Japan Times: “Deadly” radiation levels detected outside Fukushima containment vessel — “Details behind situation are unknown” — Officials unable to grasp location of melted nuclear fuel — “Impossible” to plan for decommissioning

Published: October 30th, 2015 at 5:21 pm ET
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Jiji Press, Oct 29, 2015: 9.4 Sieverts Detected outside Fukushima Reactor Containment Vessel – [TEPCO] said Thursday that radiation levels of up to 9.4 sieverts per hour have been detected outside a reactor containment vessel… People exposed to the maximum radiation dose for some 45 minutes will die. TEPCO expects decontamination work to take at least one month. Checks conducted on Sept. 4-25 found the extremely high radiation levels at a cell which accommodates a pipe connected to the containment vessel of the No. 2 reactor…

Japan Times (via Jiji), Oct 30, 2015 (emphasis added): Deadly 9.4 sieverts detected outside Fukushima reactor 2 containment vessel; checks stop… Details behind the situation are unknown, according to the company. Tepco planned to start in August to check the inside of the containment vessel by using a remote-controlled robot but high radiation levels have stalled the examination. Extremely high radiation levels and the inability to grasp the details about melted nuclear fuel make it impossible for the utility to chart the course of its planned decommissioning of the reactors at the plant.

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709 comments to Japan Times: “Deadly” radiation levels detected outside Fukushima containment vessel — “Details behind situation are unknown” — Officials unable to grasp location of melted nuclear fuel — “Impossible” to plan for decommissioning

    • "The neoconservatives should be quickly rounded up, arrested, tried, convicted, and executed for their massive crimes before they destroy the world."

      Yup, can't disagree with that one.

      Problem is (apart from the fact that American citizens are in a coma) is that the American government are now committing ground troops in Syria, against international law, and are busy ramping-up world war 3.

      I can only hope that one day all of these feckers will be put on trial.

    • jamesofthecommons

      I agree with most of what Roberts has to say; but his portrayal of Reagan as some sort of humane political hero, is not how I remember the Reagan era at all. Then again I was just a lad back then, and now that I am an old nearly senile geyzer, maybe I am wrong. Hardly matters now anyway. What does matter, is that the neocons are indeed pushing us ever closer to nuclear annhilation. If we are going to prevent the neocons from getting the world destroyed, we had better start making politics the very center of our lives, and not just something we do on a few election days, in a voting booth. We need to organize protests, strikes, sit ins and stand ups, so that our voices are not only heard, but heard around the world, by other people who care to save humanity and the planet.

  • Important article mod:

    This information pertains to this article. It is misleading. As I initially thought…

    This article is in respect to the Number 1 Reactor. Not the #2 reactor.
    Why the article was entered in Incorrectly? Maybe a mistake by admin. Here is the full article by Japan times (whom I am sure has the correct information).

    So this again confirms beyond a doubt, that R1. Is a lost cause…
    Article:
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/04/13/national/radiation-measured-at-deadly-9-7-sieverts-in-fukushima-reactor/#.VjadpberS02

  • This is a one of a kind statement about a solution to radioactive contamination.

    The catch is the source is Dr. Steven Greer (from siriusdisclosure.com) who gives talks about how US military have had relationships/knowledge of ETs for a long time.
    He says "charged clusters" can neutralize radioactive waste.
    At 2:23:30 mark in this video.
    http://youtu.be/_-TUsaQw9xY?t=2h23m30s

    He says that and other good science discoveries come from reverse engineering shot down UFOs.
    Just putting it out there for anyone who wants to go down that road.

  • GOM GOM

    Strange luminous orbs seen in the sky during Fukushima earthquake. Also in China and Italy before quakes. US scientists..? Ball lightening?

    Japanese news vid at night during quake (and in slow motion)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y196J86YrRU&sns=em

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26462348

  • GOM GOM

    TG
    Thanks. Had to look it up. Forum appears white screen on my phone. Others said same issue few days ago.

    • I noticed that when using my telephone also. The wordpress site might not be coded correctly for mobile. :/

      I am pretty into solar / eq / physics. As I notice you are too:)
      Just wanted to say thanks for all the links:)

  • GOM GOM

    60 days after Fukushima, Ft. Worth, Texas explodes. Orbs, lights, explosions..
    (1.5 million views) A must see.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYCHBI66izs&sns=em

  • GOM GOM

    The myth of decommissioning a melting nuclear reactor..or 2..or 3.

    1.>There would have to be a giant leap in technology.

    2.>Fukushima is melting down daily, each reactor has 90 tons of uranium.

    The term "decommissioning" means all cleanup of radioactivity and progressive dismantling of the plant. Most plants that have been decommissioned had already benn shut down for 2-3years and had cooled. There are three options for decommissioning:

    1. Immediate dismantling

    2. Safe enclosure

    3. Entombment

    Procedures are set by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The plant's license must be terminated. The Department Of Energy must remove any on-site stored fuel. Multi-reactor sites must be decommissioned in sequence.

    Cost. (example)
    Japan's Tokai 1 reactor:
    Dismantling: 38 billion
    Waste treatment: 58 billion
    Graphite moderator significantly rises costs

    All the information you will ever need is in this link. All reactors of the world including Fukushima. All decommissioning processes.

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-wastes/decommissioning-nuclear-facilities/

  • Explosion hits Doel Nuclear Power Station, Belgium
    http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2015/11/01/explosion-hits-doel-nuclear-power-station-belgium

    Doel Nuclear Power Station in northern Belgium was hit by an explosion around midnight UTC on November 1, 2015 (23:00 local time on October 31) which caused a fire in its Doel 1 nuclear reactor.

  • invisible ELEphant in the room

    I had a brutal epiphany today:

    Liars WANT lies.

    I think you reach a point after you've been lying to everyone for too long where truth means nothing to you anymore. I believe that is usually still true even if it means losing your life. I think humanity as a whole may have reached that point.

    How else can anyone rationalize or explain the Fukushima radiation = bananas argument having ANY adherents in the entire world?

    They must be people that WANT lies. That's my conclusion anyway.

    "Tell me, tell me, tell me lies
    Tell me lies
    Tell me sweet little lies
    (Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
    Oh, no, no you can't disguise
    (You can't disguise, no you can't disguise)
    Tell me lies
    Tell me sweet little lies"

    Fleetwood Mac ‎- Little Lies
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5HkuhSEnPQ

    If that's where humanity as a whole is at, then all of our posts here, all of our efforts to wake people up…

    They mean nothing in the big picture.

    People can only save themselves I suppose.

  • VyseLegendaire VyseLegendaire

    "Extremely high radiation levels and the inability to grasp the details about melted nuclear fuel make it impossible for the utility to chart the course of its planned decommissioning of the reactors at the plant."

