Published: March 17th, 2012 at 5:04 am ET
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Title: Interim Report, Accident response at TEPCO’s Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS
Source: Secretariat of the Investigation Committee on the accidents at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Station
Date Available: 2012.02.23
The NPS and TEPCO ERCs also considered sprinkling water and dropping ice into the Unit 1 SFP from a helicopter. In fact, the TEPCO ERC procured 3.5 tons of ice and transported it to the Fukushima Dai-ni NPS by air. However, radiation levels were expected high even in the airspace above the Unit 1 R/B and at that time Unit 3 plant conditions were unpredictable. Thus some people said dropping ice from above could be unsafe. It was also pointed out that the sporadic dropping of 3.5 tons of ice would not effectively cool the water in the Unit 1 SFP (its capacity was 990 m3 = 990 tons). Ultimately, the dropping of ice and sprinkling of water by helicopter were never implemented.
Read the report here
h/t Nuclear History
See all the reports from the committee here
Published: March 17th, 2012 at 5:04 am ET
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ENENEWS: PLEASE prepare headlines with correct wording: "had prepared". By saying "prepared", this indicates NOW. This is not the meaning of the whole text. PLEASE refrain from citing informationj out of context. We don't need an adrenalin fix this way. Thanks!
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Prepare:
third-person singular simple present = prepares
present participle = preparing
simple past and past participle = prepared
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prepare
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Enenews tends to sensationalize headlines, and frequently implies facts or events not evidenced by the actual article. I think we all know this, and several of the frequent daily posters obviously enjoy this aspect of the site. Fan the flames, rant and rave! That said, this is still one of the only sites that does post daily news stories about the current nuclear situations. We just have to check the actual stories, which are always linked, and obtain the true facts for ourselves. It is what it is. At least this site directs us to articles of interest. For a more educated and less rabid interpretation of events, I found this: http://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=8e59d52352372dc331d5f3feff9128d4&f=106
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err udeful link on occasion..
thanks for the tip bro..
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interesting
talk about implying facts or events…
where is the evidence of "sensationalize headlines, and frequently implies facts or events not evidenced by the actual article"?
no links or no sources to back up your claim.
everything posted here has a source with a link.
FYI, if you are not understanding the headline or think it implies facts that are not in the original report, here's a tip: READ IT CLOSER.
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Hi Enenews owner. I'm not going to spend time accusing you, and going back and forward nitpicking "what the meaning of 'is', is". Nothing personal, people from different backgrounds will obviously interpret information in varied ways. Here's the thing – you do a great job. This is a very valuable site, and you obviously spend most of your waking hours working on it. I think it's well organized, has extensive links to relevant and historical stories, has minimal advertising, and is tolerant of varied opinions and personalities. Today notwithstanding, you tend to put the stories up, and then let the comment section evolve without making any attempt to steer the flow of opinions, which must be difficult. Anonymous posting tends to encourage criticism and hyperbole that face to face, one would hope, would be self-censored. I have found that sometimes the only reasons for posting comments on places like this seem to be to make the poster feel clever and to garner attention.
Please keep up the good work.
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The kind words are appreciated.
However, you write "I'm not going to spend time accusing you"… You've already spent time accusing me.
Do you retract your claim:
"Enenews tends to sensationalize headlines, and frequently implies facts or events not evidenced by the actual article"?
If not, please provide evidence.
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More time, then.
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Admin here tends to the sharp rebuke.
Which can be effective.
I would add, as I have before, that the work done here is exhaustive, and rather than sensationalazing as you put it, Admin works to pull out the poignant and relevant facts based on the history of posts and discussion that has occurred here.
It is in fact quite often the sources that twist the story, downplay the relevant facts and run headlines designed to twist the issue into the narrative of the official story.
It is my personal opinion that Admin has a keen eye and ability to see past much of that and focus our attention on the nuggest of valid information.
Its normally referred to as untangling the spin.
And Admin is quite apt with this.
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It's been almost the whole day and still no evidence to back up these claims.
To recap…
From This:
-Enenews tends to sensationalize headlines
-Frequently implies facts or events not evidenced by the actual article
-I think we all know this
-For a more educated and less rabid interpretation of events, I found this (PF link)
To This:
-You do a great job
-This is a very valuable site
-Please keep up the good work
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I'll repeat the statement made below:
This site has 2,940 [+] headlines right now. If there are suspected "wording problems" please point them out. Everyone is encouraged to do so.
