Japan Expert: Covering Fukushima reactors in concrete like at Chernobyl should be considered — Nuclear Official: If we just buried them, no one would want to look at another nuke plant

Published: September 4th, 2013 at 10:09 pm ET
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Title: Errors Cast Doubt on Japan’s Cleanup of Nuclear Accident Site
Source: New York Times
Author: Martin Fackler
Date: Sept. 3, 2013

[...] some experts dismiss the current cleanup plans as just a way of defending the status quo by convincing the public that the damage can be undone [...]

Harutoshi Funabashi, a sociologist at Hosei University who led a critical examination of the recovery efforts by the Science Council of Japan [...] and other critics say Japan should consider other options, including the tactic adopted by the former Soviet Union at Chernobyl of essentially capping the shattered reactors in concrete and declaring the most contaminated towns off limits for a generation.

Japanese officials said the large amounts of groundwater under the plant mean that just covering the reactors with concrete would fail to contain the spread of radiation. They also said giving up on a large portion of Fukushima was not an option in a densely populated country where land remains a scarce commodity.

But they also suggested that the reason for eschewing a Soviet-style option may be the fear that failure could turn a wary public even more decisively against Japan’s nuclear industry.

“If we just buried the reactors, no one would want to see the face of another nuclear power plant for years,” said Shunsuke Kondo, chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, an advisory body in the Cabinet Office. [...]

See also: Bloomberg: Tepco now in talks to cover Fukushima reactors with concrete for next 75 years -- Officials reviewing plan in U.S.

Published: September 4th, 2013 at 10:09 pm ET
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91 comments to Japan Expert: Covering Fukushima reactors in concrete like at Chernobyl should be considered — Nuclear Official: If we just buried them, no one would want to look at another nuke plant

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Only an idiot would consider nuclear. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl showed the world that. As for Fukushima, it can't be undone, and the radiation can't be contained or stopped.


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  • Jack Jack

    Hard to believe that in the face of this crime against humanity, anyone would still hope for the continued use of nuclear power. Regardless, the plant is built on porous sandstone (thank you Westinghouse/TEPCO/Japan) and covering it with concrete would do nothing.


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    • behappy1

      ? lets say the corium is in the flooded basement taking a bath

      the russians dug underneath
      better living through chemicals
      pour tons of borax, ect.

      The dilution plan isn't working
      Containing anything, land, air or sea
      would be an improvement


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    • We Not They Finally

      That's interesting. Add it to the whole growing list of unworkable options.


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    • nedlifromvermont

      @Jack … it was not Westinghouse, it was General Electric, the atomic Hobbyhorse, who designed the Fukushima plant, supplied the under-designed containments for Units 1 – 3, and designed the other units. Place your blame squarely, where it belongs, on GE … where executives pushed forward with this crappy BWR design (fool pools up attic, reactor pressure vessel full of holes to let in the control blades, etc. etc.) even after their in-house experts revolted en masse (3 GE VP's quit the company over this issue in the mid-1970's) because these engineers knew the design was shit, and wouldn't stand up, and the emergency core cooling systems (ECCS) were a sham and bogus, and looked the other way when the Unit 1 steam dryer was found to be installed upside frickin' down …

      And GE has nothing to say about the toxic cesium gas it has caused to be unleashed upon an unsuspecting and gullible world … which burns at the atomic level, is water soluble, persistent in the environment, and threatens to wipe us all out, slowly, inexorably, while stoking the demand for cancer imaging systems which GE also just happens to sell, so that the bastards who gave you your cancer can take the rest of your money while they let you see yourself die, on digital tv, from a disease they infested you with.

      It is starting to look like the Nazis, with their more efficient methods of liquidating unwanted parts of their population, were actually more humane than GE.


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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    That would be convenient for the first 20 years of the 1000 year maintenance, but we can't put Fukushima Daichi under concrete because the underground leak of radioactive materials into the water would still exist. Concrete over the reactors would kill any chance of fixing the problem.

