Published: March 28th, 2012 at 7:42 am ET
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Title: Fukushima mayor demands apology from Kobe prof. over claims he fled city
Source: The Mainichi Daily News
Date: March 28, 2012
[...] Kobe University [...] radiation metrology professor Tomoya Yamauchi [...] at a Feb. 18 lecture in Osaka, held to oppose accepting debris from the areas worst-hit by the March 2011 disasters.
“Fukushima city needs to be evacuated,” Yamauchi said at the lecture. [...]
Read the report here
As of May 2011 the city has an estimated population of 290,064 [...] Fukushima City is about 63 kilometres (39 miles) north-west of Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant” -Wikipedia
Published: March 28th, 2012 at 7:42 am ET
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Yes it does. Thank you Mr. Yamauchi. I hope you aren't silenced. My prayers are with you and the people of Japan.
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Never mind this town… what about Tokyo; is it safe to live in or visit? http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/tokyo-is-it-safe-to-visit-or-live-in.html
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I really think by the time that the authorities understand and get around to telling people that there is danger the danger has been existing in that area for….anywhere form 1 week to months to a year. Do not wonder when the tap on the shoulder will come…be sure that it will come too late. Use your common sense and make decisions based on that….From what I read last year, shortly after the accident, that the water in Tokyo was improper for children to consume…just based on that information I would have left the area. If you are planning to stay in Japan no matter what…then don't wonder what's happening…If you are planning to leave if things get bad, don't wait for the info to slap you in the face, because it won't….or be sure it won't matter by the time it does.
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Hi many moons,
You are so right. It should be clear by now that the authorities cannot be trusted to give you the correct information in time for you to act upon it. Everyone must use their own common sense and decide how to act.
Thank you for bringing up the subject of Tokyo tap water. Last year we heard how the Okutama Resevoir that supplies Tokyo with tap water was hit very hard with fallout.
http://enenews.com/japan-times-unusually-high-amount-fallout-okutama-tokyo-300000-bqm-1-usvhr-home-worlds-largest-drinking-water-reservoir-kind-built-supply-tokyo
I know what my common sense would tell me in that situation. Especially if I had children.
So many people have been drinking that water ever since, waiting for the authorities to tell them that it is harmfull to consume the tap water.
So many people, so sad…
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Arne Gunderson has established, by taking random samples and having them tested, that Tokyo is covered with radioactive waste.
"(3/25/2012) has a post featuring the recent video by A. Gundersen of Fairewinds Associates telling the viewers how he collected soil samples in Tokyo on his recent trip there and found them to be "radioactive wastes" by the US standard."
Is it safe to visit Tokyo, is it safe to live in Tokyo?
Only if you are imune to the adverse affects of radiation exposure. I am not so the whole of Japan is off limits to me.
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No.
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NO!! +2
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Need to evacuate all the northern areas of Japan, are there any testing going on in the south after the winds from the north all winter ?? Tome to LQQK and see what is there !
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Japanese people, evacuate! You are precious, the world needs you. Save yourselves, save your children and the future of Japanese culture.
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X 10 Evacuate Please!
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Missed this from Mar 27, 2012
Over one year after the quake and MThs after the I.A.E.I. confirmed that the core had 10 meters of water over it they now today say less than two meters do you know what that means I DO, China syndrome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedeYN5XTZo&feature=youtu.be
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Whoopie: Gotta love Kevin Blanch!!!
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I love him too! He expresses my very feelings too.
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I'm glad Kevin Blanch is telling it like it is. I do wish he'd educate himself to know the difference between the water level and placement needed to cover the cores vs. what covers the spent fuel. Not something you can generalize IMHO.
Which brings up a good point — if the core (wherever it lies) is exposed, is there any water covering the no. 2 spent fuel pool? And does that mean the SPF at #2 is burning off or the deadly spent fuel rods are also exposed? It's my understanding the two are cooled separately, but I don't fully understand the internal cooling configuration.
Would someone please address the configuration of the pools inside the building?
Is anyone even commenting on the condition of the #2 SPF?
How does water cool the reactor (water piped inside?), and what covers the spent fuel pool (separate pond?) Do we now have something additional to concern ourselves about, in addition to the missing #2 corium? Or is the no. 2 SPF intact and cooled?
