Japan Official: Fukushima nearly as serious as being attacked by nuclear weapons — If facts were known all citizens might have left Tokyo (VIDEO)

Published: January 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am ET
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Title: The Culprit Edano’s Self-Defense: “I Said ‘There Is No Immediate Effect’ Only 7 Times” (Nov.8, 2011)

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Description:  This video clip is part of the questions and answers at the Lower House’s Budget Committee on November 8, 2011. The questioner is Mr. Seiichiro Murakami, MP, LDP, and the answerer is Mr. Yukio Edano, Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry.

For more on Edano, see the recent Asashi article: Yukio Edano among 10 lawmakers most favored by Tepco in buying tickets to their fund-raisers.

h/t Translation by Ex-SKF blog & tokyobrowntabby and captioning by tokyobrowntabby.

Murakami at 1:53 in:

  • Chairman, please tell him [Edano] to stay focused. Your answer is completely off the mark.
  • I am asking why you didn’t tell the truth to the public when you knew it.
  • Let me make this point clear.
  • If Japan was attacked by nuclear weapons, the government would immediately tell it to the public, wouldn’t it?
  • This accident is nearly as serious as that.

[...More talk from Edano...]

Murakami at 3:54 in:

  • You’re still off the mark. Let me tell you this.
  • I have a friend whose wife works for a French company in Japan.
  • I heard from him that as early as March 13 through 15, Embassy of France told its staff to escape to Kansai or the areas further west.
  • The Embassy also instructed French companies’ employees to do the same.
  • In addition, as written in this material, the U.S. government wanted American citizens living within 80km radius of the nuclear plant to evacuate out.
  • But if U.S. Embassy had given such an direction, all the citizens in Japan might have fled to Nagoya or Osaka, leaving Tokyo, and a panic would have ensued.
  • So they decided not to do it, simply because they didn’t want to spoil the amicable relationship with Japan.
  • Let me ask you straight. Why didn’t Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary know about the grave situation when the U.S. and France knew it?

Murakami at 5:21 in:

  • Sadly, in 7 or 8 months from the accident, no effort to investigate the cause has been done and no clear information on the effort has been announced.

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201 comments to Japan Official: Fukushima nearly as serious as being attacked by nuclear weapons — If facts were known all citizens might have left Tokyo (VIDEO)

  • Sickputer

    And the fingerpointing begins…

    Wait until some American fingerpointing starts… Like why are US citizens (military) being left to die in Japan and Okinawa? Obama campaign hopes he can squeeze out another 10 months before that subject hits the debate platform. He really can be easily beaten on just the Nuclear issue if the Republicans play their cards right. Unfortunately for us… The nuclear mafia shuffles the deck for both parties.


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    • americancommntr

      From a retired psychiatrist:

      Politics is the Devil’s limousine
      You are the passenger
      He is the driver
      Whether the car turns right or left
      You are going to Hell

      This is the current situation in national politics. Super rich Satan-worshipping people arrange most of the candidates on both sides. So whoever wins, their plan goes forward.


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      • Indeed the puppets/actors put in front of us to vote for make a mockery of the theory of “elections”.

        How can it change whilst the populace is entranced with “dancing with the stars” and is not ready to take action


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        • James Tekton James Tekton

          My God!!

          What a realization and tie back to all the lies and outright corruption in the govt systems of japan and the usa. Here is a man (edano) that we once had some respect for, but now we see plainly his dishonorable acts that were covering up the horrible disaster that is ONLY getting worse, and is still doing so. He and so many others are complicit in covering up the worst extinction level event disaster in world history.

          Here is refutable evidence that those in the power govt command and control media war room system KNEW how bad this was from the beginning and all the way until this day, still denies how bad it is, or is getting to be in fukushima‘s wasteland. We see this in the ongoing cover up of what is presently happening at reactor number four. Look at this and let it set in for a moment.

          “I heard from him that as early as March 13 through 15, Embassy of France told its staff to escape to Kansai or the areas further west.”

          The worst feared scenario was set into motion after this explosion on March 12, 2011.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhwuFtsgTpk

          They knew how bad it was that day and still denied what many of us watchfolks have been yelling from atop the walls since the first day of this horrendous catastrophic ONGING disastrous event was unfolding on live TV.

          What is even more insidious and evil is the wicked obama/sotero knew too and he and his family bugged out while telling the nation not to worry or prepare.

          “President Obama today told Americans that they should NOT prepare for radiation from the possible meltdown of the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan. His exact quote: “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and public health experts do not recommend people in the U.S. take precautionary measures beyond staying informed.”

          http://tickergrail.blogspot.com/2011/03/obama-tells-americans-do-not-prepare.html


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          • James Tekton James Tekton

            Cont.

            By saying that he supports the lie, and this in the face of the US Surgeon General’s warning at the time he commits the deceitful treasonous crime of outright lying again against the American People. (3-17-12-11).

            “U.S. Surgeon General, Regina Benjamin, left, said it was right to be prepared for harmful radiation that could blow across to the West Coast following explosions at the Fukushima plant in Japan.”

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366709/Japan-nuclear-emergency-Americans-panic-buy-anti-radiation-drugs.html

            So what does the usurper in chief do? On the night of March 18th, just about the time the wave of the permanent contamination following our model of 7-8 days of hitting the east coast is about to come, he flies to South America with his family and close advisers. The explosion happened on the 12th and the approximate fallout contamination date for the east coast was the 19-20th window so he left in a hurry. Remember?

            “Obama is due to leave tonight (3-18-11) on a planned five-day trip to Brazil, Chile and El Salvador, his first extended trip to Latin America as president.”

            http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/obama-outlines-limited-u-role-libya-20110318-135210-588.html

            Unfortunately, all you good folks that are getting sick out west there were hit from the beginning. We were all hit. We knew that here and stayed “sealed” indoors for weeks after the initial explosion. How many of you knew that when you saw the explosion on March 12th? Wasn’t California an obama state? You all know the script.


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            • James Tekton James Tekton

              Cont.

              ENTER DELIA SURRIDGE’S BEDROOM.

              V hovers ghostly at Delia’s bedside.

              DELIA-It’s funny, I was given one of your roses today. I wasn’t sure you were the terrorist until I saw it. She manages a smile.

              DELIA-What a strange coincidence. That I should be given it today.

              V-There are no coincidences, Delia. Only the illusion of coincidence.

              He reaches into his cloak.

              V-I have another rose. This one is for you.

              He hands it to her.

              DELIA-Then you are going to kill me now?

              V produces an empty syringe.

              V-I killed you ten minutes ago. While you slept.

              As it goes on, it is only getting worse every day for everyone in the northern hemisphere. Most especially so for the west coasters. Your govt is NOT protecting you like you pay it to do. Some will die sooner, most will die sooner later in the cityeyezed disneyland beliefs that radiation is not real there, or hurts at all. There is nothing to be concerned about.


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      • gr81 gr81

        Ron Paul has ALWAYS TOLD THE TRUTH and even predicted the mess we are in in America.

        Ron Paul is one of the VERY FEW who are NOT controlled by the illuminati/bilberberg/satan worshipers!!!

        If we cannot elect Ron Paul, we are FINISHED, but if WE CAN get him elected WE HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE!


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        • StillJill StillJill

          I agree. Ron Paul is our best chance.

          Only time will tell,….bad thought came yesterday,…not all who stand up on the rebup stage will even still be alive,…come November!


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          • VanneV anne

            Please see my remarks above. Ron Paul uses the hand signal that shows that he belongs to Satan.
            http://www.whale.to/b/ron_paul.html

            He is pro nuclear:
            http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283690-Ron-Paul-on-Nuclear-Energy-and-Japan-03-15-11-Vid

            No one but the elite will own land. No one but the elite will have health care.


