Japan Professor: “Inconceivable” that no records were kept by gov’t early on in Fukushima crisis — Top official says records will be ‘created’ soon

Published: January 24th, 2012 at 2:21 pm ET
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Title: Minutes of past gov’t meetings on Fukushima crisis to be created
Source: Kyodo
Date: Jan 24, 2012

Japanese industry minister Yukio Edano on Tuesday apologized for the government’s failure to take minutes of meetings of a taskforce dealing with the Fukushima nuclear crisis and said that he has instructed the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency to compile them soon based on notes taken by meeting attendees. […]

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“I will have (the agency) make utmost effort” to have the minutes ready for release “next month at the latest,” Edano said. […]

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Title: Japan task force kept no records of nuclear crisis response
Source: Reuters
Date: Jan 24, 2012

Japan’s energy minister admitted on Tuesday that no records were kept of top level discussions in the critical early days on how to respond to the world’s worst nuclear disaster in 25 years. […]

Kenji Sumita, an emeritus professor at Osaka University who specialises in nuclear engineering

  • “It is inconceivable that there were no records kept. It may have been difficult to keep official logs during the extreme confusion after the crisis, but they could have taken simple memos”
  • “Perhaps there were some goings on that the participants did not feel comfortable being made public”

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Published: January 24th, 2012 at 2:21 pm ET
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48 comments to Japan Professor: “Inconceivable” that no records were kept by gov’t early on in Fukushima crisis — Top official says records will be ‘created’ soon

  • tjharleycjmp

    “Inconceivable!”

    “Why do you keep saying that word? I don’t think it means what you think it means…”

  • aigeezer aigeezer

    I see an opportunity here. Wait for the new “meta minutes” to be released, then use FOIA demands to see the “notes” that the new minutes are to be based on, and compare the two.

    • Hemisfear311 Hemisfear311

      Do they even have FOIA in Japan?

      • aigeezer aigeezer

        They were one of the first nations to have it, apparently:

        http://www.freedominfo.org/2003/09/post-title-here-3/

        • Hemisfear311 Hemisfear311

          Thanks aigeezer, I didn’t know that.

          Perhaps that is the reason why no records were made (or destroyed later).

          • aigeezer aigeezer

            Absolutely, Hemi. The people who don’t want information to get out have plenty of tricks to dodge FOIA requests – it’s still worth doing though.

            Minor example from my experience in Canada: in one situation a small local group made its request for FOIA information to the government of the day. The group also asked an opposition party to make an identical request. Two very different bundles came back from the government – a small one, heavily redacted, for the small local group, and a much bigger one for the bigger, more powerful, opposition party which (happy ending) shared its bundle with the small local group (for reasons of its own).

            We must never underestimate the skill of our adversaries, but we have a few tools at our disposal also. Gotta love the Net!

          • Replacant Replacant

            They used the minutes to stop the reactor leaks http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/06/japan-nuclear-fukushima-leak I forgot about this brilliant bit of engineering.

  • Frances

    DOWNTONING AGAIN:

    to respond to the world’s worst nuclear disaster in 25 years. […]

    My comment is not off-topic. It refers to the way the whole reportage of this disaster had been rhetorically DOWNTONED.

    Note that Fukushima is referred to as “the world’s worst nuclear disaster in 25 years.”

    By comparing with Chernobyl, the seriousness of Fukushima is constantly downplayed.

    Rather, Fukushima should be referred to as “the worst nuclear disaster in history.”

    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Even “the worst nuclear disaster in history.” is (unintentional) downtoning, I suggest. How about “the worst nuclear disaster to date in the very young history of a very sordid industry”? 😉

      • James2

        How about “The worst environmental catastrophe in the history of earth”.

        Which it is

        • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

          How about “The worst environmental catastrophe in the history of earth”……that keeps on giving.

          • aigeezer aigeezer

            Yes indeed, PD.

