Japan Times: Discharges of Fukushima nuclear material into Pacific “have effectively contaminated the sea” — Melted reactor cores will burn again if water not perpetually poured in — “Tepco proposing some of it be dumped into ocean”

Published: May 20th, 2013 at 1:13 pm ET
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Title: Fukushima No. 1 can’t keep its head above tainted water
Source: The Japan Times
Author: Reiji Yoshida
Date: May 21, 2013

[...] Tepco must perpetually pour water over the melted cores of reactors 1, 2, and 3 via makeshift systems to prevent the fuel from melting and burning again. [...]

Tepco is proposing some of the water be dumped into the sea after processing it to remove most, but not all, radioactive isotopes. [...]

Previous discharges into the Pacific have effectively contaminated the sea. Failure to store it means it will probably flood the whole compound and end up in the ocean anyway. [...]

Will the processed water pose health or environmental risks?

According to Tepco, the processed water could theoretically be safe [...]

Tritium is the exception, however. Tepco says the tritium level in the contaminated water is between 1 million and 5 million becquerels per liter. The legal limit is 60,000. [...]

See also: Gundersen: "Liquid releases" of nuclear material into ocean will continue for years and years at Fukushima Daiichi -- Already 10 times Chernobyl (VIDEO)

Published: May 20th, 2013 at 1:13 pm ET
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130 comments to Japan Times: Discharges of Fukushima nuclear material into Pacific “have effectively contaminated the sea” — Melted reactor cores will burn again if water not perpetually poured in — “Tepco proposing some of it be dumped into ocean”

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    One plant contaminating the planet .. what a horrible technology nuclear turned out to be. Thousands of workers have to perpetually pour water (billions of tons) over the melted cores (forever). And this is just one nuclear plant. The ultimate sick nightmare is what nuclear is.


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    • Jay

      Funny , I see the idea of the melted coriums still present in the Plant pushed energetically .

      ENE tells us differently :

      http://enenews.com/scientist-melted-core-cracked-containment-vessel-really-containment-fukushima-reactors-video

      … Steven Starr, Director of the Clinical Laboratory Science Program at the University of Missouri/Senior Scientist at Physicians for Social Responsibility : The Japanese basically lied about what happened with the reactors for months.
      They said they were trying to prevent a meltdown, when in fact they knew within the first couple of days Reactors 1, 2, and 3 at Fukushima Daiichi had melted down, and they actually melted through the steel containment vessels .

      The melted core cracked the containment vessel, there really is no containment.
      ….


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Problems With Nuclear Bombs, Satellites And Weapons In Space; via @AGreenRoad
      http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/03/nuclear-bombs-satellites-and-weapons-in.html


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Just read your comments about not living in fear. Ah, thank you, friend. A much needed boost this morning. Love someone, give them a warm blanket and a kind word. Best to you and yours, mutual friends today.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        AGR, also wanted to mention your articles are beautifully footnoted. You have done a wonderful job doing research and writing. Kudos to you. Well done. Speaking as one of the "relatively old timers" (August 2011) here, we're glad we're "on the ride" with you.

        Arclight, if you get a chance to read this and comment, we'd like to hear from you and hear your input.


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    • moonshellblue moonshellblue

      Yes nuclear power is far from "Green and Clean" I cannot believe Obama wants to build to new reactors in Georgia. I hope this has been halted but I heard him say how the new AP1000 are safe. I personally think we ought to be closing them all instead of building more. What are these so-called leaders of our country thinking and Obama should be thinking about his daughters and their generation thus using true clean and green energy sources, not nukes. We don't need them and I think the majority of the public is anti-nuke does anyone know off-hand? I'll have to do some research.


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      • We Not They Finally

        Obama is essentially very similar to Bill Clinton who under his watch repealed Glas Steagall that destroyed much of the worlds economy..Both are run by the Corporations…We need more bernie Sanders..And less conservative dems or moderate repubs pretending to be democrats..Of course Clinton pushed the dems to the center and repubs went to the far right.Sounds like an obituary doesnt it. Here lies the rep party who vanished like the whigs..Here lies the dems who sold out their own party and went for the continuation of tax cuts to the wealthy except for minor changes.Thus they lost the house for many yrs.


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  • Lion76 Lion76

    I guess we're getting to the stage of not having to read between the lines too much. What a sad "reality" that has been allowed to perpetuate. Everyone who ignored/downplayed/denied any and all of the real risks and real possibilities should be haunted every waking second of the rest of their lives. They should look their kids and grandkids in the eye and say "I failed you" because that is exactly what they did. None of us are immune from the dangers, but some of us tried to sound the alarm loud enough to get public support behind MITIGATION but it's too late for that now. Now, we sit and wait for what we know is coming slowly but surely. I "wish" this were all overblown, but we destroyed the ocean and our future is forever changed for worse. There is no "silver lining" or "recovery feel good story" to be found in this disaster, as it is still ongoing and will continue to for the rest of all our days (and the days of our future generations who never had a chance to have a say so in the matter).

