Japan lawmaker: Plutonium certainly went deep within basement of Reactor No. 3 — Anyone’s guess where it’s at now

Published: September 20th, 2011 at 8:52 am ET



Breaking News: We are running out of time, Fukushima Diary by Mochizuki, September 19, 2011:

[…] “In reactor three, which suffered a meltdown, fuel rods containing plutonium perforated the bottom of the containment and embedded themselves in the basement of the building. Just where and how far the plutonium traveled, no one quite knows”. (political commentator Jirou Honzawa)

On the tenth of August, LDP party and Diet member Seiichi Murakami posed the question of the whereabouts of the plutonium to the budget steering committee of the lower house, but neither Minister of health, Labour and Welfare Ritsuo Hosokawa nor his fellow ministers were able to provide an answer.

The day after the question, Jirou Honzawa interviewed the member Murakami. “The plutonium is certainly buried deep within the basement, but where exactly is anyone’s guess, and no one is able to pin it down. […]”

Risk of sinking into the ground plutonium, Shukan Jitsuwa, September 17th, 2011:

Google Translation [Emphasis Added]

In Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant within 30 km, but some people think to go back to my house when I seen people despair, even more serious is going to come here.

“Caused the meltdown in Unit 3 are buried in the basement had to break through the bottom of the reactor’s plutonium fuel rods. What happened to that where the plutonium, I do not know anything” ([political commentator Jirou Honzawa]), August 10, the House of Representatives Committee on Financial Monitoring government, we have questions about the whereabouts of plutonium out of Unit 3, Seiichiro Murakami, the LDP lawmakers, ministers from the then labor minister Morihiro Hosokawa any thickness he could not answer.

Day after the question, say lawmakers interviewed this Taek Murakami. “Plutonium is supposed to be buried deep underground, and do not know anyone or where to find, would not even track down. However, since there are ocean away, that flows into the ocean through groundwater is no doubt. For this TEPCO is also no check at all. much of the media big government, what is that smell with a lid,” Rep. Murakami initially nuclear accident, exposed to contaminated water that ocean dumping of low concentration contaminants to the Aleutian Islands pointed out that San Francisco can reach [i.e. could reach as far as San Francisco] after the government response has not been convincing.

“Marine pollution has continued steadily.’s Scary, half-life of 24,000 years for plutonium, unlike cesium, much longer daunting. In the meantime marine pollution is followed. Here, some If you hit the would breach international law. the country has suffered losses of marine pollution, will be charged for damages. However, the government struck the only thing to get caught up in any immediate I do not” (this Taek) There is no time anymore.

Published: September 20th, 2011 at 8:52 am ET


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146 comments to Japan lawmaker: Plutonium certainly went deep within basement of Reactor No. 3 — Anyone’s guess where it’s at now

  • radegan

    Nice try – let’s all worry about the plutonium that went out the bottom of the reactor and fail to mention what blew out the top.

  • I have a little at my house… It flew over here in march… I am still waiting for you to come pick it up too. Please japan, tell me when you plan to pick the plutonium you spilled out all over my yard! I’d really really like it out. Maybe I could ship you the 1-2 feet off the top soil, and you can just send me a new yard?

    Oh, I didn’t realize that the reactors are still leaking…

    whats that?

    Not going to be fixed any time soon?

    well how soon…

    You don’t know”???

    What do you mean you don’t know…

    Well how long is the half life…

    20,000+ years…

    FML. cause its true lol

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      🙁 Tacoma, you’ve been so SPOT ON since the beginning, I just want to thank you and give CREDIT where it due! YOU are a Gem! I’m still HORRIFIED but you’ve been right all along. TY 🙁

    • radegan

      Try dropping off a few sacks of soil at the Japanese Consulate.

      • Darth

        How about dropping all the aborted deformed fetuses instead. And all the radioactive urine from the children as well.

        Let the fruits of their coverup pile ever higher.

    • lam335 lam335

      Don’t ask them to ship you a new yard. I’m sure they’d be very happy to ship you some replacement soil freshly dug up from Fukushima elementary school. It would save them the cost of incinerating it.

    • midwestern midwestern

      Tacoma, I think that ‘soil’ could be put to good use in the White House Rose Garden, as evidenced by this address yesterday by President Obama, “Obama prioritizes nuclear, cuts back on gas and oil”: http://www.ecoseed.org/politics-article-list/article/3-politics/11272-obama-prioritizes-nuclear-cuts-back-on-gas-and-oil.
      Maybe it could be handed out in bags with lettuce seeds attached to the MSM during press conferences (as press conference favors) or sold during press conferences to ‘beef up’ the economy, or used in the vegetable garden…
      I do wonder what the first family is eating these days, and the Clintons, and if they are supplementing their diets with the same things that we are, or doing cleanses aimed at eliminating ingested radioactivity.

      • lam335 lam335


        “A March poll by Pew Research showed only 39 percent of Americans support expanding nuclear power in the U.S., down from 47 percent in October.”
        –so this is government of, by, and for the people?
        –the “people” of Exelon, GE, and Duke energy, that is

        “The close relationship between GE and Obama is conspicuous on the policy front, with agreement on bailouts, stimulus, climate policy, health care reform, high-speed rail, wind energy, electric cars, embryonic research subsidies, export subsidies and more.”