            Banter aside, I keep reminding myself that the next one might start up anywhere at any minute and might be triple the size of Fukushima, and the one after that could come any time and be any size imaginable.

            As many commenters here suggest, we CAN conceive of these monstrosities. If we could not conceive of them we could be lulled into apathy about the situation. “Go Jets”, as a political talking head just said on CNN.

            • Replacant Replacant

              more like “The worst Man-made environmental catastrophe in the history of the earth” We didnt have to have nuclear power to boil water, man decided that is is “cheaper” than using the sun.

    • Even stronger, the worst disaster in History, of any sort.

  • “Inconceivable,” and its kin “unthinkable” are words that first and foremost tell you something about the person using those words. When you hear them, it informs you that the speaker is literally incapable of conceiving/thinking about the subject at issue. And that means they are entirely useless in the situation and entirely irrelevant to anything that needs to be done to address the situation.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Are they (Japanese government)…. waiting to be told what to say?
    Sure they are….
    Don’t worry… school marm Hillary….will be around soon to tell them what to say.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS…and say it they will…COWARDS.
    Complicit cowards…..

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    The government failed to take notes because they can change what they said for later. What they failed to realize is that later is now and people are getting mad. Throwing TEPCO officials under the bus is one thing, but when it comes to the government officials it’s all “hush hush” until they claim “cold shutdown” or some other bullpoo.

  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    They will make up the facts to suit their theories. Nothing new about that. But in this instance, there are toxic substances that will affect the rest of the life on this planet. Why no one has insisted that the government resign is a mystery to me. But probably any party that replaced them would have to deal with the same thing.

  • StillJill StillJill

    And,…I’m gonna guess there’s not a whole lot of ‘volunteers’
    to REPLACE TEPCO!

    My crystal ball tells me jackboots will remove TEPCO,….at some point. But, my crystal ball has been off a bit lately,…radiation and all.

  • Alice Alice

    Unbelievable.

    Anyone knows that reports made from recall alone can contain crucial omissions.

    That’s why it’s important to have the minute by minute account while it’s still fresh in the memory. Even if it’s just a bunch of post-it notes.

    • aigeezer aigeezer

      I agree, Alice, and crucial additions, subtle changes, wishful thinking, and just plain errors, as well as crucial omissions.

      Even if they had taken “normal” minutes there would have been a problem though, illustrated by the old biz saying that “whoever controls the minutes controls the meeting”. This means that it doesn’t matter much what people actually said, since the minutes are the official record, the only surviving “proof” of what they said. We’ve probably all had the experience of reading minutes of a meeting we attended and wondering if it really was the same meeting – usually one can recognize agenda-driven editing by a chairperson who “reviewed” the draft minutes. (I’ve been known to do that myself, back in the day – it’s a common practice.)

      So… we would get a suspect document at best, but the proposed version really is out of Monty Python – they can create any fairy tale they want. Perhaps they will have a falling out as they each jockey to find scapegoats and to portray themselves as heroes of the moment.

      It will also be quite exciting if someone eventually turns out to have recorded the actual meetings on their cell phone.

      As this goofy plot unfolds it is strangely like the plot of Act II of the light opera The Mikado, in which one set of bureaucratic lies has to be undone and replaced with a different set lest everything come unglued:

      http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/html/summary.html

      • Alice Alice

        You’re right, aigeezer, and I’m afraid this particular agenda (i.e. nuclear interests) will sound the death knell for all of humanity.

        And lest anyone think this is hyperbole, just consider all that deadly waste generated that has to go somewhere.

        To be honest, who will admit to wiping out the human race?

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        In the cast of characters: Prime Minister Kan-Kipoo? (Instead of Nanki-poo?) I guess he could still be called “Nan-Kipoo.”

