Published: October 17th, 2011 at 2:38 am ET
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OHTAWARA, JAPAN, Oct 17 — 800,000 pounds of radioactive ash have piled up at a garbage incineration plant over 100 km from the Fukushima meltdowns, according to a report on Reuters by Kiyoshi Takenaka.
The Ohtawara plant is projected to run out of protected storage space in two weeks, after which radioactive ash will have to be left outdoors with no proper shelter.
A city official explained why the ash has not been taken to a local dump: “Residents say they are worried about their children’s health and grandchildren’s health. Faced with such pleas, we just cannot make a move.”
“Researchers say that problems arising from the radiation, scattered over mountains, rivers and residential areas, are set to persist for years,” reports Reuters. “The problem is here to stay.”
Kobe University professor Tomoya Yamauchi said, “I doubt the problem will go away in a year or two. It takes 30 years for caesium 137 to decay by half. Each time it rains, caesium deposited in mountains will be washed down to where people live.”
In northern Japan, government data shows the amount of stored-up radioactive ash and dehydrated sludge is up 63 percent in the last 11 weeks.
Read More: Japan cities face growing radioactive ash, troubles ahead
h/t Anonymous tip
Published: October 17th, 2011 at 2:38 am ET
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Insane!
How long will it take to collect all the debris, burn it, and cover everything with radioactive ash? First Honshu then…Hokai…and on and on…then…
Insane!
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“In northern Japan, stored-up radioactive ash and dehydrated sludge from the sewage treatment process alone totaled 52,000 tones in mid-September, up 63 percent from levels at the end of July, data from the Transport Ministry showed.
The volume is still growing by about 360 tones a day.”
so that means there is about 63,000 tons and they say that they will have it under control by december!! so there will be another 30,000 tons by christmas…
2 years before emmissions stop! add another 130, 000 tons a year…maybe a reduction over time though!! wonder how many bequerals that is?? you know i hate zeroes!!
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Also, from water decontamination:
“4,700 drums of radioactive waste after three months of cesium decontamination”
http://enformable.com/2011/10/radioactive-waste-piles-up-to-10-billion-becquerels-per-liter-in-sludge-cannot-be-dealt-with-through-conventional-systems/
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And radioactive sewage sludge piling up:
http://fukushimanewsresearch.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/japan-unwanted-radioactive-sewage-sludge-piling-up/
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And radioactive dirt:
“City resorts to secret dumping to deal with piles of radioactive dirt”
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201108055290
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if any of you folks are redditors, please consider mosey-ing over onto , where the nuke fanboys are (unfortunately, with some success) putting forth the meme that the old radium bottles are the source of the hotspots in tokyo.
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/le3ek/tokyos_radiation_hot_spots_traced_back_to/c2ryhf6
thanks
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(trying again)
if any of you folks are redditors, please consider mosey-ing over onto , where the nuke fanboys are (unfortunately, with some success) putting forth the meme that the old radium bottles are the source of the hotspots in tokyo.
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/le3ek/tokyos_radiation_hot_spots_traced_back_to/c2ryhf6
thanks
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Radium in bottles WAS the source for one hot spot in Tokyo.
Of course this is only ONE out of many, many spots discovered.
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hot spots are everywhere, even beyond tokyo.
Radium was not the source for this hot spot.
Radium is an alpha emitter, blocked by air , paper, skin and GLASS-the vials holding the radium.
Simple indicators of this are the higher readings on the ground at that location.
Consider that if the readings on the street were so high, then the radium inside the house would be a fatal dose to approach.
Also, the response time by the government to this specific report of radioactivity was unprecedented during this crisis.They have NEVER gotten off their arse this fast before.
Seems to me, they will sacrifice all quality/quantity of life to keep their economic liveblood flowing.
Where is the samuri sword in all of this madness? When so many governing and buisiness bodies in japan DESPARATELY need to become aqainted with its buisiness end.
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a never-ending story!
is more and more spray until everything in the reactor burned out and washed away rest( tepco version off cold shut down
)
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If the cesium is there to stay then logic should dictate that the people should leave. I feel great sympathy for the people but they cannot sit there and wait for the government to pay for them relocation. They will be (likely already are) internally contaminated and become ill from it if they wait.