I'm concerned Kevin Blanch (unintentionally) minimizes the severity of the other missing cores (#1 and #3) since they also melted down, by not mentioning them. It's not the "first time" we've had China syndrome. One finger pointed outward and three pointing back at himself.
China syndrome been ongoing at Fuku Dai for the past year! There's some indication it's not the first time this has occurred, at other locations on the planet.
Does anyone know enough about nuclear history to address whether or not there have been other incidents of the China syndrome? I thought I'd read it happened in the Soviet Union somewhere, or at some remote location elsewhere in the world. Very hush-hush.
I think Kevin B. would be a lot more convincing if he could minimize his gratuitous use of the "F" word. He's understandably angry (I would be) but it doesn't help him make his point or gain a lot of listeners. Just my two cents' worth.
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It's too late to entomb the "MTFrrr" as quoted in the video, perhaps I'm wrong and hope I am.
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Michio Kaku said early on that they should entomb it in concrete. But again, early on, he stated that Tepco et. al. had missed the opportunity.
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This is the CBS news article which Blanch is referring to.
via Associated Press:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57405190/japan-nuclear-reactor-has-fatally-high-radiation/
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Charles Castro – Expert on scene.
Recount of the disaster 1 year later.
This video is really frightening!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57399122/u.s-nuclear-expert-recounts-fukushima-disaster/
Note 1: He sate it will be YEARS until we know what's going on. He did not specify if that decades, centuries or longer. (?)
Note 2: We have been lied to from day one and this IS proof.
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“Live each day like it's your last, 'cause one day you gonna be right” ― Ray Charles (musician)
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correction: Note 1: He stated…
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2nd correction…His name is Charles Casto, not Castro.
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How long 'til he's discredited, thrown out, or found dead? Brave to speak up in that environment, for sure.
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The guy in the video above says it all: CHINA SYNDROME. He is pissed! I am pissed…we're all pissed.
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Pissed and hosed!
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Or perhaps another suicide!
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Kevin Blanch: "Entomb this MF!".
TEPCO. Get the hell out. It has been a year. In one year, all you've done is to find out that all the water you pumped into Continment 2 has gone into the Pacific through the gigantic hole in the bottom of Containment 2!
TEPCO. Get the hell out. Reactors 1 & 3 are too hot to get men into to take endoscope movies! You don't have a plan to even LOOK at 1 & 3!
TEPCO. Time for you to step aside. Let the Russians and Americans go in and ENTOMB FUKU! You and all your banker backers and insurance company backers, all your stock holders, and all your bondholders: You don't get even ONE YEN of your investment back!
All TEPCO is good for is to keep the lie going. This is NOT OK! COLDSHUTDOWN is not when the reactors are too HOT to look inside, and too LETHAL to work around. Entomb Fuku! Evacuate Japan!
Nationalize TEPCO!
ENTOMB FUKU.
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I added your transcribe to the link at HP. TY!
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I just put it up at Fukushima311 watchdogs. Never posted there before, dont know why.
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Not sure if entombment is such a good idea. The coreums will continue on their path towards the center of the earth. This scenario is very different from Chernobyl; in both degree of damage and location.
Given the close proximity of the Fukushima NPPs to the ocean, it's likely they'll hit the underlying water (if they haven't already), stall for a few decades (maybe even centuries) thereby transferring the contamination to the passing ocean waters.
Entombment will be akin to putting a band-aid on a festering wound. The wound must be cleaned first, then covered. And moving the threat out-of-sight is precisely what got us here. We need to develop a plan that neutralizes the melted coreums before the sites are 'permanently' covered…
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I dont know what the answer is. WE ARE SCREWED, no matter what they do. The world…
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Yes, if you can't stop the coriums from moving around there is no solution.
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HoTa..As I remember, this was basically the reason Kaku gave when he said it ws too late to entomb them, that there was (by then) no way to contain the coriums).