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            • VanneV anne

              Green Party Anti- nuclear platform:
              3. End the Use of Dirty and Dangerous Energy Sources.
              The Green Party advocates the phase-out of nuclear and coal power plants. All processes associated with nuclear power are dangerous, from the mining of uranium to the transportation and disposal of the radioactive waste. Coal is the largest contributor to climate change with estimates as high as 80%.
              • The generation of nuclear waste must be halted. It can remain hazardous for thousands of years and there is no way to isolate it from the biosphere for the durations of its toxic life. We oppose public subsidies for nuclear power. Cost is another huge factor making it unfeasible, with each new nuclear power plant costing billions of dollars.
              • The Green Party calls for a formal moratorium on the construction of new nuclear power plants, the early retirement of existing nuclear power reactors, and the phase-out of technologies that use or produce nuclear waste, such as nuclear waste incinerators, food irradiators, and all uses of depleted uranium.
              • The Green Party calls for a ban on mountaintop removal coal mining. With limited supplies and in the absence of commercially viable “clean coal” carbon sequestration, which is many decades away, coal is neither an economically nor environmentally sustainable solution.
              • Greens call for the cessation of development of fuels produced with polluting, energy-intensive processes or from unsustainable or toxic feed stocks, such as genetically-engineered crops, coal and waste streams contaminated with persistent toxics.
              • We oppose further oil and gas drilling or exploration on our nation’s outer continental shelf, on our public lands, in the Rocky Mountains, and under the Great Lakes.


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              • VanneV anne

                [cont.]

                • Due to serious negative impacts on food, soil, and water, Greens oppose biofuels production except for small-scale production such as that from used vegetable oils. Further, we oppose the use of biomass as an energy source on a large scale because of the adverse impacts it will have on our forests, soils, and natural habitats. Biomass from landfills may pose problems of air pollution if incinerators are used.
                http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2010/ecology.php#761303


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Outnow:
    “Is the US prepared to break the taboo of Nagasaki and Hiroshima in its new war in Iran? The criminalit­y of nuclear deterrence will probably soon be on display in the Iran theater of war. Tactical nukes are now considered to be legitimate tools of foreign policy by neocons such as Bush and Obama.

    Read this article by Harvard trained Law Professor, Francis A. Boyle:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28661

    Why is it that the truth is published only in Canada these days?
    +++++++++++
    GOOD QUESTION. I think our MSM is quilty of taking bribes from the very industry that is killing us all.


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    • bmurr bmurr

      It would seem to me that the truth is quite easy to find. People just don’t believe it…


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    • Actually they do more than just take bribes, MSM is owned in large part by the same people that own the nuke industry, GE as one major example.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Hi Whoopie,

      We can also get better news from Russia Today, RT (internet television), and Al Jezeera out of Saudi Arabia than our own country!

      Those are supposed to be news sources from countries the U.S. is not on favorable terms with, or of which certain members are demonized by TPTB for political reasons.

      Even Reuters is mostly ‘lamestream” media reporting these days, and they used to be pretty reliable and somewhat unbiased.

      One always has to look at the $$ behind the media sources in order to determine the level and type of bias there ….


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  • Tpac Olam Tpac Olam

    The entire population of [main island], Japan was irradiated day one. Walking Dead. Why test? Why evacuate? How? Considering Tokyo only, estimating 30 million souls, 100 flights a day,(1 take off every 14 minutes 24/7) 300 evacuees per plane, equals 1,000 years.
    With 1,000 flights a day it would only take 100 years. Every body keeping up? Next all the evacuees would be further exposed in the jet stream during the flight to Where??? With no personal items, even their clothes must be buried in a low level dump.
    Nuke Power, F*CK YEAH


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    • Gotham

      Although your point is well taken – your math has a problem.

      100 flights/day * 300 people = 30,000 people/day
      30,000,000 people divided by 30,000 people/day = 1,000 days


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      • Tpac Olam Tpac Olam

        Ha Ha no coffee, 1000 days / 1000 years whats the difference because where are they going to go naked, homeless, irradiated, dying and asset-less? WALKING DEAD and their puppet masters know this. Why spend X dollars / euros to relocate a person who will soon be sick and dying an expensive death. If the evacuee somehow survives, it is just one more plaintiff. Japan Gov. bean counters have already determined it is far cheaper to let them die where they are. Hence a 20K evacuation zone for a triple/quadruped melt down/through/spent fuel pool fire(s).


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        • Tpac Olam Tpac Olam

          Oh, and

          NUKE POWER, F*CK YEAH !


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          • NoNukes NoNukes

            Why only 1000 flights a day?

            “On any given day, more than 87,000 flights are in the skies in the United States.” Clearly, it could be more than 1,000.

            http://1lawflying.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/how-many-flights-per-day-do-air-traffic-controllers-handle-in-the-united-states/


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            • NoNukes NoNukes

              If just the “more than 87,000 flights[...]in the skies in the United States” on any given day, took a day and a half off TO HELP SAVE THE JAPANESE PEOPLE that would take care of it:

              87,000 x 300 people = 26,100,000 people a day

              So, A DAY and A HALF should be more than enough for 30,000,000.


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              • They got trains and cars. This could have been accomplished. At least the US has the elite survivial and government continuation base under the Denver airport, Japan probably made this decision because they didn’t have a back up governmental survival plan.

                all these government pukes all over the world are now staring down at their own survival, the survival of their cushy “job” in which they exercise power over people, and get to lie while being filmed in front of a flag. They love that shit, they will go to the wall in order to keep it. They will kill their subjects in order to keep that power. It’s time for a big change.


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                • A place for the Japanese wealthy to go !

                  Japan’s Government-Industrial Complex to Create Small “Japan” in Southern India

                  …The accompanying residential area will be 2 square kilometers. The “resort city” with the expensive condominiums facing the Indian Ocean will be developed starting 2013. Japanese shopping center, golf course, and hospitals with permanently-stationed Japanese doctors will also be built. The plan is to create a high-quality city where Japanese expatriates can live with their families. …

                  http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/01/japans-government-industrial-complex-to.html


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                • Isn’t it the Swiss who have under-mountain survival caverns and enough supplies for ? months/years for every citizen? They were worried about nuclear war, but we no longer need a war to do as much long term damage.

                  What post WW-II Japanese idiots allowed the US to convince them they needed to “Go Nuclear” in the most seismically active land on earth? Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t enough for Good Old Yankee Pride? All they ever needed for their industrial smarts (smarter than ours) was to develop ample geothermal resources. Yes, they’re mountains. Mountains can be drilled, even sideways. Ask the Swiss. Or the multinationals who installed CERN. Or the US, we’ve entire hollow mountains east and west. Nowhere near as difficult or expensive (or dangerous) as nukes…


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        • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

          Dear Tpac there’s some truth to what you’re saying. However, money’s value is a made-up thing, it’s an electronic confidence game for the past several decades, at least. Money is not the issue, therefore. It is a eugenics program.


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          • StillJill StillJill

            Indeed it is. And, also financial because TPTB do not even ‘recognize’ anyone without ‘means’. Period.
            If you’re not near the top of the pile,…in today’s standards,…..TPTB don’t want you. They have spent half a century culling YOU out. So yes, eugenics,…because we are “useless eaters”,….and the financial benefit to ‘our’ being gone, is quite the caveat, Yes?


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            • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

              Dear Still: Plus, there may be a camp in the titular power clique that believes the lie that Chernobyl, for example, is a sort of example of the ecological re-genesis possible with removal of humans. Unfortunately, what these morons (if I’m extrapolating their existence properly) fail to realize is that the ecological services of the planet with all nuclear failures, thermal maximum and mass extinction changes growing exponentially more serious, all extant humans are needed to manage all parts of all ecosystems in order to keep produce the bare minimum of ecological services required to keep anyone or any biodiversity going. Even if the currently quite priviledged believe that they can move underground, or even more fancifully and stupidly, to space, they fail to realize how utterly dependent all humans are on an INTACT ecosystem. The more we, as a species, un-hitch the moorings of all larger ecological services and systems, the more drastic the problems we will need to deal with with LARGE numbers of humans. It is not rational for the fascists at the top to assume that they can live underground. They do not realize the delicateness of the human species, a tropical, sight-driven, genomically quite delicate, PREY species, wholly dependent upon mutualism without our society. Those at the top are the most predatory, and therefore, biologically among the least fit to assume that they should be allowed to perpetuate. However, they won’t see this because they are mainly de facto and often factual sociopaths.


