Japan Nuclear Expert: “There is no solution, we will have to give up” at Fukushima plant (VIDEO)

Published: October 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm ET
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Interview with Hiroaki Koide
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Filmed: Oct. 18, 2012
Published: Oct. 21, 2012
Translation: Fukushima Diary

Hiroaki Koide, Kyoto University Reactor Research Institute: There are a lot of problems and Tepco and Japanese government state they are going to pick the melted fuel up someday, somehow. I personally think it’s impossible. Because there is no solution, we will have to give it up. We will have to build stone coffin like Chernobyl for reactor 1, 2 and 3. However, at least they must remove the fuel assemblies on the bottom of spent fuel pools somehow before building stone coffin.

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Published: October 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm ET
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37 comments to Japan Nuclear Expert: “There is no solution, we will have to give up” at Fukushima plant (VIDEO)

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Nuclear disasters (all unforeseen) will happen, and happen again. The "only" solution is to stop using the wretched technology.


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      That is the real message of fukushima.
      Nuclear "energy production" is a direct path to fascism.

      In case of a serious accident you have to send workers to death.
      How to do this in "a democratic society"?

      "Let's take prisoners!"
      "We need more laws against… …freedom?"

      h.


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  • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

    and I'm sure that given Hiroaki Koide's 'prestigious' standing, we'll just have to go along with his suggestion. That fact that he's offering the most expedient economic path for TEPGOV should not cloud our judgement…


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  • PavewayIII PavewayIII

    Anyone read Japanese? Where is this station and what do the color labels say?

    http://ma-04x.net/image_png/graph_mext_38.png

    This is from:

    http://ma-04x.net/all.html

    Sourced from Iori Mochizuki's "Fukushima Diary" blog
    http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/10/radiation-level-is-picking-up-in-tokyo/


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  • markww markww

    There was over a year to come up with what was written over a year ago If they can't take out the assemblies take powered lead and cover then add the 8 element mix concrete that should solve the problems and under the plant pour lead mix concrete

    Mark


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      "powered lead"
      Lead: melting point at 327,43°C boiling point at1744°C.
      The Soviets do this first as a first attempt in chernobyl,
      but this had poisoned the workers with lead dust.

      Nice idea…

      h.


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      • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

        Chernobyl was VERY different from Fukushima.

        The reactor was surrounded by a very thick layer of dry sand. When the reactor blew and then melted down through the bottom, the sand around the reactor also melted and flowed down with the liquid corium, combining with it.

        When the helicopters dropped the lead and other things, these things combined with this mixture of sand and melted corium. The end result of their actions had the effect of making the corium more cool, diluting it and slowing the corium blob on the way down.

        The corium only made it down through a couple of floors into the basement of the reactor building, and then stopped all by itself, due to the diluting and cooling mixture of sand, lead and boron.

        However, the side effect was that much of this lead volatized and went up in the air, coming back down and contaminating large areas of land, along with the radiation coming out of Chernobyl.

        Over 1 million people sacrificed their lives trying to stop ONE corium blob from melting down to groundwater.

        Many miners suffered horribly digging a mine under Chernobyl to try and stop the corium.

        At FukU, not one person tried to stop the coriums from melting down and through the reactor bottoms. No effort was made to track or measure the progression of the coriums as they melted. Rather, deception, minimization and lies were used to cover up the true extent of the disaster. Only a few thousand people were brought in to pour water on the TOP of the…


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    • harengus_acidophilus

      You talk about "powered lead".

      What is "powered lead"?

      h.


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    The graph is for Aichi prefecture.
    Each colour represents different cities and places in Aichi.
    If these are truthful level, they aren't that high…compared to London :(


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  • I think the below is relevant to a desire to eliminate nuke from HOME PLANET. We could take a Carrington Event or even 200 good size asteroids and survive. BUT not if nuke exists on earth. Until all the used fuel is in dry cask, we are living on borrowed time.

    If the Earth was going to fly through a "cloud" of meteors, would "they" tell you?

    Supposedly, something as small as 400ft across could have earth devastating effects. What if we were going to fly through a high density zone of meteors say 50 ft to 600ft in diameter? And take maybe 200 serious hits?

    Would they tell you?