    People, even the specialists, still don't grasp the gravity of the situation. They are not thinking clearly if they come up with ideas like pouring concrete over the reactors.


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    • behappy1

      " Concrete over the reactors would kill any chance of fixing the problem. "

      from the article
      some experts dismiss the current cleanup plans as just a way of defending the status quo
      by convincing the public that the damage
      can be undone

      Do you relly think they can fix this?

      Cause I don't, and Im an optimistic person
      but they can seal it, might not be easy

      I believe that was the usa recommendation in 2011
      bury it.

      They can't go on with the water much longer
      people are starting to notice the ocean has a problem.


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      • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

        I don't think they can fix this. In our arrogance as a species we thought that there was nothing we can do to break the planet. Well we finally broke it. It's kind of like the vase that children break when the parents aren't home. You may try to put it back together with Krazy Glue but the cracks will still be noticeable and the vase will never hold water again.

        We will be judged by God and the angels for what we have done. The horns will sound. Judgment is coming.


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        • We Not They Finally

          There is probably a lot going on on higher planes that we know nothing about. It's worth nurturing spirituality these days — I mean not as an escape, but to realize that what may become a terrible, unliveable world is not all there is.

          Read the Hopi prophecies if you get a chance — "The Red Road Prophecies." They hit every nail on the head so far as a radiation-ruined world is concerned. But still there is hope. They say that some will have the secrets of "codes in the blood" (DNA?) It's very provocative. Sometimes unexpected things can happen. God knows, we need it!


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          • truthseek truthseek

            Thank you WNTF! I will admit to spending inordinate amounts of time with inward reflection and trying to reason the terms of my life, it's conclusion in this unimagined and unplanned realm which we are entering into. Convictions of my inner voice starting from childhood have lead me here, but I do not have a play book or any fashion of script for this chapter in my life. Teachings as you speak, have served to clear and better guide me in this blind phase of existence. Going to check out that reading.

            Lets raise consciousness, starting with awareness and hopefully steer this with our collective awareness and expansion… Get the miracles going…


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            • Anthony Anthony

              Thank you both for knowing this. I shared this link with obewanspeaks yesterday and I recommend it is worth a look at.

              **Those who choose to ascend now to higher levels of consciousness will be freed of the process of reincarnation in life after life, and will be given the ability to live eternally in the higher expression of life in a lighter, more highly evolved body in higher dimensions. Those who choose not to join the Ascension will continue their lessons at lower levels in other places.

              We are offering this message today, July 24, 2013, so that you can share it with every single person you know. Begin by printing out dozens of copies of this message, which will be posted on http://www.whoneedslight.org and http://www.hollowearthnetwork.com and many other websites across the world. We ask you to give a copy to everyone you work with and every neighbor you speak with. Hand them out on street corners. You will be doing a great service by giving your friends and family advanced preparation for the stunning events which will unfold so rapidly before your eyes that the uninformed will be overwhelmed by the wonder and apparent impossibility of it.

              Don t miss out on the joy because you are afraid or suspicious or wary of any news that does not align with the half-truths you have been familiar with. Do not be concerned that people will think you are a raving crack-pot. Very shortly they will thank you…
              http://disclosure-2012.com/page/482241582


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              • truthseek truthseek

                Thank you Anthony, (others respectfully)
                Our potential for ascension is untapped… [Not to border hyper metaphysical banter] Major catalyzing events often serve to evoke our awakening… Hopefully prospects for human awakening will counter .increasing. radionuclide induced fog, another topic.

                I think that facets of our human unfolding, are tied to (as of yet) undeveloped, unused or unneeded faculties which are in place to "switch" with proper – ascribed course of this development potential. We are talking about reality, in the pure essence of why we were put here on .this. planet or plane.

                I do hope that many others are following these (teachings) orbital planes of ascension.


