Japan Engineer: Fukushima contaminated water to go in giant pit — “It can easily be discharged underground” (VIDEO)

Published: October 19th, 2012 at 9:04 pm ET
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Mr. Yastel Yamada, a retired engineer and founder of the Fukushima Skilled Veterans Corps
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Mr. Yastel Yamada, a retired engineer and founder of the Fukushima Skilled Veterans Corps: Now we need the storage of the excess water. It increases day by day. You can see some tank here, storage tank of the excess water.

Tanks are not sufficient at this moment. Tepco has dug a pit and lined with bentonite and polyethylene seal, and stored water underground, and then cover.

But if there were any earthquake again here, a crack would generate, I guess. And I don’t know why Tepco has decided to make underground [inaudible] for excess water. It can easily be discharged into the underground water.

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32 comments to Japan Engineer: Fukushima contaminated water to go in giant pit — “It can easily be discharged underground” (VIDEO)

  • Radio VicFromOregon

    Mr. Yamada's words – "I don’t know why Tepco has decided to make underground [inaudible] for excess water. It can easily be discharged into the underground water".

    Unless, of course, TEPCO is alright with the tanks leaking. They are either thinking the water will only be held until it can be processed to low level radiation, or they are thinking, if it enters the water, it will be dispersed. Their reasoning is based upon the old science that low level radiation and dispersed radiation are safe radiation. They are making these decisions because they are winning the info wars. We must do more to educate the public, to get the sounder studies into the public eye. It is the only way to stop this charade.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi VicFromOregon

      Whatever the cheapest, quickest, and a good way to appease the others in charge, they will do it. They can spin something to make anything sound good.

      These are brilliant people, wish they were on Team E = Team Environment, instead of Team A = Team A..hole

      The environment and the public, is no concern of theirs, never has been.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      @VFO; I agree with all points ESPECIALLY with regard to "They're winning the info wars"~"We must do more to get the word out"!!You're damned right we do!!or we,they,them-are all damned anyway!! I saw something here describing how we are being "bitten by invisible poisonous snakes"-well we're being bitten by "visible" ones too!! They've evolved to where they walk upright & mimic human form,but they're still "cold-blooded" and "speak with forked tongue"!! I'd really hoped the election would bring out the "hot"-dirty laundry and hold some sort of a bright spot that could signal "hope",but neither of the d-bags are sane if they think it's a good idea to still tout nuclear crap as an "answer" to energy needs worth expanding & announcing new ambitions??!! The nerve of these MF'ers!!!~I hate using stale terms like "sheeple","lemmings",because MOST of them JUST DON'T KNOW WTF happened at Fukushima and the rest are stupid enough to believe the line of shit being fed them by their trusted handlers who've mastered the art of mass-programming of the pharmacologically "dumbed-down" populace who need to make an "educated" decision following "de-programming"and finding their soul again. Comments like this one offend curious "fence-straddlers" leaning towards a "pro" or "neutral" stance on nuclear,with neutral being the same as "pro" and a "lost" voice for sanity and a call for the end of the Nuclear Age and stop letting them shove their toxic…


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        cont'd~agenda & radionuclides down our throats!!


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Nice rant JB, but, a word on behalf of lemmings. I just read yesterday, sorry, can't find link where, but, google it, that DIsney wildlife photographers herded the lemmings off the cliff for a dramatic shot. It was assured that they committed mass suicide during food scarcity times. Since the lemmings had no desire to kill themselves, the photographers had to do it for them. Out of this event sprang a very twisted and distorted lie about an animal that most people in the world believe is true. So, guess that is a good example of how people can come to believe something that is irrational. It worked for Disney then. It's still working for them now. And, their nuke friends.