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              • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

                To my point above, just remember how thermal maximum “positive feedback loops” work and it becomes quite clear that there will be no SMALL group of humans that survives anything we’re currently creating through our stupid (as a species) adherence to exploitation and hoarding based socioeconomic and ecological behaviors. Those currently, by our GRACE, allowed to be at the top, least legitimately definitely of all humans (there shouldn’t be a TOP in a functioning human system), do not really get the very simple FACT that our ecosystem is FINITE and always has been. We have a FINITE ecosystem within a super thin biosphere layer between a boiling earth (beneath the crust) and the infinite cold of space, while we’re on a rock hurtling around a fussion bomb, itself hurtling around billions of other fussion bombs, black holes, etc., that galaxy hurtling through space…you get the picture. Humans are stoopid monkeys; but if we don’t let the most stupid (the most predatory, insane and greedy) rule, then we may live to see another day and our quality of life may be better.


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              • vivvi

                I really hope they do go underground. A few months without sunlight and their immunity will cease to exist. One of their ghoulish engineered flu bugs will wipe them out. Hey nobody taught me in school that sunlight was essential for immunity. We get the lecture about how the sun is bad, it causes skin cancer. No wonder so many brainwashed lillywhites are soooo sick these days. I get the feeling this anti-sunlight propaganda is a eugenics program too. Could also be whats behind chemtrails; blocking our source of vitamin D.


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            • Well, I think they need a work force to create their wealth and ability to exercise power (and war) as part of their pyschopathy.


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            • True. Though quite a lot of “useless eaters” on these terms are the people who grow and harvest the food. Are the rich planning to eat each other?


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              There is no other way to explain what’s happening. It is the only logical answer to the question of why nothing is being done. Either it’s eugenics or the actual situation is so horrible they simply can’t or won’t acknowledge it.


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    • patb2009

      not to mention with high speed rail and busses and trucks the population could be evacuated to osaka, Kyoto and hokkaido.

      No, it would be a huge national effort but women and children could be gotten to safety zones and moved on ships in 72 hours.

      it would resemble the evacuation of saigon, but, the people could be loaded onto barges, and the decks of container ships and taken to Korea, via the west coast pending evac.


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      • Tpac Olam Tpac Olam

        Posters above perhaps missed my points.
        1.DAMAGED GOODS. A very large % of the Japanese are going to require ongoing expensive treatment. Then they will die. Some of their remains will be hazardous. We are currently under a $ system. The ptb will keep it this way. Naked, Sick, radioactive dying refugees are not in demand. Jap. Gov. knows this and made the only decision possible. Damaged souls die in place.
        2. Any evacuation would need to be off island (see ongoing “triple/quadruped melt down/through/spent fuel pool fire(s)” comment. Marching columns are out. Where will you march them ? From one hot spot to another? Sick dying marching in circles. Not a Good Plan. Japan is Burnt Toast, there is no area of safety.
        3. Nowhere to go. See point 1. And who pays. Nobody in our current system can work for free to help evacuees and pay rent/mortgage at the same time. This means no fuel, ships, planes unless $$$ gets spent. Further free printing of $$$ will tip the boat and lead to widespread inflation, financial upheaval and, ultimately, more refugees. The Japanese Gov wrote these people off and the World has written off Japan.


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        • StillJill StillJill

          The truth isn’t always pretty, but “Tpac Olam”, every word you have stated is TRUE. Here’s the BUT,…But, shouldn’t “we” go down tryin’? Shouldn’t we ‘go out’ with, “No man (woman or child) LEFT BEHIND”? Isn’t our last “Free throw” all we have? And yet,…IT’S EVERYTHING,….and, ‘more than enough’, eh? :-)


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          • Tpac Olam Tpac Olam

            Yes, I agree

            “But”… “we” or “they” are not trying. Who among us has volunteered to help put 127 million people where. Would be great if the 20 largest countries of the UN would each agree to rescue AND absorb 5% of the population. [idea (C)Copyright / Trademark].

            “But” not the world we live in. So they Die

            Nuke Power F*CK YEAH


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            • I did, I offered for 4 Japanese to come live in my house even though it would be cramped.


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            • HoTaters HoTaters

              It is just like the Jews during WWII who sailed the seas on “death ships” and tried to gain entry to nations as refugees, only to be turned away. They went from country to country, often dying on the ships, as no one was willing to take them in, even the U.S.

              Only now there aren’t even ships to take these people out in search of new homes.

              The world at large has turned a blind eye to suffering. Everywhere. It’s as if the images of suffering, dying people on TV has seared our collective conscience and left us unable to respond with any sort of humanity.

              So what can we DO?


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              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Personally speaking, chronic illness sapped my financial resources for 5-6 years. I have to count myself among those impacted by this accident. I live on the West Coast and have been ill off and on since March. Am sure it’s mild radiation poisoning. Am somewhat immune compromised. If I could leave here and go South, I would! Feel like I’m among the stranded would be refugees.


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  • SnorkY2K

    It takes a very long time to transfer your investments out of a country. Each day that a large corporation has to quietly sell or transfer ownership to an unwitting pension fund or other source of cash is a day that the major stockholders can live better in their sanctuary. Tokyo has had land values up over $130,000 dollars per square foot down to $20,000 dollars per square foot. If there was any perception of risk, many very wealthy people would be financially ruined. It may be very unlikely that with so many very wealthy people at risk possibly even including members of the government that no one would take quiet steps to prevent any mention of evacuating Tokyo and devaluing all of the land to near zero value.
    With not only Tokyo probably needing evacuation but the other Japanese major cities north of Yokohama as well, it would devastate the Japanese economy and wipe out a majority of Japanese factories, places to live, and even provide basic services to its people.
    Comparing the continuing burning of over a hundred tons of nuclear fuel to only the damage of flash explosion of 100 kilos of plutonium or less is really minimizing the problem. If the psychological reaction to a bomb would get them to start treating the problem as the magnitude that it really is, then maybe we should lob in a big one since it would only be a minute addition to their problem.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Snorky, you’re on the right path. The sleaziest of machinations by the wealthiest, especially, at the hierarchical tops (and all our globalization/capitalist systems are absolutely without question hierarchically controlled from the top down) must be shut down. You can come up with ideas about what that would entail.


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    • many moons

      Japan’s economy has already bit the dust just hasn’t fallen over yet


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  • Dr. McCoy

    I think that #Tpac Olam is on the right track. There is no timely way to move tens of millions of people off of an irradiated island in a hurry, However, it may have been possible to evacuate large numbers of young children and infants for detoxification and adoption. Nobody even tried and now Japan’s fate and those of its people is sealed.

    Honshu is now becoming a petri dish of cancers, genetic mutations and death. Remember Love Canal? You may want to avert your eyes as It’s not going to be pretty…


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Dr. McCoy, we fail to remember that millions were daily or nightly moved out of harms way during bombing raids well prior to modern technology and there are too many other examples in history of the same thing to count in the past. A radical revolutionary change in government (it must become directly democratic and not titularly run from the top down) is required to deal with any of the following situations: Fukushima (or other nuclear failures of any kind anywhere), anthropogenic (human caused)thermal maximum (euph. global warming), and anthropogenic mass extinctions.


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    • patb2009

      nonsense, the Indians in 1947 dealt with 30 million refugees in 30 days with a impoverished country.

      Huge refugee columns, and you just deal


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    • Yes there is. That theory is framing the problem the wrong way. You are going to come up with the wrong answers if you frame the problem the wrong way. They could have evacuated in a matter of days. They have the best mass transit system in the world and lots of cars and bikes even.


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  • bmurr bmurr

    So I don’t know what is worse –

    The plausibility that they are lying

    or the possibility that they really are being forthcoming with the information that they have…

    The whole thing sticks of incompetence.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Bmurr: I’ve been the right-hand man to a number of department heads and deans at various ivy-league institutions. “They” know the facts beyond your wildest imagination.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Bmurr: Mostly what is perceived by the public in retail reality as “incompetence” and “miscommunication” in a procedural sense is stalling, distraction and perpetual attempts at appearing to be incompetent to distract the public from revolution against inadequate (because they’re greedy, and sociopathically self interested) hierarchical leaderships in the status quo.


