Japan Nuclear Expert: Humanity as a whole has literally never experienced something like Fukushima — “We will be fighting this radiation on the order of tens or hundreds of years” (VIDEO)

Published: May 11th, 2012 at 9:25 am ET


Press Conference on Fukushima Daiichi Disaster
May 4, 2012 10:00 am ET

Hiroaki Koide, Nuclear Reactor Specialist and Assistant Professor at Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute

At ~28:00 in

Wait awaits us is a very long battle to somehow find a way to encapsulate or enclose this large amount of radiation.

This is something which humanity as a whole has literally never experienced, we have no idea — I have no idea what will happen. But we will be fighting this radiation on the order of tens or hundreds of years.

Published: May 11th, 2012 at 9:25 am ET


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147 comments to Japan Nuclear Expert: Humanity as a whole has literally never experienced something like Fukushima — “We will be fighting this radiation on the order of tens or hundreds of years” (VIDEO)

  • arclight arclight

    "..I have no idea what will happen. But we will be fighting this radiation on the order of tens or hundreds of years…"

    i think at least 200 years for the initial cleanup.. as long as those medical, scientific and military reactors are put to bed as well..

    otherwise whats the point of just stopping the nuclear power plants! its not a question of the amount.. its a question of how long will that amount be around for… and the amount of amounts!!

    • ion jean ion jean

      AND a question of how much internal radiation a living organism, US, can take…talk about low cost R and D!

      Which is why I like to go back to the beginning…research in the fifties was heavily funded AND they found out a whole lotta stuff they're not telling us directly…

      Check out nuclearcrimes.org and their Scribd archives of public docs…archive or print before they're deleted!!!

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Thanks, IonJean.

      • What-About-The-Kids

        Thanks, Ion Jean. Nuclearcrimes.org is an excellent resource for information on all things nuclear. It's founder Andrew Kishner has been investigating and fighting nuclear power for a long time. It is great to see someone with his drive, commitment and passion to end nuclear power share what he has learned with the world.

        He has a good commentary on the home page about all the lies and covers ups over Fukushima, saying it is hard to know who to trust for the truth. His answer?

        "So what to do? There is only one option: become your own expert. It's the only way to find out what exactly is the truth."

        I am proud to know those of here at enenews.com have taken this advice to heart. Indeed, it is the only way to discover the truth in today's "controlled information" world we live in.

        • What-About-The-Kids

          Make that: "those of US here…" 🙂

        • ion jean ion jean

          Agreed! WATK, some key points I have learned from this material:

          Strontium 90 (plus 89 in much smaller quant.) Whether measured or not, is present relative 2/3 to Cesium 137 in any nuclear explosion/meltdown

          Sr90 will slowly increase in ground readings over the following 6 mos. Because of atmospheric fractionation, precipitating back down in convection storms, it is then fairly quickly uptaken by the food chain

          We've cut back on dairy, and try to shop our fresh food East Coast and Local whenever possible. You can only do so much and leave the rest up to God…It will be fine for most because Fuku is still less of a release than the total decade of heavy atmospheric bomb testing.

          Thank you Andrew Kishner and ENE Admin for all your great work!

    • rooks rooks

      I am going go follow you on tweeter. You do a great job!

  • WindorSolarPlease

    Quote: We will be fighting this radiation on the order of tens or hundreds of years

    Will there be any humans left, if so what shape will they be in?

  • Bobby1

    Look at the elevated radiation readings in Australia, this is after 14 months. This will be going on for hundreds of years… tell me how this is not an ELE. The genetic damage to human and all life will increase with every generation.

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      ELE for sure Bobby. FEEL LIKE SCREAMING but will take a break instead. 🙁

    • retali8 retali8

      hey bobby, what were the readings and where in aus? im an aussie keen to hear about that ofcourse,,, wont be playing in the rain,, felt quite lucky being in the southern hemisphere, ya know?

    • NoNukes NoNukes


      As you have said, the majority of our oxygen comes from phytoplankton, so what will we breathe when the radiation damages the phytoplankton like these snowflakes?

      Sickputer posted this link:

      • hbjon hbjon

        Hello NoNukes. I have 4 bonsai trees in my home. They put out a little oxygen. I think the problem will ultimately be that the supply of oxygen will rise off the ground and be replaced by noxious gases like compounds of chlorine and flourine. I have no evidence that this might happen, but I am always on the lookout for the worst case scenerio.

        • NoNukes NoNukes

          Honestly, hbjon, I bet that some of these people think that a new "pill" is going to protect them and their children, never giving a thought to what will be in the atmosphere. Thanks for a worst case scenario! Plus the reminder to get more indoor plants, bonsai trees sound lovely.

  • …and furthermore.

    from youtube's 'show more' description:
    "A year after the nuclear disaster in Fukushima there has not been a significant improvement in protecting the local communities in Japan from exposure to radioactivity."

    "Radioactive materials are still being released into the environment — air, soil and ocean — from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant."

    "Many citizens still live in areas where the radiation level is dangerously high. The Japanese government continues to keep its citizens in harms' way by applying a [[20mSv per year]] standard to establish evacuation zones."
    (soon to be regrettable)

    "Citizens (of the world) in the rest of Japan also remain in danger of being exposed to unsafe levels of radiation due to widespread radiological contamination from the accident, food safety standards that are not strict enough to PROTECT CHILDREN, and the Japanese government continuing to burn and bury the radioactive disaster debris in municipalities across the nation."