        “While GE may be the Obama administration’s closest corporate pal, Duke Energy — the No. 3 nuclear power company in the country — is probably the Obama campaign’s biggest supporter.”

        “Duke, like GE, actively boosts Obama’s climate agenda, and, like GE, Duke stands to profit from it.”

        “Exelon CEO John Rowe is a vociferous and longtime advocate of climate change legislation. In 2009, Forbes reported that if the Waxman-Markey climate legislation — supported by Obama — became law, “the present value of Exelon’s earnings stream would increase by $14 a share, or 28%.””

        “Exelon and its employees were the seventh-largest source of campaign money for Obama, 49, during his four-year Senate career, contributing at least $71,850, according to the Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics.”

    • One trick I learned, buy anything for japan, and wait until they send you something with a ‘paid postage’ stamp…

      Find a brick…

      Attach the brick to the paid postage envelope (in this case ten pounds of soil).

      Ship away. As Japan picks up the check…

      Does tepco issues paid postage envelopes? This could get interesting…

  • http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/

    Sept 19th Reactor 1 spiked 411 Sieverts.
    Sept 20th Reactor 1 currently 192 Sieverts.

  • StillJill StillJill

    Love your sarcasm humor today Tacomagroove!
    I think we’re going to need to use our ‘humor’ to break the bunker stress,…Oh, that and skunk weed!

    • radegan

      Skunk is an expectorant and given what you might be breathing, not a bad idea to use something to cough it up.

    • Lacsap Lacsap

      Weed cures cancer (or can cure).

    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Yes, humor always brightens the darkness.

    • oscar419

      lol….Skunk #1 an old classic that is still in many of the newer strains, Northern Lights is like that as well. Matter of fact I did NO outdoor cultivation this year and was strictly indoors, I have no idea what would have been falling on them from the skies. At one point I collected rain water but that ended earlier this year, thank God for a well.

      I have already added lights to my room and have started a wide variety of greens, spinach, peppers and few herbs such as basil, cilantro, parsley and a few others.

      OK so I am paranoid and my neighbors think I am wacky, most of them have no idea the depth of the situation the planet is facing. Maybe if they spent less time downloading porn and more time using the information available to them on the net they would be doing the same.

      When part of Japan slides into the ocean I will have some nice beachfront property here in the mountains of Maine…hahahaha

      • StillJill StillJill

        That is too bloody funny Oscar419–the blend I landed on as my staple, is Northern Lights/Skunk mix! I can take shills from all four directions, hurling their very best,…and laugh,..and I grow like Mario Brothers, when they eat the weakies! 🙂

        • oscar419

          we need a “like” button…

          • Arizonan Arizonan

            Great idea! If we had like buttons under each comments, that could send to Facebook, twitter or elsewhere, then we could expand the numbers of ways the info gets out to the general public. I love this site!

          • moonshellblue moonshellblue

            Kudos, I could have just hit the like button. Great idea, I don’t know how difficult it would be for the Admin. to add this feature but I don’t think it would take a lot of time or effort to implement. Unlike cooling Fukushima so they can just cover it up and stop the radionuclides from spewing out.

  • ocifferdave

    Anybody know when this video came out? It’s a nice piece. Could be a good article/headline for an enenews post.


    • ocifferdave

      oops, nevermind! This is that vid from a few days ago that I couldn’t get working for whatever reason.

    • I think aljazeer has exclusive rights on the story, but the video had been linked in on an earlier thread.

      • Whoopie Whoopie

        I was so PROUD of Aljazeer yesterday when they came out with this. NOW to get the rest of the MSM talking. Therein lies the problem. They are failing us on all counts, not only with Japan…er WAIT!! Thanks all that f**king MATTERS. 🙁

        • ocifferdave

          T&W, what if its seems to the powers that be that this Fukushima and Chernobyl problem is so unfixable, will always be there to haunt us and get worse over time, that they just throw up their hands and cover it up, do nothing much, and try and suck the rest of the $$$ while they can from the people in hopes that with enough of power and wealth they can survive the storm? Or let me say it another way: We are DDDOOOOOoooOOooooMmmmmmMMMmmed!

          • Whoopie Whoopie

            Haven’t we been saying for months NOW that this MUST BE much worse than we even realize?! And that THEY know it too?!?!
            I feel like digging a hole and hiding. Like everyone else says, but esp TG and Outnow at HP, WE’RE HEADING FOR BAD BAD chit come fall/winter. The only thing I KNOW I”m going to do is double down on my efforts to WAKE UP DC, DEMANDING an investigation into this damn NRCommission! I’m going to go to any and all protests here on out…and scream my head off until I die.
            They are SCREWED. What kind of Future do they have. They are the new WALKING DEAD. I’m sorry if I offend anybody with that…it’s the damn TRUTH!

            You can remove this if you want to. I will understand.

          • DC = Politicians
            Politicians = Lobbyists
            Lobbyists = Lobby for Nuclear power
            Lobbying for Nuclear power = Profits.

            Politicians get profits from giving power to the NRC.