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                • Anthony Anthony

                  I share your hope with you truthseek and think you are fully on the right path in your thinking. With planetary issues at Fuku level in action, the Earth is hurting. If the Earth hurts, all that live on it hurt too. We need to change the ways of thinking that led us to this polluted chapter of life. We also have to change the ways we are treating each other and environment. I am so glad others are starting to see now. I thank you back and wish you all the best in your life.


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            • vicky13 vicky13

              Morning Folks,,

              Note to SELF:

              DO NOT re-incarnate on EARTH again!!!

              aummmm

              )0(

              the wiccan vickyb in ottawa,, GRIN!!!


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            • Anthony Anthony

              **Our planet is the last one in the galaxy to be liberated. This exit is the EVENT HORIZON, or THE EVENT.

              THE EVENT will be a moment of breakthrough for the planet which will be physical and non physical. On the non physical plane there will be a big wave or flash of Divine energy and light coming from the Galactic Central sun going towards the surface of the planet. (The galactic central sun is an object in the Sagittarius constellation). It will be a flash or special kind of light from the Sun that permeates the earth and humanity. It will calm humanity in the light of love energy and end duality. It’s a magnificent energy not seen or felt before on earth. Everyone on earth will feel and know something has happened. It will be a surprise as to when it will happen, even for us. It’s never happened before. It will not be a major shock event, it will be a positive event. **


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              • Anthony Anthony

                **Day 1 – within minutes of THE EVENT happening (The Divine Galactic energy pulse):

                All banks will temporarily close – no access to banks for 3-7 days (up to 14 days).
                All credit cards and ATM machines will be temporarily disabled (up to 14 days).
                The reason for this is to cut off access of funds to the illegal owners of the central banks around the world, known as The Cabal.
                Most businesses will be encouraged to stay open, and continue to accept cash and checks as they would in their normal course of doing business. Checks will clear as soon as the banks reopen. (1-2 weeks after THE EVENT).
                If you do not have access to cash, and are in need of basic necessities which cannot be accessed through friends, family, community or emergency services, a voucher system will be set up in order to pay for goods and services.
                This is not free money. This is basically a loan to you for up to $1000. which may be used from the day of the event for food, medicines & necessities until such time that the banks re-open. After that they become null and void, and you will be charged for the amount used. Businesses will be compensated for legitimate vouchers which they then can process through any bank. Those people who elect to use vouchers to purchase goods and services will be responsible for re-payment either through their bank, or as an offset against future earnings/compensations.

                Day 2 – 14+**


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                • Anthony Anthony

                  **More Future Details to The Changes for The New Society:

                  The only tax will be 14% on new items purchased.
                  Humanitarianism will reign.
                  New technology will be released but electricity grids will be kept going through the conversion.
                  Everyone will receive $100,000 from collateral accounts.
                  Debts up to $100,000 will be forgiven. If over that amount, it will be analyzed. Real outstanding debt will be taken from that amount or if not enough, you will be advised to go into bankruptcy.
                  All countries debts will be forgiven.
                  Mortgages will be cancelled out.
                  Retirement accounts will be preserved.
                  Social security/retirement/health care will be changed; free health insurance will be provided for a new, advanced medical system.
                  The average work week will be 3-4 hours a day, 5 days a week.**


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                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    This is really off-topic. And even in the off-topic forum, religion is not an option for discussion.


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                    • nedlifromvermont

                      thank you, Anne … I was getting sucked in … and usually Anthony and I see things the same way … this is a weird tack for our chat forum …

                      nice to hear from you and I hope you are well!

                      We intend to keep hounding Entergy to close Vermont Yankee right away and to do a dry cask campaign immediately instead of their sixty year "Safestore"

                      Safestore??? sounds kind of like "friendly murder" …


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          • bo bo

            Although I don't understand all that's being said here
            I am having a feeling similar to these posts.

            I realize why I don't have the balls to bulldoze through my friends' laughing at me for 'believing' the world as we know it will be ending soon.