    I wish I had known of nuclear realities before fukushima, but even so no one cares because denial is a drug on which so many stay drunk on. IGNORANCE IS BLISS but we'll see how that grin and bear it attitude plays out in the long run.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      What I find shocking about all this is how the MAJORITY of people don't seem to care enough to even care and acknowledge what is happening. But I feel in good company here on this blog community. We certainly care.


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    • mandog

      Great post! The light just came on, my light that is. I am going to send my family and friends an email everyday from now on linking to this website. Every email will include a post from one of the members that will hopefully wake them up. Starting today and useing your post Lion76 for the opening kickoff. Maybe others here will try something like this also. Thankyou!


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Lion76, I like to think I'm a fairly "savvy" person, but the whole debacle of nuclear weapons and the nuke industry caught me utterly off-guard. HOW could I have missed something so HUGE, I've asked myself so many times since March 12, 2011 (Japan time, not Pacific Standard Time, San Francisco).


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    • Trawling4Trolls

      You're saying more than you realize, Lion76, like everyone else here, with this,
      "I guess we're getting to the stage of not having to read between the lines too much. What a sad "reality" that has been allowed to perpetuate. Everyone who ignored/downplayed/denied any and all of the real risks and real possibilities .."

      The international will was building to help Japan to obtain clean food and instead their decision makers chose to be standoffish and ignore that will.

      They chose to poison their own people because it was 'cheaper'. And the super-jades fell in line with that and agreed to poison their own children. For profit.

      Too reminiscent of the 'patriotism' of the starving North Koreans.

      Rather than ex-SKF's Ultraman there is now Super Cynic rising up to do business battle with foreign imperialists. The Mongols would be impressed with their essential cruelty.


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  • combomelt combomelt

    Que'st ce que?
    ketsu kusai

    I feel like we've been watching fuku unfold for 2+ years at 10,000fps. Seems like a time warp over there. Tokyo is blanketed with fuku fallout and the japgovt is itching to restart all their NPPs.?!? There is Zero condemnation. What happened to that hag-nuke-shill Lady doofus head of the nuke-crime cartel. She said she had an "amazing" visit not too long ago, maybe she would care to return after the rice harvest in fuku prfct and sample some fresh local seafood. Oh and top it off with fresh local persimmons. Omg whats it gonna take FFS!
    ISNT THIS ENOUGH ????? The japanese dont ask for intl help, and no one demands it.
    NOW ITS OFFICIAL – THE PACIFIC OCEAN, AND THUSLY EVENTUALLY ALL OCEANS, are the new normal for dumping.
    OUR OCEANS ARE NOW OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED AND DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR HIGH LEVEL RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL DISPOSAL.
    Ocean dumping has happened since the dawn of the age, but now its APPROVED and billions of us "walk on by".


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  • mairs mairs

    Maybe the human race was doomed from the very beginning, just the length of time it took us to develop the technology to effectively end our futures with no off switch, no way to back out. Money trumps everything, even life. And the nation-state will struggle for survival, for coherence, even at the expense of the lives and health of its citizens.

    It's so horrifying what just one of these plants can do to the earth, and they are dotted all over the planet. The building is wired. The demolition has started.

    I'm not usually so down, but what else can one feel about all of this?


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      it's always been about hard choices mairs. Unfortunately, humans developed a propensity for personal survival over that of the tribe. It was our Catch-22; that we'd be quicker to jump out of the way of the ravenous tiger before pushing another to safety. For all our cunning and plodding genius, 'bad wiring' got the better of us. Not saying we're all this way; just that the evidence points to the majority being so. With all the horrific wars of the last five thousand years that haunted each surviving generation, we each became the end-product of an evolving global society. But the tipping point's finally arrived. Hiding in a bunker, counting stacks of gold will not fetch a get-out-of-hell card, now…


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        AFTERSHOCK, you've been thinking about eternity a lot lately. RUOK? Am wondering and hoping you're OK.


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        • Wreedles Wreedles

          Aftershock and I seem to track fairly similarly, so although I cannot speak for Aftershock, I can say I'm NOT ok.

          I, too, have been thinking about 'eternity' (which is really just the eternal Now) a lot lately.