    Welcome to 2011.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Certainly one of the greatest ever!

  • Gasser Gasser

    Insane that tune

    ~On the first day of Fukushima's meltdown, it gave to me….Reactors radiation from three.

    ~
On the second day of Fukushima's fallout, it gave to me…two contaminated gloves
    
and, Reactors radiation from three.

    ~On the third day of Fukushima, it gave to me…three Corium meltdowns,
two burning fuel pools, and Reactors radiation from three.

    ~On the fourth day of Fukushima, TEPCO gave to me….
many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns,
two burning fuel pools, and Reactor radiation from three.

    ~ On the fifth day of Fukushima the news Media gave to me, five hundred bullshit stories….many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns, two burning fuel pools,
    and Reactors radiation from three.

    ~
On the sixth day of Fukushima, it gave to me….six million geese not laying, five hundred bullshit stories, many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns, two
    burning fuel pools,
    and Reactors radiation from three.


    ~
On the seventh day of Fukushima, it gave to me….seventy quadrillion Actinides a swarming, six million geese not laying, five hundred bullshit stories, many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns, two burning fuel pools,
    and Reactors radiation from three.

    
~
On the eighth day of Fukushima, it gave to me….eight water tanks leaking, seventy quadrillion Actinides a swarming, six million geese not laying, five hundred bullshit stories, many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns, two burning fuel pools,
    and Reactors radiation from…

    • Gasser Gasser

      [Con't]

      ~
On the ninth day of Fukushima, it gave to me….nine Pro Nuke Shiller's, eight water tanks leaking, seventy quadrillion Actinides a swarming, six million geese not laying, five hundred bullshit stories, many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns, two burning fuel pools,
      and Reactors radiation from three.

      ~
On the tenth day of Fukushima's plume, it gave to me….ten Sievert Gamma ray beams, nine Pro Nuke Shiller's, eight water tanks leaking, seventy quadrillion Actinides a swarming, six million geese not laying, five hundred bullshit stories, many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns, two burning fuel pools,
      and Reactors radiation from three.

      ~
On the eleventh day of Fukushima, it gave to me….eleven water pipes popping, ten Sievert Gamma ray beams, nine Pro Nuke Shiller's, eighty water tanks leaking, seventy quadrillion Actinides a swarming, six million geese not laying, five hundred bullshit stories, many lying Scientist, three Corium meltdowns, two burning fuel pools,
      and Reactors radiation from three.
      [Cont}

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Well, I got a job washing dishes for three or four hours a day. It should take at least a month to buy a new house and a Ferrari. And with a big fat welfare check, I know it's possible to have a renaissance come December.

    Thanks Tepco, for being you. You set the standard looking forward. With my first thirty bucks, I will make an ice cube. That should hold back the landlord, and give me something to eat.

    Now, all I need is a good lie to tell mom.

  • Gasser Gasser

    [Con't]
    
On the twelfth day of Christmas Japan is giving to us….twelve more months to live, unrepairable popped water pipes ….ten thousand Sievert Gamma rays bursting, ninety Pro Nuke Shiller's, eight hundred water tanks leaking, seventy hundred and seventy million quadrillion Actinides a swarming, sixty million geese all dying, five hundred thousand bullshit stories, stupefied lying Scientist, four Corium meltdowns, two burning fuel pools, and Reactor radiation in your pee.

    ~Gasser Classic~

    This Xmass song is to early, but also to late

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Please don't let us all get cancer, and die. Please forgive me my sins. Please help, the nuclear industry is trying to kill every body. Amen.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    The thing that amazes me the most about this thread is this:
    Here we are, 4 1/2 years + after this calamity began,
    And Tepco issues excuses why it continues to be unable to even take a look inside a containment vessel.

    Tepco has not begun to decommission Units1-3.
    Tepco has not located even one of the missing cores.
    Tepco has now put off even taking a look-see inside a containment.

    This is truly amazing to me.
    WTF, Tepco?

    Where is the damn corium? 🙁

    • They also never offloaded Daiichi-4 spent-fuel pool.
      It offloaded itself during the (at least) 2 fires and (at least) one explosion. Such a thing would have been impossible, given that it blew up.
      They did, however, offload fuel from Daini-4 spent-fuel pool. And this is a fact.

  • Will Arizona quakes affect WIPP??

    Three small earthquakes rattled parts of central Arizona and were felt in the Phoenix area. There were no immediate reports of injury or major damage.

    The U.S. Geological Survey said a magnitude 4.1 temblor struck at 11:29 p.m. Sunday, followed by a 4.0 quake about 20 minutes later. A smaller, magnitude-3.2 quake, hit at 9 p.m.

    The USGS said all the quakes ranged from 3-6 miles in depth and were centered near Black Canyon City, about 45 miles north of Phoenix.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/central-arizona-hit-small-earthquakes-34906822

  • Insight

    This article was from 2007. Israel has developed a new technology that is supposed to safely dispose of radioactive waste.

    The system was developed by Environmental Energy Resources (EER), an Israeli company that helped clean up after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster, and is based on plasma gasification melting (PMG) technology. The toxic waste is turned into a highly ionized gas, broken down, solidified, melted and vitrified – forming a solid glassy environmentally benign material when cooled.

    The process was developed together with scientists from Haifa’s Technion and the Russian research institute of Kurchatov in Moscow. According to EER, the facility turns radioactive medical and municipal waste into harmless solid substances at a low level of radiation, which leaves no pollution in the soil or water – both above and below ground.

    EER says the process is economically and environmentally superior to all other waste disposal methods such as landfill and incineration, as well as other non-incineration thermal treatments.

    The end products of the process can be used to power generators and in the construction industry as non-leeching molds to form tiles and blocks.

    • cough, cough, and there is some bull that probably got loose from the pasture…

      Can someone please xplain how this positive transmutation process works, because that is what they are claiming…

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

      They were building a vitrification plant at Hanford Reservtions in Wahsington State. It has never been operational.

      Using uranium spent fuel for nuclear energy isn't going to work either. Use of depleted uranium as weapons just completely destroys and results in terrible birth defects.