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    • It is far worse than JUST incompetence


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    At a conservative minimum of 3900x the fallout from Hirosohima alone, I would say that this article is also BS minimization. Fukushima is more than 3000x as bad as Japans previous nuclear bomb attacks, IF it’s just Fukushima reactors melting down, spent fuel pools absolutely uncontained and occassionally burning and with incineration of high-level and low-level nuclear waste, and with marine and fresh water contamination by various means from Fukushima alone. I would say that Fukushima is at least 100′s of times worse than Chernobyl if not actually thousands of times worse, already in 10 months of emissions.


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  • Human0815

    There was already a huge Panic in the first days after 3/11, all Train Stations full of People who tried to escape and the Airports was full as hell!

    A real Panic means more deaths than we could expect from F’Shima!

    A full Evacuation of Greater Tokyo need a few days,
    Haneda can handle starts every 40seconds, Shinkansens with a capability of 2000 Seats every 7min and there are a few Ships but all this work only when there are no EQ!

    I saw already two big Evacuations in my life,
    the first one in Phuket and Bangkok after the Boxerday Tsunami and now this one, this one was more dramatic because of the size of Tokyo and the ongoing Tremors!


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Human: Not true. The, but-they’ll-panic saw, is dreck. History proves this. There are examples in history of useless panic; but for real reasons, what you term “panic” is actually useful to humans. It clarifies who the bunglers of history are, and what the special interests in cases where the public at large is being lied to for quite specious reasoning, are about. The “but-they’ll-panic saw, is copping out and neither realistic compared to the threats from nuclear failures, anthropogenic thermal maximum and mass extinctions, nor most any other present period injustice.


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      • Human0815

        @Pallas89,

        we are speaking here about Tokyo and not a small Town
        of maybe 2-10 Million People!

        Please do a little Research about the bombing of Tokyo in the second WW, “Operation Doolittle”!

        This Operation was announced by the Americans
        2 or 3 days before and Millions of People tried
        to escape with catastrophic consequences for Kids Womens and old/sick People!


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  • Centaur Centaur

    Why using plains, when having ships?

    35 Million people, 1000 people per shipload (taken big ocean cruisers as an upper limit), would take 35.000 rides.

    Now take ~1000 ships from small freighters to big ocean cruisers, Ø ~400 persons per ship. That equals ~85 rides of such a fleet… equals ~2.5 years when taking 10 days for each cycle: shipping people from the northwest of the southern island of Japan to eastern russia (~500km, Ø speed of the vessels ~50km/h, 27kt (wiki) –> mere travel time for one route ~4 days, 1 day stay at each port) )

    2½ years to evacuate 35 million people completely from the japanese island… Further rescaling of the fleet can reduce this time span further and there can also by fugitive camps established in the south of Japan.

    Expensive? Yes. But if people in charge decide to stop measuring in $, €, ¥ for the moment and concentrate on more existential measurement units for the moment – like LIFES – that shift in perspective would give more weight to more professional questions like: “How can we SAVE all those souls (and what’s in it for us, if we do it – despite the mere inner benefit from reducing the suffering and death of many, many people)*?”

    Well, there’s in it a lot: It will propably raise a second political/economical glasnost worldwide. This time, one between the people in charge – who stand with their back against the wall now, and surely don’t like the fallout either – and the overwhelming majority of people on this planet who are pissed too.

    Let’s hope, the people in charge are able to see the chances, that lie in such a “leap of faith” into a world, where $, €, ¥ are for the moment not more than mere symbols – just like ℑ and ℜ are. In that case, they wouldn’t control US more then we control THEM. (“We”, the human race that is.) The opposite can be true, and that would be a beneficial step forward in human ethical and intellectial evolution. Take courage and act upon it, men in charge. :)

    * the…


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    This U.S. 1950′s Radioactive Fallout Public Service Instructional Video is conservative and minimization in itself; but is much more realistic than the utter ignorance and avoidance by the government, people and corporations responsible for Fukushima: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9RPjdLc1Q


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      At least this radioactive fallout public service video hinted at the poisoning possible through internalized radiation. INTERNALIZED radionuclide contamination and BIOACCUMULATION in food and biological sources of contamination are hinted at here. Now our governments patently refuse to discuss this new elephant in the living room. Too many elephants in the living room in the past 30 years, no?


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  • Anthony Anthony

    The awakening begins.


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    Title of this article above, “[...] if facts were known, residents might have left Tokyo.” Well, why would facts being known now (INTERNALIZED and BIOACCUMULATION of radionuclides in all drinking water and food in Tokyo, and from all dust, rain, etc.) not even MORE encourage residents of Tokyo to evacuate?


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      The problem is worsening, it is NOT and was NOT acute and is worsening with time. Humans have such poor reality apprehension lately when it comes to non-ADHD attention requirement realities.


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      • Anthony Anthony

        Ok with sfp4 doing its dance of death the concern is more relevant today. I think this is orchestrated to deal with something really big – changewise, directly ahead on the Japanese History timeline. Big. The pools poisons truly cant still be an ‘not immediate threat’ ? Right? They’re talking evacuation because its time to talk about it.


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    • ion jean ion jean

      Since the dawn of the Atomic Age those in power set a precedent to Ostrich Out (stick their heads in the sand)

      Gen. Groves in his first SPIN to Congress in 1945 after the bombs were dropped told our lawmakers that many will fully recover and those who don’t will find it a “pleasant way to die.” He was all about his personal military glory and highly delusional as he controlled the NTS…

      WE THE PEOPLE need to HEED the wise words of Oppenheimer…

      (On building NPPs:) “A DANGEROUS engineering undertaking.”

      And Einstein…”One HELLUVA way to boil water.”

      They weren’t listened to cause TPTB are never the sharpest tacks on the board!


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        Dear ion: You eruditely bring up another salient point when dealing with the wealthiest titular clique rulers in our extant systems (all top-down controlled), that the higher you go in a wealth hierarchy, which btw always have militaries and covert orgs working for them and enmeshed with them, the more insane the players. The wealthier an individual, the more socipathic and insane de facto, is a nearly always correct axiom. They can be pleasant with delightfully mollifying public relations, due to increasing PR budgets with increasing wealth, but they’re always sociopaths in a functional sense. In the U.S. we usually fail to realize or remember from history, being a nearly completely amnesiac culture, that the wealthy are the world’s enemies.


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        • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

          Civilian nuclear power was brought about beginning in the 1950′s to cover for the greedy using nuclear weapons in their geopolitical wealth accrual and neo-imperial/neo-colonial territory expansion games. Civilian nuclear power is about profit making off the public tit. There are no private ensurers of private nuclear power. It’s pure parasitism socioeconomically by the least legitimate of all humans in all times proportionate to the risks and expressed consequences (in disasters like Fukushima, Sellafield, Areva, TMI, etc.)of civilian nuclear power that they’ve created and we, the public–the ones with ALL the real power, have stupidly allowed to occur.


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  • arclight arclight

    “and we later discovered what radioactive materials were released wich reeacs days…” ???

    “…and considered the potential effects of health and body…” on children??

    “situation worsened..” huh?

    “based on all these we ordered evacuation…”

    and on french us evacuation plans…

    “i wasnt told why nor on what basis they needed to do so..”

    “we ordered evacuation based on the available information..”

    “but also considering that the situation might suddenly worsen…”

    after the fact evacuations.. after the nuke explosion on reactor 3.. think ing how the people of kazahkstan were left to the tender mercies of the A BOMB!! and we know how that turned out!! ;(

    no cautionary precedures.. after the fact, hiding the fact.. 100 test done in a month (or some such low number…)

    domo arigato!! Mr. Seiichiro Murakami, you are a man of honour and integrity! and thanks to tbt and exskf too!!