The people should all pack up their most valued items and just LEAVE. Leave and then find out what you can get in terms of support. Would you rather live in a radioactive fallout zone or be living in some community shelter far from the contamination? That should be an easy one to answer.
If this were Godzilla attacking Fukushima, the people would flee in terror but the radioactive fallout is imperceptible so people do not feel the threat. This is the real terror about the fallout. People must leave as this is worse than any giant lizard attacking your city. In such case you could hide, seek shelter and then come back to rebuild but this has essentially permanently destroyed some areas for the next 10′s of thousands of years. People must detach themselves from their love of the land and leave. I did it, I realize how emotionally difficult it is as I am battling the anxiety and depression constantly but at least we are as far as we can be from the contamination source for now.
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Leaving your land of birth is not easy even if you have a nice carrot winking at you from your dream destination.
Following this:
Making any decision in a state of depression is difficult: depression swallows energy and you need energy to make your brain work.
Brain work is necessary in order carefully and irrevocably to come to a decision to leave the land of your birth, be this your nation, your town, or your farm.
Can’t expect individuals to organize themselves in this state of mind.
And be in no doubt that the still honourable Japanese people are in large measure well aware of the pollution of their landscape.
The above however might explain why there appears so much inertia where we as onlookers would expect panic, wholesale evacuation without reference to the authorities.
Leadership.
This is where the inspiration and charisma of true leadership can make a difference. Sadly, the no longer honourable Japanese authorities seem to have discounted this possibility.
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I appreciate what you say, kintaman, since you were brave enough to do it yourself.
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The truly evil thing about this contamination is…that no one can ‘see’ it until the effects appear, and it is too late then. It is probably too late now, but I’d still recommend that they leave. didn’t Russia offer to take Japanese refugees?
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I am not aware of ANY country that has offered to accept refugees from Japan. I hope and pray those offers are forthcoming,…and fast.
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Accepting refugees would be admitting there was a real problem. That will not happen. If it were to people would start to flee from Tokyo and that would be the end of the Japanese economy and then as the dominoes fall, the end of the global economy. I do not doubt that the Japanese government is likely, to some degree, following orders from abroad being the weak leaders they are. They are owned.
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+1
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Speaking of the economy, I hope everyone is closing their major bank accounts…I plan to close mine this week. Not only will it undermine the bankers, there are also rumors of a bank run. I’d send links but don’t know how on my tablet. If a large bank run happens,it could cause all kinds of dominoes to fall…
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Hi westcoastgirl, I just read the Community Bank gives you 5$ for your account / month, instead of charging 5$!
I think that’s a great step forward that needs support!
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Bailing on the banks that enslave us- U go girl- Take ur money out of the top 5 banks today! Start small bank credit union account– Hands clapping loudly
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well…..there has been a type of offer, but its complicated
“At the end of last week, Medvedev said that in the wake of the problems Japan has been having with the tsunami and nuclear power plant, “we now ought to think about the use in the case of necessity perhaps of part of the labor potential of our neighbors especially in the under-populated regions of Siberia and the Far East”
http://www.utro.ru/articles/2011/03/18/963182.shtml
qoute from this article March 22, 2011
http://www.eurasiareview.com/22032011-medvedev%e2%80%99s-offer-to-resettle-japanese-angers-nationalists-analysis/
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the so said worldwide biggest colony of people from japan is near duesseldorf in germany and it counts round 6000 people.
they do love the ground they are born on it seems.
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hey for 2 of them i have a place in my home(Ger) ,
before voluntary!
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Good for you again Bleifrei! That is putting your money where your mouth is,…in other words,…you offer REAL help!
I love that! You and our xdrfox have opened up their hearts and homes,….I still offer to marry a Japanese man who may want to escape. It is all I can do. That is all we are asked to do.
You fine folks restore my faith in humanity!
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It comes across like Japanese are easily confused and indecisive people. Unable to grasp confidently what is Right and what has to be done and how to do it. I am starting to sense a wringing of hands even all the way over here.