  • americancommntr

    One of the things which should be done is look at the couple examples of natural nuclear reactors found in geological formations in a couple places in the world. The earth is not more than several thousand years old. (And if those who mock this do so using radiometric dating, then they have to also use what Robert Gentry discovered with polonium radiohalos and his radiometric indication of how the granite basement rocks formed, instantaneously.) If the expected radioisotopes from these natural reactors were not swept away by Flood waters and post-flood catastrophes, and are not still present, then something neutralized their radioactivity, probably microbes. There are already stories of microbial transmutation of elements. And as should be expected, a loving Creator, which God is, the real God as revealed in the Bible, creation, and Christ, there should be a 'backdoor' for dealing with the problem of nuclear contamination. There's a microbe for everything, it seems. Microbes have been found in all environments on earth. Our bodies have more microbes than human cells in them. Recent discoveries using genomic investigation show there may be twice as many bacteria as previously thought, which didn't show up in usual testing. So, there is some reason for hope in finding a solution to radiocontamination.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      americancommntr, my belief in a loving Creator and Christ is the only thing keeping me sane! And where He is, there is hope!

      • Eeeknot

        Ho Taters… Jesus pulled me from the depths of dispair…I used to tell people he wasn't real, but decided to give Him a chance. I agree with you… we have to walk in the spirit…that is the only way to have peace in such a corrupted world. Anyhow…thanks to all those who have made an effort to share the truth about Fukushima… if anything good could possibly come from this disaster maybe it would be that some people come to seek the Truth in spirit as well…before it is really too late…. Your work is appreciated.

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      "The earth is not more than several thousand years old." HUH???

      "There should be a 'backdoor' for dealing with the problem of nuclear contamination. There's a microbe for everything, it seems."
      I guess that's what the NRC/IAEA/nuke operators hope as well….

      I know, dinosaurs are not in the Bible. Nevertheless they existed.


      • StillJill StillJill

        Yes they are B&B. Have you read the entire WORD? (Just sayin)!

        They are in there,….you just have to read with an open mind. Hard thing to come by,…these days!

        • StPaulScout StPaulScout

          Realy Jill? Please do tell where. And not some vague reference to 'all the animals of the earth' or some other nonsence. And I have an open mind, I just don't want to pour pure, unadulterated bull shit into it…..

          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            StPaulScott, I refrained from asking, as I didn't want to completely derail the thread, but now…as you ask…I'd be interested as well! 🙂

            • StillJill StillJill

              I'm glad you asked. 🙂


              Job 40 is one they mention. There are more! 🙂

              • StPaulScout StPaulScout

                This – "In His discourse with Job, God says, “Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on
                grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a
                cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron."

                Is what you think proves dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible? Sounds like an animal like an Ox, just like it states. This just proves you will believe anything as long as it supports your pre-concieved notions.

                • StPaulScout StPaulScout

                  Or an elephant…

                  • StillJill StillJill

                    Or a dinosaur…….

                  • StillJill StillJill

                    StPaulS–"Or an elephant"

                    Huh? "His tail sways like a

                    What channel do you watch to learn about elephant tails friend? Hummmmm?

                  • americancommntr

                    "Moveth his tail like a cedar…"

                    Find a book with a full page photograph of a tall, large, "cedar of Lebanon", which looks quite a bit like a tall, large eastern red cedar.

                    Photocopy the photograph. Cut out the tree and its limbs. Then cut the limbs off. Then lay the tree trunk that's left on it's side.

                    What do you see? The trunk laying horizontal is shaped alot like the typical artist's conception of a Diplodocus dinosaur's tail. It's long, it's cylindrical in cross-section, it's wider in diameter on one end and it tapers to a point on the other end.

                    "Moveth his tail like a cedar"? Sounds like the writer was describing a Diplodocus tail, lying on the ground, sweeping around while looking approximately like a cedar tree trunk.

                    A hippo or elephant tail doesn't look like a cedar tree, either de-branched trunk or not.

                • StillJill StillJill

                  "There are NONE so blind as those who WILL not see." Another example of the 'act of will' to NOT know,…dare say, BELIEVE!

                  "Be of good cheer,…I have overcome the world".

                  Boooya, boooya.


              • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                Morning Jill! Snip from your link:"So, are there dinosaurs in the Bible? The matter is far from settled. It depends on how you interpret the available evidences and how you view the world around you. If the Bible is interpreted literally, a young earth interpretation will result, and the idea that dinosaurs and man coexisted can be accepted. If dinosaurs and human beings coexisted, what happened to the dinosaurs? While the Bible does not discuss the issue, dinosaurs likely died out sometime after the flood due to a combination of dramatic environmental shifts and the fact that they were relentlessly hunted to extinction by man."

                Mankind hunted dinosaurs to extinction? Now that's funny 🙂
                Guess we won't agree on that one! But: peace friend!!

                • StillJill StillJill

                  You're right B&B,….I'm pretty sure we won't agree either.

                • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                  Sorry Jill, look what they say about protecting the earth:"God will one day erase this current universe (2 Peter 3:7-12) and replace it with the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation 21-22). How much effort should be made "saving" a planet that God is eventually going to obliterate and replace with a planet so amazing and wonderful that the current earth pales in comparison? (…)
                  Are solar panels, wind mills, and other renewable energy sources worth pursuing? Of course. Are any of these things to be the primary focus of followers of Jesus Christ? Absolutely not! As Christians, our focus should be proclaiming the truth of the Gospel, the message that has the power to save souls. Saving the planet is not within our power or responsibility".

                  So trying to save the planet is not our responsability???? Insane.

                  • StillJill StillJill

                    Holy crudmuffin B&B,….that's the WORST translation I have ever had the misfortune of having in my head! I'd hate Him too if He ever said that. Problem is my friend,…He NEVER said that!

                    Read a King James version,….yous is BROKEN!

                    Like a roadmap,….better get the right and ACCURATE set, eh?