        http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma98/hogan/celebration/disney.html
        "Beyond Miramax, the Walt Disney Company also owns four other movie studios, Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone, Caravan, and Hollywood Pictures, six television channels including ABC, ESPN, the Disney Channel, Arts and Entertainment, History Channel, and Lifetime, nine TV stations, eleven AM radio stations, ten FM radio stations, seven daily newspapers, book and music publishing companies, the New Amsterdam theater in Times Square, retails stores in malls and airports worldwide, four theme parks, in Orlando, Anaheim, Tokyo, Paris, as well as a new cruise line. They also have important corporate relationships with such companies as McDonalds which help to market Disney projects through merchandising tie-ins…General Electric…"


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

          The misconception of lemming "mass suicide" is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. In 1955, Disney Studio illustrator Carl Barks drew an Uncle Scrooge adventure comic with the title "The Lemming with the Locket". This comic, which was inspired by a 1953 American Mercury article, showed massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs.[10][11] Even more influential was the 1958 Disney film White Wilderness, which won an Academy Award for Documentary Feature, in which staged footage was shown with lemmings jumping into certain death after faked scenes of mass migration.[12] A Canadian Broadcasting Corporation documentary, Cruel Camera, found the lemmings used for White Wilderness were flown from Hudson Bay to Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where they did not jump off the cliff, but were in fact launched off the cliff using a turntable.[13]


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  • Sol Man

    Hubris to all of creation is all that fits.


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  • patb2009

    TEPCO is waiting for a decent EQ where the tanks will all rupture.


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  • Cindy

    I thought they (Tepco) once , early on , filled a floating barge with highly radioactive waste water … whatever happened to that ?


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  • The storage tank does not look like it's out of tsunami range to me.

    Of course if there's another big tsunami it probably won't matter.

    Personally, I think the contaminated water is being pumped back into the ocean like a giant toilet. I just 'assumed' that's what they have been doing since the beginning. They can always use the 'we thought it would disperse' lie someday.

    (with radiation)
    disperse = spread


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      I think a hard rain could threaten it.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      Your mentioning tsunami made me realize that another event is probable in the future there. It is interesting and scary to consider ahead of time what that probably really means. I think we have to embrace that idea because the responsible people are not fixing or removing the dangers.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Yes, Anthony and ChasAha, a basic inability to take in all the information from the last event and change one's thinking. TEPCO, as do most people, still believe that large earthquakes and tsunami's, etc., are freakish and infrequent accidents occurring only every many hundreds or thousands of years. And, while that is true to some extent, these tend to come in clusters if you check back through history. It's like rebuilding along a river that will be flooding every other year for the foreseeable future because it had a short dry period of a few hundred years, but, has suddenly changed back to it's usual flood pattern. People do that along the Mississippi. Finally, neither the government nor the insurance Co's are going to insure their rebuilding. The same is happening for nuclear reactors. You only give money to stupidity for so long.


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  • Jebus Jebus

    The TRUTH about the atom, the industry and the LIE!

    All-Time Darwin Award: The Nuclear Industry

    “In 2000 alone, civilian reactors produced enough plutonium to make more than 34,000 nuclear bombs,” writes Smith.

    This is what the nuclear energy industry is about – producing plutonium, tritium and other ingredients for nuclear bombs.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/all-time-darwin-award-nuclear-industry.html


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    The excess water is the overflow they can catch. The water is under constant radioactive bombardment for 20 miles surrounding the plant. This water pit will serve no purpose nor will it solve anything. The Fukushima disaster is a China Syndrome test by the nuclear industry. Because of their unwillingness to concrete and entomb it must mean they want to test a nuclear theory by putting doing nothing into practice.


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    They ran out of room and money for metal tanks, which are not earthquake proof or terrorist proof.

    Now they are down to plastic sheets and 'pits'…

    Things are going from bad to worse..

    Next thing is just dumping it all in the ocean and not even trying… How long will a pit last?


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  • dosdos dosdos

    It was cheap that got them into this mess in the first place.