      • Insight

        1 Existing facilities 1.1 National Cheng Kung University – Tainan City, Taiwan (PEAT International)
        1.2 Yoshii, Utashinai, and Mihama-Mikata, Japan (Hitachi Metals Ltd.)
        1.3 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (Plasco Energy Group Inc.)
        1.4 Swindon, Wiltshire, England, UK, (Advanced Plasma Power)
        1.5 Vero Beach, Florida, USA (INEOS Bio)
        1.6 USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) Supercarrier – US Navy (PyroGenesis Canada Inc.)
        1.7 Pune, Maharashtra, India (Maharashtra Enviro Power Limited)
        1.8 Wuhan, China (Wuhan Kaidi/Alter NRG)

        2 Planned facilities 2.1 Energy Park Peterborough, England, UK (Tetronics)
        2.2 Tees Valley Renewable Energy Center (Air Products/AlterNRG)
        2.3 East Luther / Grand Valley, Ontario, Canada (Navitus Plasma Inc)
        2.4 Hirwaun, Wales, UK (EnviroParks Limited)
        2.5 ‘Re-invent the Toilet’

        3 Mothballed Projects 3.1 Hurlburt Field, Florida, USA (PyroGenesis Canada Inc.)
        3.2 St. Lucie County, Florida, USA (GeoPlasma)
        3.3 Tallahassee, Florida, USA (Green Power Systems)
        3.4 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada (Plasco Energy Group Inc.)
        3.5 Port Hope, Ontario, Canada (Sunbay Energy Corporation)
        3.6 Jackson, Georgia, USA (PR Power Company)
        3.7 Red Deer, Alberta, Canada (Plasco Energy Group Inc.)
        3.8 Beijing, China (Plasco Energy Group Inc.)
        3.9 Alcalá de Henares, Madrid, Spain (Fomento de Construcciones y Contratas)

          • Insight

            On topic, those are Plasma Gasification plants that generate electricity from waste. The main reason Nuclear plants are built is low cost electricity. A Plasma Gasification plant can generate electricity from city garbage and generate a profit to the city at the same time!
            Once established they run on the power they generate from waste.
            Landfills would be eliminated. The need for nuclear power would be eliminated. In truth, a nuclear plant costs more to build, run and decommission than a Plasma Gasification plant. Estimated Cost of Decommissioning a nuclear plant:
            Per plant $300 million to $500 million—includes estimated radiological, used fuel ($100 million) and site restoration costs (about $300 million).
            Estimated cost of building a plasma gasification plant is 300 million dollars while a nuclear plant is around 7 billion dollars. Plasma Gasification is CLEAN energy and it cleans the environment by using landfill waste!
            So far as I know, plasma gasification plants are not commercially available for investment purposes so they are lacking funding to expand. With banks making huge profits from nuclear projects they are not interested in any technology that will remove their cash income.
            The government supplies nuclear subsidies, including loan guarantees, tax credits, and other forms of public support. And these subsidies have not been small, by some estimates they have cost taxpayers more than the market value of the
            power they helped generate

    • That still does not touch on processing nuclear waste. These facilities are all about plasma processing regular garbage.

      Notice that there are huge smoke stacks on the garbage plasma processing facility, and they admit releasing carbon monoxide.

      If you burn nuclear waste, what comes out of the stack?

      Since there is no operating transmutation plasma facility processing nuclear waste, so far at least, it is a good theory, but there is nothing to show for it. yet.

      • Insight

        Hence the first post, Israel and Russia claim to have developed a method of safely disposing the NUCLEAR waste via plasma gasification.
        Once an atom is heated above its ionization energy, its electrons are stripped away, leaving just the bare nucleus: the ion. The result is a hot cloud of ions and the electrons formerly attached to them. This cloud is known as a plasma. Because the charges are separated, plasmas are electrically conductive and magnetically controllable.
        What comes out of a Plasma Gasification stack is not nuclear radiation and nuclear fission is not possible once the atom is stripped in this method. These plants must meet strict emission standards, including those on nitrogen oxides (NOx), sulphur dioxide (SO2), heavy metals and dioxins. Plasma processing of waste is ecologically clean. The lack of oxygen prevents the formation of many toxic materials. The high temperatures in a reactor also prevent the main components of the gas from forming toxic compounds such as furans, dioxins, nitrogen oxides, or sulfur dioxide. Water filtration removes ash and gaseous pollutants.
        The production of ecologically clean synthetic gas is the standard goal. The gas product contains no phenols or complex hydrocarbons however circulating water from filtering systems is toxic. The water removes toxins (poisons) and the hazardous substances which must be cleaned. So if the strict emission standards are followed then they must have a way to clean the water of toxins.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Great insight! Thanks for the info.. 🙂

          • Insight

            Wish more people knew about and appreciated this Plasma Gasification technology, obewan. It is safe, clean and cheap energy that is a true solution for the earths future!
            People do not need Nuclear energy plants, they NEED Plasma Gasification plants!

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Certainly a solution for the massive amount of garbage and waste we humans have created in the last 200 years.

              Anything is better than burying it for future generations to have to deal with.

              Oh that is exactly what we are doing with this current Nuclear Fiasco!

              Nobody notices and nobody cares…you do it seems..good for you! 🙂

      • Insight

        Carbon monoxide is both short-lived in the atmosphere (on average about two months)and it is eventually oxidized to carbon dioxide which is necessary for plant photosynthesis. Carbon monoxide is not good but is much better by product than nuclear contamination!
        Carbon monoxide is a temporary atmospheric pollutant in some urban areas, chiefly from the exhaust of internal combustion engines (including vehicles, portable and back-up generators, lawn mowers, power washers, gas stoves etc.), but also from incomplete combustion of various other fuels (including wood, coal, charcoal, oil, paraffin, propane, natural gas, and trash). Far more carbon monoxide is produced from volcanoes and forest fires than would ever be produced by plasma processing of waste.

        • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Please please let this be real..ok , i need to dust of the old pitchfork for those individuals and their mechanismes standing in the way of this technollogy..

          • Insight

            It is real! It is the solution to the horrible pollution of plastics as well. Plastics just sit in landfills and do not biodegrade. But in the ocean, which is where a lot of discarded grocery bags, soft drink bottles and six-pack rings end up, plastic is bathed in as much light as water. Light does degrade plastic. Researchers from Nihon University in Chiba, Japan, found that plastic in warm ocean water can degrade in as little as a year. This doesn't sound so bad until you realize those small bits of plastic are toxic chemicals such as bisphenol A (BPA) and PS oligomer. These end up in the guts of animals or wash up on shorelines, where humans are most likely to come into direct contact with the toxins. Current plastic grocery bags. if exposed to ultra violet light, these bags have been estimated to break down in as little as 500 years with a conservative average time of 1000 years. If there is no exposure to a light source, say at the bottom of a landfill, the plastic may remain intact indefinitely. Plasma Gasification breaks up plastic on an atomic level causing most of it to just disappear. Please help spread the word about this important technology. It is not just landfill "burning" as some may think. It processes the waste into usable clean gas and electricity while destroying many of the inherent toxins.