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Arc: To me, it is obvious that the non-privileged, non-scientifically skilled masses are being intentionally shed, yes full genocide and eugenics (the sterility that comes with long-term and some short term irradiation by ionizing radionuclides bioaccumulated by humans)in favor of some class privy to both non-contaminated sources of food and drinking water (Libyan fossil water and food grown with it, at the very least). This SHOULD be apparent to the masses. What cowardly shrews people are in the 21st century that we don’t beat down our idiot greediest at the tops of hierarchies.


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        What the status quo morons (billionaires, multinationals and the militaries/covert org leaderships these are enmeshed with cancerously) do not realize is that ALL human creativity from ALL extant humans is required to solve the civilian/military world nuke failure problems, the anthropogenic thermal maximum and the ecological mass extinctions and ecological collapse problems. ALL HUMANS ARE NEEDED, except for the fascist ones engineering this genocide and eugenics program of late.


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          • NoNukes NoNukes

            this could be subtitled, “The Fox is in the Henhouse, and other scary stories.”

            impressive that international anti-nuclear activists would travel so close to Fukushima.

            Thanks for this and the Busby video, just started to listen…


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        • ion jean ion jean

          Amen Pallas89juno! The elites have YET AGAIN underestimated the genius of God and Nature…some through this contamination like myself will mutate in superior ways and breed healthy children Despite their eugenics agenda…Life will find a way (Jurrasic Park)


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          • arclight arclight

            its not going thall there own way though!! :)

            breaking

            Antinuclear conference calls for full support of victims in Fukushima
            YOKOHAMA (Kyodo) — Citizens, politicians and scientists attending an antinuclear conference called Sunday for sufficient support to be provided to those affected by the nuclear accident at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant.

            Participants of the Global Conference for a Nuclear Free World also called for “full transparency” by the Japanese government and the plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., when dealing with the accident and helping victims.

            The requests were part of the Yokohama Declaration that more than 10,000 participants from some 30 countries adopted on the second and last day of the event in Yokohama, organized by nongovernmental organizations such as Peace Boat.

            Rights should be protected for those affected by the nuclear crisis, including “the right to evacuation, health care, decontamination, compensation and the right to enjoy the same standard of living as before March 11, 2011,” said the declaration.

            The declaration further urged the government to collect data related to the plant crippled after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami in a “comprehensive” manner.

            It also called on Japan not to export nuclear power generation equipment or technology to other countries in Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Europe.

            And the declaration said Japanese atomic power plants that are currently idled should not be restarted.

            (Mainichi Japan) January 15, 2012

            http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20120115p2g00m0dm075000c.html


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          • arclight arclight

            Banyan
            The Fukushima black box
            A dangerous lack of urgency in drawing lessons from Japan’s nuclear disaster
            Jan 7th 2012

            “Negligence forms the backdrop for the first government-commissioned report into the Fukushima nuclear disaster, released in late December. Although only an interim assessment (the complete report is due in the summer), it is already 500 pages long and the product of hundreds of interviews.”

            http://www.economist.com/node/21542437


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          • arclight arclight

            A-bomb survivors’ dark experiences must not be repeated for Fukushima crisis victims
            January 15, 2012

            “Tanaka had initially intended to hold a news conference after visiting the Fukushima Prefectural Government, but prefectural officials balked at the idea for fear that a visit by atomic bombing survivors might illicit widespread fear. In response, Tanaka and his companions abandoned the news conference idea. It brought home to him how difficult it is to join hands and share information with victims of the nuclear crisis.”

            http://mdn.mainichi.jp/perspectives/news/20120114p2a00m0na001000c.html


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        • john lh john lh

          Yes, we have been united as THE ONE, by them ,in the dust of the fall-out at least.

          There is no other choice to be made.

          “Searching and find out the final enemy ,attack them till the game over “


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    All the effects, short-term AND long-term are eggregious


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      All the effects of nuclear fail anything short-term and long-term are eggregious and UNJUST and should be pissing off everyone into action in the now.


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      • ion jean ion jean

        With Groves coming out with “a pleasant way to die” after Hiroshima it really started the Legacy of Lies…when Oppenheimer realized what he had done and tried to stop the madness, the resistance built up against him and by 1954 they succeeded in stripping him of all security clearance.

        Uncannily, this timeframe coincides with the McCarty hearings and follows the Project Sunshine Study which blew the lid on the persistence of Strontium 90 in children’s bones and teeth and everywhere else they looked.


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  • Jebus

    All of a sudden we have perfect subtitle translations of Japanese…
    Bickering, infighting and finger pointing, as they mull over who is at fault.
    How long will this take, for them to pull their heads out of their asses and start moving their future young leaders out of danger.
    If they had any sense of decency they would be moving Mothers and Children out now, yesterday.
    People are suffering the kiss of death while they sit there in their giovani suits considering who is at fault.
    I am sickened by their display of hubris and I hope every Japanese citizen gets this video and gets it!
    These “leaders” belong in jail! In Fukushima jails!


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  • aigeezer aigeezer

    It interests me to watch Edano-san being roasted by opposition politicians.

    A few months ago, the media spin was that he was the gallant, tireless, rational face of a government struggling heroically with a fearsome crisis.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8757248/Face-of-Fukushima-to-tackle-crisis.html

    Then, as the months ticked by, he became a shill for the memes that there was no real danger, everything is under control, what’s all the fuss about….

    http://www.houseofjapan.com/local/industry-min-edano-sells-fukushima-produce

    And now, the wheel seems to have turned further. He is treated with full contempt: “Title: The Culprit Edano’s Self-Defense: “I Said ‘There Is No Immediate Effect’ Only 7 Times” (Nov.8, 2011)”

    The wonderful thing about the Internet is that it has an infinitely long memory. You can watch this kind of metamorphosis any time you want. I’ve just spent an hour fascinated by what I found starting with a simple “edano fukushima” Google query.

    I can’t resist adding that many of the opinions we all express might look rather embarrassing a week, year, or a decade from now. The Internet never forgets. Rant in haste, regret at leisure, as it were.


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  • or-well

    Super technology, right near the top,
    Supposedly some of the best that we’ve got.
    Illusion balloons
    and with one simple pin
    Mama Earth shows us the shape we are in.
    “You nukular boyz play with dangerous toys
    Now many are hurt it’s too late for coy.
    I’ve given you so much for you to enjoy
    Now I’ve gotten much more than just annoyed
    I’ve got a tectonic paddle that roars
    and I’ll wash out your mouths
    as well as your shores!
    If all of my children
    with nukes you would kill
    I’m ready to show you
    a new kind of thrill
    called species survival
    against MY HOUSE ODDS!
    Don’t think for a minute
    I care for your prayers
    and I don’t back down
    from slayers or dares!
    So if you don’t want
    the extinction slap
    you’d better shut down
    all this nuclear crap!


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  • ShineTheLight

    I am being to think that the truth will take decades to come out. For a long time, I thought that at least the US gov would warn it’s citizens.

    Because in the warning comes a chance to take precautions. Simple things can take place, like dairy farmers can keep feed covered from fallout. But instead in the absence of information, and in the presence of a constant stream of radiation, the situation has gone unmitigated….and the death toll will be greater.

    I know realize that this entire tragedy will be kept locked away from the minds of ordinary citizens around the world for a very long time. The world economies can not withstand the shock.

    But I don’t just blame the elite. I blame everyone who does not follow and protest against this epic tragedy. I look around at my neighbors they don’t want to lose their home and lands. If any announcement came that great fallout had been dispersed and contaminated the land they would lose life savings. Remember, in the US there is no nuclear insurance coverage. Try selling a home in a known fallout area without the funds to remediate the land. There are wineries, farms and ranches in my area owned by individual families and not agribusiness…they would all collapse. Who would buy a product from an area that the government labeled as contaminated? The government can’t bail out this many people. So the silence continues because people are scared of the ramifications.

    Off topic — But I thought this deserved a mention

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/01/15/project_to_pour_water_into_volcano_to_make_power/

    Pour 24 mil gallons into a dormant volcano?!


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Shine: We haven’t got decades. The Japanese have been having serious symptoms from the beginning and these will only expand and worsen. They haven’t got days, in the cases of fetuses, infants, and children. See “Chernobyl Heart”. This is not an abstraction. This is a NOW problem. Not saying that you were saying that. Forgive me if I’m being too strident.