            If I truly believed there was a solution, I would be out there rallying troops.
            But since there seems to be none, it almost feels rude to wake people up out of their stupor. Why wake them up to reality and ruin their fun? I just stop in my tracks and tell them 'yeah…haha I'm probably crazy'

            I need a spiritual resolution.


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            • Anthony Anthony

              I think you understand more than you realise bo.
              **Here is the announcement: All contracts are finished, ended. All soul contracts are now cancelled. All those who came here to Planet Earth to manage difficult illnesses, complicated relationships, and challenging handicaps are now freed of all pain, all suffering. You now are completely free to exercise your free will without karmic strings, as you might think of it.

              In addition, all financial contracts such as mortgages, car loans, student loans and other commitments which have been arranged through banking institutions of all kinds are hereby cancelled. Personal commitments between friends will of course still be important to uphold, but corporations and banks will no longer be recognized as viable creditors because of the criminal and lawless system on which they are based.

              It is time for all of you to reclaim your freedom, take command of your own lives, and find your voices, as you see others around the world doing by taking to the streets to proclaim their passionate desire for a better life – one of dignity and the self-expression which democracy allows.

              Your Planet has declared her desire to ascend, and it has been done. You are now all in the historic position of being invited to elevate your consciousness to take part in the most ambitious plan ever executed in the history of the galaxy. Now, in the span of one Earth lifetime, you can move from a 3-dimensional life to the coming Golden Age in the higher…


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        • It is here now.

          We judged ourselves and were found wanting. No one else needs to do that job.

          But if you truly believe someone is coming to judge us, you may want to consider that they came, and offered help, and we refused… just like in the time of JC.

          Many throughout all time have been sent, but each was refused, killed, tortured, etc..

          Free Full Length Movie; UFO Delegation (W56) Contacts And Befriends Italian Group; via @AGreenRoad
          http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/free-full-length-movie-ufo-delegation.html


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  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    Ironically what needs to be explained to these so-called specialists is that The Earth has been shot with a radioactive bullet that has penetrated the flesh to the bone, and the bullet and shrapnel will cause an infection that will slowly kill the planet if the bullet is not removed.

    What we need is The Hand of God to come and remove the bullet.


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      • Anthony Anthony

        And you are right:
        **There will be no turning back. No changes in the Divine Plan will occur. With the Equinox in September, your old paradigm will be finished once and for all.
        After this date, everything that is not based on Love and Light and which belongs to the old 3D illusion will not be capable of surviving.

        You will all be uplifted in such a way that a progressive movement which is not based on Love and Light will simply not be possible anymore. Such situations which are based on the old illusionary virtues will be resolved. You will quickly find solutions to your situations that keep you busy on an individual and global basis.
        And now you are less than a month away from this uplift.

        At present, the last battles are fought by the ones who cannot accept the change at hand and that the old game is reaching is expiration date. This is the reason why so many acts of war are reaching a new culmination. Please rest assured that after the date of the Equinox in September 2013 all such situations will be resolved in Light and Love – and very quickly.

        Gaia is supporting your transformation. The forest fires, flooding, storms and earthquakes shall support your transformation into the Golden Age of Gaia. **
        http://disclosure-2012.com/page/482319742


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        • Anthony Anthony

          September Equinox in Sunnyvale, California, U.S.A. is on. Sunday, September 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM PDT


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          • Many predictions have been made for 2,000 years about the return of this person or that, calamities, light beings, planets coming close by, comets taking people up, armies of light invading and chasing all dark beings away, etc, etc…

            We hope you are correct, but if this does not happen, or it is 'delayed', do not give up or stop. Do not be discouraged. Never give up…. NEVER! as the Dalia Lama says.

            He is a good example, because he lost his whole country, but is not bitter or angry. He is not advocating for overthrow, attack or reprisal.