  • Leland Leland

    Ken Buesseler,from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution a marine chemist at WHOI who has been measuring radioactivity in Pacific seawater since 2011, says it’s ok its like a banana or a potato chip
    and harmless he claims natural radiation is far more deadly than any Fukushima Radiation

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Video of interior of Reactor 4, shot in May of 2012, as I recollect.

    http://youtu.be/5qV_SH42ijg

    Any thoughts about why Tepco would want to shoot video of an empty reactor interior? 😉

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Great video showing heat signatures after Equipment Pool of Unit 4 had melted down.
      Corium from EP of Unit 4 exited the North Wall, and came to rest on vent pipe.
      Tepco is silent about melted Pu Fuel in EP of Unit 4, since it is illegal to use.
      https://youtu.be/FYp5w_1wcHM

      • freebywill

        If a blob of radioactive material melted outside containment, where is the heat sig for it ?

        and if the temps we see are moderated by water, would the blob out the window wash out the image with the next color up, white ?

        is it possible the infra red pics have been tampered with ?

        as far as the heat sigs from the PCV wouldn't that be normal, iirc there are approx 800 fuel assemblies and during a refueling run they typically only change out about 1/3.

        even if they did remove the full core the RPV within the PCV might still be hot, I guess it would depend on how long the core has been out of the RPV.

        the red inside the PCV s/b the reactor vessel itself which is hot so it would be normal for it to show a higher temp.

        if it was a rad hot blob, and the images have been fixed, wouldn't the area be ridiculously rad hot to even approach, how would they get rid of it.

        and yes I have seen the pics of the blob out the window, something melted for sure, just wonder why there is no heat sig.

        • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

          Freebywill:
          Better pictures of unit 4 north wall corium.
          Note the zoom picture of initial outflow of gold-colored corium, on March 15.
          Which turns black on the vent pipe by March 20.
          https://youtu.be/i18rzG31B9M

          My take is that Tepco was loading experimental reprocessed Plutonium fuel into the reactor on 3/11.
          So the cask of Pu was opened in the Equipment Pool at the time of the quake.
          Some of it was inside the reactor, which shows burn marks in the video.
          All the Pu fuel started to burn, both in the EP and in the RPV.
          So, without power, there was nothing the workers could do, but to run.

          Tepco had no permissions or licenses.
          Pu fuel was all hush, hush.
          Nobody even knew they had it.
          It was to be mixed with the MOX fuel in the rack in the SFP of Unit 4.
          All, illegally.

          Unit 4 shut down in November, 2010, for replacement of the reactor shroud.
          The hot load was moved into the SFP.
          An auxiliary pump system was installed to keep the hot load cool.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              how did the corium get from the equipment pool to the blasted out panel, some 40 feet to the west? How did it leave the pool able to hold water? How did it blast the panel out and do this without destroying the beige boxy structure immediately to the west? If its so easy to cut and pick up corium, why dont they do this at three mile island, Chernobyl and the other reactors at Fukushima?

          • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

            As to your heat signature questions,
            I take the heat signature shots to be what they seem.
            There is plenty of heat, seen in the EP, in the RPV, and even from the floor below the EP, seen through a hole in the floor.
            My take is that it is a property of Reprocessed Pu Fuel that it burns hot and fast, leaving only the cool ash behind.
            The bad part of this is the big cloud of this super deadly plutonium ash, now circling the Earth every 40 days.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            If that stuff hanging out the north wall of Unit4 is corium, it certainly bodes well for cleaning up the other corium from the other reactors. We see it solidified and cooled within hours and was cleaned up by remote cutters and cranes. Its a piece of cake! On the other hand, maybe its not corium.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              The pool walls are constructed of reinforced concrete typically having a thickness between 4 and 8 feet . The pools contain a ¼– to ½–inch-thick stainless steel liner,

              The big pipe is about 8 ft in diameter. The width of the panel is about 25 ft. Calculate volume of corium;

              It appears to me that the slump of unknown material could easily fill that pipe over the 25 ft width. Theres stuff below the pipe, and there is also an unknown quantity still inside the building, its not all outside. So I calculate 1256 cubic feet. Now what is the density of corium …say 500 lb/ft^3. Thats 628,000 lb of corium. 3000 tons. That should equal more than 1000 assemblies. This is for all practical purposes the entire quantity of fuel from the spent fuel pool.

              The temperature of corium can be as high as 2800 °C in the first hours after the meltdown (5000 deg F, about half the temperature of the suns surface)
              The oxide phase, in which the nonvolatile fission products are concentrated, can stabilize at temperatures of 1300–1500 °C ( 2500 deg F) for a considerable period of time. You can imagine it; that mass is equal to about 180 automobiles melted to extraordinary temps…thats going to hold some heat.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                So the consistent theory around here is that the corium melted through 1/2 inch stainless and 4 feet of concrete, dropped 15 to the floor below, and instead of melting downward, it rolled 40 to 50 feet to the west before blasting out the 25 foot panel (not damaging the beige box structure next to it) at which point it cooled quickly, not steaming away on the concrete or leaving burn marks, not melting through the relatively thin air duct tube it fell on. This incredible melt sequence left the equipment pool capable of holding water…and the inside of the building non radioactive enough to allow guys to reinforce the SFP.

                Then it was easily removed with cutting wheels and cranes. Then it was on to 100% safe removal of the Spent fuel. Im open minded, but doesnt that seem like a stretch? 600,000 lb of mox corium…not the monster we imagined it to be

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                sorry, 300 tons, I can hardly see my slide rule anymore

          • Philip, how can this be corium> Was Reactor-4 not empty of fuel prior to this? Is Livingston calling spent-fuel, "corium"? What is being called, "a golden molten mass", has not been proven to be molten, at all. It simply makes no sense for it to be a corium. In fact, it looks like a distant photo of the highly twisted bridge which landed far from its initial post, after unit-4's SFP blew.
            I am all for alerting people about the unit-4 SHAM (and Tepco and NRC and NRA, IAEA, absolutely have made up a whopper, there.) But, I believe it is extremely important that we provide information that is as accurate as is possible. In my opinion, Livingston is more than just a little bit confused.
            I wonder if he has changed his opinion as of yet? I know I have since I initially watched his video. For this reason, "corium spilling out of the side of unit-four reactor building..", makes not a lick of sense. It is, especially, too high up off of the ground for it to be a sensible idea.
            Or, explain to me why it could possibly be a verifiable fact.

            • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

              AnneBeck,
              CodeShutdown,
              Let's just follow the evidence on this.
              Photographs can tell us the story.
              Hydrogen explosion blew the roof off.
              Heat slumped top panels of the north wall inwards.
              Reports of fires in Unit 4.
              Heat signatures.
              Panel missing on north wall.
              Golden mass flowing from this missing panel.
              Mass coming to rest on pipe.
              Photos of construction of crane support structure.
              Hundreds of pictures inside crane support structure, and of defueling of SFP.
              Just follow the evidence.
              What happened, happened. 🙂
              Just following the evidence.