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Not to be redundant, but I do think the time has passed for dumping sand, etc and entombing the reactors. Also it is difficult for us to understand how massive an area this covers and before they cover anything they would have to locate the exact location of the corium's and wait until fissioning ceases. I don't know someone correct me if I'm wrong and they could somehow entomb the entire facility and how that could be accomplished at this juncture. Thanks.
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When the core was flowing under Chernobyl, they had to tunnel under it and encapsulate the flowing core. The miners and workers doing exploration found the core flowing through pipes, underground.
The scenario is much the same at Fukushima in terms of the core flowing and moving around. But the problem is gigantic at Fukushima because Tepco ALLOWED the core to continue to melt and flow. They should have been all over trying to locate the melted cores and working to encapsulate them, like a fly on poo, IMHO. But then again, with all the explosions and the general insanity surrounding all of that, maybe they couldn't get close enough to do any meaningful work to locate the cores.
What could the answer have been? Everything was very hot and radioactive. It's hard to say whether they could have tunneled under the reactors and found the cores, and ascertained their condition, early on. This may forever be an unsolved mystery.
It does look like they were more busy with the coverup and minimizing the appearance of problems, than with finding a solution. Saving face was more important than trying to prevent a full blown China syndrome X 3 (at least).
What's kinda frightening is hearing Gorbachev discuss the disaster scenario that would have ensued had the Chernobyl core hit the groundwater table. If he and the experts he consulted thought it would destroy much of Europe, how bad is the possible scenario for three melted down corium at Fuku Dai? There isn't a groundwater table sitting right under the reactors, but #*@(%#) It's right next to the Pacific Ocean, for crying out loud!
I feel pretty pissed and hosed too!
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nice response moonshellblue and HoTaters. It's (somewhat) reassuring to see that others are getting it; that they'll be none of the typical solutions (Hanford pools and the like) that we've seen over the last fifty years. This one's gonna pull the pants down on these so-called 'technologists', and the world's gonna see just what kind of 'men' they truly are…
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You mean these guys Egotistical Psychopaths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MWpxH-RlFQ&feature=player_embedded#!
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Whoopie, thanks for posting that again. So true!
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Maybe entombment for the SPF's (if it's even conceivable to do it) and somehow getting under the corium. It will definitely require "outside the box" solutions. It could be what is required is something no human being has ever conceived of, before. I hope the best inventive minds in the world will go to work on this.
It may not even come from a "highly educated" person. After all, Albert Einstein flunked mathematics in his teen years. There may be hope for us, somewhere, somehow.
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Perhaps from a dump truck driver?
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If a dump truck driver comes up with the answer, he or she will earn my utmost respect! IR the smartest dump truck driver in the universe! And I don't need to be able to spell. I just need to be able to THINK.
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just that some have problems seeing past the paper on their walls. You'll soon hear the howling screams of those who find the tower collapsing about them. And be assured…it is falling…
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"This one's gonna pull the pants down on these so-called 'technologists', and the world's gonna see just what kind of 'men' they truly are…"
Me,….likes!
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x100 YOU got it right imho.
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"When the core was flowing under Chernobyl, they had to tunnel under it and encapsulate the flowing core. The miners and workers doing exploration found the core flowing through pipes, underground."
From what I have readt this is incorrect. The Russians tunneled under the reactor so they could freeze the ground with liquid nitrogen hoping that would stop it from sinking any further. They never had to though as the core mixed with whatever and turned into an 'elephant foot' of metal and ceramic like material. Here is a photo.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.petraitis.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/chernobyl-elephants-foot.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.petraitis.us/2011/11/fukushima-china-syndrome/&usg=__KkDZYm8B72VQXmq4BL-Sqd3hD_c=&h=418&w=500&sz=55&hl=en&start=2&zoom=1&tbnid=izuyshiVz-Xv-M:&tbnh=109&tbnw=130&ei=_jtzT7POI8mxhAfbxImmBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dchernobyl%2Belephant%2Bfoot%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1
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You're right. The goal was to go beneath the reactor and inject liquid nitrogen. They did not set out to stop the core from migrating, per se. The cement beneath the reactor was cracking from the intense radiation and heat.