            @StPaulScout: love your wit and courage! Do keep-up the good fight, for all of humanity…

      • I note that Bibles themselves are made up of subatomic particles but mention them not. Not sure if they specifically reference Spent Fuel Pool #4, although it could likely be easily inferred from the last book (Revelations).

        For the moment, I'll veer more towards the Tibetan Book of the Dead – at this late hour.

        • americancommntr

          It's time to get in today's Ark.

          The first Ark was a wooden barge which saved the people who got into it from a global flood judgement, and this not just heavy rain for a long time around the clock, but from huge volumes of water released from in or below the crust. Even the upper mantle, due to the thickness and volume, has been found to probably have more water in it than the oceans (and it was Japanese scientists who researched that).

          The second Ark is Christ. Those who take shelter in Christ will be saved from the next judgement, and have eternal life, beginning in this life when they take shelter in Him.

          I'm not perfect and make stupid insensitive comments sometimes (though usually they have at least grains of truth behind them), but can still say this: Christ died for our sins, was buried, and raised again. And this: Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. This includes radiation, radionuclides, and death, and stupid insensitive comments. I have some idea what that love is like, though it is hard to remember it, and live by it: powerful and intense, genuine and sincere, as if you are His only child, He looks out only for your own best interests, including how you relate to others in this life, and there is no love like His in this world, it is not possible.

          • richard richard

            i come to this website for the scientific and serious issues of energy and how to stop nuclear destruction.

            i don't come here to be plied with someone elses religious beliefs. i'd go to a platform for such purposes and address people who wished to hear those stories.

            please stop with the evangilistics. it's seriously annoying. if you kept turning up at my front door with this kind of stuff i'd punch you in the mouth.

            i don't hate you by the way. you can have your values. keep them to yourself. i'm beyond it.

            • StillJill StillJill

              richard,…no one is evangelizing!

              B&B started yesterday out by besmirching my favorite book, the bible!

              She started it!

              She, out of no where, said that dinosaurs are not in the bible!

              Talk to B&B!

              Whenever, wherever, God is lied about,…I will answer.

              I'm glad B&B annoys you!

          • richard richard

            Friggin fool, clear off with your fairy tales!

    • richard richard

      Age of the Earth
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      This article is about scientific estimates of the age of the Earth. For religious beliefs and other non-scientific sources, see Dating creation.


      The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%).[1][2][3] This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples. Following the scientific revolution and the development of radiometric age dating, measurements of lead in uranium-rich minerals showed that some were in excess of a billion years old.[4]
      The oldest such minerals analyzed to date – small crystals of zircon from the Jack Hills of Western Australia – are at least 4.404 billion years old.[5][6][7] Comparing the mass and luminosity of the Sun to the multitudes of other stars, it appears that the solar system cannot be much older than those rocks. Ca-Al-rich inclusions (inclusions rich in calcium and aluminium) – the oldest known solid constituents within meteorites that are formed within the solar system – are 4.567 billion years old,[8][9] giving an age for the solar system and an upper limit for the age of Earth.

      • Time Is Short Time Is Short

        Well, actually quantum physics tells us that all things are possible, in an infinite number of universes. So, who really knows which universe we are in now?

        As far as historical dating, we know that our observation of any given situation alters the results, whether at the quantum level or greater (there really is no difference). So all results are possible.

        Then there is Bohm's Holographic Theory, and taking that further, we only experience that which is shown to us by something we do not yet understand.

        We are all correct at a quantum level. In one universe, Fukushima is not any problem at all. In another universe, Fukushima is the end of all life on this planet.

        At the end of the day, it's about how we handle the uncertainty, how we treat ourselves and others, and how we live our lives.

        Maybe we're in the universe where microbes eat radiation. Maybe we're in the universe where we all die. I don't know. No one does. But here we are, meeting each other on this site for some reason.


        • richard richard

          But what is it ?


          Whatever, it's not 'several thousand years' in this reality.

          • richard richard

            Thanks to red dwarf for providing most of the sanity in this sub thread 🙂

          • americancommntr


            Here you go. Here's a secular scientist, doing secular research, who found 'extremely old rocks' had too much Carbon-14 in them.

            Now either the carbon got into the rocks post-deposition, or it was in the sediments to begin with. The latter seems easier to explain to me.

            I took historical geology in college. I remember the basic principles of stratigraphy, used in figuring out the relative ages of rocks. About 80% of these have been undermined since then by new discoveries. For instance, sequences of sedimentary rock can be deposited as one continuous rolling deposition. Another, cross-bedding is not only formed aerially, it can form at the front of a bed being deposited. Mt. St. Helen's showed a stream valley can be gouged out, refilled with sediment, canyons formed in the sediment, and the result be a geomorphology with thinly bedded layers of sediment that, without knowing it only happened in an afternoon, 98% of geologists would think it was an age-old canyon with rocks in the sides deposited millions of years ago, over long periods of time.

      • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff

        "The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%)?????"

        How about 4.54 x 10^9 years
        How about 4.54 x 10e9 years

      • Eeeknot

        i love Jesus, the bible, science and totally think the earth could be over 4 billion years old… it just makes sense… I don't let others interpret the Holy scriptures for me either though…although many preachers' hearts are in the right place, they create stumbling blocks by their own misinterpretations of scripture…so sad.

        • richard richard

          Les Combarelles is a cave in Les Eyzies de Tayac, Dordogne, France, which was inhabited by Cro-Magnon people approximately 13–11,000 years ago. Holding more than 600 pre-historic engravings of animals and symbols, the two galleries in the cave were crucial in the re-evaluation of the mental and technical capabilities of these prehistoric humans around the turn of last century.[1]


          Drawings of a wild horse, a cave bear, a mammoth, and a cave lion


          R: Let's give our very ancient ancestors some credit for their actual existence and their creativity.. with the very first form of media signage.