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I read here last months,
and at Luke´s (cannonball)
believe we are approaching another media liberty.
I’m from the dark to help out
One more vote from me in public, and some of my friends that I needed to fight against the NEO’s
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I see “Go down with the ship” mentality,….even here I’m afraid. Not me,….I’m gonna go down ‘screaming and kicking’! Even though I am being shamed as being an ANGRY woman! Ohhhhh, hurt me!
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sorry luke not lukas
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My basic stance is, we are,and have been half evolved apes playing with serious toys.This was inevitable in due course or in the long/short run.I feel fortunate to be living in this era to witness my basic stance and premise of the beginning of the human extinction…its all so laughable because it was a given..hurry it up I say..I gots things to see.Some on here imagine they can save the situation..ha..ha..go for it.As said I got things to see..ohh maybe we all go subterranean..I will miss to see the mutants tho’ will they be cwawling on all fours??The Harry Potter thingie that loved the ring comes to mind.Game over y’all..embrace the misery..we are but the harbinger and witness’ to our stupidity..never doubted that for a minute.Funny I am not even sad..But mother earth will survive this…us …not so much.Cheers…my fellow apes.Wasn’t all so nice when it lasted??Y’all can die now i phuckin’ do not give a rats ass..truly..its done. so u know.bye bye.
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Sorcerer’s Apprentice.
These tales exist and are preserved for very good reasons.
Sadly, the clever clogs who rose to the top of the pile of meritocracy had too many snap put downs for the old folks who liked dishing out folk wisdom.
I like the idea that what rises to the top is not always cream, but sometimes like boiling washing what rises to the top is scum.
Why not: Scumocracy?
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NukeNe.ws – Reactor Shields, Fukushima Spewing, Radiation Sickness, Olympic Dam, Roxby Downs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-e8BhNfRHM
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fyi I did not partake of any nuclear energy..while it lasted.See I am African..we do not have nuclear reactors over here.You “civilized” asses..caused this..I hate it when anyone says..go figure..but let me break that rule..go figure..breaking the atom..with NO Kill switch..is/was a case of mortal suicide..if you did not know..to all of us.White civilized people..yuk..yuk..yuk.Do you feel hate for me yet???To thing I am not even close..to being that..I am zapped and I say phuck it.To the PTB,their GREED..etc..FIRE and over to the bunkers..u brainless ass wipes.
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Honestly – I guess a lot of African governments are just as corrupt (ore even more) than the ones of us “civilised white asses”.
Uranium mining is a big deal on the African continent, as far as I know. As is oil spilling in the Niger delta and letting Shell get away with it.
Everyone needs to sweep his own yard my friend.
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You pay them dictators.ssooo you can steal our resources soo you live your kinda life style.y’know 60% of the british wealth was derived from its colonise..such a small island..so much wealth..you are so f*ing ignorant..i do not know where to start educating your sorry ass…Uranium is mined in Australia and Canada too..
Shell in the Niger delta..hmmm..shell in whole African..right? why just mention oil? we got Tea, coffee, cocoa, diamond, you name it…y’all greedy bastards love em all…and we have them aaallll.Make love to ur husband tonight please…better still come to Africa for some bigger dick..trust me..its al about livin’ it up.We got dick and more resources…that a double whammpy..for ur sorry asses..and I aint trying to play nice.Hey look!!!! I gots dick!!!!u want??I show ur avator…I would love to hit that..trust me..compliment? But you got zero brains…
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You are obviously completely out of your mind. Reported your comment, hopefully Admin can do something about it.
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B&B, with respect.
As a first worlder and faux third worlder through family, culture, love, and commitment, I understand a little bit – probably more than you show here – how the relationship between 1W and 3W works.
While zapped expresses his/her views in outrageous and outraged language, it is only towards the sharp end of the spectrum of the complaints that the third world is at last beginning to express. 1W has raped and pillaged 3W for centuries, that much is true, and without sanction until recently, sadly also true.