            Your basically asking them to please stop taking your money and ‘killing you for it’.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            Radiation Scare from Mobile Phones – VIDEO

            Nerve cell damage in mammalian brain after exposure to
            microwaves from GSM mobile phones

            Blood-Brain Barrier Leakage And EMF Radiation Damage, Leif Salford

            Studies showing no health risks from cell phones and cell phone towers are not quality studies and are financed by the cell phone industry. Greatest damage is to young children.

          • Arizonan Arizonan

            You know many years ago when I was working on campaigns against depleted uranium, and learning all I could about, for example, DNA effects from already-released radiation, I kind of went through what will call a “curtain of death.” That is, each human who finally realizes what is going on has to also acknowledge and accept that the life/genetic conditions for all species on earth are getting worse; Fukushima will speed up this process, but every release from every nuclear power plant and every DU weapon speeds up the process as well. We are dying, and we have been dying since Aug 6 and 9 1945. All of us. Those bombs never did just affect the Japanese! The US also bombed itself into declining birth rates throughout the 1950s (E. Sternglass et al). However, once you go through that curtain, and you accept that we are doomed – eventually – it can make it easier to snap out of it and still take responsibility for doing what anti-nuke work you can do in the HERE and NOW!!

          • Grace Grace

            @ Arizonan, I keep wanting to say ‘Amen to that’.
            Yet, this fear of death is interesting, is it not?
            I wonder about it, this human experience, we acknowledge our spiritual basis, we are all connected, all energetic vibrations. That is why for me, peace and love are fundamental, as is forgiveness, empathy and compassion, most simply expressed as kindness.

          • Arizonan Arizonan

            Dear People who are focused on dooOOOOOMMM….

            I just read a story about a line of naked, starving, beaten and therefore docile people who had been lined up by the Nazis to file into the gas chamber. One of the Nazi guards knew one of the women had been a dancer in her previous life. He asked her to dance for them, and she complied. She moved every closer to the guard, finally taking his gun and shooting him dead. She was also immediately shot dead. However much she knew she was going to die, she took one of the bastards with her. The least we can do then is get our asses into gear and keep up a barrage of information to the MSM, to anti-nuke groups, and to those snail or email addresses where we can best alert the pronuker authorities that WE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING and WE AREN’T TAKING IT QUIETLY!

          • dharmasyd dharmasyd

            Death and Evolution. Since evolution has now become the evolution of consciousness, the species which is evolving must, of necessity, become aware of it’s own death.

            The first glimmerings of this for homo sapiens, millenia ago, propelled this evolving species into various attempts to deny death. Through religion (an afterlife), science (attempts to devise ways to escape death) — from Gilgamesh to Kryonics — homo sapiens have tried to elude death.

            But, as the psychologists say, whatever we deny is bound to come back writ large to haunt us because it is that denied content which is not integrated and therefore blocks our way forward, our growth.

            Therefore, there is great irony in the fact that our science, our attempts to control and master nature, have brought us to this point where we have created …


            It requires that we recognize our place within nature, full circle, with the realization of individual death.

  • ocifferdave

    I think I found a vid we haven’t seen yet. A video of Busby talking to us the viewers, 1 on 1.


    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Thanks ocifferdave. It IS NEW! to me
      Posting to HP
      I KEEP posting HP because I’m hoping to see some of you there. If not, that’s cool too. You guys ROCK!

      • Whoopie Whoopie

        Oh good! Outnow just showed at HP. Here’s what he(?) says about Busby’s new one:
        “The presentati­on is a very sobering statement. This is sad for everyone on the planet and the people of Japan in particular­. Busby claims that Japan is dumping radfioacti­ve ash all over Japan so that no accurate background increase can be detected to apportion damages and to prove causality.

        The lungs of the children of Fukushima are taking in the hot particles and the children are ingesting the radionucli­des. Very disturbing news of the world’s greatest nuclear disaster so far and the alledgely corrupt response from the government­”

        • Whoopie Whoopie

          In Japanese

          • arclight arclight

            thank you prof busby!
            thanks whooppee….the japanese website could do with and english donate button methinks….do you think busby will think of that whooppee?

        • Arizonan Arizonan

          Unfortunately, I believe his hypothesis. The current generation of Japanese health physicists and nuclear engineer folks were trained by people who had been trained by people who were from the United States in the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is clear that some of the foundational dose-effect studies, those on the Atomic Bomb Survivors, are nearly useless because the so-called “control group” was also exposed. So I guess Japan just got used to doing things that way? Why would you trust the nuclear science of people who had just bombed two of your cities into instant oblivion?? What Busby says is true – burning nuclear waste all over Japan will have the effect of eliminating any possibility of having a control group, which will eliminate any possibility of proving dose-response harm in a court of law, which will keep the liability costs down into the foreseeable future. Dr Busby has been around the block a few times, and he knows altogether too well whereof he speaks. I also think he is one of the great brave independent scientific voices of our time.

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Yes, I posted it all over comments about six times yesterday!! Fantastic video, and very moving.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    There are more than 21 deep vertical shafts at Fukushima Daiichi. So the plutonium went a lot deeper than the basement immediately.

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Source please! if poss

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Here is a previous post of mine:
        September 14, 2011 at 11:09 pm
        There are more than 21 vertical shafts full of water at Fukushima Daiichi:

        “At 4:56 pm on July 22, we started transferring accumulated water at Unit
        2 turbine building vertical shaft to the Centralized Radiation Waste
        Treatment Facility (Process Main Building)….”