          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            Agreed richard!

          • Nice, I didn't know that one. Stone age to self extermination in around 13,000 years. Impressive for a species.

            • Time Is Short Time Is Short

              'Fingerprints Of The Gods'. Explains it step by step. The writer just left out the part about 'self-extermination'. That's exactly what it is.

          • americancommntr

            Who dated the artifacts and drawings?

            What view were they already coming from?

            Could they be wrong?

            • chicofrito

              Originally Posted by Bill Hicks
              “You believe the world's 12 thousand years old? "That's right." Okay I got one word to ask you, a one word question, ready? "Uh huh." Dinosaurs. You know the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the fucking Bible at some point. "And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus…with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big fucking lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend.”

              • americancommntr

                Mock while you can because in this lifetime we will see the Tribulation. You're the one who is ignorant, coming to a discussion about origins and not having any familiarity with the basic sides of the arguments. The word dinosaur was not coined until 1847. Before that they were called dragons, and there's plenty of archeological evidence and historical evidence they existed with man, and places in the world where they still do today. The Bible talks of very large animals in two instances, Behemoth, and Leviathan. In the Catholic version of the Bible, there is an extra chapter in the book of Daniel detailing how Daniel poisoned one that people were worshipping. Most dinosaur species were small and the size of a chicken on average. If alligators weren't found anywhere except in fossils, they would be called extinct dinosaurs. Three-horned lizards can be found in pet shops. If they grew to 20' long, they'd be called Triceratops. Horned lizards in the southwest US, if they grew to 20' long, they'd be called Ankylosaurii. In the last 10 years, a very large T. Rex femur sawed in half was found to still have unfossilized tissue inside, and since then other dinosaur bone fossils have likewise been found to have the same inside. Frozen, partially fossilized dinosaur bones have been found in Alaska. Mammoths still live in Nepal, as do a variety of horse only known from cave paintings. You got your chance to learn about creation in the last years of this age.

                • chicofrito

                  I think we are already seeing it through many lives since before the beginning of time. I don't believe in the bible but I believe in Jesus, I think he was a normal person like you and me and i think he travels the path of Enlightenment like Buddha, peace, love and happiness stuff but the Roman church fucked up everything. Sorry for the english.

            • richard richard

              Your a mind washed idiot, clear off!

              • americancommntr

                No, you've been brainwashed, and it started even before you could read, and continued through all the years you went to school.

    • chicofrito

      Roman Emperor Constantine I compose the bible for the masses to slave them.

      Romans 13:1
      Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. lol

      “Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith."

  • ..goodbye humanity, who will save us from another hundred of reactors ready to crash sooner or later ;D nobody, this is the lesson for other civilization living on other planets, DO NOT BUILD NUCLEAR REACTORS EVER EVER.

  • TomSmall

    Well, I have some ideas. Assume the site will become too hot for human workers at some point in the future, and plan now for robotic heavy equipment — cranes and winches — that can continue the work.

    This is an international crisis. The US and Canada will be the first to feel the next wave of radiation. What Japanese are hanging on in the region need new homes. Canada and the US have overbuilt their housing.

    The Fukushima area should become an international area governed by Japan, Canada and the US. Japanese refugees can be offered dual citizenship in Canada or the US, and we should be glad to welcome these cultured, moneyed, educated people to our shores.

    Radioactive materials can be secured aboard refitted US naval ships, (now mothballed), and anchored right offshore of the reactors.

    Canada built the robotic arm of the space shuttle, and this is the type of thing we will need more of. NASA probably has plans for how a colony on the moon could operate, and this has some resemblance to the situation in Fukushima.

    • Anthony Anthony

      I like your out of the box – big picture thinking! I would also add to your idea that there are N. American citizens like me who would be willing to WORK or align my talents directly with the cause … here in North America or even in Japan. It is OUR problem ultimately.

    • SteveMT

      Great thinking here. Agree with Anthony. The robotic age already exists, and should have been implemented here already.
      They are doing this in Vegas. Why not in Fukushima?

      Driverless cars and how they would change motoring
      By Daniel Nasaw – 10 May 2012 Last updated at 06:49 ET
      Nevada has licensed Google to test its prototype driverless car on public roads. Assuming the technology eventually becomes commercially viable, how would a car that drives itself change the way we drive – and what might stay the same?

    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      The site is already too hot inside some of the reactor buidlings for any 'robots' to work. The electrical circuitry inside them is wrecked by the high radiation. Early on the Japanese stated that the technology required to clean this mess up didn't exist and that it would be decades before it could be developed.

      • americancommntr

        Well then, they could start making robots with less electronics and more of a mechanical nature, with more shielding.

        They could then equip them to neutralize radioactive materials, by use of Brown's Gas flamethrowers. Brown's Gas flame has been demonstrated to reduce the radioactivity of Cobalt-60 pellets to typical background levels, without any release of radioactive contamination. It doesn't take any decades to develop this, it was discovered in 1989.

        They could also bore down to corium and flame it. If sfp fuel was definitely going to burn, they could mass-flame the whole mess with Brown's Gas and probably render it far less radioactive and dangerous.

        But no, this would hurt the pride of nuclear engineers, and the profits of firms who handle nuclear fuel forever, and their owners, so they will watch their kids have heart attacks and lung cancers instead.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Nuclear power plants must be shut down. Immediately. Those in office need to get working. Now.

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    OMG Just saw a report on the news saying "Japan could become extinct in a few years" They blamed it on the young not interested in relationships. Can anyone find this news piece? I saw it on FOX.

      • StPaulScout StPaulScout


        • NoNukes NoNukes


          Whoopie is quoting FOX so we know the current propaganda, not as truth. The "OMG" and "They blamed it on" are tells.