    Or would they make a power grab for all the resources in the world?
    Would they build bunkers?
    Would they beef up civilian law enforcement tools and vehicles?

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2012/10/would-they-tell.html


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    • 1. .. tell you? – No.
      2. .. make grab for resources? – Yes
      3. .. build bunkers? – Yes
      4. .. beef up enforcement? – Yes

      Building Nuclear Power Plants has never been a good idea in my opinion.

      Building them on coast lines is preposterous.
      Building groups of them side by side is insane.
      Building them on an island is crazy.
      Building them in an earthquake zone is demented.
      Building them in a tsunami prone area is psychotic.

      Add those all up and what do get?
      :( – Fukushima Daiichi !


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "…at least they must remove the fuel assemblies on the bottom of spent fuel pools somehow before building stone coffin." Nicely said. Except it will be found that the Fuel Assemblies have, for the most part, have been "disassembled" in the dry SFPs. Perhaps the remains can be vacuumed into a tank or something. One thing is certain, they will have to invent some new robotic equipment to handle the spent fuel, and keep workers safe. "Give up" and "stone coffin" mean that in the end, TEPCO must encase Buildings1,2,&3 in concrete, and walk away. I believe this will be a good thing, not a bad thing. But they must stabilize the Coriums1,2,&3 first, and do something to stop the flow of heavily-contaminated ground water into the Pacific Ocean. As it is, they pretend to work on the Buildings, and ignore the real problem, below the Buildings in the mudrock.


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  • Canuck1

    RED ALERT: FUKUSHIMA SPENT FUEL POOLS EXPLODED, ON FIRE NOW, RADIATION LEVELS SPIKING MASSIVELY
    http://thecontrail.com/profiles/blogs/red-alert-fukushima-spent-fuel-pools-exploded-on-fire-now

    I think we are screwed if this is TRUE!


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    • omniversling

      Canuck1 you've now posted this on 3 threads, and there's no verification. This report has factual errors. Could you stop now please? Either that or take the time to add to your post with an analysis of the factual errors. You are just shouting unsubstantiated fear. Thank you


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      If you have a Geiger Counter, the truth will be known soon enough, either way. This cannot be hidden, period.

      If true, so sad. Not many will make it through.

      But we have seen 'warnings' like this before that did not come to pass, and life went on as before.

      Nothing changed, other than the deception around nuclear power.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      This is not true. This refers to 3/11 explosions and possible SFP 4 fire. Someone is having a laugh at people's emotional expense.


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  • notactive

    Einstein already said it:

    "one hell of a way to boil water".

    .


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  • richard richard

    the gutless, spineless japanese need to start making good on their crimes against EVERYTHING.

    entombment is not an option, it's a declaration of war on Earth and the future.

    their current pathetic level of attempts to decommission are an insult to the world of the highest order.

    they are criminals through and through. we need to bring justice to them. they need to scramble every resource they have to solve this problem. anything less is criminal. Justice must be brought to bear.

    PAY THE PIPER JAPAN! BEFORE YOU HAVE KILLED EVERY LIFE FORM ON EARTH!

    get busloads of people every day to go and pull that place down, piece by piece!


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  • markww markww

    This is for HH the TROLL you put lead powder down in sacks and cover with a 8 element concrete the whole thing mixes up and entombs the system. The concrete has 8 anti radioactive elements that have already been proven to work and seals Fukushima till they can do something in 200 or 300 years. Your remark does not have any validation HH

    Mark


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      What is 8 element concrete?

      Why would it work to control radiation from spent fuel pools, melted down and through reactors?

      Would it prevent coriums from spewing radiation from underground?


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        This is just for the top cover. The coriums may or may not continue to burn deeper. It all depends on the shape the coriums have congealed into which effects how hot they are and if they can recriticalize or not. Digging an unground trench to line the entire site with this mixture and boron and steel could go a long way to keeping the radiation out of the groundwater. I think the argument Koide and others is making is that it is senseless to waste precious time trying activities to look good or that haven't any chance at success when we are losing the window of opportunity to entomb the reactors and especially, losing the window of effectiveness to protect the groundwater. My belief in the reason this is not being done is for 2 reasons minimum – 1) to save face and appear normal for the sake of the entire nuclear industry. To have to entomb another reactor will be the death nell for nuclear energy, and, 2) the recent push since Fukushima on the part of doctors and scientists to reject the nonlinear no threshold radiation exposure model in favor of an acceptable low dose is healthy for you model, which will allow the inevitable higher accidental operational releases of radiation from aging nuclear plants acceptable.