        Fukushima nuclear power plant with high radiation nuclear waste water into the sea again
        “4 month, around the intake of Unit 2 of the shaft has a sewage leak into the sea, it was estimated at 520 tons, and its activity for the radioactive material 4700000000000000 Becquerel….
        “On there [Of the] more than 20 other shafts risk of sewage leaks, Tokyo Electric said it had planned to use concrete block before the end of June.”

        It is the contention of the Finnish nuclear engineer that these shafts down to the frozen methane level caused the excessive ionizing radiation at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. The subsequent remediation by HAARP caused the 9.0 earthquake.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        This was to Arizonan. I don’t know how deep these shafts go.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Here is a source for the Finnish scientist’s theory:
          Nuclear Power Risks:Not Just Fukushima (+Video)
          “According to Dutchsinse:This video is the one I spoke of on Project Camelot last night…
          “Finnish scientist describing the Fukushima theory…. large holes underneath the plant IMPACTED by the blasts,which occurred after the large 9.0 earthquake,which itself was caused by the use of HAARP to remove PREVIOUS radioactive ionizing radiation from the air,strip electrons,and have them drawn into the ground via HAARP CONJUGATE POINT physics . As he says in the video…its like hammering a nail down into the ground.
          “The explosion @ fukushima produced a VERY large pressure blast. When the blast blew down the chambers below the Fukushima reactors…. this caused a chain reaction to occur at the layer of natural gas / methane that literally encompasses the entire planet at a certain layer in the earths crust. Which in turn has now caused problems at MULTIPLE reactors around the world that are built the same way.
          “This ALL happened because of a switch to an unstable combination of nuclear reactor core materials…Uranium and LETHAL plutonium.. These nuclear power risks will not go away by themselves.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Arizonan, here is another source:
        Press Release (Apr 19,2011)
        Out flow of fluid containing radioactive materials to the ocean from areas near intake canal of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 2 (continued report 15)

        “* pit: a vertical shaft made of concrete”


      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Arizonan, This source says that one of the shafts is 2 meters deep. I couldn’t read the Japanese for the source for this article:
        Saturday, April 2, 2011
        #Fukushima I Nuke Plant: Concrete Fill Failed on the Pit Near Ocean

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Arizonan, also posted by piehole:
          • piehole March 29th, 2011 at 11:38 am «
          In the above citation, Asahi Shimbun News referred to: “a vertical duct that is 15.9-meter deep”; I’m assuming AFP is referring to the same thing in the following March 28th story, which describes: “a 15.9-metre access shaft”.
          With respect to the height/depth of the actual TUNNEL, AFP says: “Each reactor turbine building is connected to a maintenance tunnel large enough for workers to walk through”. Yikes.
          Here’s the AFP story: Highly radioactive water spreads at Japan plant. [http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20110328-270588.html]

          There is estimated to be several thousand cubic metres of water inside the tunnel.
          “We need to check if the water could flow directly into the sea,” he said.
          Each reactor turbine building is connected to a maintenance tunnel large enough for workers to walk through.
          In the case of the reactor two tunnel, the water has risen to within one metre (three feet) of the top of a 15.9-metre access shaft which is located 55 metres from the sea, raising concerns it could overflow.
          I haven’t had a chance to read the rest of the article closely. I hope it helps flesh out the picture.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Some of the shafts may be elevator shafts.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Arizonan, Disaster at Fukushima Daiichi: How Did It Happen?

        can download a pdf:

        In the pdf, on page 12, a diagram of Unit 1,2,3 Operating Reactors, shows the reactor on granite and the turbine building on artificial rock.
        In the pdf, on page 27, the diagram (Emergency Core Cooling Systems) shows a huge Pressure Suppression Pool deep below the reactor.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Arizonan, here is a post which gives the depth of
        15.9 meters of a vertical duct/shaft:

        • piehole March 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm «
        It appears (see citations in my comments below), per Reactor #2: there is a VERTICAL DUCT/SHAFT that is 15.9-meter deep/high. The TUNNEL height is specified as high enough for workers to walk through. It’s length is 76 meters.
        TEPCO estimates there is: “several thousand cubic metres of water inside the tunnel”. So, it appears the tunnel is completely filled with water; and the 15.9 meter vertical duct has water up to “1 meter from the top”.
        Maybe these distinctions are meaningless. I’m just stating it for clarity’s sake.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Translation is by Google translator:
          東電によると、27日午後、タービン建屋から外につながるたて坑と地下トンネルに水がたまっているのを見つけた。2号機の場合、たて坑は深さ15.9メー トル、トンネルは長さ76メートル。たて坑の出口から1メートルのところまで汚染水が上がってきており、水の表面の放射線量は毎時1千ミリシーベルトを超 えた。

