Japan Nuclear Engineer: “Mind-blowing… truly outrageous” — Many massive pools of contaminated water are spread around Fukushima plant

Published: November 12th, 2012 at 12:58 pm ET
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Title: Japanese tread radioactive water, attempt damage control
Source: The Guilfordian
Author: Haejin Song
Date: Nov. 12, 2012

[...] “Water works well for this system since it has a very high capacity … and can be treated if it is contaminated,” said Angie Moore, associate professor of geology. “However, when there is a reactor accident like at the Fukushima, the systems that prevent nuclear contamination of the cooling water have failed and there is direct contact between the water and the radioactive material.”

Masashi Goto (Credit: Shunji Iwai)

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“There are pools of some 10,000 or 20,000 tons of contaminated water in each plant, and there are many of these,” said nuclear engineer Masasahi Goto to news source Al Jazeera.

“To bring all these to one place would mean you would have to treat hundreds of thousands of tons of contaminated water which is mind-blowing in itself,” continued Goto. “It’s an outrageous amount, truly outrageous.” [...]

Watch Goto’s presentation at the Foreign Correspondent’s Club of Japan here

Published: November 12th, 2012 at 12:58 pm ET
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35 comments to Japan Nuclear Engineer: “Mind-blowing… truly outrageous” — Many massive pools of contaminated water are spread around Fukushima plant

  • weeman

    I commend him for voicing his opinion but it does not take a nuclear engineer and lecturer to tell me this all he said goes without saying, we at enenews understand that and have been trying to point this out since the beginning and before.
    This is sheer madness, suicide and anybody that can take their own life is unstable and requires intervention.


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  • RADS

    I guess he didn't get the memo on how the ocean is were all the coolant is eventually going. but if it was up to japan they would put all the water in one big pot in try to incinerate it.


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  • islandboy9

    I was in Oahu, Hawaii for a few months. I witness thousands of Japanese tourists on vacation playing golf.
    They're spending alot of money in Waikiki, shopping at gucci , Louis vutton and prada plus cornering the condo market driving up prices in Waikiki.
    My friends pointed out that entire families are visiting and they're very sick
    (none stop coughing, rashes and dark circles under the eyes!) and from all over japan including fukushima!!!
    The Japanese are moving in Oahu in a major way, more sushi bars and a huge noodle shop on kuhio street ( yes the flour to make these noodles are from CHIBA!) plus women boutiques and a major food store selling only made in japan products..What in the HELL is wrong with these people!!!!!


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    • Sickputer

      IB9 sez: "The Japanese are moving in Oahu in a major way, more sushi bars and a huge noodle shop on kuhio street ( yes the flour to make these noodles are from CHIBA!) plus women boutiques and a major food store selling only made in japan products..What in the HELL is wrong with these people!!!!!"

      SB: Nothing wrong with them. They are smart to move. Perhaps their survival instincts are failing them on bringing in bad rice.

      Consider the math:

      As the crow flies:

      Chiba to Fukushima Daiichi: 134 miles

      Oahu, Honolulu to Fukushima Daiichi: 3777 miles

      http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm

      Thanks for the eyewitness report from Hawaii. I have seen more Japanese in west Texas, Arkansas and Missouri in the past year than I met in the past 29 years. The smart sheep are leaving the somnambulant herd. All the refugees I have met told me one common theme: "It is very, very bad in Japan".

      Next time in the islands…please interview a few of the expatriates and report back on their experiences. Thanks.


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      • Maggie123

        SP- If I may? … speaking to remind all of us: Rather than characterizing those who leave as the "smart" people, in my experience it's not smarts that make the difference for most, it's resources.

        Those will never leave are not necessarily "somnambulant". With what grace they can, perhaps even graciousness, they will watch the others go and know themselves unable to follow.

        Lack of resources is only one reason to stay. True, some genuinely don't want to acknowledge their situation, but this number possibly shrinks over time? Some will stay to serve however they can. But remaining put is not evidence of lack of awareness.

        (I remember boat people arriving in Canada – many with limited means but sponsored by civic or religious organizations. I don't know what may be happening along this line – group sponsorship – for people of Japan.)

        Thanks.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      It seems like the Japanese are leaving their tainted homeland behind and wisely so. My pet peeve related to this trend=They bought out & closed down all of the Chicago-area "Country Buffet" restaurants & re-opened them as Hibachi Sushi Buffets??!! WTH?!! I REALLY want to know where their seafood & other "authentic" Japanese vegetables,etc. are coming from? I'm just pissed off enough to don my Tyvex suit and go in one of them with one of the new GM counters I ordered this week and wave the thing over the buffet tables & peoples plates with the damn GM clicking & "alerting" to the presence of tainted food! Of course I'd be arrested and transported to the nearest psych ward for a mandatory 72 hour observation & mental evaluation!LOL…but seriously-I wish they'd have left Country Buffet alone and installed their sushi buffets in G.E. and affiliated co.'s lunchrooms and even better yet-across the street from NRC Headquarters where I'd bet nobody(in the "know")will be eating there anytime soon??!! Hey I have NO problem with Japanese people coming to my country to escape the (higher)levels of radiation,but wish they would leave the edibles industry behind along with anything else that'd add to USA public's ingestion & internal contamination levels!