When they went underground, they found the core was flowing through a pipe into the ground. It had formed the elephant's foot shape you described. The room tunneled under the reactor was filled with concrete, which was to prevent the core from spreading underground. Lead and sand had been dropped on top of the blown up reactor, prior to the miners' being brought in to dig the tunnel.
But the point was, they knew the core was melting and radioactive material could spread underground. I'm sorry if what I said sounded misleading.
Here is a print version of what the video described that looks like a pretty good, brief summary.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=chernobyl_2010&num=9
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Here's a report on Chernobyl posted at enenews some time ago:
http://enenews.com/radioactive-lava-hitting-pool-of-underground-water-at-chernobyl-could-have-caused-explosion-like-a-gigantic-atomic-bomb-would-have-destroyed-major-city-320-km-away-video
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Listen to the reporting around 20 minute mark, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o
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"30 kilometers east of the plant, the forest has been scorched by the radioactive blast" from Chernobyl. At around 24-25 minutes.
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I figure the corium is largely "fissioned out" by now, having been in semi-constant contact with water both from above and in the ground for a year. It's just exposed surface that will do a quick chain reaction in contact with water anyway. That'll heat the mass exponentially, churning its insides around to present a newer, fresher surface to fission when in contact with water…
But even "fissioned out" corium is hot enough to stay molten – spent fuel is far more radioactive than fresh fuel – and spent rods melt just fine when deprived of water. We don't know how many corium flows they've got on the loose – could be lots. But I'm pretty sure our spy satellites have the ability to take focused thermal images (that's how they find people in bunkers and caves), so at least our guys know where the primary flows are and how fast they're moving. I'd wager the Russians, Chinese and EU know too. Surely someone would have informed Japan, don't you think?
I think at least one hefty flow is heading through fissures toward the cliff, that's what the boron cement operation is anticipating. Just my opinion. Figure they're hoping the other flows are split up enough to fall below active melt-whatever-they-touch temperature. Some probably already have. Will be entombed eventually, no hurry at this point so long as workers can avoid steam geysers and boiling water eruptions (which have been going on since last June). That's what those inches-thick steel plates are for.
If it does exit the cliff at a point where it'll drop into the lagoon (inside the seawalls), damage to the wider ocean can be minimized (relatively speaking), the mass will 'cool' and crust over. Big steam releases to the atmosphere, though. If that's what they're expecting, extending the evacuation zone to 50-75 miles is warranted. Might as well get started…
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I really love this analysis JoyB. Scary but brilliant stuff…
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Thanks for adding your perspective, JoyB. Although the steam releases are not pleasant to contemplate, I hope you're right about the seawall.
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"While thing fell apart nobody paid much attention"http://youtu.be/068AFYvd58E
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moonshellblue, how apropos!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm28ef3kNOI&feature=related
"This ain't no party! This ain't no disco! This ain't no foolin' around!! Heard about Houston? Heard about Detroit? Heard about Pittsburg, P-A? I've got groceries, some peanut butter, to last a couple of days. But I ain't got no speakers, ain't got no headphones, ain't got no records to play …. My chest is aching, burns like a furnace …." (Talking Heads)
Evacuate Fukushima! What do you expect when TPTB build the entire world economy around the waging of endless wars, and the threat of wars. We end up with LIFE DURING WARTIME. I guess I need to listen to that a couple of times and pretend I'm David Byrne. Maybe it will help to relieve some stress!
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HoTaters, kudos I totally forgot about that one, great tune and of course I had to throw this one at ya. ;>) http://youtu.be/ituP5X7kP64
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LIFE DURING WARTIME…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3MzVRpKKAo&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm5_3ZeHEz4&feature=fvsr
Sungha is (I think) 13 years old, and lives in South Korea. I hope Fukushima has not secretly stolen his young and brilliant life from him.
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" … all my childhood memories …. Where did they go?"
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Thank goodness that the system in place rewards success and the cream raises to the top in every case. Not like some backwards nations where croneyism and nepostism pushes the gifted and advanced back down into the bucket of crabs. The world of finance and business come to mind.
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"…bucket of crabs." Ouch…oh my…that felt good…
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The Chernobyl Sacrifice; 1 MILLION Liquidators
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/chernobyl-sacrifice-1-million.html
The Japanese people will probably get no better than the liquidators did…
It is still all about the 1 percent and profits above all else.