            Self Inquiry And Searching For Truth; via @AGreenRoad
            http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/self-inquiry-and-searching-for-truth.html

            We are all perfect just as we are, no changes are needed. No need to follow dogma, go to certain places, travel anywhere, or think certain ways.. Just BE.

            If anything, stop thinking… or if that is impossible, look for the spaces between thoughts.

            What is that space?

            What happens if we stop thinking?

            But no matter what, it is still a good idea to shut down all nuclear power plants, whether something miraculous happens or not.

            Shut them all down!


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    • truthseek truthseek

      zardoz very well said, a perfect metaphor.

      Or maybe a fairy with a magic wand.

      Or ET with special powers.

      We need a MIRACLE to resolve this…
      most UNimaginable human folly,
      TEPclowns fumbling with the
      destruction of our planet…

      Or turn to back the clock of humanity
      and NEVER turn the NUK switch.


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  • corium pudding corium pudding

    The real horror begins in November. That's when the futile event to remove the fuel rods from reactor 4 begins.

    Doom. Glad I'm not young. I'm glad we all are designed with limited life spans.


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    • We Not They Finally

      I cringed when I even read what they plan to do in November. It's like a Hail Mary on a football field clogged with debris, fog and mud. I quaver that they can even successfully remove one fuel rod. But that was a clear sign of abject desperation on their parts!


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  • truthseek truthseek

    Capping this (to me) is no different than placing a lid over a vigorously boiling pot, until you reduce the flame or heat the d@mn thing is still going to boil over – emit what is inside.

    Fukushima, what a comedy of errors compounded over time…


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  • many moons

    They just don't get it…amazing.
    They are still focused on the preservation of the image of nuclear power in the face of this unending disaster….

    kinda like worring about expensive bottles of wine that might get broken on the titanic….the big picture is hidden behind the big dollar sign.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    “If we just buried the reactors, no one would want to see the face of another nuclear power plant for years,” said Shunsuke Kondo, chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, an advisory body in the Cabinet Office. [...]

    "If we just buried them"..simple is it?
    "No one would want see the face of another nuclear power plant for years"?

    Is this what this is all about…appearances?
    Of course it is..
    A ruse..an endless 'slight of hand' in an attempt to show control.
    Life on this planet is being traded for appearances.
    Lethal vanity.


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  • weeman

    Let's find out we're the corium is first and then and only then can a plan be formulated.
    Every accident is different and must be handled accordingly.


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    • nedlifromvermont

      coriums are approaching the mantle …. they will be arriving there any minute. Then the semi-molten rock gobbles them up and seals off the releases and problem solved …. just in time for the MLB playoffs!! (They planned it that way)


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  • mairs mairs

    Did anyone see any sense in those statements? At all? Apparently no more than I did. "Giving up on a large portion of Fukushima is not an option"? So who gave them a choice in the matter?


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  • dosdos dosdos

    You can't bury that which is still bleeding. Why does anyone even entertain the idea?


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    The esteemed nuclear engineers cant design a plant that is fail-safe, they are always breaking down. Then when something really goes wrong like blow up or melt down, which happens every 10 or 20 years, they cant fix it, or dont even know whats happening. What happens next is that entire countries become polluted and land becomes uninhabitable. YET THEY STILL HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CONTINUE. I wouldnt let a nuclear engineer design a tricycle, they have no common sense. The Obama and all the others support this, taking tax money from the public. Thats not the end of it. A few people realize whats going on BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC wont listen. I cant imagine a crazier species. Let humans self exterminate, they just bring pain and suffering.


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  • jk641

    The Japanese govt is actually afraid that the Japanese public will sour toward nuclear power?
    After all this mess, they're still worried about that? The <i>image</i> of nuclear power?
    Are they serious??
    They really want to turn their reactors back on, don't they?
    Well, that explains a whole lot.

    Trying to keep the Japanese public (and the rest of the world) in the dark about what's happening at Fukushima, the whole freakin' media blackout, trying to make it look like everything is okay, all the lies, trying to sweep everything under the rug, etc, etc, etc..
    The Japanese govt and Tepco are really in bed together, aren't they?