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      • ShineTheLight

        Pallas – My emphasis must have been off. My point is that if anyone is waiting for for some government official, media outlet or institute of high public regard (American Cancer Society …comes to mind) to make a proclamation about this epic tragedy that announcement will only come a decade(s) later. Indeed, well after is far too late. And because, there seems to be just a “small” group of us that are outraged about this situation, my outlook on having the truth come out sooner rather than later is dismal.

        I frequently explain to the mothers that I know that iodine-131 (not to mention strontium) was/is found in dairy products in California…where I live. I then further explain the dangers and provide them with research information….they just shrug their shoulders and look at me like I am crazy. They they then turn around and pour their child a glass of milk. So short of an very alarming message from a highly
        trusted source the urgency of this message gets placed under the rug of denial.

        Pallas I understood the urgency from day one.


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        • StillJill StillJill

          So did I Pallas, just like ShineTheLight,…there has never been any doubt in my mind where this one is going to END,…without intervention from some Power greater than us.

          I used, “Unprecedented” first,….and I knew that I might get harpoon’d for it too. I did not. Unprecedented. That to me means,….no use trying to ‘scale it down’, to something my mind could grasp as, ‘manageable,….survivable,…’. No,…I knew ELE. Many, many here did also. Admitting it to your inner most self,….sometimes takes that ‘two-foot drop’ from the head to the heart. We are making FINE progress! :-)


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          • Gotham

            without intervention from some Power greater than us.

            Which maybe a long time in coming – in accordance with the ending of the tribulation. “If those days had not been shortened…”


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      • StillJill StillJill

        No such thing as, “too strident”, anymore Pallas! If you’re right, which you are,….your message isn’t ‘strident enough’, nor mine!


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Shine the Light re: dumping water into volcanoes to generate electricity:

      Ooh, they’d better be careful with that technology! With all the underground crevasses, lava tubes, and so forth created in volcanoes, they are messing with the possibility of phreatic explosions, mud slides, and other horrific stuff. I hope they are considering this! Is it just another example of humans playing with fire?


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  • ShineTheLight

    “now realize ” sorry about other typos


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  • Jebus

    What is happening here is that after 10 months and counting, the people of Fukushima are accumulating a yearly dose that even Mr. Yamashita has to believe is over the raised limits of exposure.
    Soon even the people of Tokyo will have accumulated enough exposure that no one can say it is safe anymore. They are getting past their lifetime dose of ionized radiation externally. Add to that the unknown internal dosing and panic is starting to ensue with the ones who are in the know. They truly believed that this would slowly go away and they could get back to raking in the cash. The cash is slowly drying up and their system is very near the cliff. There is no turning back for those in charge with millions of irradiated masses behind them, blindly following them towards the point of no return home.


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    Anyone in a decision making post in the hierarchy in Japan or elsewhere should be immediately FORCED into jail by the public, if they resist, I advocate doing worse.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Sorry, I meant to say that anyone in a decision making hierarchy ADVOCATING RESTARTING or USING NUCLEAR power should be immediately jailed by the public as obviously these are the public enemy.


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    • Dear Pallas, I understand you are upset, I am too! I don’t think putting anyone in jail will help however, because IMO that is the mindset got us into this mess in the first place.

      I know it’s not easy to see because we’re not used to other ways of thinking, but consider what in all probability goes on in the mind of these officials: they believe you and I should just comply with whatever they decide for us. If we do something they don’t like, it must be because we are bad, and therefore they must punish us. Now they’ll have all sorts of official justifications for it, laws and such, but behind all that it’s pretty basic, we should be punished because we are bad.

      Do you see how you can get trapped into thinking the same way when you advocate putting them in jail, or worse, because they did something you don’t approve of? And do you see how this type of thinking leads directly to the kind of hierarchical social structures we use, that in turn make inhumane things like wars and nuclear plants possible?

      Again, it’s not easy to see, we were raised this way, our parents were already afraid they’d look bad if they didn’t make us behave. It’s a vicious circle. But we can break out of it when we realize there are better ways. Look up Marshall Rosenberg on youtube if you’re interested.


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  • Rakka Rakka

    Considering it took the South Tokyo American Military bases over 3 weeks to get their dependents out… I can’t imagine how long the Japanese Government would drag their feet to get their citizens out.

    I was a part of the American evacuation and it was pure chaos on both the part of the people involved and the people in charge.


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  • Centaur Centaur

    Please pay attention to this comment on fukushima-diary.com:

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/01/roads-tokyo-shut-down-emergency/#comment-79433

    It’s posted in a thread concerning the possible closure of major traffic routes leading out from Tokyo in case of “an emergency situation such as earthquake etc.”


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    • pure water

      You are right. This is the road to slavery. When slavery is based on making people work more, or being poor, it is not the real slavery. People can avoid it by reducing teir needs and helping each other behind the monetary play. This thing makes them prisoners by law. Sad…


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  • Jebus

    I think that this nuclear disaster is/will be a defining moment in human history. This is not ’70′s TMI, not ’80′s Chernobyl, or GOM oil spill. These past disasters were “mitigated” publicaly by various factors. Lack of internet, lack of public disclosure, lack of public awareness. This corporate environmental disaster has staying power. The effects of this are forever in ways that know no boundaries. Time will tell if history can be written in a fundamental change of human behavior. Hopefully current world events, about to unfold, will not defer our attention away from this, by creating another nuclear fallout zone elsewhere.

    A shout out to those, in the beginning of this mess that foretold of this point 10, 12 months later. You are the ones who led the few, raising the alarm bells, knowing that this event would not go away as the other major environmental/human disasters have.
    I thank all of you, and enenews especially, for your unyielding wisdom and untiring grasp of the light of truth. Where would we, all humans be, without the few who carry the weight of reality, for the rest. It will be people like you who bring an end to the addiction, the lies and an end to the nuclear power madness.
    Thank you from one very awake sheeple.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    True,Pallas the elites wld. rather be thought stupid/in error, than that the truth be known – that they are & have been all along deliberately in cold blood doing these destructive things to millions of people, & to the ecosphere – have been playing a wild & reckless game of, grab the wealth before the next guy can beat you to it.

    In fact, human life means as little to them as does the life of a hapless pooch sitting in the dog pound waiting to be gassed, or the cattle in the stockyard waiting to be slaughtered & ground up into hamburger.

    I agree with Tpac Olam – to evacuate the millions of exposed/endangered people in Japan would clearly – I think OBVIOUSLY (!) – have been logistically impossible. It’s not just transporting them – it’s where to take them & how to keep them alive once they are there -& who’s gonna pay for it.

    Judge only by results – look at the genocides that the major world wars have been, & then realize that these wars were waged for profit and empire. To the elites we’re cattle on the hoof.

    The masses are IN DENIAL – regardless of IQ, that is, including the intelligent. They just don’t want to have to deal with this shattering reality.

    & yes, Pallas is correct, the elites are functionally sociopathic/narcissistic, like the Roman Emperors – sociopaths can be formed by early life experiences, but they can also be formed gradually in adulthood – for instance, alcoholics test as sociopathic/narcissistic pre-treatment; after going off the sauce, far fewer of them test that way(& many elites drink & drug).

    Human beings are primarily driven by IRRATIONAL ELEMENTS within them. Now we-the-living are blessed or cursed to see proof positive of that, to have it ‘undeniably’ shoved in our faces – within an eyeblink (in terms of the history of our species) of having achieved the power to destroy the ecosphere, humans, collectively, are doing just that. Clearly, that is NOT RATIONAL.

    The ‘backward engineering’ is there for all do.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    To have evacuated the millions exposed in Japan would have been a de facto admission of guilt. Politically and practically speaking, the only thing the elites could have done was to ‘pretend that nothing is/was wrong.’

    That they have successfully (by and large) been able to do this clearly PROVES their immense control over information WORLDWIDE.

    The “I didn’t know the gun was loaded and I’ll never ever do it again” defense, or a variant thereof. “We regret that due to circumstances beyond our control…”

    Yeah, right, but it was the only card they had to play and since the global elites of the world are in bed together and playing the same ‘bilk the masses’ game… well of course they are supporting the Japanese govt. and TEPCO’s lies and evasions.