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sandman,
If anything, Enenews downplays information. For example, a more accurate headline for this could be:
"Tepco is SO INSANE and STUPID that they actually considered dropping ice onto fuel pools, can you believe how @#$%^&* up they are? These are the #$%$& IDIOTS that hold the fate of the world in their hands!!!!!!"
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You forgot "OMG!!!!!!!!!!!". But you're right, NoNukes, adding words typed in all caps and multiple exclamation points would have more accurately indicated the gist of the article.
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If I were to add three letters to my headline, the most appropriate ones might be, R-U-N!
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sandman, my impression of the physics forums site is that it tends to be rather biased, and therefore is not particularly helpful.
For example, the administrator there, "astronuc" was asked in 2007:
"what kind of fund (sic) stuff do you get to do as a nuclear engineer?"
His answer, verbatim and in its entirety:
":rofl: Mostly thermo-mechanical (numerical and highly non-linear) analysis of nuclear fuel under the normal steady-state and transient operating conditions, and not so normal conditions that hopefully will never happen except in special experiments. This requires the development of special models of the physical and mechanical properties of the materials of the fuel and its environment. Then one has to model the power/irradiation history with reasonable spatial resolution. We use special FEM and multiphysics models. We then simulate separate-effects and integrated experiments to verify and validate particular models and the integrated codes, and then we perform predictive analysis.
Similar work is done on core structures.
Way back when, in grad school, I did things like core/reactor design studies.
Then there are special areas in which I work, such as surveillance of fabrication processes and how they are applied to fuel and core components.
Then there is the really unusual stuff (design and analyses) with exotic nuclear systems like spacecraft propulsion systems (which is not in high demand these days :frown: ).
And various insundry.
And participate in PF. :biggrin:"
Source of quotations:
http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-162506.html
That is not the profile of a neutral observer of the industry, I suggest.
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I like the paragraph beginning rofl, pure unbusted jargon to big me up and make you little questioner feel too dumb
However it does look to me like a freelance journo who has had to leap to the textbook or his flatmate's CV to come up with an answer nobody could possibly understand. _REAL MEN_ try to explain not flannel. My money, astronuc is a bluffer.
Just my 1.5p
Misitu
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I'm itching to comment about him, but I think he says it best in his own words.
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Physics Forums, already identified hereabouts as "one of the usual suspects", remember to take your little blue bag of salt when visiting …
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Is this a usual shill personal attack instead of focusing on the issue itself?
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Probably the mask slipped for a moment while distracted by events in the car park/kitchen/bath
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Frances: I've come to read these headlines 'in both tenses', not knowing which is the correct tense until I see the article. At first it annoyed me, now I'm okay with it. Your point is well taken, though.
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Are Humans past tense?
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Humans aren't "past tense" yet, but we seem well on our way to getting there.
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"Prepared" is the past tense of "prepare". Long live ENENEWS!
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Prepared= also adjective
E.G. A boyscout is prepared. I am prepared for that job.
Ergo, the line "prepared to drop" could mean:
a.past tense
b.[is] prepared to drop
ENENEWS for all its worthy coverage, constantly gives headlines OUT OF CONTEXT.
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So you agree prepared is a past tense verb?
Your first comment in this thread says "by saying "prepared", this indicates NOW".
Which one is it?
And once again, provide evidence for the accusation "constantly gives headlines OUT OF CONTEXT"
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FRANCES: I too tripped over that. But it's not a big deal.
For people that find themselves tripping over things, I suggest a visit to specsavers, or your local equivalent "instant opticians".
That is – always keep the big picture in mind.
Never give a sucker an even break. Never wise up a louse. (W C Fields)
No Worries!
M
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These wording problems are among the first frustrations I encountered with ENENEWS from its ouset. I have been following this regularly from that time and things such as these wording problems have been commonplace since that time (a year now). In this instance I wasted my time looking for something that I had not heard of occurring at Dai-ni. I am tired of misleading and misdirecting headlines as well as insignificant fuku web cam instances being reported and people commentating on them as if they actually were matters to be concerned about. I appreciate the news when its right, when it is not misrepresented, and when it has some content value. This stuff is too important for sensationalizing, misleading and reports of trivial consequence. I measure what I read off of what I can cross reference to other places and a certain percentage I only find here with no one of repute taking it up any where else! Now I have not wasted the amount of your time that this headline resulted in me wasting. But then again chasing bogus leads is fun. Just so I am not misunderstood. I do appreciate people holding vigil on the web cams, but some of what is reported could be filtered out.
