Japan Experts: Unknown if radiation will decrease over time — May rise again as highly contaminated debris comes from mountains

Published: January 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am ET
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Mothers first to shed food-safety complacency, Japan Times, Jan. 3, 2012:

Hidemasa Yamaguchi, a professor of food safety at Mimasaka University in Okayama Prefecture

  • “In the case of the Chernobyl accident, (1 kg) of mushrooms from Belarus failed to clear EU Customs in November because the radioactive cesium level was 834 becquerels. Even 25 years after the accident, this is the reality”
  • “So (we) should realize (food) contamination will continue for a long time in Japan”

Ikuro Anzai, professor emeritus at Ritsumeikan University in Kyoto and radiation protection specialist

  • “We have yet to determine if the contamination (of food) will lower over time, or will increase again as highly contaminated leaves from the mountains turn up on farmland”
  • “We must remain on alert”
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49 comments to Japan Experts: Unknown if radiation will decrease over time — May rise again as highly contaminated debris comes from mountains

  • James2

    Let me take the safe route and predict it will actually increase, but the reported radiation will decrease.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Chernobyl Mushrooms failed to clear Customs in NOVEMBER.
    If that doesn’t wake the Japanese up, nothing will. :(


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  • jec jec

    Every Japanese Citizen or persons concerned with radiation need a personal dosimeter badge. These badges, the size of a credit card, are cheap, about 30 UsD. They will keep a total of external exposure accumulation for the wearer on a yearly basis. Fukushima and other nuclear radiation is an ongoing issue, its not going away – best to do what can be done to track your exposure. It will be hard for TEPCO or others to ignore the radiation levels when collected in a organized and accepted methodology. Facts and data are the best ammunition against coverups.


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    • It is also possible to save baby teeth and hair samples (after hair cuts) and date these, for later testing.

      These methods cost NOTHING and the evidence cannot be hidden from these sources, even if testing is done years later.


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  • James2

    Jec I agree with everything but your last sentence.

    I don’t think those who are bent on covering this thing up care about facts. I don’t think they care about science. I don’t think they care about the truth And I think they will use all means at their disposal to continue the cover up.

    I’m really trying to understand the mentality that allows someone like a Prime Minister or a President or even a congressman or member of parliament to allow themselves to be manipulated away from the truth. Do they know they are being manipulated away from the truth? or not have a clue. Do they care about the truth or is it only about their pipeline of reelection money?

    The only way you get a mass coverup like this is to convince people that they are doing the right thing. How do you convince someone to go 100% against what the data proves?

    The only thing that would stop them – the only thing – is if Fukushima were to affect them in a personal way and that effect were undeniable to them.


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    • I doubt they would change even if they were personally affected. After all, two members of the Japanese government and two heads of the company have fallen ‘ill’. They left or were shown the door, and there was no big disclosure from them about what was really going on.

      Money has a powerful hold on people. Corporations ‘own’ people. The threat of having everything taken away is HUGE. Even if we are only talking about medical benefits, stock bonuses and retirement, most people will stay at horrible jobs, with bosses they hate and everyone lying, while biting their tongue and just bearing it. Most of these people are sworn to secrecy in WRITING, for LIFE, especially those in the nuclear industry. This is not some normal job..

      Then you get the society and education system training people to NOT think, NOT act outside of the ‘normal’ way, and to listen only to the ‘truth’ of mass media, owned by corporations, and you have what we have today. Corporations own the news outlets, and say or allow on the air, only what benefits corporations.

      In Japan, they also have the Yakuza system, plus a tradition of bearing difficult things while not saying anything, plus being quiet and not saying anything so as not to ‘offend’ anyone, because they live in such close proximity to each other..

      These things and more all conspire together to prevent people from organizing and doing what is needed to stop nuclear power. It will be a miracle to get people to rise up against the ‘Matrix’ machine, but as the movie The Matrix shows us, it is possible…


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  • The Japanese truly believe that they are different and a different case from Chernobyl. Good luck getting them to accept any of this reality as applying to them.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Jan 4, 2012 Japan Nuclear Safety Commisson Accepted Money from Nuclear Industry
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeIyf8HYttg

    Just when we thought all the dirt had been exposed, more dirt comes out from the carpet. It seems that members of the Japan Nuclear Safety Commission accept large so-called donations from companies in the nuclear industry.