          According to TEPCO, yesterday afternoon and found that the accumulation of fresh water hole and underground tunnel leading out of the turbine building. For Unit 2, 15.9 meters deep vertical hole, the tunnel is 76 meters long. Contaminated water has come up as far as one meter from the outlet of the vertical hole, the radiation dose on the surface of the water exceeds a 1,000 mSv per hour.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          たて坑の出口から海までは約55メートル。海にもれた跡は確認できないという。トンネルには継ぎ目があり、防水加工は完全ではないという。2号機では、 タービン建屋内でも、高い濃度の汚染水が見つかっている。東電は建屋の汚染水とトンネルの間で水が行き来しているとみている。
          Vertical hole to exit from the sea is 55 meters. Leaked into the sea that mark can not be confirmed. The tunnel has a seam, is completely waterproof, he said. In Unit 2, even in the turbine building, water pollution have been found in high concentrations. TEPCO has been found that water back and forth between the tunnels with water pollution of the building. [Google translation]

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            This information is posted by:
            • piehole March 29th, 2011 at 10:25 am «
            I just came across the following at a blog called The Automatic Earth:
            From Asahi Shinbun update (in Japanese, new information only; 7:26PM JST 2/28/2011):
            [must be 3/28]

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Press Release (Apr 19,2011)
        Out flow of fluid containing radioactive materials to the ocean from areas near intake canal of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 2 (continued report 15)

        “* pit: a vertical shaft made of concrete”


      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Psaul_L on May 15, 2011 – 9:56am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top
        This engineer, Arthur Hu, who describes himself as a conservative, has some strong words to all sides of this issue, and makes the case that intervention is needed. TEPCO is completely out of its depth. The situation is very grave, and the emergency is not limited to Japan. The stuff does not stop at the border, and it’s coming out at an alarming rate, with no end in sight. I will just copy the last few relevant paragraphs of his article:
        The entire north corner of building 3 is collapsed to BELOW the top refueling floor, which is inconsistent with the biggest boom coming from the pool acting as a mortar. I think you can see the crane on 3 across the middle of the building which explains why that part of the roof is still there, while the green refueling platform is on the north side shattered. The big square opening in the SW corner is the vertical shaft where fuel casks are moved from the truck to the top floor by the overhead crane. I’ve seen a youtube comment (hell, that’s more reliable than what we get from TEPCO) report that the concrete reactor top plugs (like a big manhole cover) are blown out like coins.

        Picture at:

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Re: Japan Earthquake: nuclear plants
        Originally Posted by TCups
        Nope. The accessory pool inside a corner of the main pool is a feature at Dianni, but not at Daiichi. The Daiichi 2, 3, 4 plans have a “cask lay down pool” between the vertical lift shaft and the main SFP, pretty sure.
        And I’m pretty sure no evidence for any such separate cask laydown pool has been presented here or anywhere else.


    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      After page 5 is a diagram of vertical shafts C & D for Unit 3 turbine building.


      These shafts may be going to the sea.

  • ocifferdave

    This from Sept 11. Another Bisby vid talking about children’s heart attacks. We saw this vid before here on enenews, right?


  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    I know my spouse, a renowned chemist, is very upset about this horrific ongoing nuclear disaster. He reviews this site daily and has told me from the very beginning ” This is a disaster beyond belief, and is amazed at all the radionuclides they are finding. Some real nasty stuff.

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Wow Moonshell. I’m proud to know you and your spouse. WHAT CAN WE DO? Does he have any IDEAS? I feel so helpless. 🙁

      • ocifferdave

        Would I be wrong to say we are all really helpless and this is the begining of the end of the world? Check out this prediction from 1850’s. Here’s the link and an excerpt:

        “Food will be plentiful all over the cities and villages, but all will be poisoned… Many in order to feed themselves will eat everything and will die immediately.”


        • Whoopie Whoopie

          Oh my God! Thanks for the link dave.
          1850 is when a woman went into a trance like state and SAW HEAVEN and HELL
          DO NOT ATTACK. I just found the book incredibly believable. Of course I believe in life after death.
          Now back to Japan.

          • ocifferdave

            Did you go to the page and read the rest about the WAR? Makes you wanna be in Australia soon!

          • Whoopie Whoopie

            Actually I’m bookmarking for later.
            This is my time to
            you know, DO MY WHOOPIE THANG. 🙂

          • ocifferdave

            Nice. I totally know what you mean. I buzz through to get the jist then aftwards if there is time in my day I watch the vids, read the original website pages, go to the links posted by commentors, etc.

          • Whoopie Whoopie

            Same here Dave. Mornings are dedicated to posting New News – later is for STUDY, altho I admit, I fail to do that alot too. Usually when I get off here, I am absolutely beat. I go out to my Garden, turn on my Classical and read HISTORY. Why history? To ESCAPE THE PRESENT. 🙁 no joke.

          • Whoopie Whoopie

            One thing I’ve noticed about a few at HP. They ARE doing incredible work and studying so much!! CaptD is one who always comes up with great Q’s ect. You can just tell he must do his homework AFTER posting. Me? Not so much.

          • ocifferdave

            Someday I will make the leap to HP. Don’t stop mentioning it. My kid with his autism (aggressive little strong 8 year old) keeps me wiped out and mentally half broken. Enenews is enough for this half assed brain of mine for now.

          • larry-andrew-nils

            ocifferdave… google thc and autism.

            thc oil i have got.

          • ocifferdave

            Thanks Larry, I’ll see what I can find.

          • Arizonan Arizonan

            Hi Whoopie,
            I tried to go Hp and comment after you had urged us on, so I think I am signed up now, but I never saw my comment, so I don’t know if it got through or not.