    I can't believe they are still worried about the <i>image</i> of nuclear power.
    After all this time, they still don't have their priorities straight.
    How about cleaning up Fukushima, and protecting your citizens (and the world citizens), and making sure that this kind of disaster never happens again?

    How can you even entertain the thought of operating nuke plants in a country that experiences more than 200 earthquakes a day??
    Especially after what happened at Fukushima?

    Must the international community take over the clean-up effort at Fukushima? Can we really leave it in the hands of the Japanese govt?


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      or maybe they let some fools blab away, creating news releases, (somebody has to do it), while in reality thousands work night and day to manage whats left of underground weapons facilities. You cant ask the neighbors to help with your house if youre loaded with bombs and guns and stuff, it looks a little suspicious. You can bet China and Russia are working on this intell


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    ROSE you are so RIGHT!
    This is doctors saying they can cure a deadly disease they invented to make bigger profits & then it gets out of every ones control! The sad part is they never made a cure for the profit making disease so many got super rich from! Now we have so much of the disease covering the worlds surface it will become a pandemic on the worlds children & the weak elderly. Then the cancer rates will become the next money center for a while until the people realize it's not worth it & just lay down & die in peace out of the governments programs of pain & suffering!

    What shall we call this DISEASE? The Fukushima Butt Bleeds or Babies with 3 eyes & no nose? Shall we call it the GE has Killed the Planet disease? It all fits the problem corporations have used by any & all means possible to secure they make a huge profit for their life time to carry on to their families, just as the Rothschild's did! Read the Rothschilds history & it all leads back to control of nations money. If records were made public surely their family would be high on the list of the ones who financed many wars & nuclear power, I may be wrong, but I may be right, but what matters is how this is solved!
    GOD BE WITH US WHO BELIEVE!


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  • rockyourworld

    women in North America should be warned against getting pregnant. I realize they dont want the truth be known because it will hurt the rich people but fgs dont bring any kids into the world with all this uncertainty, its already unfit to live in.


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    • We Not They Finally

      I'm with you in sentiment, even in reality. It's just the hardest for people to face. Individual deaths, however many, is hard enough. But death of a species or of a culture — almost everyone has a terribly hard time with that.

      I thought I was doing o.k. until one day I turned on a beautiful classical piece on the radio. And as soon as I thought, "This will all be gone," I started to "lose it." How much more difficult with life itself.


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  • amberlight amberlight

    If Shunsucky Konjob thinks that burying the reactors in concrete would turn people against nuclear power, wait til he sees what skyrocketing cancer rates and birth defects do for its popularity…


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    • many moons

      The nuclear industry as been very capable of deflecting responsibility for high cancer rates that already exist. They will continue to do so…Nuclear..the clean renewable energy!

      Nuclear is the quiet elephant sitting in the corner.

      On the other hand a big huge mountain of concrete covering a nuclear reactor…that's just such an obvious, ugly admission of the pitfalls of nuclear gone wrong…can't have it!


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  • PurpleRain PurpleRain

    You know, I sometimes wonder about all these anti-abortion laws and anti-family planning measures. Once the really terrible effects of radiation become more commonplace and there are more infants who might have no fully developed brains or that might be described as jellyfish-babies begin to happen…all these laws will have to be changed back to allowing safe abortions for the sake of decency and well…. you know.


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    • We Not They Finally

      I think that they do allow abortions in Japan (someone can check on that — I'm not actually sure.) It's beyond cruel to force a mother to bring a seriously deformed child to term.

      But I also think that in Japan (I read it — I don't have first-hand knowledge, admittedly) they kill such babies at birth and don't even put it in the statistics, much less show the child to the mother. By now, I would think that there is a lot of "anecdotal" evidence out there, but no one is interviewing young mothers. It has to be terrible for them knowing that they cannot safely bear a child.

