Published: January 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am ET
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Title: Japan to seek data from Ukraine on effects of Chernobyl accident
Source: The Mainichi Daily News
Date: January 20, 2012
Japan will begin negotiations with Ukraine later this month for an agreement to obtain data on the effects of low-level radiation exposure and soil contamination [...]
The Japanese government will use the data in treating people exposed to radiation [...]
The agreement will cover data on the effects of nuclear accidents on human health and the environment [...]
Ukraine’s detailed data on treatment and contamination will enable Japan to implement “effective measures” to address the effects of radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant crippled by the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami, a Foreign Ministry official said. [...]
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Published: January 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am ET
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Gee, how warm and caring and toasty – just about 9 months too late. And I’m pretty sure they really said: “Send us the graphs that will be useful in blaming the victims and such.”
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This is staggering! Am I getting this right?! They aren’t already in possession of this data?
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No kidding! You’d think after 25 years it would be publicly available information, especially after the Soviet Union fell apart.
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@Tanuki San: being a realist, I can understand why they’d not want the Chernobyl mortality studies being made public. They would (and do), after all, have to protect their industry. What I’m having trouble with is the delay in having bothered to integrate this data into their emergency planning. My brain is reeling at the fact that they’ve been shuffling the lives of their citizens, when they could’ve been quietly using this data. Again…it staggers the mind!!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine
especially
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Populat8910.PNG
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@risabee: thanks for the flags. What I found interesting was the graph that showed population time-lines. It’s amazing how the population numbers were diminished within the same amount of time that it took to achieve 1968 population levels.
If this trend were applied to other scenarios (Fukushima in this case), we’d conceivably be witness to comparable reductions in the world’s population. Unlike what most are comfortable in accepting within the third world, this sword of death would randomly cut across the entire global population.
Again, thanks for this informative link!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_Ukraine_v.2.PNG
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Pro-Japanese journalist imprisoned in ‘gulag’ style prison UNDER a japanese airport for 30 hours where he is subject to extortion, abuse and torture.
The PRIVATE security firm running this guantanamo in japan claims there is no human right laws down here!
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/01/24-hours-imprisoned-requests-to-call-a-lawyer-or-the-embassy-were-denied-a-canadian-journalist-who-criticized-tepco/
also go straight to this guys blog……………………..
http://globalite.posterous.com/inside-the-gaijin-tank-dungeon-at-narita-airp-91122
I have yet to research a SINGLE country that hasn’t engaged in human rights abuses.
Does anyone know of a single one that doesn’t?
Crazy planet.
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Thanks for turning the attention! New found I131 from snow! Just on the topic.
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pure water, hope you posted this at monitoring data area! How did you do the measurement? would appreciate seeing the info. at monitoring, thanks! Also, what’s your georgraphic location (general area)?
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No, it is not me:
Vhttp://fukushima-diary.com/2012/01/iodine-131-measured-from-snow-in-hachioji-saitama/
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Thank you. Yikes!
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I don’t think Andora tortures people, but I could be wrong…..
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No, because remember,…containment vessels CAN’T leak or rupture, remember? Oh, wait a minute,…Oops.
This is a RED LETTER DAY!
Japan is admitting THE PROBLEM. (Minimized, although it will be), they’ve admitted to ‘sick people’. This is HUGE-imo.
There is much truth in, ‘there is no solution until you admit there is a problem’.
Thank you Japan,…for taking the most important ‘next-step’!
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Good morning StillJill!
Perhaps TEPCO offers recovery-addiction services for their executives? “Hello…my name is Yoshi and I’m a recovering-shill for my industry.”
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LOVE IT!!!!
Yes,…”I am POWERLESS over BRIBES,….and my life has become unmanageable,…”!
Me likes,…A LOT!
Thanks friend.
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Thank you, SJ, that’s very funny.
All the same, I wouldn’t wish the Tepco President’s esophogeal cancer on anyone. Or ANY kind of cancer for that matter.
BTW, Jill, have you explored Rife technology?
It’s a shame radiation exposure short of acute radiation exposure; anything which doesn’t kill you in hours/days is called “low level radiation.”
IMHO, if the levels are high enough to cause evacuation or restrictions on drinking water, food consumption, it is NOT low level radiation!
Perhaps people collectively should push for a re-definition of “low level radiation.” Am going to go here to see if they will consider re-defining this term:
Health Physics Society HTS.org
An S.I. International (manufactures the Radiation Alert units) representative told me the Health Physics Society maintains epidemiological data on the effects of radiation.