          And while I understand the cosmic significance of Fukushima, knowing of the ongoing needless suffering, caused by our hubris, of so many beings, and understanding the invalidation of our potential as an evolved culture…

          It's almost unbearably painful.

          But, what's done is done. The fate of this world has been irrevocably altered. Only time will tell what fruit, if any, shall be borne.


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          • We Not They Finally

            Wreedles, we [self and husband] are NOT o.k. either. But the first step is to separate out of the madness enough to see what is happening. Even affirming that one is NOT COMPLICIT is a better place to stand. And even for all the physical wreckage, no one can take our hearts, our souls, our minds. Spiritual beliefs help too. Surely there is more benevolence in the Universe than THIS horror show.


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          • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

            unfortunately Wreedles, knowing what's to come is both curse and blessing. The curse resides in not being able to disclose what you know will be. The blessing must remain hidden, as it only belongs to 'you'.

            Disclosure does not alter what will be. However, disclosure often generates corrective permutations within the timeline. So, while there is a future, disclosing its character only impedes its arrival.

            Observe. Attend to those observations. Be patient with the results…


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            • Anthony Anthony

              I think now is the most fascinating time, so far. I'm also asking the universe to allow us the internet to keep our connections here. Maybe if enough people help put that thought out it will happen for us? It just occurred to me I'm not sure if I want to meet you in person, my friend AFTERSHOCK…. :( ) your light seems SO BRIGHT (which ironically and of course is a good thing and characteristic!). I guess I'm saying you might make me nervous… who knew?


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            • Wreedles Wreedles

              I know, but I'm TIRED! Lol…

              Thank you Aftershock, once again, for reminding me.


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          • Anthony Anthony

            Exactly paragraph two statement. Exactly how I am seeing life. Energy. Intelligence. My Spirit and Soul. Now I'm going to go back and read the rest of your post!


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        • Anthony Anthony

          Eternity is all there really is, isn't it?


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    • We Not They Finally

      Yes a great astrophysicist Carl Sagan before he died stated that he felt we must be alone in the universe because if other worlds reached our level of civilization they would by then surely have destroyed themselves….


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      • Wreedles Wreedles

        As much as I admire and respect Carl Sagan, I respectfully submit that this is a narrow and inaccurate view, held mostly because he lacked an experiential referent to a culture not wired as we are. (As Aftershock so eloquently observed above.)

        You'll have to take my word for it, but we are <so> not alone in the universe. If we can get our collective heads out of our butts, we may all know this someday.

        The good news is that we CAN change how we're wired. The effort required will be monumental, but the human race has demonstrated that it can come together and exert monumental effort, given enough stimulus.

        Who knows, the consequences of the ongoing and accelerating catastrophes brought about by our experimentation with nuclear fission within the biosphere of our homeworld, along with other shortsighted traumas to said biosphere, may be just the stimulus needed to bring about the needed shifts.

        In two sentences, ALL of our problems stem from ONE mistaken view; we have too narrow a definition of Self. To correct our problems, we must START by redefining precisely what the Self is.


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    • We Not They Finally

      The peaceful atom campaign by Eisenhower was the beginning of the end…Doom came from nuclear energy and the greed of the Corporations who dug the grave of humanity.Safe nuclear energy??No one enormous Extinction level event.Sadly the human experiment has failed.


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    • andagi andagi

      Dear mairs,
      Please keep posting on ENENews. Thank you for such honest, soulful thoughts, they echo those of many of the posters, readers and newcomers here. We all have our 'days' and I hope you believe you are supported here by… brilliant, wonderful newsers.
      Aloha All.

      PS. For you mairs, lovely slack key piece from esteemed Keola Beamer
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoCE5Wief58


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  • combomelt combomelt

    There isnt anything they can do. Just slowly move those big cranes around all the time.
    Oh and next up to bat…
    http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/05/belgiums-two-nuclear-reactors-with.html

    Neverending accumulation


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  • Tom in AZ Tom in AZ

    Wait. Tritium is going to be the problem. The one thing they ALL leak around the world with 'no problem' is going to be 'the' problem? What happened to plutonium, uranium, and all the other ummm, iums?


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    • We Not They Finally

      1,946 dangerous radionuclides, to be exact. Breathe, eat, drink, take your pick. I'd say let that whole island sink beneath the sea, except that it is also full of innocents; and besides, that would do no GOOD. It would just be direct ocean contamination forever. Which they have just announced that we will have ANYWAY.

      Yet the Japanese stock market soars! Mass psychosis takes many forms.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Never give up hope that we will find ourselves in compassionate loving intelligent worlds some place other than this hell planet.
      The universes which are infinite have billions and billions of highy evolved beings who are crying for us all.