      But all of northern Japan at the least is there now. Even if a child looks normal, the grandchild has a WROSE chance and so on. That's the way generational damage works with radioactivity.


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  • J.

    Readers may be interested in the Breakthrough Energy Movement. I just read about this today.

    http://globalbem.com/

    http://www.globalbemvoices.com/

    For a few years I've been familiar with the work of Dr. Steven E. Jones, who has put in the public domain his experiments with "Joule Thief" circuits. This is one of many exciting developments that will never be mentioned in corporate controlled media.


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  • rockyourworld

    i think the horns have sounded, look for strange sounds videos on youtube


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  • rockyourworld

    oh and may the rothschilds inhale or ingest the first isotopes


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  • We Not They Finally

    And why do they think that never wanting to see a nuclear reactor on Earth ever again, would be a BAD thing??


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  • razzz razzz

    Chernobyl was never really capped, the structure they built over Unit 4 there had openings big enough to drive a VW bug through and birds fly in and out all the time. The Russians sort of lucked out because the internal shielding sand and sand dumped in to put out the ensuing fire melted (vitrification) and helped encase any fuel left behind as a glass like substance and became air-cooled. The rush now is to complete the new structure because radioactivity is breaking down the vitrified fuel melt and turning it to dust which can blow away out of the old structure. Plus the old structures are beginning to fall down helping spread fallout again.

    Fuk-us still has to cool before being capped. What is left of the melt is like spent fuel without shielding. If areas of the melt fizzles every once in a while then cooling down has to start over in that spot again. A concrete cap will need pipes running inside to carry off heat and sensors for monitoring. Probably sand with boron, lead then a concrete cap. Any missed or unreachable fuel melt gets eroded and flushed to the sea unless by some miracle the contemplated ice walls work.

    All SFPs need to be emptied and that will be a trick within itself.

    No hurry to unload Units 5&6 huh? Do they still want to restart them?

    500 tanks is now 1,000 in the tank holding farm. A major quake would wipe them out like a bowling ball hitting pins as Unit 4's SFP splits wide open.


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    ….in a densely populated, seismically active country where land remains a scarce commodity, wouldn't you think having so many nuclear reactors is a really fucking bad idea!….or am I crazy or something…..


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  • ruppert

    I really can't imagine the so called event taking place in November as the radiation is getting to the point where the workers won't be able to even work there or the area will just be evacuated. So in the meantime we will just examine the situation to death while it gets worse.

    I think they created this removal of the spent fuel rods as a way to buy more time.

    The plan all along was to make it an impossible situation and to be able to say "There's nothing we can do".

    For a country that is in such dire straits, you would think they would "open the books" to the outside world but their cries of needing the world's help merely amounts to "We want your money and we will set the agenda".

    Piling massive amounts of concrete on top of that porous foundation sounds like a real winner.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Weeman is correct. First, find and map the corium. Then we canfigure out a plan.
    Where's the damn corium, Japan?

    "capping the shattered reactors" = Sarcophagus. ;) (Told you so.)

    Sandstone doesn't matter.
    Groundwater doesn't matter.
    Pound in two Impermeable Walls in a rectangle around Units1-4, 100' apart, 100' deep.
    Excavate and fill with reinforced concrete.
    Solid foundation will stop flow of groundwater.
    Pour grout to fill 3 corium lava tubes.
    Fill Torus basements and wet wells with grout.
    Fill containments with grout.
    Fill SFPs with grout after removing any intact fuel assemblies.
    Build a sarcophagus over Units1-4.
    We are fighting for all life here on Earth.
    Shouldn't we at least try to do something about it?
    Might as well try to build a Sarcophagus.

    (TEP.gov: Forget restarting nuke plants. The people utterly rejected that option the instant #3 blew up.)