            I’m noncommittal on the prophecy thing; I am a great believer in the ability of Life to respond and adapt and go on no matter what, even if all species eventually suffer a catastrophic collapse in numbers (quite possible if Fukushima keeps at this for the next ten years), but I guess I think Life is more powerful than anything that masculinist humanity can throw against it. Somehow, something, someone, somewhere, will go on. Life is more powerful than all the boys’ toys, no matter how powerful they would like to believe themselves to be. Keep up the good work!

        • Finch Finch

          Nostradamus was even more accurate. The world is decomposed every single moment. There is no continuation, we make everything to continue…
          we are doooooooooommmmmmmmmeeeeeeedddd every moment!
          Now stop reading Serbian prophecies and make the world a better place. NOW!

          • ocifferdave

            Nostranoodle used to get me excited back in the day…until I was burnt out on way too many interpretations that didn’t work out (future prediction wise, not hindsite wise).

      • moonshellblue moonshellblue

        He says the darn things are too hot as we all know the numerous times they have gone critical. The filthy cores, rather corium have escaped containment and until they stop fissioning…..hanging by your finger nails. I personally would love to see just how hot the corium is and where it is located. I know someone has to be taking infrared photos but obviously they are not going to publish this info. It’s difficult to find solutions when you don’t have the data. Also, this is unchartered territory. 3 meltdowns, escaping containment, excessive water, Whoopie you and many others on this site know more than some of the experts. Really, think about all you have learned in the past 6 month by doing research, etc. I just wish there was a simple solution but….

  • stock stock@hawaii.rr.com

    There is bit too much emotional output here, and troll feeding. To be a true source of change, which ENENEWS has a shot at being, we need to need have comments that just fly off the hip or that are just DOOM DOOM DOOM. These will discredit the group and turn away those who just started taking the red pill.

    Anytime some troll shows up either just ignore them, or ask them “show me the corium”, argument over.

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      Shoot Hawaii. Enenews is read by Arnie and any number of PROFESSIONALS anyway. Arnie said as much. If Enenews were to stop allowing EMOTION and personal feelings to be expressed, I’d hightail it out of here. To me, that’s what makes ENENEWS and EX-skf and all the others so special. JUST MY OPINION. 🙂

    • Finch Finch

      Yes Sir, sometimes the people are posting emotional stuff. We just watch them being emotional in equanimity and we read the posts of our well known Trolls. We make no big fuzz about it. Sometimes the people want to cry.You don’t?

    • Yes but unfortunately the reality of the situation is that the reactors are doomed.

      Thus humanity is doomed.

      No way around that one.

      If you cant understand, it wouldn’t bother me, Ive come to realize nuclear physics isn’t for everybody…

      In fact half of the people Ive talked to stop me at the word atmosphere (wow way to much to handle)…

      So I choose to continue, elaborating as clearly as I can…
      Maybe if we continue this pattern People will see that in fact in reality we are doomed. Which isn’t a stretch of the truth at all.

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      SHOW ME THE CORIUM! WHERE ARE THE CORIUMS? Yes, I just sent a note off to one of the editors oof that wierd pretending-to-be-neutrall World Nuclear News in London that Grace had a run-in with. I’ve sent them several articles from here, along with the query, “why do you think there has been a ‘cessation in accident conditions'” as they have said? I’ve asked them to define such a thing, and I’ve asked them to share evidence as to the location of the coriums. I do not know if I will hear back or not. I think they are probably bought up or run completely by nuke industry, but I’ve also asked them to come clean in that respect. We’ll see if they answer. By the way, people wanting to do constructive work can please help re-write the Wikipedia article on “becquerel” – it is partly useless as is. Part helpful, part useless. Keep up the good work, all.

  • roxy

    Don’t you worry!! Word is getting around!! I have spoken to alot of Japanese and they seem to believe me more than before, and seems alot of people know what’s going on and apparently alot of parents sending there children abroad especially to Australia, ha.

    Yeah here we come, although it maybe too late, with plutonium particle lodged in our lungs, and cesium and whatever else have you eating our bones!

    Guess there’s danger in dating them? What about all these people hooking up with Fukushima-induced Humans? Possibility for a deformed child or two?

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      That’s good to hear roxy. The Japanese need to wake up and DEMAND CHANGE FROM THEIR GOV. Hope we continue to see protests here on out..til change happens.

  • Sickputer

    How are the citizen readings in Hawaii these days anyway? We know Radnet never has any news for Honolulu and they lie like a dog anyway so no big loss there anyway.

    BTW…I was looking for Hawaii radiation reports and found this Alabama page that has this of interest:

    “The Public Health service reported Tuesday that higher atmospheric radiation readings have spread into southern states. The report, based on readings through Sept. 18, showed large increases of radioactivity in Montgomery, Ala.; Atlanta, Ga.; New Orleans, La.; Pascagoula, Miss.; Columbia, S.C.; and Jacksonville, Fla.

    Credit: http://blog.al.com/live/2011/09/yesterdays_news_18.html

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    HEADS UP just came through TWEET:
    Nuclear experts examine role complacency played in Fukushima nuclear crisis

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    CaptD alerted us to a great discussion going on here.
    He left some great questions for tsutsuji who has responded. If I were to post, I’d be SCREAMING WHAT NOW!?! 🙁 So I’ll just read.