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  • @James2: It is a mighty important point you made. In a state of India called Tamilnadu in the deep south which is a very stable craton, stresses may remain at the critical level for a long time. And unpredictably explode into a mighty earthquake, given the dynamics the earth is going through because of the excessses of modern civilization. Now it is a fact no nuclear can be safe. It is a fact that normal operations of nuclear reactors in Tamilnadu may raise the cancer death rate by 100% or much more because of the 9200 MW nuclear reactor park envisaged. It is a fact that by synergistic effects of radiation, the world’s nuclear reactors since 1980,during NORMAL OPERATIONS may have resulted in 110 million infant deaths till 2010. And in India some 11 million infant deaths. Still the Chief Minister there is not going the whole hog to tell like the West Bengal Government has done No nukes on their territory. Anyone looking deeply into enenews.com will say down with all the nukes and mothball them. Like the West Bengal Chief Minister she is in the position to declare no but she is pussy footing. Kalpakkam came to its knees in 2004 tsunami. The workers are suffering at India’s nukes according to reports. And there are studies to say the nukes consume all the power they consume. And the living energy endowmwnt of Tamilnadu like almost every state in India is enough to say no to nukes. Still they say Tamilnadu is short of power. See the danger of ignorance. You will get no energy from nukes outside of the nuke industry, the safety levels are ICRP witchcraft based and therefore a matter of danger unacceptable to the people, and they are on relay hunger strike for 100 days for scrapping the nukes. Still the fascists are ignoring them and waiting through till the people throw in the towel. The night of Brahma is due and we have to lie fallow for 4.32 billion years it looks like…See http://livingnormally.blogspot.com/2011/12/isothermal-engines-perfect-design-for.html


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    • VanneV anne

      The Prime Minister from Japan was just in India, presumably to protect Japan’s nuclear investment and income and to advise the government on how to present the propaganda to overwhelm the opposition.


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    • James2

      Don’t ever argue with someone who says “Nuclear powerplants operate safely”, or “nuclear powerplants operate cleanly”. The fact is they do operate safely and cleanly – probably more safe and more cleanly than other power systems. The weasel word in that sentence is “operate”.

      The real problem is they fail horribly – more than horribly – catastrophically. And a meltdown is irreversible and uncontrollable.

      The second problem is that there is no known way to eliminate the spent fuel. It has to be stored effectively forever and it has to be maintained – effectively forever.

      Concentrate 100% of your efforts on focusing on the disaster consequences of nuclear power. We now have two test cases – in less than a 30 year time span – where thousands of people were relocated, where millions of peoples lives were affected. Where two of the strongest governments in the world have virtually collapsed overnight – because of a nuclear powerplant failure.


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      • VanneV anne

        I think we SHOULD argue with anyone who says “Nuclear powerplants operate safely”, or “nuclear powerplants operate cleanly”. The facts are recorded in numerous places. Never let the propaganda stand alone without the opposing truth. Doing nothing in the face of lies is what will destroy us.


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        • VanneV anne

          When Good Men Do Nothing
          by Wayne Greeson
          “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)
          http://www.padfield.com/1997/goodmen.html


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        • James2

          Well, obviously you can argue what you want.

          However the facts can be denied about any nuclear powerplant still standing – even TMI – that anything dangerous was ever released from the plant.

          At Chernobyl and at Fukushima, facts are undeniable. Containment failed to contain the radiation during a meltdown. We have photographic proof of gigantic explosions.

          Thousands of people evacuated. Radiation reported far and wide. National economy brought to its knees overnight. Soviet Union collapsed. Japan is on the verge of collapse.

          Does India want to risk all the economic growth and prosperity it has gained in the past 15 years on a single failed nuclear plant?


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          • The health effects of “normally” operating nukes are becoming well known despite the constant lies. Numerous national and international studies confirm that people who live within a certain distance of “normally” operating nukes suffer more cancer, leukemia, thyroid disease and immune system compromises than people who live farther away. And that the statistics re-balance when the plants are shut down. That’s fairly inarguable even though nukes argue it endlessly.

            Check out this presentation of data from Joseph Sauer:
            Health Concerns and Data Around the Illinois Nuclear Power Plants. Particularly, notice the very significant rise in risk for brain and other cancers (primarily juvenile) near Braidwood and Dresden as well as Zion in the earlier study, and the reversal of that trend around Zion (but NOT Braidwood and Dresden) after Zion was shut down.


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            • James2

              Please don’t misunderstand me to say that operational dangers don’t exist.

              From the standpoint of winning a fight against nuclear power – I think it’s a losing position. From my perspective the only winning position is the catastrophic meltdown one – which is easily documented right now.


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              • No one needs a specific “position” or justification for turning away from nuclear power and demanding its end. There are dozens of serviceable justifications, anyone may choose among them. Fukushima is a great motivator at present, but it will fade from public consciousness in time. The nukes know this. They’re counting on it.