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So the first commenter is complaining about the tense of 'prepared'.
Your complaint is that you thought the ice airdrop was for Dai-ni?
If that was the case, the headline would read:
"Tepco prepared to airdrop 3.5 tons of ice into Fukushima Dai-ni Spent Fuel Pool"
The headline probably could have been a bit clearer, though either way the information is relevant as this appears to be the first mention of Tepco considering airdropping ice to cool an SFP.
The reference to Dai-ni has been removed from the headline, as it is not a key part of the report and apparently is open to misinterpretation.
Regardless, the headline is basically a direct quote from the report.
Headline:
"Tepco prepared to airdrop ice into Reactor No. 1 Spent Fuel Pool — 3.5 tons brought to Fukushima Dai-ni"
Excerpt from Report:
"TEPCO…considered…dropping ice into the Unit 1 SFP…In fact…TEPCO…procured 3.5 tons of ice and transported it to the Fukushima Dai-ni"
Full Excerpt:
"The NPS and TEPCO ERCs also considered sprinkling water and dropping ice into the Unit 1 SFP from a helicopter. In fact, the TEPCO ERC procured 3.5 tons of ice and transported it to the Fukushima Dai-ni NPS by air."
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NOTE: This site has 2,940 headlines right now. If there are other examples of suspected "wording problems" please point them out. Everyone is encouraged to do so.
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I will offer resounding praise for enenews on every count. I consider this a mixed / multicultural / multi language affair. Everyone speaking with the best sense of expression and grammar that they can. Breaking news and keeping up with the topics FAR out ways grammatical matters and we are all on our own to research, study and share while here. We all play a part – contribute to the many strengths of this public space. We each have certain knowledge – together we all know more.
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No. Dr Goebbels knew that the WAY something is reported and the rhetoric used is vitally important. We want the news but without the sensational OUT OF CONTEXT headlines.
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Frances,
When Tepco is falsifying data to claim that Fukushima is in cold shutdown while the coriums are spewing deadly radioactivity and Enenews is one of the handful of websites that are revealing the extent of the cover-up and the damage to innocent humans and other creatures on earth, how can you possibly bring Dr Goebbels into it a discussion of a headline?
The headline was perfectly clear to me, and talk about SENSATIONALISM!
I'm wondering why you are taking up our time with this mountain made from a molehill, and I bet that I know why.
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Thank you, NoNukes, for voicing my thoughts better than I could have!
@Frances: I think itʻs perfectly okay to express your opinion, but like I tell my kids, time, place and tone are key. Forgive my hypocrisy because sometimes (sometimes far too often) I donʻt follow my own sage advice–but not so unlike some on this thread who claim or allude to sensationalism, while creating one of their own…"Dr" Goebbels?! come on now…
Admin, thank you for your tireless efforts to shine the light!!
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"Dr Goebbels knew that the WAY something is reported and the rhetoric used is vitally important. We want the news but without the sensational OUT OF CONTEXT headlines."
Accusations of sensationalism with a reference to Goebbels.
Anyway… thanks to Misitu, NoNukes, Kevin, TheBigPicture, truthseek, hanaloa, anne, Tumrgrwer, StillJill, Sickputer, and others who took the time to write some nice things in this thread.
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Expecting news from a headline is very naive. I always go to the article itself to see what is said to get the context and the author's point of view. Looking at the date of the report is the responsibility of the reader.
I appreciate all that enenews.com does and have no criticisms. Other context is also provided by enenews.com by listing past relevant articles. Also everything on this site is fully searchable on google.
Because TPTB report information months and a whole year after the event makes their report news. Also FOIA has made available information long after the event and that information is also news.
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Exactly anne… No criticism to others, (well the masses) who appear to predominantly only scan headlines and view infotainment news, which is a complete waste of time for me, most frustrating.
My partner at times, struggles with my approach to news, "I said to her, that I am not principally interested in the headline… I am interested in the body of the story, more in detail (nowadays) fleshed out by blog comments expanding the perspective. And I have come to doubt (have to research) most MSM content for story build alone.