Why else would they keep the neighboring reactor going at Chernobyl and have plans to build another 14 in the same area?
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When people quit showing up to work to hand over their money and rights to the 1%…
When soldiers stop going to war….
When hearts are opened and harm can no longer be done, because it hurts the person doing it too much to continue…
That is when things will change.
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AGR…Many bequerels of PLUSSES ++++++++++++++!
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Meanwhile, the show must go on, and there are plenty of people to kill, bombs to drop and DU shells to shoot off all across the globe… We have to get rid of this nuclear garbage somehow, don't you know…
Depleted Uranium Effects In The Human Body, via A Green Road Blog http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/depleted-uranium-effects-in-human-body.html
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Hi AGR & all, a great compendium of documentation concerning uranium in all its deadly shapes and forms can be found at the youtube channel of the uraniumfestival, a film festivel which took place in Rio de Janeiro:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Uraniumfestival
*peace
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Over 1 YEAR later this is decided?
Why not wait a few more years. Hell wait 10 years, it's a nice round number.
geesh…
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33 years ago today TMI accident occurred I had just turned 21 and will never forget priests giving general absolution that Sunday. Here is a documentary with some folks you will recognize.http://youtu.be/WJCgSWpyARg
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Thanks for remembering, moonshellblue. 33 years?! Wow. I'm getting old…
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Info from the video on TMI:
–a million excess deaths shown statistically by Dr. Gould and Dr. Sternglass
–infant death rate soared in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania in the 3 months after TMI
–many people's hair fell out
–affadavits from farmers —> mutant animals
–mutated vegetation
–sores
–metallic taste in mouth
–respiratory problems, stillbirths, strokes, emphysema, birth defects and downs syndrome
–600% increase in cancers/childhood leukemias in certain areas
–TMI radiation blew up to Syracuse—Albany—Buffalo, New York then up towards Vermont
–nuclear power plants release radon, krypton, tritium, iodine-131, cesium, strontium which also act upon the body as free radicals
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I still wonder to this day whether I developed my illness from living in Cumberland County near TMI and all the other folks I know who have MS, heart conditions, Parkinson's, various cancers, the list is long and many have died but like they say these illnesses don't come with a sticker on them that says "I was derived from TMI" rather than "I survived TMI" the popular t shirt craze after the accident and this song from that era.
http://youtu.be/WJCgSWpyARg
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Sorry for the re-post suffering a bit of brain foghttp://youtu.be/LedxaMGXaj8
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Never Forget! -> TMI, Three Mile Island
ABC News reports: Seem Familiar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGI7VymjSho&list=PL69D1BB4DB0D8F834&index=15&feature=plpp_video
We were misled then, we are being misled now… and we will continue to be misled until we're dead.
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TY for this video. I wish everyone were required to see it. Here is an article by one of the doctors interviewed:
1,250,000,000 pounds of Depleted Uranium for reuse in consumer goods
Judy Johnsrud / Environmental Coalition on Nuclear Power (ECNP) 23jul97
“The March 25th [1997] New York Times article by Matthew Wald on Depleted Uranium (DU) is more than informational. It puts us on notice. It is an early warning that the U.S. Department of Energy plans to recycle massive quantities of radioactive waste — 1,250,000,000 pounds of DU — into the commercial marketplace for reuse in consumer goods.
“In addition to fabricating its DU into shielding blocks for use at remaining nuclear weapons sites, as Wald reports, the DOE hopes to be able to dump its surplus DU onto the open market to be smelted, refabricated, and then reused in a wide array of consumer products. "Slightly radioactive" buildings materials, cars, furniture, cooking utensils and other items, as well as bullets and tanks, will be produced and sold, with no warning labels.
“This dense, radioactive, toxic metal form can be reused again and again, perhaps eventually being dumped into municipal solid waste landfills, still radioactive. There will be no way for the individuals coming into contact with these materials to be able to measure them or to know how many "permissible doses" they may be receiving.