      • Max1 Max1

        Save the races?
        Um, dude. We're all the same race.
        It's called the human race.

        Very telling who's in "it" to win "it"…
        … This race, that is, they say that MUST be protected.

        • RutherfordsGhost

          The same? Who told you that? lol!
          Human sub species are more different than you can ever possibly imagine.
          Same core functional genes for most functions, but that's where the similarity ends, and the Great Work of Time – evolution – has taken over.

    • fireguyjeff fireguyjeff


      There is a whole new biological generation in Japan and the US.
      They are known as the SYMs….Single Young Males
      Their demographic is 18 to 28 years old.
      Their testosterone levels are seriously low.
      Testosterone level correlates rather strong with motivation in men.
      Hence, these young men have little interest in school, career, or girls.
      This effect has been studied in depth at the clinical level.

      The domestic violence problem in Japan is now predominantly from the SYM child getting violent with Mom (SYM does not leave home) for being late delivering lunch while he is gaming, or her nagging about school or a job.

      So couple the lack of interest in girls due to low testosterone (never mind brain rewiring from porn) and this nuclear disaster and it is quite possible that Japan could be toast, genetically and culturally (can't live there) and economically.

      As if the quake and tsunami weren't enough of a disaster.

      • RutherfordsGhost

        You can see this in the present still born rate, but also in the increasing numbers of defects being found from dislocations, translocations,deletions and spot mutations in children … even ADHD, a massive problem in the US, is increasing around the world.
        Our genomes are under constant assault from chemicals, plastics, fumes, and of course – radiation.
        Expect more.
        PS: Male developmental problems are due to women taking the Pill … al very simple. ppb disturbances are seen developmentally, and progress into adulthood.

      • StillJill StillJill

        fireguyjeff,…that is FASCINATING!

        My own sons treat me this way.

        You have answered a painful question for me personally, right there.

        I thank you personally.


    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Hi Whoopie. Japanese population growth has been negative for some years, like most industrialized nations.

      Here is one good description of the Fox "news" item, chosen because it was published in 2010 – well before the Fukushima disaster, and well before it became "news" to Fox:


      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Negative population growth in Russia and Iran is due to Chernobyl, but also to all the nuclear facilities, accidents, experiments, weaspons facilities, etc. Japan's decline may have been due to those same reasons before Fukushima also. Now, of course, everyone may be dead and the island acknowledged uninhabitable before long.

  • SteveMT

    Who is "we" sir? How does humanity "fight" radiation? Humanity cannot fight radiation. They only die because of radiation, and the People should have been evacuated. The so-called fighting was done within the first two months of this disaster. This guy is a paid shill of nuclear power. Did TEPCO "fight" for the "we" sir, or did TEPCO think of "us first, humanity second?" What do the facts from the last year tell us? To voice this kind of crap at this late date shows that these people have no conscience. They are amoral.

    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi SteveMT, in the translation it says "WE will be fighting"…not humanity. Dr. Koide is anything but a paid shill imho, he's been of the very few who's discussed the Fuku consequences publicly.
      Maybe some of the exact wording is also lost in translation – has happened before, those transcripts might not always 100% exact.

      • SteveMT

        Thanks B&B for your input about this. The way I read this was that "we" meant all of humanity. Appreciated your interpretation.

      • pure water

        Thank you B&B for always defending people who speak against nuclear in public! They deserve it, risking a lot.

  • Cisco Cisco

    I read two recent articles, “Houston, We Have a Problem, No Known Technology to Deal With Fukushima”, and “The Worst Yet to Come? Why Nuclear Experts Are Calling Fukushima a Ticking Time-Bomb”.

    I thought they had been published on ENEnews; but, when I searched the site, I could not find them. Possibly one of our ENEnews commenters posted the links to them?

    So, please excuse me if this post is redundant, I am including the 2 links. Both are excellent descriptors of, what are the conditions at Fukushima, and what are the possible resulting effects.
    These two articles are an excellent resource for anyone who wants/needs to know what’s happening at Fukushima Daiichi, and what can we expect. Links to these articles have shown up when searching “Fukushima” in Google News; but, they have not been republished in any of the MSM.



    If these two articles have not been published as headlines on ENEnews, they should be.

    Consider sending them to your local news sources and the MSM.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    There is going to be a period of time..how long?…before people to put meaning to the words that they are hearing.
    This is so sad.

    • pure water

      Dear Heart, people are entarped in the illusion they are powerless, and do not risk taking resposibility for their own health, life, future, children. We are the only and ultimate experts on all these! All of us. When people understand this simple fact, no one can make them farmed cheap labour creatures any more. Just an opinion…

  • glowfus

    i hereby declare that this article is the greatest underestimation of a time schedule in the history of undedrestimating time schedules.

  • pahldixon pahldixon

    Personal radiation protection starts with super-nutrition that covers all the basic requirements for immunity, elimination, and regeneration. See: fallout-protection.blogspot.com for any easy way to accomplish this. (pahldixon@yahoo.com)

  • Sharp2197 Sharp2197

    Correction to headline:
    Change "tens or hundreds" to "tens of hundreds"

  • irradiatedinbako

    We have Operation Critical to the Northern Hemisphere going on in terms of what some physicists and scientists and engineers are expressing serious concerns about .. and most of this Enethread is about USELESS debate about how old the Earth is and other off topic crap??

    Are you guys kidding me?

    Isn't that what Facebook is for? We had endlees off topic discussions about xdrfox flipping out over exclamation points and not being taken seriously as an intellectual web source .. yada yada. ..

    And this??

    When FINALLY this story is close to a breathtakingly needed breakthru as to this potential disaster being carried to the world and intellectual community that can remediate??

    OMG. Get a grip. You guys are arguing about how many angels can fit on a pin head.

