped are not important to the arguement, only that we aren't.


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  • Socrates

    Tne US military was going to pull some 80,000 service and dependents out of Japan. The evacuation zone was to be expanded. Then the work came down to minimize so as to not create panic and, presumably. Economic loss to the nuclear power industry.

    One must read the FOIA documents again. Read the NRC transcripts again, too. Realize that the coverup included misinformation bloggers and misdirection shills.

    Three years later, news continues to leak out. What is more important is that radioactive substances will leak out forever.

    Many people were injured and will eventually die in both Japan and North America to "save" the Nuclear Renaissance in effect sending us into the Dark Ages.

    Nuclear bloggers are paid $200,000 per year to discredit anti-nuclear bloggers from what I have read. They try to infiltrate, too.

    People will now seek to attach blame and help those injured children. The fat cats should pay, not the children. This will be a test of our justice system. Unless there is justice, then we will force the most helpless and those serving our country to absorb all losses.


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    • Shaker1

      "Nuclear bloggers are paid $200,000 per year to discredit anti-nuclear bloggers from what I have read."

      Really? You know, sometimes it severely tests my faith in intelligence that people don't understand that if they sit beneath a goose for long enough, sure, they might be rewarded with the occasional 'golden egg'. But to ignore the obvious need of the goose to shit, to watch in fascination and envy as it's cleverly formed into an ovoid sculpture painted gold and accepted as necessary tender…It's just gold-painted shit, and gets one just what other possessors of gold-painted shit will give.

      May that justice be truly gold.


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    • wildandfree wildandfree

      Socrates, I think you are right "Many people were injured and will eventually die in both Japan and North America to "save" the Nuclear Renaissance in effect sending us into the Dark Ages." Although I am beginning to think we are already in our next dark age, seems that the next generation, the "tell me more about ME!" generation, will freak when cell phones and texts are limited or eliminated, seems they have little to say without a key board and even very much less than the dancing hippies at Woodstock when they should be screaming at the top of their Plutonium filled lungs. I was just out on this wonderful afternoon in NV and saw my doc, said he was headed to southern CA for a fishing trip for yellow fin Tuna, I asked about his perception on on the bio accumulation of rads, he said he was taking stuff to get it out of his body, so eat up! People can be so smart and really dumb in the same paragraph. Going to be hard on everyone when reality sets in.


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  • HoTaters

    "Unidentified US Nuclear Expert: “Without a qualitatively different regulatory system, and in light of how Japan/Tepco responded to this crisis, Japan has not earned the right to have nuclear energy. No critically minded and informed person can evaluate this disaster and look at how Japan has responded in the aftermath and have any confidence that Japan will use nuclear energy safely. In the most seismically active country [...] even if Japan had a robust regulatory structure and thoroughly integrated crisis protocols, nature conspires against the best-laid-plans of human institutions. And what Japan has is certainly not the best plan by any measure.”

    Amen to that.


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  • wildandfree wildandfree

    "Japan has not earned the right to have nuclear energy." With the response to incidents in the US and abroad, we need to realize that NO ONE has EARNED the right to have nuclear energy. Who are we kidding? We are one crazy species, we can exercise critical thinking but we are not smart enough to realize critical limits. All efforts for nuclear energy should be directed towards safe closure of ALL facilities and a determination of what to do with the crap we have developed to date. If we don't, we won't be around long enough to worry about it. As a matter of fact, I think we may be past that point now. Every effort should be made to stop this insanity. I will ask again… Who are we kidding?


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    • wildandfree wildandfree

      Sorry ENEnewsers, should have read the previous posts of which there were many, I was mad to think that the "Industry" thinks only Japan is is not qualified. Others made the point, before. Thanks Admin for your great work and for providing us the opportunity to speak out!


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  • Nick

    MM:

    Unit #3 went kaboom. Reactor core innards have been found in areas of Japan far removed from the plant.

    Japan is toast, and so is the rest of the planet.

    There ain't no magical zeolite sodium bi-carbonate snake oil to clean this shit up.


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  • Jebus

    Here is a giant Database on the Research of Radioactive Substances Distribution…

    Seems to be THE Japanese database…

    http://radb.jaea.go.jp/mapdb_prev/en/


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  • Socrates

    I remember that documents were shredded in anticipation of a military evacuation, not to cover up, as I recall. Memory is not as sharp as it was. But we should be careful about third party statements that contain conclusions. Just sayin'….


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  • Jebus

    Seems that I remember that reactor #3 exploded twice according to a UN agency…

    UN Agency: Reactor 3 exploded a second time 24 hours later — Then wind and rain brought high levels of radiation over Tokyo, Sendai, Nagano

    http://enenews.com/un-agency-reactor-3-exploded-a-second-time-24-hours-later-then-wind-and-rain-brought-high-levels-of-radiation-over-tokyo-sendai-nagano


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    • that is just one of those harmful 'rumors'. No radiation made it to Tokyo. Abe says so. All radiation was trapped by the harbor and none made it into the ocean.

      The Commander has spoken…

      HEIL ABE!

      Follow the FUHRER to the promised land of milk and honey.

      Start up all of the nuclear reactors and build more weapons.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yummy and during the day and during the starlight too! :)


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  • MM

    Jebus,

    Thank you for the link. While it did not answer my question, it did take me for a ride. I can see there are still lots of questions unanswered. I appreciate Nick's help too. Thank you.

    MM


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Yet the USS Ronald Radiagan is still in service. We all know that radiation leaches into metal. What about all the radiated water pumped through the internal plumbing of that once mighty ship? Do they actually think after a few scrubdowns that it magically disappeared? I would not want to be serving on that or any other Tomodachi involved vessel. How many more will get sick from the residual radiation? That ship shoud be decommissioned along with the others involved. Sure as hell isn't the NAVY I signed up for and served in.


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  • ftlt

    Do you think our Globalist Imperial masters care about our safety for one minute? There trillions to made to add to their trillions already owned.

    Freedom!!!! Smash Globalism!!!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Pretty sure it is the exact same Navy.. :(


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  • Nick

    "Fukushima alarmism is a bigger risk than radiation

    4 September 2013 | By Stuart Nathan "

    Read more: http://www.theengineer.co.uk/opinion/comment/fukushima-alarmism-is-a-bigger-risk-than-radiation/1017047.article#ixzz2yD92jYgi

    "It’s been almost two and a half years since the Tohoku earthquake, which triggered the tsunami that swept across Japan, causing massive loss of life and destroying towns and villages. The best-known, but perhaps least serious, consequence of the tsunami is back in the news: the continuing efforts to contain radioactivity from the nuclear reactor meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi power station."

    http://www.theengineer.co.uk/opinion/comment/fukushima-alarmism-is-a-bigger-risk-than-radiation/1017047.article

    Fukushima, …perhaps least serious?

    Talk about a shill!


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  • Just asking

    Re Sadiedog How can compensation be payable when Tepco was not responsible
    http://www.henrymakow.com/fukushima_-_what_really_happen.html


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  • Bungalow Phil

    URGENT reminder, DONT buy a car from Japan manufactured after 3/11/11. If you own one haul it to your nearest hazardous waste disposal site. Or wear a haszmat suit while driving it.


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