    Denial, obfuscation, suppressing information has clearly been the way the elites have chosen to deal with this ‘public relations disaster’ – and to have evacuated millions of people would have ‘blown their cover.’


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    • Rakka Rakka

      So true. You can’t claim plausible deniability if you admit that something is wrong enough to get your people out. This is why the America Military made their evacuation a “‘Voluntary’ Departure”… so later they can say “OH we didn’t evacuate you… you chose to leave!!!”

      It’s seriously BS on all counts. Nothing short of genocide in my book.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Bleep: VERY true that the power elite will not act with appropriate torque because it’s all about the money for them. If they admit they’re as wrong as they are about building nuclear power plants on an island with no less than four converging thrust faulted tectonic plates, then they must also, logically, admit or will be forced to admit by the people, that it’s 100% time, unequivocally time for them to go. If they don’t go, they go to jail by the will of the people. They are that criminal.


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  • Centaur Centaur

    @bleep_hits_blades: The “leading few” may be sociopaths, but they are nevertheless human and “drop a shadow when jumpin’ like a cock around the hens den”. And therefore it can’t be in any “typical sociopaths” interest to _liquidate himself_ through destroying _his own_ DNA integrity and overall health. That would be a suicidal personality disorder, not sociopathy with all his struggling-for-personal-success-by-climbing-over-other-people’s-heads-without-empathy thingies.

    To all sociopaths out there: Try a different game: It’s called “Optimize the enjoyment of life for all, who live here on this planet, be it human or animal or plant. You can do so for example by cleaning up all toxic and radionuclear mess – and don’t get caught doing it. ;) ”.


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  • arclight arclight

    dishonesty is not just found in japan.. prof busbies recent results of his investigations of the science commuity in the uk! reepost but OT.. JAPAN IN THE FUTURE? maybe some japanese scientists should thnk deeply at what they say in future.. BANZAI!! BUSBY!!!

    Dr Chris Busby at the Royal Society: Scientific Dishonesty



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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Arc: I can’t remember if it was you or someone else who pointed out it’s not just the obviously stupid/ignorant/fascist that make these bad decisions about how to see reality in times of major collective disasters (I’m rushing around trying to get donated dozens of 1-gal. sized plants for my four city blocks of street median guerilla gardens planted before rains coming later this week–so in and out of the house for short breaks, sorry for typos and miss-attributions of who said what or problems with tone, please forgive me. We’ve been about 6 weeks no rain during our typical rainy season here in East Bay, Northern California); but, of course, that’s really correct. It’s a particularly vexing problem in the U.S. among the intellectual community with all the highest degrees possible. This is because in the U.S. the group think, herd think or collective brainwashing generated ignorance is nearly total and almost absolutely includes the portion of the population with higher educational degrees, who in most other countries, would be very much expected to know better. It is often said in highely educated political science circles that your average 5-year old Palestinian child knows oceans more about politics than a U.S. post-doc political science or econometrics researcher specialist. “Lies My Teacher Told Me” by James Loewen well explains this bizarre perpetual and ever more sclerosed cultural cognitive dissonance found in nearly every demographic within the U.S. back to, at least, the time of the Puritans. Americans, in general, lack proportionate analysis skills. They tend to mistake personal problems and what’s off the ends of their noses, as in Hobbs Leviathan–Hobbs no progressive, for the totality of reality and this, strangely, includes U.S. citizens with degrees. James Loewen is an excellent historian, I recommend reading the above book. Another great analyst of U.S. mass character defects…cont’d…


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        cont’d…are the analyses of U.S. “culture” by Alexis de Toqueville, which, like Loewen, Chomsky (less), Jarman (pretty good), Lakoff, Johnson, are quite clear headed and devoid of the usual leaden and oppressively ponderous hyper fascist and therefore totally factually inaccurate nationalism we see in most any analysis of the herd in the U.S. It appears that Japan suffers from some similarly paralyzing cultural defects when it comes to taking out their filthy parasitic leaderships.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Pallas, I live not far from you and am interested in collaborating on garden/food ideas, soil remediation, even partnering with community to help grow/distribute some relatively safe food locally. Am former UC Master Gardener, organic gardener for about 20 years ….


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          At least would like to talk with you on Remediation/Protection forum and share mutual ideas. Just covered my garden with 200 feet of 6 mil. plastic, and got the greenhouse ready for winter growing. Am looking into zeolite and boron soil remediation, etc., too. Plant to do Univ. level research soon in depository library at my semi-local “alma mater” as this provides access to research studies, online or in person.


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  • Centaur Centaur

    @bleep_hits_blades: concerning your second comment: i sadly 100% agree


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  • ShineTheLight

    It is not just the elite it is the masses…it is us. We have abdicated the “tenants of survival of the fittest” a long time ago. We allow others to cultivate, process and prepare our food. Leaving a ripe entry for a host of poisons. If we really wanted to survive we would ourselves pick the ripest berry.

    We allow others to lead and alert us to danger and ignore our own senses and survival instinct.

    Our collective senses have been dulled and dumbed. We have been domesticated and de-clawed…almost voluntarily.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    “We have been domesticated and de-clawed…almost voluntarily.”

    But sadly,…not neutered. (Sorry, bad day!)


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=891826420&clmigstart=20110718

    Here’s a great article from Paul Langley’s Nuclear History Blog. Kudos to him for some great research here, fascinating info, & of interest to me in particular because I live in Hawaii & see the Marshallese here, the women wearing their distinctive skirts. Many of them live (with their children) in a women’s homeless shelter that I frequently ride by on my bike.

    Yes the masses are part of the problem – in denial. Of course, they/we have been kept ignorant of so many of the facts/truths – subjected to what amounts to cult-type brain-washing from cradle to grave via TV, other mass media, & schools incl. of course universities. Control of info is vital to the success of our plans, comrade! Yawohl, mein Fuhrer!

    Yes, it is fascist collectivism on the march in another of its many guises/disguises/incarnations.

    We the masses, our labor CREATES ALL WEALTH. Well – the elites want that wealth & they don’t want to have to dirty their hands & work up a sweat earning it the hard way. Nope, they are history’s most sophisticated con artists, backed by a whole bunch of military might.

    Are they rational? Judge only by results. Are we rationally guided/driven? Again judge only by results. The evidence is overwhelming that humankind is driven by irrational elements & now that humankind has these huge powers, I fear the outlook is bleak indeed.

    It is so very sad because there is also a lot of good in people, & one can see how much better a place the world indeed could be if only it were not, throughout history, taken over by sociopathic types who have no consciences. BTW the prognosis for these sociopaths is that they are not curable.

    But we the ‘in-denial sheeple’, intent, in our free time, on pursuing our mindless entertainment — we,too, are part of the problem. We ‘adult children’ & the mad elites fit together like lock & key.

    So I am cryin,’ cryin’, cryin’ …


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  • Alice Alice

    I believe ‘panicking’ is a useful survival tool in the event of imminent danger to any bio-organism.

    Since when did ‘panic’ become a bad thing?

    I sense danger; I run. Simple.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Indeed, ‘fight or flight’,….these tools have dampened themselves down so far, for SOOOOO long,…that their adrenals no longer can get the, ‘fight or flight’ message out. As you say,…it is a WONDERFUL biological adaptation,…

    They haven’t the ‘senses’ left,…to ‘JOIN THE WINNING SIDE’. Ours! :-)


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  • Even if the facts were known, many would still not leave Tokyo.

    There are facts known about the West Coast of North America as well. Those facts are staring people right in the face, but they still won’t believe (as I have discovered) – they will instead attack the one making people aware of those facts. They will then disbelieve the sources of the facts.

    No belief – no evacuation.


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    • Alice Alice

      Been there; done that.

      Common sense may seem to be less common than flying pigs.

      What I’ve encountered though is that when faced with something unpleasant, the normal instinct is to remove the source of discomfort. It’s really nothing personal.

      It may simply be that when confronted with the possibility of world wide cataclysm or watching a movie of same, which will you choose?