    • bleep_hits_blades

      I agree with Bako, & Richard – this religious stuff just doesn't belong in this thread or on this website.

      • StillJill StillJill

        Yes it does.

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          On a side note , the trolls reading this will have blast ; dude, wtf, i swear it divided and conquer from within, me doing nothing…amazing what a few people are capable off when they are controlled by organized dellusion. No matter the envirnment, since they respect none.

          • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            I apologize , anger took my judgement of words. I have nothing against spirituality in itself , it is dogma instead analyzing situations about what and who is good or evil or siencestific understandings shoved in face. Especially if accompanied with strong statements that they have a right to do so whanever and where they "please".
            Thats not spirituality, thats dogmatic fascisme alla phelps family in my book.

            But i hereby apologize to everyone that i offended with the word delussional. I don't care what technic people use or what culture or book they are influenced by or simply prefer. Or find on a Quest. Just like i can choose to hug a tree or think to sense that the whole universe is a giant living thing of energy constantly changing shape. It does not matter, aslong as it floats my boat and i don't hurt nobody. Goes for
            everybody, but not for the "me good you bad" dogmatic attitude in the 21 century .

        • richard richard

          Religious Shute does not have a place here Jill, you Gavin people need to wake up that we don't want to hear about your fairy tales.

          By all means pray and wish everyone well and all the usual platitudes, but this is not a forum for free advertising for gain lovers. Honestly, religious shyte is brain washing material and I do not wish to be seeing the baloney. Clear off with the garbage. ! Seriously, it's down right offensive. !

        • richard richard

          How the frigg can you even think like that, it's just selfish ignorance, just like religion.

    • ageezerofgiza

      I've said so before that I don't post here much because of the continuing thread derailment that renders many threads useless. The god-people are regular perpetrators of this.

      However, Admin allows it, to the detriment of the site.

      It's all very disappointing. It's a good-site-spoilt.

    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      As we all get closer to extinction – a slow process this time around, with plenty of time to soak it all in, in all it's glory – many people looking for answers will find their way here.

      While Enenews stands for truth against the onslaught of nuclear/government propaganda, we all will be looking for solace and companionship as we watch each other slowly die.

      A little compassion may be in order here. There's far more of this shit to come.

      • richard richard

        Plug your beliefs somewhere where people are looking for those answers, like efairytales.com, that's not here on a science forum. Religion has to stop hounding people for more brainwashing.

        • NoNukes NoNukes


          Please don't try to plug every religious reference. People have been referencing religion in the fight against nuclear for over a year on Enenews, and religious discourse may be exactly what convinces people in the audience that nuclear is a bad idea, as the majority of people believe in religion in the United States, New Zealand, and much of the world…

          Here is my post to you and everyone else on the off-topic thread about why I think that religious discourse is an important part of the fight against nuclear:

          May 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm · Reply
          According to studies, around 80-90% of Americans believe in a divinity, so the absolute best way to reach them about the evils of nuclear power may be exactly through that faith.



          So richard, snowwy, BreadandButter, and other astute commentators, can we please tolerate the religious references for the potentially really important work that they do?

          Can we pick our battles right now, and put criticism of the nuclear industry first?

          Religious discourse will be very helpful in that fight, especially for readers in the U.S.. Shutting down religious discourse does not help us in this fight, not with 9 out of 10 believing in the divine.

          While the Bible was used to justify slavery, anti-slavery activists were able to also use the Bible to effectively fight against it…

          • richard richard

            No, I cannot tolerate the religious references. It's free advertising for fairy tales. I avoid in all of my daily interactions, except on this site.

            Religion is brain washing, in many cases created by government to keep people as sheeple, unquestioning, limited thinking sheeple. 'don't fight, be passive, don't avenge, someone else will take care of vengeance' – how convenient for TPTB. This Christian stuff presents a universe full of courtrooms and balance sheets and ledgers, mmm, that looks so much like human authoritative chains of command. The limited thinking of religion has contributed to the crisis we see today in fuku, gullible people have placed their trust in a 'higher' authority, have not questioned what their own eyes told them. Religion is blinkers for unthinking people.

            None of it is a science or measurable.

            I've said before, I can understand and accept that people will pray for each other and present thoughts of goodwill, that's great. But don't fill these pages with biblical scriptures and other baloney. Honestly, it's just evangelism, free advertising for their cause and it's so friggin wrong. If you can't see how wrong it is then I don't understand how there can be any critical thinking coming through.

            • NoNukes NoNukes


              The server of this website is based in Utah. We might as well go to a "Energy" website based in Pakistan or Bangladesh and complain every time someone mentions Muhammad. Do you know any scientists from Pakistan or Bangladesh? I do, they are hired by firms in California, and many pray 5 times a day, and abstain from eating during the day for about a month out of the year. When they talk science they also throw in references to God.

              I understand your criticisms of religion, but I think that for the goal of the anti-nuclear movement, we NEED people who can use religious discourse that is believed by the vast majority of people.

              You know how a black man got elected president of a country with an incredibly deep history of racism? It was with a lot of money from the nuclear, coal and financial industries, as well as his CONVERSION NARRATIVE, his story of turning to Jesus Christ. As an atheist, he never would have been elected, not even with all the nuke and Goldman money. Atheist anti-nuclear people will also have their limitations in the context of this reality.

              As a practical matter, objecting to every religious reference is going to derail every thread. As far as critical thinking, I am asking to keep our anti-nuclear goals at the forefront, and allow people to use every discourse available to make the anti-nuclear movement more mainstream, ultimately more successful.

              • richard richard

                Man, your drawing a long bow to try to justify this.

                Since we are wasting time talking beliefs then science, here's my beliefs.

                Religion is spam for sheeple.