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  • razzz razzz

    At the 23 minute mark, he talks about groundwater seeping into the suppression basements (shows a TEPCO provided drawing) at a rate of 100 tons a day. That is added fresh water daily as it mixes with contaminated cooling water to become diluted contaminated water to be processed or filtered. Every 100 tons of water is about 25,000 gallons.

    Discusses keeping the water level in the suppression basements lower than the groundwater or the contaminated water being allowed to rise would soon flow into the groundwater. At least that is what TEPCO claims and this speaker has been onsite and is familiar with what is happening.

    So, you can see why TEPCO needs to dig holes in the ground to store all the excess accumulating groundwater that becomes contaminated in the open cooling loops. I take it the 100 tons of water to be total daily excess of Units 1,2 & 3.

    Speaker says the melted blobs need to be water cooled for 10 years (if the blob X3 are still whole and not separated). Of course, no one really knows where the blobs are for sure and no one knows how to remove them even if they do cool down after which the site will become a low grade radioactive swimming pool with all the excess contaminated waters being stored there during a 10 year period.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      razzz, yeah, they need to dig the water pits, but, i think that they could better spend their digging time doing the underground concrete and steel trench filled with boron to catch any run off in the first place. That solution is considered too expensive. The plan is still all based upon future decommissioning. I appreciate them wanting to make sure they get those cores in ten years, but, i'm just not convinced we will invent the technology by then to actually dig those cores out from underneath the reactors. I still suspect that "decommissioning" is code word for "looking normal". "Entombing" the reactors like Chernobyl, while only partly successful, will also hit future nuclear power generation hard in the gonads. TEPCO really doesn't want to have to call this plant a failure.


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  • hbjon hbjon

    If you were to decompose water and collect the hydrogen, you would find that approximately .015% of it is the isotope deuterium. That was preFuku. Since water is the substance that will come into contact with the fuel, we will see an increase in that percent over time. As well as tritium and of course other elements in nature. What is the plan for collecting the Krypton, Radon and Xenon from the fissioning underground coriums? If cool, they should be the heaviest gases in the air and collectible at ground level. They need to be removed from the environment somehow.


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    • razzz razzz

      TEPCO is to busy still worrying about radiolytic decomposition of water which produces some hydrogen. They are still injecting nitrogen to displace any hydrogen. This is a balancing act because injecting to much nitrogen sends clouds of other nuclear gas byproducts into the atmosphere or to little injection runs the risk of hydrogen build up.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolysis

      By sheer volume of melted nuclear fuel, Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl but Chernobyl's melted fuel was/is air cooled. In fact, scientists onsite risked their lives to make sure no water came in contact with the melted fuel by wading through flooded compartments to open draining valves. All of Chernobyl's fallout goes airborne while Fukushima contains some fallout in water.


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      • We can only surmize what is going on as Tepco is known for bending the truth.
        I think digging a hole in the ground and basically lining it with a tarp is an example of the desperation they are still facing trying to contain this disaster. Workers and robots can't go near the highly radiated areas around the melt throughs and any highly contaminated rubble dispersed through the hydrogen or possibly nuclear explosion. Workers have to work fast in the higher radiation areas where they can work so all the systems are jury rigged as best they can . All they can do now is pour water on the mess and hope for the best. Meanwhile, other governments do nothing because it is in their best interests to propogate the myth nuclear power is safe.


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  • How to Take Good Samples of Radiation
    This one done by an engineer experienced in radiation measurement. Hosted by Arnie Gunderson.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2012/10/how-to-take-good-samples-of-radiation.html


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  • Mack Mack

    Good grief. Look at this

    TEPCO photo showing where water leaked (Unit 4) back in August.

    http://fukushimaupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/waterleakreactor4.jpg


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  • If the water that was in contact with the atmosphere, it's probably after some time to evaporate. But it would be radioactive steam … and water was not …


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  • This link is a good start to understanding water treatment at "the plant".

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_disaster_cleanup#Water_treatment

    I don't think the resources are available to treat all the radiated water produced


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