                Fukushima informs us that if the industry is allowed to continue, more catastrophic meltdowns will occur. That lends urgency to the task. Nukes are always going to say it can’t happen here. That started on March 11, and there’s been no let-up since. Some people believe them because they want to believe. But they don’t do anything about it because from that “position” there’s nothing to do. Such people are irrelevant, they have no power. And this struggle is all about power.

                The power this technology represents is very ancient and very dark. It lies and lulls human egos into believing they can control it, use it for their own selfish ends. It hides in the shadows of minds and whispers its deceits… “I am the light of the world,” it whispers to the prideful, though its nature is death and destruction. That will never change.

                It can only be defeated by the light in human hearts, a focused and immensely powerful beam to which we all contribute. Any old self-justification for our contributions – our “positions” – will serve.


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                • James2

                  I’m not disagreeing with you. In fact you just articulated exactly what I’m trying to say.

                  Before fukushima they said – “it was the stupid Soviets that messed up Chernobyl”; “It was their inferior technology”; it was their inept management”; “it was their lack of containment structure”.

                  All that went out the window with Fukushima. It proves to us that another catastrophic meltdown will occur – there’s no stopping it.

                  But that is a very different argument than saying they are not safe during day-to-day operations. Let’s face it, the public doesn’t really give a rip about the few hundred people who live next to the plant, but they do care about their cities, they do care about their own health, and they do care about the economy.


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                  • Ah, but…

                    More than 116 million Americans live within 50 miles of an operating nuke. Just over a third of our entire population! Thus the clear and present danger to all of those people and their children from ‘normally’ operating and occasionally burping (unusual events) nukes is obvious. And can be brought to present mind in a great portion of these people.

                    Ask anyone in New York City, Long Island and cram-packed New Jersey (not to mention Philly) how they will all manage to safely evacuate when their local nuke[s] melt down and blow up. The answer to that is that they can’t, so they will die. They’d have nowhere to go, and no one would pay for it. THAT is plenty good reason to turn against nuclear power entirely.


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              • The winning position is to recognise now the dangers of all the normal operating nukes and the catastrophic dangers, and to see that even the normal operations are catastrophic. India must not risk its potential prosperous health at the altar of nukes. Even the present operating plants and those under construction like the fast breeder are normally operating man made catastrophes. Applying the precautionary principle, what is the equation between infant deaths and nukes? And what is the equation between the catastrophic mining of uranium and feeding the fuel to nukes only to find the nuke industry swallow all the energy produced? Do the homework of energy audit of programmes of nukes. And has not Fukushima exhausted the space for any nukes forever? California food may be unfit to eat! When you put all the stories in focussed manner together you will ask and all people will have to, to close down all nukes and even change the way modern civilization operates because it is creating cumulative unacceptable dangers for all life and practically for all time. Everything is interconnected. And man made catastrophes like nukes and their mines interacting with nature are causing life to suffer sacriifices in utter futility.


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          • VanneV anne

            J2, your statement:
            “However the facts can be denied about any nuclear powerplant still standing – even TMI – that anything dangerous was ever released from the plant. ”

            This is an erroneous statement. Again you are arguing for the nuclear industry.


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            • I think he’s just speaking from what is known about the nuclear industry and its constant self-serving lies. Because yes, they lie day in and day out, about everything. Thus it’s not an erroneous statement, though there have been many people (relatively powerless) who have known they are lying all along. The general public tends to believe the nukes because they’ve cloaked themselves in the “we’re better and smarter than you” mystique, and it’s easier. A pat on the head so people can go back to watching ‘Survivor’ and ‘American Idol’ in peace.

              They lied grotesquely about TMI. And they lied grotesquely about Chernobyl. And most people believed them, still do. Those occurred during the good old Cold War, so lying was Standard Operating Procedure. For instance, did you know that nuclear grade graphite doesn’t burn? That’s why it was considered a good shielding/moderator material. Even at the Fermi pile the graphite didn’t burn…


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      • What about the constant and never ending radiation releases from EVERY SINGLE nuclear power plant, and the study from Germany showing that they closer you live to a plant, the higher the disease and death rate, especially among kids?


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      • VanneV anne

        Even without a disaster, there are cancer clusters around operating nuclear plants. Each operating nuclear plant creates TONNES of radioactive waste every years. Each operating nuclear plant destroys our most precious natural resources, water and air.

        James 2, sounds like you are working for Terrapower.IMHO. Condemn Fukushima, make the way for thousands of small nuclear power plants across the nation.


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      • Is during normal operations causing 100 Bhopals every year clean operations? The normal opeartions nukes are capable of is that. Assuming 0.1% of Cs137 inventory leak, we arrive at this result. See Health Effects of Nuclear Power During Normal Operations at http://isisunveiledhenp.blogspot.com/
        And I have just told that during normal opeartions they may be causing 110 million infant deaths the world over from 1980 to 2010. It made Gofman say that he did not tell about this sooner and that he is guilty that he did not do it sooner. Nuclear has absolutely no place on earth even during normal operations. Because the normal ops are so criminal.