Until the concept of “low level radiation” and is redefined and some reasonable threshold is established, the denial can continue forever. Even if that changes, we still have to grapple with the “safe levels in food/water” issue.
I can almost hear Atoms4Peace1 (Atoms for Peace, what an oxymoron!) today saying there’s no cause for concern, it’s only low level exposure and no one has died yet! A4P1, R2D2 — the same hysterical, robotic, unreasoning response ….
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HoTaters said, “BTW, Jill, have you explored Rife technology?
Yes,…I left a funny comment about my rife experience on the ‘remediation of low level’ thread about five or six days ago.
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Thank you. I’ll look for it. I understand it sometimes doesn’t work for cancer if it’s not done right away, before starting pharmaceuticals. It can be very difficult healing from these chronic diseases and restoring the immune system. So far I’ve beaten the odds. My spiritual life has improved by leaps & bounds. I do not “regret the chastening of the Lord.” And Jer. 17:14
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They decided to give up the idea, that the health problems can be hidden. Just this, according to me.
Even on Iternet there is enough information on health effects, and methodology. But if they need the full spectrum of radionuclides and their health impact,this can be found in Russia, and it may be secret even now.
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@pure water: I can understand their need to keep such information from the ‘great unwashed’, but you’d think it’d have been in their industry’s collective interest, to integrate this data into their ensuing response at Fukushima, much sooner. They could have fire-walled access to these reports, thus ensuring minimal exposure and subsequent revelation. It seems as though there’s no one – with any competence – at the helm. I’m stunned at their endless incompetence! Has this tragedy exposed a cultural inability to take responsibility? I thought the Japanese people were far more capable…
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All the big countries in this industry cooperate just against the public. On other level they are rivals.
I agree with you about the incompetence. And I am really sorry for people in Japan. Behind the mask of national pride, their rulers betray them. They have doctors, who had been in Chernobyl and no one asks these people!
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@pure water: I can only add, they’re about to discover that – they – are also members of the public…
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You may be right. The info. certainly was classified. Here’s an article by a researcher who said she got access to classified documents:
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/db_article.php?article_id=242
Chernobyl’s dirty secrets
“Classified. Minutes No. 9. May 8, 1986. The Health Ministry of the Soviet Union has approved new acceptable levels of radiation to which the public can be exposed and that are 10 times higher than former levels. In special cases, levels up to 50 times higher than former levels are acceptable.”
The Kremlin was willing to do anything to conceal the extent of the radiation exposure. Only two months had passed since residents had been evacuated from homes within an 30-kilometer radius of the plant when the authorities hurriedly began the opposite process: resettlement.
“Classified. Minutes No. 29. June 23, 1986. Report on the possibility of returning children and pregnant women to areas with radiation levels within the range of 2 millirems per hour to 5 millirems per hour.”
To put this in perspective, the U.S. government sets the maximum allowable exposure of an adult working with radioactive material at fewer than 6,000 millirems per year and recommends that human fetuses be exposed to no more than 50 millirems per month.
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Clarification of “allowable” doses post-Chernobyl:
1 millirem (mrem) = 10 microsievert (µSv)
2 millirems per hour = 20 uSv * 24 * 365.25 = 175,320 uSv per year
175,320/1,000 = 175.32 mSv (millisieverts) per year
Microsieverts X hrs. in one day X days per year = annual total
Annual total/ 1,000 = mSv or millisieverts per year
5 millirems per hour = 50 uSv * 24 * 365.25 = 438,300 uSv per year
438,300/1,000 = 438.3 mSv per year
The conversion can also be done directly from millirems to uSv or mSv
No wonder there are more than a million dead post-Chernobyl.
‘Know of someone through a very close friend who came from Kiev. This young woman was born around 1978, and died in 2008. That would have made her about eight years old when the Chernobyl accident happened. She died of cancer in the U.S.
Just before she died, her pelvis cracked apart. There was tissue death all over her abdomen. She slowly hemorrhaged where bones literally split apart, riddled with cancer. She had tumors all over her body. It was a horrible, hideous death. She died in agonizing pain. She suffered in agony for about at least a year, prior to dying. NO ONE should have to endure this. It is a travesty against humanity, against life.
How many others have died in agony? How many other tragedies have been “hidden” from view? How much suffering has been denied as though it never took place?