      Plus, if the whole planet is on its way to becoming contaminated, where would one run to?


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Pu: I agree that reality has little effect on culturally brainwashed, self disempowered or otherwise, citizens. A an immediate mass cultural evolution is required, and a very radical one. This is 100% possible, actually. Americans, in particular, get all worried about this and rarely believe that change can happen at a large scale either quickly or as needed. Unfortunately, this is a huge cop-out and is based in our cultural defects, not even in pragmatism. You’re very right about the facts staring people in the face particularly on the U.S. West Coast, we are among the hardest hit with fallout during the 8 weeks immediately following the 3/11 cataclysm and ensuing nuclear explosions, and ongoing perpetual emissions since that time. All our drinking water and regionally produced food is definitely contaminated. All people living in California drinking non-fossil water locally or especially Sierra Mountain sourced and eating food products grown on the West Coast, are contaminating ourselves increasingly. We are bioaccumulating with known long-term effects and are doing nothing as a critical mass. Many or even most in the Bay Area nearest San Francisco have some idea, if they concentrate on the topic for a second, that U.C. Berkeley is not going to produce a tittle of useful or honest information about this topic due to its money and covert entanglements with the hyper covert (lying always in other words) DOD, DOE and many disgusting multinational petrol corporations, at the very least.


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    • Sad but true. You can’t save them all, select your target.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Pu239,…Boy, did I learn that one the hard way a couple months ago.

    Throw away the messenger. There,…message DELETED!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Re leaving… it ain’t that easy, Pu239. We are making a living or getting by or whatever, where we are. Most of us are in no financial position to relocate.

    But I agree with you about the denial. I meet up with it all the time and it is both saddening and chilling – creeps me out, as they say. My clueless zombie fellow citizens, don’t know, don’t wanna know – talk about a bunch of pathetic broken reeds to lean on.

    I have been trying (rather desperately) to share info about the ‘gangsta government’ (criminal corporate/banking elites in control of government) and their world-domination/de-population agendas for decades, literally decades.

    I am met with various defense mechanisms, basically, about 98% of the time.

    In the words of Pogo, ‘I has met the enemy and they is us…’

    Don’t know don’t wanna know

    u must be one of them conspiracy theory nuts

    now go away the nightly news is on and I never miss the news…


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  • Centaur Centaur

    Maybe interesting for all, who haven’t seen it yet:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MWpxH-RlFQ

    It’s a documentary done by two Czech guys living in the USA. It’s about psychopaths and sociopaths in leading positions of the US economic/political/military complex and shows possible ways how to deal with that issue. It’s definitely worth watching, in special the interview with Václav Havel.

    Good night,
    Flo


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Centaur: TYVM!!! This is going in my political tool box. I appreciate it.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Centaur this is a good video: But, beginning in 2008 (not a criticism, just observation)? Mr. Coyote must be rich, too. I think they began it this way to capture the short attention types that dominate in the herd mentality. I mean that most Americans have no historical reference beyond several days before any longer. Surely the producers realize the shit was hitting the fan in the U.S. back in the 1980′s and has been crescendoing or getting exponentially worse for workers since Reagan with no let up at all. The majority of workers didn’t do any better during the 80′s and 90′s, but far worse. Most working people who need to work are now working far longer hours, for far less reward and with far less personal meaning in life. Homelessness expanded by hundreds of percentage points in the U.S. during this period and access to things like medical insurance, dental services, educational, training and high paying, secure job opportunities have all plummeted and are plummeting in a radical way because we refuse to radically address the reality as a group. After the firing of 11K air traffic controllers on April 15, 1981, by Reagan, the shit really started hitting the fan in my opinion. The richest were emboldened and being psychopaths, they haven’t even slightly looked back. We have not controlled our idiot psychopath billionaire/corporate/military/covert power elite one little bit since. They never give. They only take without being forced to stop taking.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Centaur: Another thing that’s interesting about this video is that once again, the researchers, actually North Americans, are missing the big-picture. They aren’t analyzing the role in systems of creating “de facto” psychopaths. It is fact, not opinion, that all corporate/corporatist systems are sociopathic and/or psychopathic. They function for the wealth extractive benefit of only the ruling minority of such a system. Therefore, those functioning within those systems at the top of all top-down hierarchies, and all hierarchies seeking wealth are actually predatory when in any way exploitation based, are all psychopaths/sociopaths de facto. For humans, predatory behavior is aberrant and psychopathic.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Centaur: The points made about the masses not being able to have empathy for public events due to over-medication of society and under utilization of transformational (empowerment based) therapies interfering with appropriate responses to the psychopathology of extant power elites, makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, in the U.S., the cultural tendencies that prevent our reigning in our own ruling psychopaths are far deeper rooted than any modern medication based problem. We’re the very least empathic culture in the modern world, the lowest context (least community cohesive). The video is still useful; but it fails drastically in analyzing larger systems and historical causes of our general psychopathology supportive cultural mores, at least here in the U.S.


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Centaur (obviously I’m commenting as I’m digesting/watching this, forgive me). Ah, they’re finally talking about one of our elephant’s in the living room–how psychopathic most Americans of the U.S. are inclined to be culturally (not their words).


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        This video doesn’t analyze why U.S. citizens, Nazi era Germans, Fukushima era Japanese (many other examples in history) go along with doing the wrong thing and resist doing what the rebelious person would do by a factor of 90%. Sickening. This is NOT, in fact, the norm in what were called the non-alligned nations for the most part. TV, I believe, is having a large impact in expanding this hyper psychotic mass sociopathic behavior, partly by the spread of the lies of materialism as a basis for life.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    I’ve come to the conclusion that we are right where ‘we’ are supposed to be. There are no accidents in God’s Universe.

    Some of us can not move,…that really IS so. No shame there,…it HAS TO BE APPOINTED. He either IS,…or HE isn’t! He either ‘knows the number of hairs on your head’,…or He doesn’t. (Wow,…He must check-in on me often!) I’m dropping hairballs my friends! :-(

    Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.


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  • matina matina

    all enenewzerz who understand the danger and want to relocate somewhere safer should….money troubles, fear of a new beginning etc. all can be deminished and solved if everybody sticks together and helps each other. its stupid to be the selfconcious frog in the pot…….get together people, maybe if enough are interested we can have a thread to talk about it


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      You are 100% correct that cooperation is the key. It always is in all things in all times for the human species in all synchronic registers.


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      • matina matina

        yep, the mantra ‘divide and conquer’ has done wonders for the various rouling classes, meanwhile ‘they cooporate’ on the highest levels, look at their coop how to blanket this issue and massmurder silently with global consent……its our problem not theirs, thats what people have to understand and they dont. people just sit around in blind trust for the shepherd who leads them eventually to become stew


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        • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

          Dear Matina: True, one of the most pronounced U.S. mass character defects is the pursuit and lauding of celebrities, leaders and the wealthiest (the last are always most the sociopathic, greediest and most criminal) over the empowerment of the community. Americans of the U.S., and this can change in a split second contrary to apologists and cop-out artists resistance to the concept, also tend to want to know what is in it for them materially, pragmatically (?) before they will DO the right thing. Whereas, GOOD people do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do that is for the good thing’s OWN sake. What happened to people in materialistic cultures? It’s very easy to divide and conquer a mass of people who have, essentially, no courage, no morals and no self esteem (community self esteem).


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        • They divide us with this joke about the “2 party” political system.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Mr. Murikami…keeps asking about the US offer of assistance…what was the offer…?
    What were the TERMS of the offer…?
    Somehow..methinks… the US is doing exactly what it wants to in this situation.
    LIE.


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  • VanneV anne

    If people had known everything in March, that was the best time to evacuate somewhere south. Still, every little bit you do does help.


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  • PattieB PattieB

    this is post Tsunami, but pre building one ‘Boom!’ on March 11, 2011


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  • PattieB PattieB

    Key thing to note? The enviromental disaster management stuff is ALREADY IN PLACE!? on the 11 th!?


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  • Evacuations Notices By Different Countries For Their Citizens In Japan

    http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3074930


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