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                PhilipUpNorth…I dont know what to say after having written so much. How bout this; no way man.

                The building didnt slump from heat as per Troys analysis. The building blew up, the structure was damaged by explosive forces, not melting.

                Photos only tell the story if properly interpreted. There is no heat signature of the slump and blast out the north wall. Panel is not missing, its laying 50 feet to the north. There arent hundreds of pictures showing the defueling, just some questionable ones.

                How did the mox get from the eqpt pool to the blown panel? Why didnt it melt straight down instead of going sideways 50 ft? Why didnt it leave a hole in the pool? Why didnt it melt the white or silver curved chunks which are all through it? How could it cool so fast? The SFP and unit three are steaming away but theres no evidence of heat from the mystery stuff. Is mox corium easier to pick up than other corium? If the evidence is so clear, why not answer the above? Troy gave it a shot but his analysis skills and those who follow his theory are not good.

                Did you read the three posts starting here? http://enenews.com/japan-times-deadly-94-sieverts-detected-fukushima-containment-vessel-details-behind-situation-unknown-officials-unable-grasp-location-melted-nuclear-fuel-impossible-plan-decommissioning/comment-page-3#comment-718933

              • Silverlok Silverlok

                When this ( what the hell happened at 4 ) discussion was burning brightly on ats back in 2011, a couple of (military) explosives experts pointed fingers directly at the type of destruction at four; saying certain elements ( like the sw ground level truck loading and transfer corridor) showed evidence of an over pressure wave, but the upper elements of the building were not consistent with pressure/over-pressure waves and had to originate from another source.

                The thermal image heat signatures inside the core ( and steam locations at four ) and torus area mean something very hot was either in there or found a way in there …
                the existence of fuel in the ep explains many many things,
                the most important being TEPCO'S deafening silence on what happened , exactly, at four.

                to code and others the square to cube problem comes into play when considering any heat transfer mechanism, basically put: surface area ( contact) will determine total heat transfer capacity regardless of an objects volume.
                also as 'blobs' ( chakotay called leaks from pools poolium to differentiate their characteristics from corium )move out of containment they acquire many many components ( alumina, iron, silicates ) from the structure that radically alter fissionability , hence heat production, hence environmental response to the difference between liquid ( water ) and air interactions…

                • Silverlok Silverlok

                  …water has an insanely high heat density ( so it will show an underwater mass more readily than an air exposed mass at the same temperature ( the air transports the heat through convection , the water only through flow; no flow = high heat retention ) add that to the cube to square issue of expanding poolium and not fissioning materials absorption and the gold black ooze out the north wall fits the facts better than the ' no other explanation ' scenarios for it's existence.

                  A lifetime of building and deconstruction have me firmly believing the upper portion of the building at four sufferd more from ( super intense ) heat destruction than the explosive destructions ( explosions happened , but those steel roof support beams did not distort from pressure or over pressure waves).

                  about how the 'poolium ' moved side ways from a possible ep breach: the outer containment is shaped like a giant ( six story ) light bulb turned upside down made of stainless steel and filled with water…if the ep breached ( assuming it had rods ) it would have drained "straight" down onto a surface of ( internally ) water cooled metal at an interaction angle of almost 45 degrees, given that and the NW orientation of the elevator/'train' used to support the tranfere of fuel from the SPF to the EP one would image the resultant leakage to leave at exact the place pictured.

                  Oh let's not forget the black ooze that came out the South wall near the east corner.

              • Golden mass? I don't believe that was a mass, at all. I believe this photo was taken during one of the (at least) two zirc-fires in the fuel-pool.., or of the fuel pool.
                The remainder does not fit what I understand about what happened and what could have happened.
                Livingston's hypothesis does not match a meltdown, at all. One reason? Meltdowns happen in cores, not in fuel pools. And the rest follows that logic.

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        It seems like the security camera internal shot before the explosion shows the yellow cap on the wrong side of the building. There is one IR shot…the zoomed out pic, which clearly shows the melted or slumped out material as a dark image…absolutely cool. This is the best IR shot of the blob I have seen. It certainly doesnt support the corium blob theory

        • Silverlok Silverlok

          you should acquire the IR images if you do not already have them and examine how the range ( key ) differs from shot to shot.

          they are almost always shot 'off angle' ( not straight down ) and from one photo to the next in the same series have MASSIVE differences in the thermal range ( key) coloration ( if you have never used Thermal imagers the range setting define the data set as either apple or orange ( so to speak )or any range in between and they cannot be compared directly unless the range is set the same for both or adjust to be the same for both )

          The thermals that were released by Tepco ( those most came from sats and drones not owned or operated by Tepco ) did not in any way have a consistent set of ranges… ( i.e. the were doing the tepco shuffle : here is some non-standardized data now try and catch us obfuscating if you can )

        • Bet they were storing honey barrels in there, and they just broke open, then the flies were drawn to the honey and got stuck, which turned it black?

          COde, you are ignoring the multiple pictures of corium as a hot golden honey colored flow and then later turning black.

          Could your claim that it was 'something else' be an attempt at minimizing what happened at unit four, but for what reason?

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Dr G, "hot golden honey colored flow" is your imagination. Two people looking at the same photo seeing different things. To me it does not look hot and there are no IR photos showing heat. Flowing is not accurate either. There is an explosive blast trail that I mentioned too many times to count. There are shreds of gold colored material with circular silver or white material. I dont see a molted flow as your brain interprets the image. There are so many things you and others will not consider or comment on, its…well its weird. How did the material get there? Why isnt it steaming, how can you pick it up? Why did it blow a 25 ft hole with directional ballistics? Why does the pool hold water? Why would it cool so quickly? Why would they attempt to cool everything but this "corium" with water? With so much MOX corium on the loose inside the building, how did it leave the place non radioactive enough for manual labor, shoring the SFP? Did the building explode before the corium reached this unlikely location, whereupon it exploded directionally, sideways, or what? The beige box structure, what is it and why wasnt it damaged?

            Instead of sarcasm and empty, unconsidered assumptions, why not think it over and answer the above questions? I have to admit to a little irritation. I have looked and pondered. Have you, or are you just following the Troy theory blindly without consideration of facts? You write articles on it.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Also, if you have read the many many posts I have made on this subject you wouldnt think of saying I am trying to minimize what happened at unit 4. I find your accusation a disappointment.