But 3W has attained a standard of educational qualification in the subject of FirstWorldSpeak and has now the sophistication not only to argue its case but also to develop the thinking to back it up and to change its position.
The developing weakness of the 1W economies has also changed the picture. Not only has 3W the mental equipment to evade further bullying by 1W, it has also now got more ammunition: more and more as the dollar goes down (and the euro and the others with it).
Somebody from the first world needs more humility when challenged by a third worlder.
Not easy, but better.
Please take note.
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Misitu,
I have the utmost understanding for 3W countries / poeple to claim their rights. Really.
1W has put them in a bad position, I see that.
For my understanding this doesn’t give anyone who expects to be taken seriously the right to call others “brainless ass wipes”.
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My goodness… lol…B and B..were you discussing making love to your husband ..too.
This person is insane.
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i take that as a compliment…thank you very much..until now you thought we are taking all this sh!tt lying down..Not..so..phuck you and the horse you rode in on..report that!!..am sooo scared.Go touch ur self somewhere.
StillJill ..u used to like me?…u do not know me..up yours too.Now you know me..got rope? go hang.
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Whoever this person does open up a serious subject ..the exploitation of third world countries…
Would like to discuss…but busy wrestling with Mylar at the moment.
Please put up a little food ..folks..
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Misitu, see? THIS is where at least MY respect ends.
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off topic but thought this might say it all! i understand outrage!
peace….
“it is only towards the sharp end of the spectrum of the complaints that the third world is at last beginning to express”
EU, US Dumping Toxic Waste in Africa; Radioactive Materials Dumped on Somalia Coast, Nigerian and Haitian Beaches
“The worst examples of such dumping in the recent past, according to a report by the international environmental campaign group Greenpeace, is at the Somali port of Eel Ma’aan, north of Mogadishu.
Greenpeace is now calling on the United Nations to investigate the dumping of toxic and radioactive materials in Somalia.”
http://www.afroarticles.com/article-dashboard/Article/EU–US-Dumping-Toxic-Waste-in-Africa–Radioactive-Materials-Dumped-on-Somalia-Coast–Nigerian-and-Haitian-Beaches/210994
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Here..is another situation…no one wants to speak about.
Please.. no debate…it is what is is.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=HZ-20111017-32716-PSE
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@ B and B.. speaking of snow..(Tacoma is on another thread)…OT. My dad was stationed in Germany…guarding the Berlin Wall.
My mother’s favorite picture of him is…standing in a field…helmet in hand ..eating snow with the other.
Don’t eat the snow… B and B….
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While the points zapped makes are real points, and the language used outrageous and outraged, the personal attacks may have crossed a line.
My self defence teacher said: if unfortunate to be mugged, then hand over as demanded. But if all handed over and still threatened, this is not the same game: not theft but power. After which, you are entitled:no, obliged, to play the bigger power hand.
Having given zapped the time of day, and having seen accessions from the other side, it may be time to call “power” to replace “justice” as might have been.
I would begin to come down on the side of the name of the game being timewasting, and without naming the NIDF directly we do know where timewasters come from.
Africa suffers injustices, yes, at hands of first world, yes.
What Africa has suffered mirrors events in Japan and probably from the same prime cause, the institutionalised greed of the first world financial community.
If we cannot respond to zapped in these terms, and/or if zapped cannot accept this, then we need maybe to recategorize the conversation?
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I used to like you zapped. I’ll pray for you–that your anger find it’s correct target. We are not it my friend!
I own none of those things my friend,….I live on $803 a month,…own nada. Do you really want to lump ME in with all of the shit you hate? That would be a very stupid thing to do,….and you are far from stupid, just pissed. I get that,…but need to ‘check it before you wreck it’.
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I just spent 6 months in a non first world country. I am going back to live there.
Many people treated me with the utmost kindness and hospitality and made me feel less like a martian and more like a lost lamb returned to the fold.
Some people who knew nothing of me seemed resentful that I was sharing their space. Just something I was not quite prepared for but then resolved to live with.
Everyone has their anxieties, pressure, complaints. Not always or inevitably personal, but sometimes one can be in the wrong place.