For me, (for big life events) my regular diet of *reading the news* is one of asynchronous study, a (awareness) build process
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Anne…Right on, read the article to get the actual info!!! +++++
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Agreed.
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Hey Francis……
Goebbel this, will ya ?
If we were all PERFECT, there wouldn't be a meltdown, now, would there ?
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Yep! Noone is free of bias. Noone is without prejudice. Everyone has a perspective. It is our intellectual duty to be able to discern the biases and perspectives.
This reminds me of a friend who had a clear criticism of Scientology: "They're not Clear," they're "Blank".
To be free of bias and perspective maybe has something to do with Buddhahood~!!!
In the meantime, we are here, and we are human.
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WWII – Joseph Goebbel was dead before the first atom was ever split. Slow kids in school use the Nazi excuse because it's all they remember from history class. For Christ sake Goebbel died before an atomic weapon was ever used. Reporting Scientific fact on this site has been reliable and if you don't read the so called "Rhetoric" below the headline you clearly can't comprehend the reason for the headlines wording. If I wrote a headline stating "Man Teabags entire family." It would be open for interpretation if you don't go on to read the rest of the article. It could be that the man took his family to a Teabag factory, or his whole family got teabagged by a gang of ravenous homeless vampires! Point being read the article and graduate 5th grade history class.
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Dr Goebbels' little black book seems to be on the Tepco shelf where the Emergency Procedure manual should have been.
Frances, your post is disingenuous. We all know where the unadulterated propaganda is coming from.
And, yes, DO READ THE REFERENCED ARTICLE FIRST. Commenting without doing so puts you in the Stupid Corner.
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BEAUTIFUL tribute to ENENEWS Truthseek! In it's entirety!
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TY SJ ! we are fortunate to come
to here share and learn…
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Keen – you having been marked by intellectual quickness and acuity, missed the meat of the story.
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Ok then, go search on your own! This site is invaulable to people like me. I worked at a NPP in 1977 and have a firm understanding of what is going on with these plants. Go complain to your mother, she won't listen…keen you are not cause I am…Enenews rocks your socks off and you know it. Stop trying to upset this wonderful equilibrium created here at our site. Stop complaining about semantics and join in. You will indeed learn something, if you really want to. Distractors from the truth have been up my butt all my life, so be keen not mean…
Let us continue to be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!
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This post from Keen is going into my sample book of how to identify people who come here to annoy or divert.
"Misitu's Little Black Book Of Shill Posts".
Typical instances of hasty composition, stream of consciousness outpouring, poor spelling & grammar, no effort to construct a readable polemic; face to face attack; and, clearest of all, explicit evidence of poster unable to control feelings of angry frustration.
I've seen these here and elsewhere.
If you have something useful to add, I suggest take a deep breath, got back to English classes if necessary, and focus your efforts on dialogue.
Misitu
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typo
"get back to English classes"
I need to go to specsavers
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ice, but also Martini and olives, too !
excuse me for macabre humor, t3pco has much fantasy.
Grrrrr
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Cheers
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roberto,
I'm thinking that you are onto something here. Let's get everyone really drunk at Tepco so adults can come in and fix up their mess.
Is the only answer to pay the nuclear industry double what they make from these NPPs to shut them all down? I am willing to be taxed double for eternity if it would shut them all down. These are the kind of people who like to make money for doing nothing.
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This is about the Tanaka article. I'm posting my comment here because the thread is many rolls down. If this is not the right place, many pardons to all.
I think the gist of what he was saying is the vessel went into the oven for heat-treating. I hate it when they say it softens the metal because the heat is used to relieve pent up stresses due to welding and rolling of the plate. Heat treat refines the grain. Smaller grain more strength. Sometimes before the vessel-reactor-is put into the oven, metal bracing is installed to keep the diameter of the vessel more or less circular. The manufacture is concerned about the ovalling-I know this is not a word but this is used in the literature-of the shell. The shell looks more like an ellipse. This happens because of the enormous weight of the vessel. The bracing is used to support the diameters.
The concern is that ovalling will weaken the shell to pressure. Actually a circle causes more stress than an ellipse but that is another story.
When the vessel was removed from the oven, the bracing had fallen and according to Tanaka the diameters were off by approximately 35 mm.
Vessels are never round. It is impossible to roll a plate and weld the segments together and be perfectly round.