                I totally distrust Obama, the USA and religion. So all of your co joined commentary above just reinforces my sentence, religion is spam for sheeple.

                But hey, it's just my belief, nothing scientific or measurable.

                "the world is only several thousand years old" ha hah haha hah hah hhaaah hahah hahaha Hahn. Hahah hah hahah hah ha hah ha ha ha Hahn hahahahahahaha. Man there's some funny beliefs out there, that one cracks me up with it's shear stupidity.

                • NoNukes NoNukes


                  The simplest way to put it is that if 9 out of 10 people believe, then let's not have the anti-nuclear movement alienate 90% of the audience.

              • Holland Holland

                If religion is brainwashing then i really want to be braiwashed by the God of the bible. Why? The fruits of His spirit are…HOLD ON TO YOUR SEAT!….

                love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

                Don't we all need this for a better world?

                • richard richard

                  Let's just all hold hands and skip jump thru the green grassy fields shall we. Sure, love and goodwill are fine and valued things, but look out, that guy down the road who doesn't follow your faith wants your take daughter. How are you going to stop him, wave a daisy in his face? Or will you just leave some mythical fairy tale dude to seek vengeance for you?

                  Wake up to the realities of living on a rock hurtling through space at unbelievable speed. It's not always going to be a smooth journey. And someone else will want your seat.

                • richard richard

                  And in fact, the flip side to your argument is discriminatory. You are saying that unless someone partakes in your faith they will not find love, joy peace etc.

                  That's wrong. I bet the faithful also experience hurt, regret, sadness etc, just like any human being, no matter what faith.

                  • Holland Holland

                    I understand what you're saying. Ofcourse that guy down the road can do whatever he likes and nobody is able to stop him. That is the price we pay for not striving for those fruits of the spirit. It works best if the whole of humanity would strive for all those good qualities than it would eradicate all the uglyness in humanity. But that is not going to happen so every individual must make his/her own decision what to strive for in life.

                    My argument is not at all discriminatory. I am just saying that for me personally it does take so much effort to live by these qualities on my own. God promised a Helper (Holy Spirit) and i must say that i experience the help.

            • bleep_hits_blades

              I say yes to a special religious forum!

              Green eggs & God

              "It is an immoral act to try to teach someone who doesn't want to be taught."

              After a lifetime of being proselytized to & at – always by Christians, not by other religions – I've had more than enough of it. Christians don't seem to get it – some of us have seriously bad associations with these intrusive ways. What part of 'no, thanks' do they have problems wrapping their minds around?

              If it works for them, fine, whatever gets them thru the night, & I've known some good & compassionate Christians. But religions (& their teachings & doctrine) also can be & often are controlled for political reasons. If I were a Satanist (I'm not; I'm an agnostic & distrust all organized religions) I'm sure a great howl of protest would go up from Christians if I tried to reference 'my religion' here.

              Christians, because they feel that 'God is on their side' can be quite arrogant & over-bearing. In fact the history of the Christian church is rather grim – to a large extent is a tale of conquest & brutality, in the quest for empire.

              Probably Richard & others (incl. me) would not feel so strongly on the subject if we didn't have such a long history of Christians just not knowing when to 'let it rest' – & not realizing that their bringing their religious beliefs into the conversation all the time is experienced by some of us as annoyingly rude, inconsiderate, pushy, inappropriate, insensitive – etc.

    • Anthony Anthony


  • bleep_hits_blades

    Also schmoozing, telling each other how much they love each other, etc. I keep wondering, how can you 'love' someone you've never met and don't actually even know. At the risk of seeming like a curmudgeon – that, too, seems out of place. It's not a social networking site – it's for information exchange.

    It has seemed to me that fewer people might be contributing/ participating here lately; one reason could be that more of the content seems to have become off-topic, as per these observations.

  • demo demo

    If you know of a "better" site where people stay on topic (and w/ black print/white background, not vice versa) please share. At least this one isn't full of ugly trolling. I'd rather read lovey dovey goo and digressions about the age of the earth than the disrespectful anger that is spewed on so many blogs. Request–move off topic discussions to the off-topic Forum, including this one if it continues, which I'll try now, headed by "moved from Japan Nuclear Expert: Humanity-May 12, 2012 at 4:13 am"

  • bleep_hits_blades

    You're right, demo – mostly, people are courteous here and that is important and much appreciated.

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    I apologize, guys. As I said above, I wanted to refrain from asking for the dinosaur bible quote, as I guessed it would derail the thread – and then I gave in. Sorry again.
    I personally could do perfectly without the evangelical clutter – but if folks post stuff which is so obvious nonsense I cannot overread it….

    • Anthony Anthony

      I'm kind of shocked this has happened, especially to you B&B. I think religion is personal and really not up for banter as I have seen here. You certainly made a good point in the original post which had to do with the Earth's age. The earth is (b)(m)illions of years old, which was really your point to start with. You are a good person and we know that.

      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        Hi Anthony, I certainly would love to share a dinner table every one in a while with a lot of enenewsers to discuss things face to face! Would make a lot of stuff easier…especially with me being no native English speaker, sometimes it's not so easy to get the point across.
        Thank you for your comment.

        • Sickputer

          My German "cousin"….We have faced a little worse flaming than this, eh? Comes with the territory of being an active poster. But I have never been good about lurking. Kind of gnaws on me like when I watched the Mike Adams interview with Arnie and I am thinking of a hundred topics I would have discussed with or asked Arnie about.

          Ah yes… the questions unspoken which many Enenewers like to talk about with an expert who has years of nuclear industry history. Maybe someday I will get a chance to ask about those issues so dear to us for 14 months.