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Well, people. Human history is about people trying to scratch out a living on the land, while the landowner built castles, and the king goes to war with other kings. Human civilization failed. So? Throughout the universe, millions of civilizations have failed. Because most civilizations rise up only to kill themselves off. Perhaps Universal Consciousness will yet intervene to save us. Perhaps UC will simply whisper the right words into the right human ear, at the right moment, and we will be able to save ourselves.

      PhilipUpNorth says:
      "Given human limitations, it's not remarkable that the human race doesn't accomplish very much..
      What is remarkable is that we have been able to accomplish as much as we have."

      ;)


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    • scottyji scottyji

      I deeply appreciate your engineering/construction suggestions.


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    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      The sarcophagus was obsolete at Chernobyl even before 26 years elapsed. The cesium levels haven't decreased. I don't think we are getting the whole story of Chernobyl. Even outside the exclusion zone people are suffering and dying of radiation poisoning.


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  • Cisco Cisco

    More propaganda by way of CNN article, a mouth organ for the nucleocrats

    "According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Level 3 applies to situations in which there is "severe contamination in an area not expected by design, with a low probability of significant public exposure."

    It doesn't matter how many people will get sick, how many will die, how many birth defects, how many unexplained diseases, et al. But what matters and will get the attention of the elites who foisted this nightmare technology on the world, will be when real estate values of their west coast beach front homes collapse.

    Then it will become a serious matter.


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  • Wooster

    An utterly pointless suggestion when you have three simultaneous China Syndromes underway.


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  • Wooster

    CRANE COLLAPSES ONTO REACTOR BUILDING 3 AT FUKUSHIMA

    Just when you thought things couldn't get worse, here's today's latest incredibly stupid stunt: a crane collapsing onto reactor building 3. The collapse starts around 1.30.

    http://youtu.be/J_SA3G1X7F4


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    • weeman

      After the collapse is that dust or steam that seems to cover the area, note the workers on the reactor.


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    • IMO – The crane is not 'collapsing' as in, falling down.

      It does not hit Reactor 3.
      It does not 'hit' the ground.

      If you watch the youtube user 'fuku1long' the recording is only at 2x speed instead of 20x speed.
      The 20x makes it look more dramatic.

      Here's the 'long' version at 2x speed.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkgjt4aUcVI
      (It begins at about 8:32 jst or at 16 minutes in on the recording)

      They frequently bring the cranes down for maintenance. The cranes can actually fold up.

      I have indeed seen a crane topple and crumble at Fukushima via the web cam forum.

      - Dark Suits -

      NOTE: What I noticed on this video is at 8:32 through 8:35 jst is the guys in the 'dark' protective suits walking on R4.

      I am just speculating, but I think the dark suit guys get to do the really dirty work.


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  • Wooster

    U.S. Department of Energy, Argonne National Laboratory, Nuclear Engineering Division:

    “We perform experiments simulating reactor core melt accidents in which molten core debris (“corium”) erodes the concrete floor of a containment building. This occurred during the Fukushima nuclear power plant accident.”

    http://www.ne.anl.gov/capabilities/rsta/cci/

    They found that corium lava can melt upwards of 30 cm (12″) of concrete in 1 hour.

    Check out this incredible photo: http://www.ne.anl.gov/capabilities/rsta/cci/images/mf-cv-hirez.jpg


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  • razzz razzz

    Here are a few links showing what they know about the locations of the melted fuel at Chernobyl. The flows have been mapped over the years. The only thing unknown is how much fuel remains in the building and in the melts. The reactor itself was found to be completely empty. The underground tunneling beneath Unit 4 there was never used when they realized the melts spread out within the building and never made it through the lowest floors.

    http://youtu.be/II8lDN4ufI4?t=17m

    http://library.thinkquest.org/3426/data/chernobyl-today/missing.fuel.html

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Safety-of-Plants/Chernobyl-Accident/#.UijCsxErLu4


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  • SusanS

    ☢ Fukushima Petitions to Sign & Share! ☢ Japan Needs Worldwide Help NOW! ☢

    http://tinyurl.com/FixFuku

    ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢ ☢


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