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. So the code allows a certain amount of out of roundness. Section VIII Div 1:
“UG-80 PERMISSIBLE OUT-OF-ROUNDNESS
OF CYLINDRICAL, CONICAL, AND
SPHERICAL SHELLS
(a) Internal Pressure. The shell of a completed vessel
shall be substantially round and shall meet the following
requirements:
(1) The difference between the maximum and minimum
inside diameters at any cross section shall not exceed
1% of the nominal diameter at the cross section under
consideration. The diameters may be measured on the
inside or outside of the vessel. If measured on the outside,
the diameters shall be corrected for the plate thickness at
the cross section under consideration (see Fig. UG-80.2).”
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Section VIII is not the nuclear code. Section III of the ASME Code is for nuclear. I’m not a nuclear type so I’m not that familiar with that section. I don’t have the denaros to buy a copy. Somewhere in that section out of roundness will be addressed. Without knowing the actual diameters, it would be hard to say if it failed to meet the code. He may be trying to sell books.
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Even if I were a nuclear type, I would not dare say it on this site for fear of getting stoned.
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jackassrig, it's not who you are or where you come from, it's what you say and what you bring to the site.
Posters on this site with nuclear experience have provided invaluable insights into some of the events and behaviours we have tried to fathom.
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Personally I wish it wasn't like that. We need Nuclear Professional's knowledge to handle and learn about these substances. Id say that's for starters. I for one would prefer to see both sides of the issue and make a decision for myself.
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In one of his TV interviews Gundersen said that dropping water onto the SFPs from above via helicopter was a bad idea because the force of the water hitting it could deform the racks within the pool, causing the fuel rods to bend closer toward one another, and thereby possibly triggering a criticality event (if I am remembering what he said correctly). I would imagine dropping big pieces of ice might have been even more dangerous in that respect, since it wouldn't spread apart as it fell through the air (as water might), but would deliver most of its force impact to a more concentrated spot in the pool.
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Yes… Good observations. The water drops from aircraft are a last ditch effort for fires on the ground. If water cannons become inoperable and workers flee… Then turn out the light Gracie. I hope they think about options for unmanned cooling before it's too late.
But… cooling or not….The water contamination of the ocean will ultimately be the worst curse of this horrendous nightmare for the human race. Die now from air vapor poisons or die later from all the oceans in the world destroyed. The destruction of viable sea life will kill billions of humans. Failure to contain the water runoff from Daiichi is a big mistake. Although I have long promoted a shaped charges blowoff of the plant into the sea to stop the air vapors now I doubt that would work. Unless the fuel was dumped 5 miles deep in an ocean trench there is no ocean burial policy that might succeed. Fred Astaire was right.
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SP Exactly – immediate (air) or timed release (sea)
Eventual, but absolutely certain result..
much the same in the end…
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SP, apart from building NPPs near active fault lines, putting them next to the ocean is, as Zaphod Beeblebrox might have said, ten out of ten for cooling water, minus several million out of ten for not being able to stop radiated water getting into the sea.
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Exactly! I kept thinking they`d be dropping mega ice blocks onto an open raging reactor complex … it just seems LIKE A VERY BAD IDEA!!!!!
Think about it!!!!
I could see the first one imploding the pool or sending the majority of contaminated water out and up and through the walls ….I mean…no way!
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Iam335, absolutely my thoughts / concerns… The sheer mass of the water pounding the (already weakened?) highly stressed structure and fragile contents being damaged or destroyed…
Amateurish approaches on every level riddled by failures…
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Well impact causes about twice the deflection. So dropping tons of ice into the SFP could have been enough to split the SFP. Impact is always to be avoided. Sometimes I wonder where these bozos got their education. I worked with a dumb head one time who got his Masters mail order. He could not get admitted to a college so he found a school that would give him a degree based on experience. He got his Masters without a thesis and was applying to college to be admitted for his PHD. If memory serves me right, I don't think he had a BS or BA degree.