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      • markww markww

        Spent fuel pool fires already sent to Arnie Gundersen and others a fire fighting plan to put out radio active fires its a list a liquid chemicals that out out radiation and other elements that could burn. Iy can be used from fire trucks and put out the fires. The 8 elements is a mixture i wrote some time back that was used to stop radiation when mixed it turns into a shield It has also been sent to the people that would need to have it used in concrete. the lead shielding in bags mixes with the elements and wraps a cocoon around radiation and blobs.It is also a stabilizer it was used to stop the heating process of nuclear radio active materials where water did not have to be used


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        • harengus_acidophilus

          "8 anti radioactive elements"

          There is no thing called anti-radioactive.
          Just a baseless dream.

          "a fire fighting plan to put out radio active fires its a list a liquid chemicals that out out radiation and other elements that could burn."

          I like scifi, but this is to much…
          Radiation ignores chemistry. It's a lie.

          Simple solutions for simple people simply lead to useless deaths.

          You should know this!

          h.


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Nuclear Power; EXPENSIVE, Dirty, Dangerous And Toxic; via A Green Road
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/10/nuclear-power-expensive-dirty-dangerous.html

    Super Solar Storm To Hit Earth In 2013 'Carrington Effect'; 400 Nuke Plants Will Melt Down/Explode; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/super-solar-storm-predicted-to-hit-2013.html


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  • Radio VicFromOregon

    Con't, everything is being put in place for this reversal of the nonlinear model. If we look more closely at what the NRC priorities have been in regard to aging plants and acceptable low dose radiation exposure, the rearranging of the commissioners, and the courting of the "green energy" crowd to see nuclear power plants as the answer to global warming, we can see the agenda. As i see it, these are the 2 things that need to be blocked in order to shut down nuke energy. If we collectively pushed for entombment rather than decommissioning, focused on that instead of trying to find liars and cheaters, if we got the low dose radiation hazards info out to the public, then it would be much more like rolling a large boulder downhill instead of trying to roll one up the hill.


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  • Usefulbreather

    If they can build the Hadron Collider across two countries, couldn't they somehow encircle the perimeter of the most contaminated soil and groundwater, entomb the reactors and the radiation so that it doesn't spread to neighboring areas and aquifers? What is more important, the lives of perhaps millions or finding the Higgs Boson particle? If we can successfully construct the Hadron Collider I believe we can find a way to effectively entomb this mess and keep it from harming our descendants.


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    • richard richard

      The Hadron Collider took 10 years (12 with faults) to get to full operation and cost almost $10billion.

      Maybe Tepco could hock some duct tape on ebay as a fund raiser.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

      ps.. two years of fukukuku is approaching. seen any mega-size contructions yet?


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    • markww markww

      The concrete and the 8 elements and Lead powder in bags will turn into a glass shield encircling the BLOB of radioactive material.As it turns into a hard glass the lead shielding inside stops leakage of radiation the other elements stop the heat transfers.It can be pumped above and below ground It was tested and worked and shown on the Discovery channel in London and will work again on Fukushima.It could also be used in Russia.
      Mark


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  • The situation here is quite different than in Chernobyl … Here the main horror is derived from the corium flowing into the ground and swimming pool next to the reactor fuel. In Chernobyl there was no threat from the pools. Besides technology has gone far forward since then and we have a lot more capabilities. Cover concrete reactor is NO SOLUTION. This does not prevent us in any way from the next disaster consequences. And they can still be much larger. This solution is not successful escape from the problem …


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    • The area around Fukushima is highly threatened primarily the earthquake. In such a threat Chernobyl virtually no. Building a heavy concrete wheel, it sure its crisis stronger shock at first. Also seafront location has many other challenges, as even though that leaks through the wall that an earthquake will certainly crack. A potential tsunami "washed out" the whole power of radioactive water spilled fuel and debris ……


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