ANTI-NUKE = PRO LIFE and there is absolutely nothing wrong with being “for” life (unless you’re just twisted)!
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I think they are looking in the wrong direction. Russia organized a huge coverup of radiation effects, and still does.
So I am wondering if they are going over there to find information about how to cover up this accident, as has been done with EVERY nuclear accident throughout history, or are they going to really go over and try to find out the truth?
My bet so far is on the first choice… Why? Witness the chief medical officer reporting to the public about how radiation will not hurt you if you smile enough. Witness statements by hospitals that they will not test for ‘internal’ radiation. Witness statements by doctors that they do not ‘know’ what is causing strange things like; nausea, flulike things, bleeding noses, skin bruising, hair loss, nails falling off, extreme tiredness, rashes, etc…
So far anyways, it seems like these medical professionals are saying that all of these things above are due to ‘worry’ and ‘stress’. This is exactly what the Russians told the Chernobyl survivors. In other words, it is all the victims fault.
When the cancer and leukemia and birth defect rate soars, it will not have anything to do with the radiation… it will be blamed on ‘infections’ or something other than radioactive substances..
I hope and pray that I am wrong.. But so far, history has been repeating itself. The past is a pretty good predictor of what will happen in the future, when dealing with people and their behaviours.
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Right, Yes, correct, spot-on in every point. Good one “AGreenRoad!
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“When the cancer and leukemia and birth defect rate soars, it will not have anything to do with the radiation… it will be blamed on ‘infections’ or something other than radioactive substances..” I just think they are not able to hide any more, and the effects will be devastating. I have not heard anything about nails falling before. Theet falling was typical for test sites.
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Hello pure water, what did you mean in your last sentence? The first word? Thanks!
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Sorry, just typo. I meant teeth.
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Scientific Dishonesty, by Dr. Chris Busby
http://youtu.be/dOI-wpMlq28
“I Am Fishead” Are Corporate Leaders Egotistical Psychopaths ?
http://youtu.be/6MWpxH-RlFQ
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Smile when your kidney’s baking
Smile while you’re uptaking
Some strontium
Will bring floods from your bum.
Smile with your falling hair
Just pretend it wasn’t there
You can live atop nuke piles
If you, just smile.
(apologies to CC)
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Like it! Can you add something about missing nails and teeth in this smile. And why not find some music…
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Oh, it’s there already Pure. Remember the song, “Smile, when your heart is breaking, smile, when your,…something is taking, faking”, whatever,… It’s an oldie,….just beyond my 1960 bebobbyness!
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Nat King Cole, “smile through your fear and sorrow, smile, and maybe tomorrow, you’ll see the sun come shining through for you ….”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I85ApzR43jU
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Thanks! Sounds great. I have heard this song in the past, but could not make the connectin.
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What composers you are!
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Yes, great song, and very funny in a sardonic way!
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But I thought there were not going to be ANY health effects from Fukushima. Remember “no immediate impact to human health”…..Edano fucking yaro!
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Well, the effects started sooner, and people will notice, you know…So, it is time to show a little care, hoping that people have forgotten this lie, hidden with a lot of shows and other lies…
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You go say it, kintaman,…you of all people, should comment on this!
So very, very glad you got out,….and your family!
My hat is FOREVER taken off to you, friend!
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I’ll be here to remind them.
http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com/2011/09/underground-rivers-and-oceans.html
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If the adopt the Chernobyl evacuation standards, it is just a matter of time, and Tokyo will hafta go….. Hehehe stupid fuckers…..
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If THEY, they adopt…. How will they hide Tokyo being abandoned? They won’t be able to, that’s how.
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Then to all those that refuse to open their eyes, may they be blinded by the empirical data blizzard. And to those of us who tried to tell them to sit up and pay attention, sad comfort knowing we were correct after all…..
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Japan to seek data from Ukraine on effects of Chernobyl accident
TOKYO (Kyodo) –
DOWNTONING: Note the headline points the finger to Chernobyl. Only when you get to the second paragraph is it clear WHY the government is requesting data.
More newspeak strategies.
And isn’t it rather late to be reuqesting data?
Japan will begin negotiations with Ukraine later this month for an agreement to obtain data on the effects of low-level radiation exposure and soil contamination accumulated by Kiev since the Chernobyl nuclear meltdown of 1986, government officials said Thursday.
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