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I worked for an insurance company-Hartford Steam Boiler Inspection and Insurance- who did the third party inspections for code shops. To build an ASME code vessel you must have a Certificate of Authorization and a contract with a third party inspection firm. I was licensed to do third party inspections for Hartford in the late 70’s. I inspected Section VIII shops but I had one nuclear pipe shop. The nuclear code back then was about ¾” thick. If you look at the committees of the ASME, you will find most are from manufacturing companies. This means that if a requirement needs to be implemented in the code it has to be approved by the committee that has jurisdiction. Well, you can see if it impacts the holy grail of profits, it is going to have tough time getting approved. What happened in the late 70’s when many of these old rust buckets were being built, the US Government was concerned that the ASME was not writing enough in the nuclear code to protect the public. The codes are about safety and are not a design manual. They told the ASME if they didn’t write more requirements for the code, then the government would. Can you imagine the consternation of the free enterprise committee members? Any government is bad government.
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So write they did. The code swelled from ¾” to about 6” in matter of year and a half. I know because I was continually making updates to my ASME nuclear code. In those days the code was revised about every four or six years-I can not remember-and updates came out as addendums. I had to cut and paste these changes into the code. Nowadays they provide the whole page. The code became so thick I held it together with long screws. At the same time the ASME started their quality assurance program. The fabricators had to write a quality assurance program. Many of these fabrication shops were mom and pop operations so it was a blow for them to write a quality manual. The nuclear codes are now three volumes.
I can understand why many of these plants didn’t get the attention they deserved because the entire industry was in a state of turmoil. No one new what the code said because it was changing so fast. The ASME introduced Class 1, Class 2, and Class 3 areas and very few people knew where there equipment fell. I was an Authorized Code Inspector and didn’t know what it said. I was trained continually by Hartford. The companies were building these plants during this confusion. On top of that the piping software was not sophisticated enough to analyze for earthquakes or wind-only thermal.
The irresponsible management didn’t go back and evaluate these designs when it became practical to do so. Critical piping should been evaluated as soon as the software was available. If half the pipe wall has been lost to corrosion how can these dunderheads expect the system to withstand an earthquake loading.
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I 'freaked' at that tense too – thought O no what now etc.
But hard-working Admin. hardly deserves such a tongue-lashing over a relative minor point. Keen was out of line in my opinion.
So many of our behavior patterns have a genetic basis, I believe, armchair observer that I am. For instance we seem to like to bicker. (like, over things such as global warming, other 'pet theories' or anti-theories – and the hostility/indignation that can be evoked can seem a bit perplexing, excessive) Well, living in a group – and we are social animals – each individual needs to 'hold his own' against other members or they'd 'take his stuff' etc. (trait has 'survival value).
Same with conflicts BETWEEN groups or clans. Chimpanzees protect their territory against other groups, and male chimp gangs can beat up on or even kill solitary males that enter their territory. Same with wolves I have read.
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I think this thread is being derailed by a conversation over the headlines…Corium production v. ice…no match.
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Prepared for a post-past-tense-prepare-tension post?
I had mixed reactions to this piece.
1. Alarm (but not surprise) that they clearly had no clue about what to do.
2. Mild pleasure that they were trying to think outside the box and brainstorm a bit. Our lives are in their hands, and their manuals apparently cover everything except meltdowns, so this was their big moment to get creative. Epic fail this time though.
3. Relief that this particular idea – the snowball in hell ploy – was rejected. They don't have much practice thinking outside the box though, so we'll get to watch them earn while they learn for the next 40 years or so (if they and we are very lucky).
4. OK, I admit it wasn't alarm that they clearly had (and have) no clue about what to do… it was abject terror.
SHUT THEM ALL DOWN
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funny, NoNukes – I like your 'more accurate' headline!
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agreed.. no nukes certainly beat admin on accuracy!! lol!
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It seems everyone here agrees dropping ice on the reactor is stupid, but it would not surprise me if they had an idea in the works to haul icebergs from the polar regions.
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The ice story proves that reactors are in control, not man. Quite pitiful, really.
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TBP – - d i n g – -
FUBAR condition
utter failure.
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He without bias, cast the first stone!
I'm repeating an earlier comment because I think it needs to be heard, and (ego in hand) I think it is clever.
"Yep! Noone is free of bias. Noone is without prejudice. Everyone has a perspective. It is our intellectual duty to be able to discern the biases and perspectives.
This reminds me of a friend who had a clear criticism of Scientology: "They're not Clear," they're "Blank".
To be free of bias and perspective maybe has something to do with Buddhahood~!!!
In the meantime, we are here, and we are human."
Remove this as a duplicate if you want, Admin!