“What is important about these potentially numerous minute doses is that all exposures to ionizing radiation, including those from naturally occurring background, carry a risk to the recipient of premature death from cancer or leukemia, genetic defects in future generations, and a host of other noncancer illnesses and diseases that are associated with impaired immunity. Developing embryos and rapidly growing young children are most vulnerable….”
http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Depleted-Uranium-DU-Consumer.htm
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A book by two of the doctors interviewed:
Deadly Deceit: Low-level Radiation, High-level Cover-up [Hardcover]
Dr. Jay M. Gould (Author), Benjamin A. Goldman (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Deceit-Low-level-Radiation-High-level/dp/0941423352
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Overwhelming research on effects of low/high internal/external rad exposure
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,152.0.html
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Anne and Chemfood, I hope you both posted the info. to the forum area as well. I think it's really imporant. Please do if you haven't already, so others who come looking for this kind of info. later on can find it, thanks.
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what exactly melted down thirty years ago at fukushima according to fuku's former governor. was it a g.e. mark-1? if it was, then we have a thirty year study on what to do with these things when they melt. has a g.e.mark-1 ever melted down before? i doubt it. now they're saying the suppresion chamber is,well, suppressd! now i'm depressed!
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TMI2 was a shiny new Babcock & Wilcox Pressurized Water Reactor with two steam generators, situated in one of those semi-impressive concrete and steel containment domes next to more impressive cooling towers. It suffered several hydrogen explosions of atmosphere inside the containment dome, one big enough to peg the pressure gages at 32 psi. It managed to hold even though a big equipment hatch was seriously warped, so unless they're cracked (as the domes at Crystal River and Davis-Besse are), they are indeed sturdier than those dinky Mark-I and IIs.
Any kind of nuke can melt. Nature can cause it, human error can cause it, and plain old lousy engineering can cause it. Sometimes all three at once.
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There is black dust flying around Japan which is emitting Alpha radiation, and has been found in Tokyo. "Dust production" is a well-known feature of corium, as Wikipedia describes:
Corium (and also highly irradiated uranium fuel) has an interesting property: spontaneous dust generation, or spontaneous self-sputtering of the surface. The alpha decay of isotopes inside the glassy structure causes Coulomb explosions, degrading the material and releasing submicron particles from its surface.[42]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)
Enenews, Fukushima Diary and EX-SKF have all been reporting on the Alpha-emitting black dust for months and months, but who have you heard speak about this?
Busby has been speaking out about the threat of Alpha particulates since the beginning:
http://www.scribd.com/full/53738142?access_key=key-2ofgz0ucf961puhej5l
Has anyone else mentioned this issue of the black Alpha dust? Caldicott speaks to the "lava" but is she informing people about the Alpha dust in Japan on her tour right now? I believe that Gundersen said that the worst is over. If anyone has heard someone speak to the issue of the Alpha dust, I would greatly appreciate the info. Thanks.
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entomb it in concrete is too late now, the bottom having a big hole to escape.
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"The worst is over"? If Gundersen said that, he spoke with forked tongue. For one thing – just one thing – he is the man who warned about the 'ticking time bomb' of the damaged SFP 4 pool, which sooner or later IS going to fall, and in the recently published (on enenews) words of the Japanese expert/plant worker, that will be 'ARMAGEDDON.'
SFP 4 going is not 'if' – it is 'when.' Arnie himself said it would/will necessitate the evacuation of the world's largest city Tokyo – 34 million people – and equally at risk/exposed are Hawaii and the West Coast – however many more million people that is.
Obviously, evacuations on such a scale are not possible.
"The worst" is still happening and will be a 'debacle in progress' for a very long time, with the continually deteriorating situation there at the Daiichi plant and the coriums that have melted into the ground/ground-water, and the on-going pollution of the ocean/air/land.
Re Chernobyl vs Daiichi – I am quite sure there is PERMAFROST, a very deep layer of permanently frozen ground, under the Chernobyl plant. This has a profound effect on the fissioning corium, cools it and retards/prevents its movement.
Under Daiichi there is groundwater, and the ocean very near-by. So what worked at Chernobyl would never work at Daiichi.
As most here know, the entombment of Chernobyl is in trouble, deteriorating, falling apart.
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With increase levels and rising, It seems the F P s are burning at least off and on !
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