              Again I reiterate so there is no ambiguity; TEPCO and others on this forum claim 100% success in safe spent fuel removal. Stohls analysis showed major radiation release from Unit 4. The building has exploded! There must be a reason. The likely reason is that the spent fuel pool suffered a catastrophic boil down with zirc fires. This likely scenario is the very one claimed by the foremost experts at the time, and there are no alternative theories of merit. Thus the claim of 100% success and safety is really very doubtful. The major neutron and isotope fallout is enough to show that unit four was a major contributor to the Fukushima catastrophe. Now the problem with claiming the stuff hanging out the north wall is corium is that it allows the possibility of an intact spent fuel pool. And it derails the credibility of a group like ENEnews that may be trying to point out the real catastrophe in the spent pool and the lies and collusion of TEPCO, governments and media. SO put that in your pipe and smoke it, and put your sarcastic accusatory remarks in dry cask storage, they dont help anything. Thanks

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

                When you discount the MOX fuel which detonated in a nuclear explosion at Unit 4, you are minimizing what happened there.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  MOX fuel detonating in a nuclear explosion is an interesting theory. Does it somehow jive with melting out the north wall, or is it a separate theory? I would consider it…wheres the evidence of a nuclear MOX explosion?

  • Was there a heat signature for the corium blob that cooled off and solidified at Chernobyl?

    By the look of it, it acted much like hot taffy coming off the stove.. It was hot, it melted/burned, then it flowed down and out, and then it cooled off rapidly after the initial melting and burning phase.

    The elephants foot at Chernobyl looks very much like what came out of 4, 3 and god knows what else..

    Of course, the official story is that nothing happened, nothing came out, no nuclear fires, and everything stayed inside reactor containment.

    DOH!

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Several pix of Chernobyl corium at this link.
      https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-did-this-worker-approach-this-fuel-mass-at-chernobyl.672660/
      It cooled to black.
      But pretty dynamic early on.
      Feel sorry for worker who took these pictures, then probably died a horrible death. 🙁
      Never saw a heat signature.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      It is very doubtful that corium would cool so quickly to not leave any IR signature. Impossible. So there you go…

      • See, Code? That's what I think, too.
        Wouldn't the fuel rods have to be (better) contained (like within the reactor core, itself) in order to not just blow up, out, and away? Fuel rods, within the pool, were hardly contained, to prevent them blowing elsewhere, no?
        I understand the fuel (probably within the rods) blew up. Pellets of fuel were found all over the Daiichi campus and even in (or on) the ocean. Pieces were found in Tokyo and in plenty of other distant places. I would find it difficult to believe they all melted together to create a mass of corium. I also don't think they fell down, back into place together, to achieve such a fete. For this reason, "meltdown", would be he wrong label to put on this event (or part of the event.) Labeling it corium would also be not accurate.
        Or, I know nothing about nuclear, at all.

  • General User General User

    Generalized Question,
    Spent fuel, aka high burn up fuel, is just that "all used up". Yes, more radio active than ever, but not as quick to achieve thousands of degrees hot when melted into a blob
    So, let's not call it corium, it doesn't have that kind of horsepower left in it.
    WHAT to call it that differentiates its lower heat generating capacity, and hence the totally different thermal characteristics of melted spent fuel VS hot corium?
    Peace All

    • In a quick splat… Spent fuel is not lacking in death. As the fuel runs it becomes more dangerous by producing all those unwanted but just as deadly contaminates. After a time in side the reactor the swath of those contaminates start to affect the New fuel adversely and will spread their effect to the new fuel faster if left in the reactor. they are a considerable amount MORE dangerous after a tour through the process than being a lame spent battery or an empty tank. They remove it because the elements they want are no longer producible because of the many transuranic contaminates interfering with the production process of the elements the reactor is meant to supply. Heat to boil water is about seventeenth down on the list of wants from the whole process. A spent fuel Assembly is just about the most dangerous thing to a living thing as you can get. A melted down one is worse. A burned into the air is as bad as one can ever expect to witness. Five thousand TONS of them BURNING into your air is way off the map bad shit and THEY KNOW IT! A number of witnesses here have uttered the EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT in regard the Common Spent Fuel Storage Unit and it's contamination potential and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS RIGHT!. Spent Fuel Rod is the nukist blowing wind into your anus about the danger. Don't allow yourself to be conned. See the danger before you are lost to it. Spent is what money becomes not what nuclear fuel becomes.

      • Yes, Alan. The labeling of used fuel rods as, "spent", can be confusing to many people. It is actually more deadly or at least as deadly (I say more) than fresh fuel rods.
        For this reason, I call depleted uranium, "dirty uranium". It is deadly. And this is why we're seeing so much death, here, across the ocean, from Fukushima.

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      But if GU is right about the temp..it would be a lot safer for it to reach the lava..but then again..it may never do because of lack of melting tru power..?

  • Control of the spent assembly with a moderator reduces it's heat output… Remove that moderator and you will see just how wrong General User is in premise. a fuel unit at 40 years old without a moderator is just as a new one with all those other elements hitching a ride. Chernobyl is going to emit heat for the rest of humankind's tour on this rock because the moderator is not in place doing the work of halting the reaction.

  • The elements in the rods pure and clad inside the Zirc tube have a potential to do X work.. diffuse that same amount of element inro 200,000 tons of sand dirt and steel and guess what same amount of potential just diffused through the amalgam. The corium under Chernobyl is still working, Still generating heat and if allowed to build up that head would go through all the modes it is capable like a coal fire or a fire at a landfill. At Fukushima the constant flow of ground water is providing moderation the reaction and spreading the contamination throughout the pacific. Does not sound too spent to me, How about you?

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      So diffused enough by the dirt it absorbed by melting tru it will one day stop melting tru..but still give of heat..would it be enough to detect and localise the blobs ? No matter how deep ?

      • Building four's fuel, or the fuel that was in the pool of unit-4, did not become a mass or a blob. It blew-up like pickup sticks on steroids. Some pellets of fuel, from within the rods (in fact, a lot of the pellets) blew out from these rods and landed on Daiichi campus and some landed in the sea. Some landed in or around Tokyo and some in Fukushima Prefeture, as well as plenty other prefectures.
        With each storm, and there have been plenty of large storms hitting Japan since 03/11, to be sure, water that's accumulated on the ground has been washing these pellets of fuel (not masses of fuel) into the ocean. The tides carry them, one piece at a time, through the ocean. These pellets are incredibly deadly and are affecting water from one shore to the next.
        However, I don't think this is the worst of it.
        Remember, there are three (at least) hot coria sitting on the coast of Japan, in Daiichi, and water is also pouring over these coria and spilling, unabated, directly into the sea. Tides carry isotopes from these coria all the way to USA, Canada, and all American countries.

        In other words, we are screwed, and there is no way to change this.