First worlders have less of the anxiety – pressure – complaint than Third worlders.
It pays us, and pays them respect, to remember this.
Peace!
M.
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Sounds like someone ain’t getting any…just sayin…
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Africa Rising: Nigeria plans to build nuclear power plants
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/Africa-Monitor/2011/0920/Africa-Rising-Nigeria-plans-to-build-nuclear-power-plants
Nigeria seeks IAEA help for nuclear power plants
http://bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/npps/co-operation/37200
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Not good, B&B.
The corruption of “third world” nations arises in large part from the greed and easy cash of agents of the “first world”.
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Misitu, I agree. You are right.
It is a complex matter to discuss, and I am very far from thinking Africa’s problem is “their” problem and “we” had nothing to do with it.
Actually, I’m very engaged in the processus of “global living” and am reducing my lifestyle drastically, with the goal not to live off more than my fair 1/7.2 billion share of the world’s resources (which is not easy to achieve in Europe, but I’m seriously working on it).
I’m just getting really pissed when somebody starts fingerpointing in such an impolite manner.
*peace
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Crossed In The Post.
Thanks for your reply which appeared as I was amplifying mine of earlier.
Peace.
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how should i be polite when you effin us over??? you with nukes have sealed our fate..politely!!! “in a very civilized way”..u like that? better?? u tell me..
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zapped, why do tar everybody with the same brush? Are you blaming the poor in the first world countries too? What about the ghettoes, which are as bad as anything in the third world? Did the desperately poor people that live there cause this? Did the poor in Appalachia, who are getting their land blown to smithereens by strip mining, cause this?
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Africa turns resolutely towards nuclear energy
February, 1 st 2011
http://www.afriqueavenir.org/en/2011/02/01/africa-turns-resolutely-towards-nuclear-energy/
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mother langh interference alert…to think i am not even close.to being that….sssssshhhh..over and out.
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“It takes 30 years for caesium 137 to decay by half.” – True
However, more importantly…
“It takes 300 years for caesium to decay to a point where it is no longer HAZARDOUS to life” – True and the most relevant aspect.
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10 half lives represents (1/2)^10 or 1/1024.
General info. “por si acaso”
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Isaiah 55:vs 8..is all you need to now from zapped…
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@Bobby1..I can NOT be that careless…bobby1..let me play this role for now.I have been to those places u mentioned all the way up..the Appalachia,West VA..loved it.I did not know the poverty @ almost 100k a yr earning..trust me..its now zero 4 last 4 years..by choice I made the sacrifice to NOT pay the empire in taxes…thats 4 years ago.I am zapped Network Engineer extra-ordinare..retired.Mainframe issues, routers and switches..network hubs..I was good like that and I left that..for life in africa..un-employment..At 31 yrs I had achieved..at 31 it was 9!!..had 2 houses and a bma..n lexus..i gave it up..if the stupid merkins were dying…it broke me..and the 1.4m iraqis…ok let me never pay taxes..the least i could do.ok I was working for wallstreet and my guys now earn at least 250..it sucks to be me.n’way f**k u all…arm chair, keyboard “activist” go feed ur family irradiated something..water?? u r truly effed..but u know that..a brave new world!!!!sigh..
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Who Rule Barter Town?
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zapped
judt because you went bankrupt doesnt mean you have to take your frustration and anger out here, just in case you dont know, this is the fault of the japanese, mainly, its a nuclear issue, we are not japanese, and we are ont the elite in charge of these nukes, we are the ones against it basicly and if we had our way there wouldnt be any around, but fukushima has already made a permanent presence on this planet and its too late now yet i open a newspaper and i might read about new nuke plants going up, what a joke
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zapped
just because you went bankrupt doesnt mean you have to take your frustration and anger out here, just in case you dont know, this is the fault of the japanese, mainly, its a nuclear issue, the majority of us are not japanese, and we are not the elite in charge of these nukes, we are the ones against it, basicly, and if we had our way there wouldnt be any nuke plants around, but fukushima has already made a permanent presence on this planet and its too late now yet i open a newspaper and i might read about new nuke plants going up, what a joke
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