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  • Sickputer

    Let us take a look at the level of danger at Fukushima Daiichi compared to America's big problem child at Hanford.

    Mr. Goto gives us a number: "many" pools of 10,000 to 20,000 tons of contaminated water.

    SP: Conservatively let's say 5 to 10 pools for "many". So 50,000 to 100,000 tons of very hot nuclear-tainted water.

    Let's convert that water tonnage into gallons for our metric system-addled Americans:

    http://www.conversion-website.com/volume/ton_water_to_gallon_US_dry.html

    100,000 tons equals 23,118,071 gallons

    Round it to 23 million gallons.

    Hanford Reservation gives us a number of their wastewater problem:

    "Much of the waste is liquid — about 53 million gallons — as the chemical extraction process used at Hanford involved soaking the spent uranium fuel rods from the reactors in nitric acid to separate the plutonium."

    http://www.nwcouncil.org/history/Hanford.asp

    SP: 69 years at Hanford produced just about twice as much liquid waste as Daiichi has produced in 20 months. Liquid wastes are stored in 177 underground tanks and 70 are leaking.

    At Daiichi a large amount of radioactive liquid waste is flowing unimpeded and unmeasured into the Pacific ocean from underground tidal wave action and freshwater aquifers flowing by the buried triple coriums from Units 1, 2, and 3. Millions of gallons will flow yearly. No pools catching that poison.

    I don't think the Tepkill nucleocrats will be eating sushi from Daiichi lagoon fish.


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    • richard richard

      Thanks SP for those horrible numbers.

      It just reminds me that unless someone storms daiichi and takes control and disposes of the tepco executives the whole world is fkn dead.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      I live just downstream from Hanford, and was glad for SP's attention to it as a major nuclear waste threat, though, some may offer than it is not as bad as Fukushima. However, Hanford has about 10 more years before ALL the containers are leaking because ALL of them are eroding. The 7 already leaking are moving unstopped to the Columbia River, the largest river in the Pacific Northwest which also flows directly into the Pacific Ocean. This is the stuff left over from all the secret weapons testing and it can't even be dry casked, so America has a big problem. While the US has paid lots of money seeking a solution, no one, including the NRC, has found one, though, they are hoping to try a first step in a possible technology in 10 years that they only have the math theory that says it could possibly be useful – turning the solid waste into a glass. The water waste is just the contaminated water from extraction. The solid waste will also be leaking since the containers have reached their longevity. The only safe place in the Pacific will be at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, if even that.


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Total Fukushima Radiation Released Into Ocean, Air, Groundwater, Storage Tanks; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/02/total-fukushima-radiation-released-into.html

      Comparing Contaminated Zones Around Chernobyl And Fukushima Ocean Radiation Released; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/comparing-contaminated-zones-around.html


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      They also do not like talking or mentioning the rods blown out for up to 3 kilometers, mostly DOWNWIND, into the ocean.

      Bits of radioactive fuel rods lay all over the bottom of the ocean, with virgin, clean, fresh ocean water flowing over all of it.. constantly, 24 hours per day, without any end in sight.

      The cemented over the bottom of the lagoon, which probably helped some, but are they going to cement over 9 square kilometers of ocean as well?

      No wonder researchers are NOT ALLOWED within 20 miles of Fukushima on the ocean side.


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    • The Blue Light.

      The truly horrific thing about those Hanford figures is that the waste in the tanks at Hanford is thousands of times more concentrated. Most of it is a semi liquid toxic cocktail. If you dipped your hand into the tanks at Fukushima, not good. If you dipped your hand into the tanks at Hanford you would lose it, either quickly by its acidity or slowly by its radioactivity. One of the bore holes under the most radioactive tank had to be abandoned when they measured levels above 60 sieverts.
      The 50's the DOE knew some of its tanks had cracked during construction and guess what, they used them anyway. Immune to environmental laws and statutes to defend your country, maybe. But to do it knowingly and not give a toss, that just criminal.


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  • islandboy9

    Yes, two other things: 1) they're coming to
    Hawaii about a thousand week and I witness about a hundred with a huge fresh scar on their necks from a recent thyroid surgery, from ages 10 thru 75.
    2)they're flooding The vitiman shoppe, buying everything from acai berry chews to apple pectin pills. Then head to Walmart food department clearing it out , and last Huge purchases at Safeway can goods and package foods to ship back to japan….this is been going on everyday since 3-11…..


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  • Sickputer

    IB9 typed these sensational pixels of light:

    "I witness about a hundred with a huge fresh scar on their necks from a recent thyroid surgery, from ages 10 thru 75"

    SP: If you can upload a YouTube video interview with just a handful of Japanese expats with thyroid scars then you will do more good than all of us put together at Enenews.