  • Just what and how the reaction is controlled is the unknown of the event in Japan. We know the material is getting out, We know it is getting worse, We know that even fission is still a factor. all these things tell us that moderation and control are not too likely to be a reality with so many unknowns under these reactors. The CSFSU can become far worse than the 4 reactors combined in full melt out on mass alone if allowed to reach that potential by loss of the moderating factors involved in their storage. This fact is a sad reality of all reactors because if the logistics of getting the fuel assemblies into longer term storage places like dry cask and geological repositories. doing so is STILL not changing the potential of that fuel to do X work just its ability to go about that work. A fuel assembly can be removed from a dry cask it's moderator removed and presto it goes back to work. Same is true if the moderator is sand,water or any other reaction inhibitor.

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      "..We know that even fission is still a factor.."

      Could it be that the biggest mass melting tru escaped the building melt tru the earth and is probably slowing down or came to a halt already by dirt diffusion/water cooling..but that there are relative small blobs that got separated kept hanging somewhere on the floor/melt tunnel or above the river/groundwater anyway and that it is those blobs that , also relative pure , keep on fissioning and fuming in the air..?

  • Heat is not the real issue.. Radiation is the issue. even cool a fuel assembly is a danger on the energy it emits as a result of the contaminates in it's makeup. even in dry cask storage these elements are dangerous. Bathed in water and eroded into the ocean for fish to filter out food chain wise is far more dangerous than residual heat from the reaction going on. As nuclear pissing contest go the material that has the ability to spread through the environment and constantly interacting with that environment is more of a worry to biology than heat might be. Heat is a indicator of the reaction not a measure of that reactions effects in the environment.

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      Yeah , but i'm a bit fixated at understanding what happened to the blobs and how to seperate them from the biosphere..

      The spent fuel rods are a big problem no doubt..and partly political..

      • That my friend is the 2 billion dollar question. Down there under the reactors in some way very nasty is the only answer yet. The flaming stakes and lion pits will get to the bottom of the issue after a time and enough of em are scared shitless enough to spill it like hot dogs and gin on a bar parking lot.

  • And quell the noise about POLITICS this is a LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE.

    • DUDe DisasterInterpretationDissorder

      Sure , with politics standing in the way of common sense..

      • Politics has always done that. We call that living with the devil we know. Transcend the norms to overcome the politician and their games of death because you are in a game of LIFE and DEATH with those that want YOU DEAD. Your need for life is all you have. even uttering the word politician is a weakness your life cannot afford. even SCIENTIST is a swearword at this point of the Radiation game of death you are involved.

  • And just to be clear WE are LOSING that game as of 2015 by the way. My mother and millions more are dead from the game of nuclear death.

    • There are only A Team winners, no matter if on this physical side or on the other invisible side

      All of LIFE and living things are anti nuclear, when it comes right down to it.

      There is no way to lose. This is the winning team, period.

      • Until the horror of the CSFSU is dealt with in a rational and life protecting results we all are losing. Once a path to getting all the many reactor fuel storage issues dealt with i will entertain a tad bit of hope but that hope is a distant and fuzzy mirage deep into the desert of lies.

  • razzz razzz

    From Fukus' Diary:

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2015/10/9-4-svh-detected-outside-reactor-2-vessel/

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2015/11/sr-90-density-increased-over-2-5-times-in-groundwater-beside-reactor-2/

    Might take the time to read the dates on the articles in question besides the two links above. It would avoid a lot of confusion and aggravation.

    Both Units 1&2 have high readings (9+ Sieverts) outside lost containment but seems a mere pittance compare to 1,000,000 sieverts.
    http://enenews.com/up-to-1000000-sieverts-per-hour-outside-unit-1-containment-vessel-still-too-hot-to-measure-other-areas-in-building-photo

    I wonder what the highest readings possible are?

    Anyway, add Unit 3 to the high readings whether they announced it yet or not.

    These are the kinds of reading melted down rods produce. Don't see it in Unit 4's pool.

  • razzz razzz

    Melts act like lava or plastic flows (not fully liquid but thick globs) and while taking time to eat through concrete, will take a sideways path of least resistance through openings or thin walls.

    Units 1&3 blew and threw off some of their cores (some vaporized). Unit 2's melt mostly stayed home for whatever reason and will be the main contributor to onsite radiation, mainly in runoff readings.

    Once the melts hit groundwater, since it pretty much established that was the only cooling going on or that they found at time, they began to crust over on the outer surfaces.

    The 3 melts are actually wide spread pieces as they exploded out the bottoms of the reactors. Like a bunch of little blobs to be found with maybe a main or many large and small melts lurking in different areas. Down and sideways would be their movement until crusting over.

    Control rods moderate by absorbing neutrons, to much neutron absorption then fission stops. Water slows down neutrons and aids in fission hence the adding of a 'poison' like boron to water to take the place of control rods during a meltdown because boron absorbs neutrons too.

    Another observation about glowing balls, not unusual during undersea quake to produce undersea landslides that release methane gas pockets which travels to the surface to do weird things like sink ships and take planes out of the sky since it is lighter than air and is like being in a vacuum (bubble) beside being an explosive.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Water on the surface of encrusted corium will not moderate neutrons from fissioning corium.
    Water on the surface of corium will not cool the corium to any great extent.
    Ongoing fission occurs in corium, even after 4 years.
    We know this fact by the presence Iodine-131 in sewage sludge from cities near and far away (eg Tokyo).
    Nuclear science doesn't understand much about corium, simply because nuclear science hasn't studied corium.
    Nuclear science only knows how water moderates neutrons from fission of fuel pellets in zirc tubes, with heat taken away as steam.
    That is, nuclear science studies working reactors.
    Now, nuclear science can study corium in reactor ruins and in the earth.
    But only if the politics of the situation allows this study to go on.
    Thus far, the politics of the situation dictate that nuclear science denies that corium is fissioning away in the ground.

    Where is the damn corium, Tepco? 😉
    (Still no answer. Going on 5 years, now.)

    • PUN, I think the I131 only occurs during shake and bake events. I did an article kind of proving that the levels of I131 is not due to "thyroid treatment" piss and poo.

    • razzz razzz

      In the early days I was reading that a melt could moderate neutrons from within depending on the viscosity of the melt or something like that. In other words, you could have a crusting skin on the outside surfaces of a melt while still molten inside the same melt. Of course a lot depends on the makeup of the melt with what fissile material available but tons of fissile materials to begin with in these 3 meltdowns to create all kinds of scenarios.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    I meant to say that water surrounding corium will not moderate neutrons, nor sustain fission, in the same way, nor to the same degree, that water between fuel rods in a fuel assembly will.
    That fission occrus in corium is proven by the presence of Iodine-131.
    Ongoing fission in corium, going on five years.