        Naoto Kan, a.k.a., Nan-Kipoo.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          “Amidst the celebrations in storms Katisha, having tracked down the object of her affections, Nanki-Poo, and threatens to reveal his true identity. She is outshouted by a chorus of Japanese syllables: ” O ni! bikkuri shakkuri to!” (one of the many possible translations of which is “So surprised, we hiccup! Bah!”) . But the town dwellers are not to be deterred and ‘joy reigns everywhere around.’ “

  • StillJill StillJill

    You don’t have a meeting, without meeting minutes. Period.
    They have sawed off one of their only legs left to stand on.

  • Sorry, My eye’s rolled, couldn’t help it !
    QQ

  • Ace33

    massive fire unit 4 jnn camera is foggy but clearly see it and on the tepco cam there are 5 or 6 streams of water clearly fighting or trying to refill spf 4

  • Ron

    OK, here’s the million dollar question. It’s real simple:

    WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING OVER THERE?

    Seemed like the Ruskies had Chernobyl under control in about a week or two. This has been going on for what, ten months now and it the situation still seems no better than March 12.

    What exactly are they doing anyway? Are they trying to release a lot of radiation in some sort of twisted global experiment on the effects of radiation, cause it’s really starting to look like it to me.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      The reactors were built on porous sedimentary rock and landfill. When the site sunk 1.5 feet and ocean is now too high. When it shifted 8 feet pipes were broken. They don’t have the same options as Chernobyl. They never should built a nuclear power plant in that location. It was an uncontrollable disaster from day one. That’s why there is no news. The news is too horrible for anyone to bear. There were 6 nuclear power plants damaged by the EQ and two MOX reprocessing plants. Again, they were built where they shouldn’t have been. Also, Chernobyl isn’t going away. It is still shedding radiation, needs a new dome which no one is willing to pay for.

      There is no way to keep the corium out of the groundwater or the ocean. TPTB are just trying to keep the markets alive for their own personal lifetime. Or they are in denial which is actually what humans do. Denial and rationalization and ignorance and lack of education. There will never be any way to get rid of all the nuclear waste already accumulated. People just don’t know to stop making the mistakes they have used to get by. The builders of the first atomic bomb knew what they had created. Ordinary people (all the rest) can’t handle nuclear energy and live is not possible with nuclear energy.

      The Japanese government ordered the nuclear industry to do something so they are doing something. But the nuclear engineers from day one knew that using sea water for coolant would never help. But it “looked like” they were doing something. Putting a tent on reactor #1 looks like they are doing something. Moving the debris out of sight looks like they are doing something.

      They are still dumping corexit and synthetic microbes into the Gulf of Mexico to hide the fact that using nuclear fracking in the Gulf opened so many holes in the ocean floor that there is no way to stop them all up.

      There is no way to fix the blunders of so-called “civilization.” We are left to cope the best we can.

  • StillJill StillJill

    They are standing there watching Rome burn.

    They are not admitting that Rome is burning.

    We all see that Rome is indeed, burning.

  • Mack Mack

    —-> This could all be about lawsuits.

    Records on the meltdowns would be considered “Discovery” in a lawsuit.

    And at the time of the meltdowns, Japan had not signed 3 international treaties that would limit their compensation for nuclear accidents.

    http://fukushimanewsresearch.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/japan-unsigned-treaties-up-japans-nuke-suit-risk/

    —-> It appears the U.S. had nuclear liability at the time of the meltdowns, too, because the “Convention on Supplementary Compensation for Nuclear Damage” treaty required 5 countries to sign the treaty, but only 4 signed it (US, Argentina, Morocco, Romania)

    http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE77D0C620110814

  • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

    Hi all,

    Just wanted to let everyone know I’m still here, still reading articles and posts on this website…I’ve just been really busy, and still have trouble with being logged out when I comment. I just don’t have time to keep trying.

    Also, my geiger counter has stopped functioning normally, so I can’t test or post any accurate results. It’s too bad because I just got my hands on my car air filter, and can get more. If anyone knows how to go about getting my geiger counter recalibrated, let me know…it’s a digital one…