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Excellent points, James2


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        • Radio VicFromOregon

          Better points anne and Ramaswami Kumar and JoyB imho. An old qigong saying – “where your attention is, there your energy is”. The reasoning is so much more powerful, so much more positively energetic from those who work diligently to find the causal links between radiation and sickness, nuclear power failures and economic downturns, and insightful, intelligent ways to help explain to the masses why the irrational prospect of storing any nuclear fuel for any length of time is madness, regardless of how well or poorly large or small plants function most of the time. Yes, we do need to also welcome debate and other views. But, many of us are now needed to turn out attention, our focus to the next step – communicating what we know to be fundamentally true in language and images the masses can perceive. A single central message that requires little thinking, little research or time, not full of large dire predictions which sends people running hither and tither seeking authority, the very authority that betrays them. A simple message of why nuclear energy is bad for you. I firmly believe we can accomplish that here and get it viral. All our dialogue is working towards that result.


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          • +++++. James has his ‘turning point’ now and believes it’s all anybody needs. And he will have people who will listen to him and be as horrified as him at how bad things really are. Those of us who know others will need reasons more ubiquitous to the power itself in order to get motivated will be able to convince with many other [good] arguments. All the arguments will serve the purpose, which is to end this madness.


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  • To Anyone that remembered that lady gaga went to japan one month after the incident:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/lady-gaga-left-blood-in-hotel-bath-6284380.html

    Lady Gaga allegedly left “large amounts of blood” in a hotel bath.

    The eccentric singer reportedly shocked staff when she checked out of London’s lavish Intercontinental Hotel last summer and they discovered a pool of red liquid in the tub of her suite.

    One housekeeper claimed the pop superstar was “bathing in blood as part of a Satanic ritual”.

    She told website Truthquake: “Lady Gaga left large amounts of blood in the suite during a stay this summer. The incident was reported to the concierge, who was told to put it out of her mind.”

    Other sources believe Gaga could have been using the red liquid as part of a “weird” stage costume or prop.

    An insider said: “All of the hotel’s staff are convinced she was bathing in it or, at the very least, using it as part of one of her new costumes or weird stage routines.”

    While it is unclear whether the liquid actually was blood or what the singer had been using it for, it is not the first time Gaga has been accused of unusual behaviour in hotels.

    It has previously been claimed that she is terrified of evil spirits and reportedly has every hotel and tour venue scanned by a team of paranormal investigators before she will agree to stay there.

    The ‘Edge of Glory’ hitmaker – who has previously said she believes she is inspired by the spirit of her dead aunt – allegedly splashed out £30,000 on state of the art Electro Magnetic Field meters to detect spectres.

    A source said: “She believes in paranormal activity and won’t take any risks when she is on the road. It’s important to her to be safe from spirits.”


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  • Also a pneumonia outbreak in norway:
    http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/norway-sees-rise-in-pneumonia/

    An increasing number of people in Norway are developing an atypical form of pneumonia, the Institute of Public Health says.

    Note:
    Same place (Norway) had a mass fish die off just yesterday…

    Mass fish die-off reported at Kvaenes beach, Norway
    BY CHILLYMANJARO – JANUARY 3, 2012
    http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/01/03/mass-fish-die-off-at-kvaenes-beachnorway/

    food for thought.


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    • HamburgGeiger

      Hi, maybe we have such a pneumonia outbreak here in Germany, too. Everybody is coughing since at least 6-8 weeks and recovery is very very slow.

      Lets see:

      - pains in their muscles? yes, Sir
      - headaches? yes
      - sore throat? again yes
      - no fever here – but I can speak only for me and my family

      Never saw such odd colds around in all the years. It definitely is something special this year. But nobody thinks of Fukushima except me. There are lots of other explanations for people that refuse to see…


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      Yes, Tacomagroove. Much food for thought. It is nearly impossible for “scientists” trained to see no causal link between anything they haven’t been told is linked already, to make this jump as you have. They, as do so many, are trained to see the world as random disconnected parts that just happen to be coinciding in space together due to measurable but unseen physical forces. Suggest a link between a whole lot of illness happening simultaneously in a region and you become suspect. Notice that the world, or the universe for that matter, is whole and interconnected is considered in our modern age pure unfounded lunacy, unless you are one of those nut-job quantum physisicts. Thank goodness for lunatics!


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Yes but I’m sure there’s no connection. (sarc)


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    If money played no role at all. Nu-clear power, unnecessary. Greed, the reason for failure.

    Let us be kind, one to another, for we are each of us together in our pain!


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