    • Some individuals here have stated that water actually acts as a REFLECTOR, making the reaction WORSE in a corium blob, accelerating it and making it grow.

      Since no one is studying any of the melted out coriums that are God only knows where, there is no absolute certainty with any of this, just theories and guesses.

      The proof consists of multiple liquid emissions coming out of various buildings. How much actually melted out of buildings and where it ended up is pure conjecture.

      The iodine readings in sewage sludge seem to indicate active fission going on underground at Fukushima, and/or inside of the broken up reactors.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    CodeShutdown:
    On your response to me above, re Unit 4.
    You say Unit 4 Equipment Pool was able to hold water after 3/11.
    I've spent 2 hours looking at Unit 4 photos, trying to find an aerial photo showing the roof cleared away, and water in the EP.
    This is the best photo I can find.
    The green crane is over where the EP used to be.
    I see no water.
    https://cryptome.org/2012-info/daiichi-12-07/pict106.jpg

    Can you provide a link to photographic evidence that the EP held water after 3/11?

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    Unit 2 glowing red area, 2nd video down in this link. a female faust posted in 2012, http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2012/05/in-case-you-missed-it-fukushima-molten.html#fair-use

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    “Deadly” radiation levels detected outside Fukushima containment vessel — “Details behind situation are unknown”
    Same as in 2011, scroll down this link to the IAEA section
    http://mitnse.com/

  • PlowboyGrownUp

    This video says the melts of one and 2 were vented to the air as they vaporized http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2015/01/inside-of-fukushima-reactor-2-molten.html

    • GOM GOM

      Glowing naked nuclear core of R4- Chernobyl as seen by the bravest of men from a helicopter.
      Vid is English dubbed.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoJTNC-3XLA&sns=em

      • razzz razzz

        A report I read said all the lead, sand and whatever else dumped from the choppers, missed the core completely. There was a pic, video or drawing showing a piled up mound sitting in another compartment adjacent to the reactor core. The mound being what was dropped from helicopters. The Chernobyl core fire essentially burnt itself out unimpeded. That leads me to believe that most of the core vaporized leaving little of it behind. Fantasy estimates are 95% of core still remains there. When carbon control rods are burning, you know that fire is hot.

        • At least some of it hit the mark, because lead was detected many Km away from the plant at high levels.

          The lead dumped on the fire melted and was vaporized and went out and contaminated everything in addition to the nuclear stuff coming out.

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      That must be what happened, vaporized, and vented to the atmosphere. Fuku didn't get the heat taken care of, so the corium kept heating up until it started vaporizing. imo

  • GOM GOM

    Another angle, look at Chernobyl's R4 core glowing and billowing blue smoke. This vid is same crew with perfect video. Keep in mind they are being fried alive.
    People on the ground said "the smell was indescribable"

    http://blogs.waytorussia.net/herbariums/chernobyl-eyewitness-accounts/

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      The glowing looked like the one in 'a female faust''s link up above, only bigger.

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Yep, it was vaporizing. If they hadn't dropped all that lead, sand, borax and whatever onto it, most of it would have vaporized. imho
      Or it might have melted through to that pool of water below and a huge explosion would have blown the remaining melt everywhere and far.

      • PlowboyGrownUp

        Uh, wait, two guys swam in there and opened something to let the water out.

      • razzz razzz

        I never understood what the two Chernobyl scientists were sacrificing their lives for. Were they trying to prevent a steam explosion or were they trying to prevent fission if the melted core fell into some water? Seems like water would flash to steam anyway avoiding any neutron moderation. The fog of war, so to speak.

        Then you have Daiichi with firemen trying to douse the melts with water/seawater and get blamed for causing the explosions. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, the world is screwed either way.

        • They were afraid of another criticality explosion, separate from the first one.

          They calculated that if the corium fell into water in the basement, it would explode, worse than the first explosion, and release MASSSIIVVVEEE amounts of radiation into the environment, much like building 3 at Fukushima did.

          They figured that the whole continent of EU might be uninhabitable if that happened. That is why they sent in the divers, the miners and others to prevent that from happening.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "From Walmart to Hershey to Campbell’s Soup, America’s biggest retailers and manufacturers are warning their shareholders that flat growth is a fact of life because of “consumer bifurcation,” which is plutocrat-speak for “everyone is broke except the one percent.” The companies’ plan for rescuing themselves is to turn themselves into luxury brands targeted at the wealthy."
    Boing boing, quoted in above article from SHTFP.com

    Ahhhh! I feel so sorry for all those 1% Stockholders. 😉

    Henry Ford saw right away, that assemblylines could crank out more Model Ts than there were customers for.
    His solution was to raise hourly pay of his employees, so they could afford to buy some of the cars they were making.
    Smart capitalism has given way entirely to greedy capitalism.
    "I got mine, go pound sand!"

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      “We think that consumer bifurcation has been an important driver,” Hershey CEO John Bilbrey said on an earnings call, referring to the growing gap between upper-income and lower-income consumers."

      From the same shtfp.com link above.

      "CONSUMER BIFURCATION" is such a turn of phrase. 😉

      (Got to love the humor of the 1%! )

  • razzz razzz

    As much I like alternative energy…

    "…The result was significantly more fatalities of golden eagles, red-tailed hawks, American kestrels, burrowing owls, mallards, horned larks and western meadowlarks. Turbines with slower rotations per minute actually made it appear that there was more space and "greater windows of time." This fooled birds, by giving them the illusion that they had open flight space between the rotating blades.

    In fact, the illusion fools people, too. The newest turbines move their blades at 10-20 rotations per minute, which appears to be slow – but for their blade tips this translates into 100-200 mph…"
    http://www.cfact.org/2013/03/18/wind-turbines-kill-up-to-39-million-birds-a-year/

    Not a peep out of conservancy organization like the National Audubon Society, more worried about feral cats than windmills.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar PraisingTruth

    Cancer on the Rise in Post-Fukushima Japan
    November 04, 2015
    E-mail: “In Fairewinds’ latest update of the ongoing nuclear catastrophe at Fukushima Daiichi, Chief Engineer Arnie Gundersen presents two reports that confirm the direct link of numerous cancers in Japan to the triple meltdown. Based upon data from Japanese medical professionals and utility owner of the meltdown site, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), Arnie concludes that heavy radioactive discharges will be the cause of enormous spikes in cancer in Japan.
    “TEPCO’s press release confirms the leukemia diagnosis for a TEPCO worker due to his ongoing exposure during the last four years to radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi triple meltdown. Sadly, during the early months of the Fukushima Daiichi emergency, most TEPCO workers did not wear the required dosimeters required to measure each employee’s exposure to radiation, which has made accurate assessment of the radiation doses received by TEPCO employees impossible.
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