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  • Sickputer always seems to have reliable information. So 23 million American gallons which for the rest of the world equates to basically 90 million litres of highly radio-active water, which even if some of it has gone through the on site purifiers, only filters cesium leaving strontium, americium, plutoniom and a long list of others. Yes in tiny amounts compared to cesium filtered,but with longer half lives and more deadly. I wouldn't drink the filtered water. Anyways, the melted corium continues to be unstable and unreported as to its true location. But don't believe their ignorance. I don't know is very powerful. The radiation is so high, the amount of time spent on anything is short in man-hours so I would surmize the cooling system maintenance is going to be more and more crude as time goes on. So with 90 million litres of water to look after and a jerry rigged cooling system thats supposed to be cooling in some cases,melted out cores the locations of which are supposed to be a mystery( meanwhile also cooling an over abundance of spent fuel rods, conveniently stored above the whole mess). Wow. Did I mention the area is experiencing after-shocks? Leaks???? This would make such a good James Bond movie. Except the villain is winning.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Permeating Japan, the oceans, and beyond.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "contaminated water build-up posed a big, long-term health and environmental threat."
    Of course, the real probflem is that millions of gallons of ground water flow past the underground corium from Fuku1,2,&3 each month, then right into the Pacific Ocean. This must stop. My suggestion is the Pacific Ocen Protection Plan:
    1. Locate and map corium using slant drilling rigs to extract cores from under Buildings1,2,&3.
    2. Construct cofferdam entirely around Harbor, then inland past Buildings 1,2,3,&4. Close the rectangle behind and uphill from Buildings1,2,3,&4. Cofferdam must be deeper than corium.
    3. Harbor water becomes a heat sink for underground the 3 Rogue Necler Reactors. Pipes draw harbor water from bottom of the Harbor, pumps bring it uphill past Buildings1,2,3,&4. Water is pumped into a series of injection wells between Buildings1,2,3,&4 and cofferdam.
    4. Water flows past coriums and into the Harbor for cooling.
    5. Divert uncontaminated ground water from outside the cofferdam into the Pacific Ocean.
    This creates a nearly closed loop cooling system for Coriums1,2,&3. The project might cost $2 billion, and could be done well for $4 billion. I ask the Pacific Rim nations this question: How much is the Pacific Seafood Fishery worth to your nation each and every year? What would be the cost to your nation of the permanent destruction of the Pacific Seafood Industry?


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  • This is a bad article, of course we know the basements are leaking into the ground. But it is not the basements that are the concern, how about the hundred of storage tanks on the land, some with highly concentrated strontium after they removed most of the cesium.

    That is the elephant in the room, why are they not talking about the elephant?

    This is an odd article.


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  • Cindy

    I'm on the Big Island, and havn't noticed any more Japanese tourists, any more than normal.. But They seem to be going to Oahu, like the others have said …


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  • razzz razzz

    Personal observations from Hawaii are very interesting. Japanese news blackout of Fukushima fallout damage is propaganda in reverse. Don't let the truth be reported and maybe the bad news will go away.

    Thyroid replacement drugs should be in great demand.

    From

    http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/tp/thyroidhormonereplacement.htm

    "…When you have an underactive thyroid — hypothyroidism — a surgically removed thyroid, or a thyroid that has been disabled by radioactive iodine, you need thyroid hormone replacement. Drugs include the synthetic thyroid hormone levothyroxine (i.e., Synthroid, Levoxyl), as well as synthetic forms of the T3 hormone. Natural, animal-derived desiccated thyroid, such as Armour Thyroid, is also used. for thyroid hormone replacement…"

    Someone mentioned James Bond, those movies were very futuristic with their space shuttle mock up almost an exact replica before the real thing, attempting to set off a nuclear bombs along the San Andreas fault causing it to slip and using solar power to power a ray gun were all plot lines ahead of their time and all very plausible. The latest movie is about computer hacking. Obsolete before it was released this time as the technology is rapidly expanding. Example, Stuxnet computer virus.


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    In the USA, thyroid medication use shot up from 50 some million prescriptions to over 100 Million from 2007 to 2011.

    Any guesses on where it goes from here?

    This database is worth gold, and will tell you more about nuclear radiation than just about anything else…

    Where are the statistics about how many prescriptions for thyroid medication prescriptions, or units sold in Japan from 2001 on to 2012?


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  • About 9.09 thyroid prescriptions in 2011 in the USA per curie exposure of the biosphere to Cs137 from nuclear reactors in the world. See data in http://isisunveiledhenp.blogspot.in/2012/05/normal-operations-of-nuclear-fuel-cycle.html
    Worldwide nuclear capacity is 376824 MW in 2011. Let us assume this remains constant. Assume a 70% plant load factor. Thus The energy generated per year by the world's nukes is 376824 MWx.7= 263777 MWy.
    The Cs137 released at 3.55 Ci/MWy(0.1% leak) in 2012 is 936408 Ci. The increase in prescriptions in 2012 is thus 9.09x 936408= 8.5 million prescriptions. This calculation applies the precautionary principle and the truth that everything is interconnected with everything else.


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