  • Fukushima does NOT look good around units 4, 5, and 6 today.

    time stamp 9 21 00:58

  • http://orise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/detect.htm
    Using a Typical Geiger-Mueller (GM) Counter to Survey

    Get the GM counter and batteries from storage; prepare the instrument and determine background level.

    Preparing the Meter:

    Position the Geiger counter with the meter away from you. Locate and open the battery compartment.
    Put the batteries in the meter using proper orientation (up/down).
    Close and latch the battery compartment.
    Check the batteries using the “range” switch or “bat” button; the method depends on the type of instrument. The meter needle should move to area on scale marked battery, indicating the batteries are good. If the batteries are not good, find a flashlight or other source of 2 D-cells and put them in the meter — check these batteries also.
    Turn the “F/S” switch to “S” (Slow).
    Turn the “audio” switch to “ON.”
    Measuring the Background Radiation:

    Check that the “F/S” switch is on “S” (Slow).
    Move the range switch to the most sensitive position.
    Remove the probe cover if one is in place.
    Measure the background radiation for 60 seconds: write down the reading. Since background radiation varies with time, it may be desirable to make several counts and average the results. Record the reading.
    Expect a reading of 40-100 counts/min or a reading of approximately 0.02 mR/hr (i.e. 0.2 on the 0.1 range setting), or 0.2 micro Sv/hr.
    Record background reading.
    How to Survey

    Using the instrument:

    Move the “F/S” switch to…

  • http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm

    This guide ‘When An ill Wind Blows From Afar! (Like from Japan Fukushima reactor)’ deals specifically with radioactive fallout that originated from afar, like a Chernobyl in the past,
    or Iran in the future that’s had its nuclear facilities bombed, releasing radioactive contamination into the atmosphere, or a North Korea gone mad, etc.
    This guide provides panic dispelling knowledge so people downwind can more promptly initiate appropriate protective actions, as required.

  • Six Interesting Facts About Low Level Radiation Exposure

    The average person would be shocked to learn how much low level radioactivity they are exposed to each and every day. Source contamination can be found in the home, at work, even strolling through the park. It’s coming at you from every conceivable direction, in varying intensities and types. Even so, because it’s detectable only with a Geiger counter, few people ever think about it, assuming what they can’t see, can’t hurt them. However, nothing could be further from the truth. There are real risks with environmental radioactivity, even at low levels, so it would be a good idea to learn all you can about low level radiation to protect yourself from its dangerous effects.

    Here are 6 interesting facts that might help raise your awareness about low level exposure.

    1. While the type of radiation that can cause damage, also known as ionizing radiation, is similar to visible light, there’s one important difference. Light can be easily shielded. One the other hand, some forms of ionizing radiation such as gamma rays are very difficult to block, requiring lead plate or many inches of concrete. When such powerful subatomic particles penetrate human tissue the resulting impact of the nuclear particles can cause significant damage on a biomolecular level, with the potential to cause several unpredictable and highly unpleasant health effects.

    2. Radiation cannot be detected without the use of special…

  • Darth

    Siemens Abandoning Nuclear Power

    The just-announced decision by Siemens, a major player in the nuclear industry, to withdraw entirely from nuclear power is a significant declaration by a corporation about nuclear power and the world’s potential energy future.

    “The chapter is closed for us,” Peter Loescher, chief executive of the Germany-based engineering group, said Sunday. “We are no longer going to participate in taking responsibility for building nuclear power stations or financing them.”

    The Siemens decision follows that of the German government to, with the disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant complex, abandon nuclear power–to close the nation’s 17 nuclear plants, all of which were built by Siemens–and pursue instead safe, clean, renewable energy led by solar, wind and geothermal.

    Let’s hope the rest of the world will follow this example.

    Will Obama lead us to salvation?

    • ocifferdave

      I thought Obama’s Money Mama was a nuke industry CEO. This CEO gave Obama the highest amount of campaign contribution of them all. This CEO is now on Obama’s nuke safety council. Frack.


    TOKYO—Japan expects to bring the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant under control sooner than previously foreseen, government officials said Tuesday, although new problems over the radioactive water in the unit basements will complicate longer-term clean-up efforts.

    Emissions of radioactive materials from the plant have been reduced to a maximum of 1/4,000,000th of the peak, as the cooling of the reactors reduces the amount of tainted steam escaping, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said in its monthly review of its nine-month plant-stabilization plan.

    “By reducing emissions of radioactive materials, we hope to make it possible for evacuees to return to their homes as early as possible,” said Yasuhiro Sonoda, a member of parliament responsible for managing the Fukushima crisis.

    Trade and industry minister Yukio Edano said there is “a reasonable chance” of bringing the damaged reactors to what’s called a cold shutdown by the end of the year, a month ahead of the schedule under the master “roadmap.” Environment Minister Goshi Hosono had made a similar forecast Monday at the annual general meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    Cold shutdown refers to a stable condition with the core temperature below 100 degrees Celsius, the boiling point of water.