  • jbvtme

    I believe it was Einstein who said nuclear energy will eventually kill us. How did it happen? The folks who designed and executed the technology aren't human. Look at a picture of John D Rockefeller. Tell me he's not a lizard. The internet is filled with accounts of shape shifting amphibians like the Clintons, Bushs and Obamas. Their plan is to depopulate the planet using radiation poisoning. Then they move back under ground for 100,000 years where they came from. FYI, the earth is populated from the core to the surface. Check out Dulce, New Mexico.

  • el

    what a depressing exchange of dialog.

    Religion. Politicians. NGOs. Nuke Experts.

    ALL exercises in a Belief in Authority and so ALL equally flawed.

    If we believed in ourselves we would be getting somewhere.

  • el

    I have to listen to people exclaim that we need some Govt or something to save us–Its about as offensive as God speak.

    How bout we try tolerance?

  • Sam Sam

    Each of us has our way of psychologically handling uncertainty, insecurity, fears, and now
    this, the threats from Fukushima. there should be a seperate thread for those who
    respond with religious content to these dire times here on this site. I would hope the
    administration would encourage people to use that thread instead of allowing all to
    comment free for all in each posting. Religious discourse is so so important . Let it
    have its own stage here.

  • Sam Sam

    A second reflection on this issue. Some commentary here is like a support group.
    People are really stressed out. When one is stressed often times religious belief
    flows and bring solace. Again it needs a special forum here on the site.

    • Holland Holland

      I agree with you Sam but one of the strong points of ENENEWS is that room is given to go offtopic to a certain degree which is great. A special forum would be a good idea but so far not really necessary. For intens religious debate there are numerous forums on the internet.

  • bleep_hits_blades

    Holland, I think it's not the Christians who need the special religious forum, so much as the rest of us.

  • el

    How bout all the Pagan Religious Rhetoric that we are swamped with everyday?

    Why is there an Egyptian Pyramid on the back of the USDollar?

    Why is there a ritual lighting the Olympic flame, in honor of Poseidon?

    Why were all of the planets and moons named after mythical entities?

    Why is there a sun symbol on gas companies like Shell, BP, and and a pentagram for Texaco?

    Why were all the Space Shuttles named in numerical order in a Manifest Destiny protocol and named in reference to Global Control?

    Why does Popular music have Satanic symbols and verses?

    Why does the American flag look exactly like the colors and combination of the symbols of the Vikings? Any idea where the Eagle symbol comes from?

    Judging by these facts, one can conclude that it is NOT Christians that are causing a ruckus.

    Ill give you a hint–none of them comes from a "christian" meaning. In fact, they are all Luciferean or Satanist or Humanist.

    So complain all you want about Christians, the Mystery Religion of the Order has control of your mind and controls your conceptions. What you perceive to be "Christian" is prolly more like Sun worship than anything else.

    And you have fallen for the defamation of Christians like a fool. In fact, you can pretty much put blame where it deserves to be–right at the top of the ultimate religious belief-GOVERNMENT.

    –ps. NO ONE believes in a God like an Atheist. The fact that its capitalized will tell you its a religion like…

  • el

    ….all the others.

  • demo demo

    Take any replies to this to the Off Topic Forum pls and return this thread to "“We will be fighting this radiation on the order of tens or hundreds of years”

    • richard richard

      well, you see demo, this thread and debate may go on for thousands of years. if fuku never stops and enenews is handed down to future generations (it's servers stored in a great necropolis in a vast desert) who knows what new religions may evolve. scientific reasoning will always need defending.

      but i like your attempt at trying to move the thread. well done. the problem is that context gets lost. i kind of like how the idea has not been taken up to well either, it demonstrates everyone elses determination 🙂

  • bleep_hits_blades

    I've had so many Christians 'hit on' me that finally I checked it out…


    Bart D. Ehrman-(MISQUOTING JESUS; FORGED-WRITING IN THE NAME OF GOD; JESUS INTERRUPTED-REVEALING THE HIDDEN CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE (& WHY WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM);& other titles) – was a devout Christian who knew the Bible so well that he noticed that it was in some key ways inconsistent/ self-contradictory. In different books of the Bible, some sections – are verbatim, obviously copied from each other or a common source – or give CONFLICTING accounts of key incidents – like birth & death of Christ – in the tomb, etc. Scribes sometimes changed things to espouse their personal beliefs. Each copy was hand written (in different places & languages). Decades & more passed between when events happened & when accounts of them were written.

    Most spiritual beliefs & traditions are similarly flawed, in error, & in some instances deliberately deceptive/misleading.

    Religion has such power over the minds of men that it has been/will always be manipulated & twisted.

    Also see BIBLE MYTHS & THEIR PARALLELS IN OTHER RELIGIONS. Christ is a sun god, about 17th or so in a long line of sun gods who were sired by God Himself, born of a virgin, performed miraculous feats precociously, were crucified, & arose right around the time of the winter solstice – when the sun upon which all life depends began to come back from its (troubling)yearly vanishing act.

  • richard richard

    @el, the sun is probably the one thing that deserves worshipping. without it, there is no life, end of story. if it's hot and angry, there is no life. if it's cold and sad, there is no life.

    and i never set out at 'christians' per say. i simply debated the point raised that the world was only several thousand years old.

    everyone else has done a great job of taking wild tangents and spiralling the whole debate to out of control. i'm defending science and will continue to.

    but by all means have a go at the sun, blame it for all the problems. i mean, combine dinosaurs and their damn fossil fuels with a burning life giving sun and bamm, what have you got .. whoo, civilisation. there's your problem. just stop that sun.

    humans have used the symbols of their environment during our evolution for a reason.. they were there and had tangible effects. that's why they start scrawling images on caves walls.. (well, i'm speculating a little on motivation).(see my earlier posts on cave drawings for some examples).

    (by the way, i've tried to follow demo's lead and carry the thread over to here ..)