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Ice for Daiini..
Unit 1
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-30/world/japan.daini_1_nuclear-power-plant-turbine-building-cooling-system?_s=PM:WORLD
Unit 2
http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/news/8smoke-seen-rising-from-fukushima-plant-in-japan56/
Unit 3
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFTKB00732520110314
I prefer warmed cognac.
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As a trained grammarian myself and quite interested in historical linguistics, I find this site quite refreshing in the thread lead stories. Sensationalized headlines? Not in my view. In any case regardless of your own opinion, I posit the focus of this forum lends itself to considerable linguistic latitude because of the bland pablum foisted by the main stream media.
And now having strayed from thread focus… I return to ice and nukes by offering this interesting tidbit of nuclear history involving ice and snow and the grandiose attitude of the U.S. military industrial complex:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/01/the-armys-underground-nuclear-ice-village/
http://www.thuleforum.dk/jon_fresch.htm
Little known Camp Century and Project Iceworm ranks up there with other asinine nuclear ideas like the 27 test bomb explosions of the fairly well known Project Plowshare :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare
Even more insane is an idea two years ago to blow up the BP oil spill using nuclear bombs:
http://oil-price.net/en/articles/use-nukes-to-contain-the-oil-spill.php
Yes, to NOT paraphrase a famous nuclear spokesperson: "Words like nuclear reactor mishaps and sensational may certainly be used in the same sentence".
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Thanks, Sickputer. Those links are well worth a look. The boys really really really want to use their shiny nuke toys, it seems.
As a commenter said about the nuclear ice village in your link, "Functional, undiscoverable, able to control the world…what else do you need?"
Your BP story brings on one of my recurring nightmares, namely that Big Oil, Big Nuke, and Big Coal will stop sparring with each other and form a unified front against Everybody Else. Maybe they already have, and their apparent rivalry is just Kabuki theater – who knows, outside the boardrooms?
Gotta tease you about "bland pablum" – that's an oxymoron, isn't it? Heh – I'm so old that the stuff was called "pabulum" when I was a tyke – the actual Latin word, rather than the brand name – you take me back a long time, to a world with no nukes at all.
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ag typed these pixels of light:
>Gotta tease you about "bland pablum" – that's an oxymoron, isn't it?
SP: Actually my favorite oxymoron at Enenews is walking dead.
My terminology "bland pablum" would be better described as tautologic, pleonastic, or redundant phrasing, but I claim rhetorical license in my usage for that particular context.
Back on topic of ice… You have heard of Dr. Strangelove, but did you ever hear of Dr. Freezelove? It's a Cold War story of US military coercion of smaller governments 44 years ago and the resulting nuclear disaster in the frigid clime of Greenland. In the resulting cleanup known officially as Project Crested Ice, the extent of the contamination soon stretched over 6,000 square miles. Plutonium was prominently involved.
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=404
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My apologies, Sickputer. I had been chuckling at mental images of bland/spicy pablum and pounced on my own oxymoron construct as though it were yours – a geezer moment.
Elsewhere, Blown Camaro has posted that "nuclear safety" is the world's biggest oxymoron.
Thanks for the link to the Freezelove story. I knew about the incident, but I had not seen that particular account of it. There was some buzz about the story months ago at Enenews, focusing in part on how the Danish government of the day had lied to its citizens about the presence of atomic weaponry in their territory (Greenland). The results were disastrous, as you know.
From your link there is a bizarre photo op of a cleanup crew with a cartoonish "That's all, folks!" painted on one of their 25,000 gallon cleanup containers. Meanwhile the text says: “Residual waste was allowed to melt into the bay with the spring thaw, in the theory that the large volume of water would sufficiently dilute the radiation to safe levels.”
HEY EVERYONE, SICKPUTER'S LINK IS A MUST-READ:
http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=404
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A couple of thoughts about the above article, dropping ice is much easier than dropping water from a chopper since it is less prone to being blown away before landing where it is intended…
A large hunk of ice will cool whatever it is placed into that a bigger volume of water placed in the same container.
All that said; for me the real question is what is causing the temp to rise in #1!
Can it be this:
EQ's + H☢T Corium(s) + Ground water = (Hydro Corium) Fissioning
Fissioning + Time => Radioactive Steam Releases => Black Dust
Black Dust + the burning of radioactive Debris forms Black G☢☢
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