    The more rapid cooling was made possible by repairs to the core spray line, allowing water to be…

    • Re this story of cold shutdown (NHK reported also)

      I am not sure how cold shutdown can be achieved given that the corium is no longer fully, or at all, contained in the RPV (reactor pressure vehicle) in at least 2 of the reactors (1 and 3).

      On second thought, given that their stated goal is to bring the temperatures in the RPVs down to below 100 degrees, maybe they can achieve it given that the coriums are no longer inside the reactor pressure vehicles:
      “The operator also plans to improve its cooling systems so that the temperatures of all 3 reactors will drop below 100 degrees Celsius.”

      Tepco is also reporting that ground water seems to be flowing into the basements of the reactors (where the corium may reside). This is not good, says Tepco

      Finally, NHK reports on Tepco’s efforts to stabilize the plant: “They say the amount of radioactive substances released from the plant was about 200-million becquerels per hour in the first half of September. They say that’s about one-four millionths of the level of the initial stages of the accident in March….”

      Tepco claims radiation released at 200 million becquerels an hour. Compare this figure with the ones provided by Busby and Gunderson:

      Busby stated that plant emissions were reported to the Japanese Prime Minister by Tepco to be 10 to the 13 becquerels per hour.[i]

      During an interview with Dr. Helen…

      • Busby stated that plant emissions were reported to the Japanese Prime Minister by Tepco to be 10 to the 13 becquerels per hour.[i]

        During an interview with Dr. Helen Caldicott, broadcasted online in September of 2011, Arnie Gunderson stated that he had been told that Fukushima was currently emitting a gigabecquerel per day (gigabecquerel or GBq 109 Bq), in radiation, which he described as over 2 billion decays per second a day.[ii]

  • StillJill StillJill

    Here’s Dr. Busby singing a song he wrote about DU weapons, Bush, TPTB,…”Country Boy” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkOn22E76yA

    O.K. all you ladies out there–I don’t see a gold band-SO HE’S MINE! You got it???!!! 🙂

  • shaktasna999

    Tacomagroove Arianna is pissed with me again. Anywhere else you’d like me to go?

  • shaktasna999

    I’m pro-420 and a proud member of Norml and ASA

    And no you cannot change my mind 🙂

    Endometriosis/adenomyosis sufferer here.

    I watched both grandmas die of cancer. One died in agony in nine months with “traditional meds”. She was a devoted churchgoer that heeded every word her doctor said.

    The other lived after the “crisis diagnosis of less than two months to live” for 22 years…on Medical Marijuana. She was a nurse.

  • StillJill StillJill

    And there you have it. My cancer doubled under ‘traditional medicine’. Once I went au, Natural,…in 16 months my tumors were gone!

    That’s all the evidence I need!
    Thanks for sharing that account shaktasna999! 🙂

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    These sonsofb____’s!
    Fire at Vt. nuclear plant office called suspicious
    Tuesday, September 20, 2011

  • Mack Mack

    What does this mean?

    “Hosono seeks US, French help to scrap reactors”

    “Hosono asked the US and French officials to help with essential work after the cold shutdown, including scrapping the reactors, decontaminating soil and disposing of radioactive waste.

    The officials responded positively.”

    Does this mean that the U.S. taxpayer will end up paying for decommissioning of Fukushima? Does this mean the U.S. will import Japan’s contaminated stuff, and it will be buried or incinerated in the U.S.?


    • arclight arclight

      caught this link of that! thanks mack

      Fukushima evacuation warnings to be lifted
      Tuesday, September 20, 2011 14:43 +0900 (JST)

      “The government’s evacuation advisories in areas 20 to 30 kilometers from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant may be lifted by the end of the month.
      Residents of 5 municipalities that are mostly in the zone are required to be prepared to evacuate quickly in case of emergency.
      Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura announced on Tuesday that the 5 municipalities have all submitted their own recovery plans, and he thinks conditions to lift the advisories have been met.
      He said the government will hear views from the Nuclear Safety Commission and then is likely to decide to lift the advisories by the end of September.”

      Link to video

  • americancommntr

    Why can’t nuclear industry owners just give it up? They’ve made lots of money already. Why can’t they cut everyone’s losses and future losses, shut down the plants and the industry, and just invest in thin-film solar, decentralized electricity, and better batteries, and move on to other things? Why do they have to play games with their fellow men, women, and children, and put the world at risk? Who’s really in charge, of them? What makes a soul strive to use nuclear hellfire to boil water to make electricity to sell? What’s the blindness, and what’s the deathwish?

    • staycalm


      Any idea how much it would cost to decommission too? If it was possible to snap your fingers and wipe up all the problems with a paper towel then no doubt it would have been done.

  • roxy

    So now the slinky corium is out of the reactor and into the ground(water) tepco expects to get away with murder and have the extent of everything all covered up?? That makes people like me so furious, they all deserve to Goto he’ll.

    ‘oh yeah we’ve achieved cold shutdown it’s below 100, yeah and nobody knows about the slinky corium blob, but will we all know soon enough? When a huge chunk of earth goes bang? God, so much radioactive waste in and around the reactors hate to think of the repercussions, maybe Fukushima all over again, explosion followed by toxic Lethal chemicals all being hammered up into the jet stream, just another lame attempt at having us all ingest or inhale that killer blow, plutonium particle.