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  • Sickputer

    "Tepco must perpetually pour water over the melted cores of reactors 1, 2, and 3 via makeshift systems to prevent the fuel from melting and burning again.

    But the cores’ containment vessels were damaged by the meltdowns, allowing the highly radioactive coolant water to leak and flow into the basements. The dangerous radiation levels have prevented workers from getting close enough to fully assess the damage, let alone start the decommissioning process."

    SP: That pretty well fleshes out the official nuclear disaster response plan. Or to put it in simple words we grew so familiar with the past 26 months: Feed and Bleed.

    It does confirm what we had suspected in that the residual splatter of uranium/plutonium fuel blobs on the buildings inner parts are still capable of burning in the open air unless they get an hourly bath. So drench them forever unless they want a repeat of the 11 days of Chernobyl. Of course they omit to tell us that probably half the fuel splatter already burned away into open air fallout in those hazy days of March – September 2011 and again in December 2011 through February 2012.

    Count up all the days the cameras went "offline" and it was probably 5 times more out of control burning than Chernobyl. And ten times as much fuel burned.

    The statement also contradicts the earlier Tepco estimates of how long it would take to be decommission the inner parts. Now we know…never. Not in our lifetimes, not in 20 human lifetimes.


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  • SwimsWithGators

    They have hidden the truth for two years now. Just like the good people here who have been preaching the truth for two years. Take a bow good people.

    So what can we do now to protect ourselves and families and communities?

    I am known 'round these parts for being a doomer because I have been following Enewsers and the truth. Getting old so I have been quiet. But damn, I don't know that I can much longer. Certainly going around telling the "Ignorance is blissful" .. "I told you so" is going to go over like a warm bucket of spit, so, what to do?

    One thing I'd like to see is that ENEnews would keep a daily page around emissions. Past and future. Seems like every seven days after a blowout at Fukushima, North America gets blasted with nuke particles. Somehow it would be great to be able to get the correlation down, so that we can all be aware of when to restrict our activities and warn people.

    Beyond that I am all out of ideas and feel as if the gators are drawing in close for the kill and there is no way out of the pond.

    We need some positive actions we can believe in and use to educate. The very health of our families and friends is at stake and if there is anything we can do to ward off some suffering is the least we can do, eh?


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  • Cisco Cisco

    Sorry to say folks, it's over. There are some things that can't be fixed. Fukushima and psychopathy are 2 of them.

    10 years from now, those who are left will be severely debilitated and sterile; and, their writings will be on stone and in caves.


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    • combomelt combomelt

      Not even as happy as On the Beach…
      A thought

      Will the aliens who fly by earth 100s of yrs from now get static and try and tune their radios in as the radiation from all the long ago melted down npps on earth pass by below them on this otherwise invisibly toxic "shining blue marble"? Fuzzing out their intergalactic tunes indeed how sad


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  • ftlt

    It has become clear they are going to do nothing… Probably start bulldozing everything into the ocean when they think no one is looking in the future


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    • many moons

      I think maybe they have already dumped the cores into the water and are now asking our permission to do so…."well the pacific is already gone so we might as well dump the rest toxic material in too as a precaution cause you never know when a day may come and we won't be able to throw water on the cores so…might as well just get it over with…".
      I think that's what the cranes have been doing…lifting the rest of the cores out and throwing them in the water…then they are going to build the concrete wall out in the waterr to slow down the total contamination of the world.


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  • Jebus

    Ah, another enenews kodak moment, for those just catching up to the "news", here's a reminder of sorts.

    This is why it matters…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeXdv-uPaw


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Thanks Jebus. I saw this a couple of years ago, but forgot about it till now. I've bookmarked it so I won't loose it again during whatever time we have left to enjoy the beauties of this blue and brilliant globe.


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  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    L76, you said all, thanks, the truth will show just badly we failed as devil took over our brightesy minds & mate he used them!


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    • Lion76 Lion76

      I love you guys and this site and the fact there are still people in the world willing to fight for the people who either can't or won't speak up and fight for themselves.

      THIS should have been the sort of response America should have shown after 3/11 we could have revolutionized agriculture and had it be nothing but a "net positive" for the country, world, and economy altogether. But, we know "old money" in Big Ag and Monsanto interests control the thinking of the current day.

      http://www.rosebudmag.com/eco-trends/japan-hydroponics-imec-hydromembrane-yuichi-mori

      "As a country with very few natural resources and little land, Japan is always at the forefront of advancements in green technologies and space-saving techniques. Their newest export, an addition to the world of soilless agriculture, is both green and a space-saver. Invented by scientists at Tokyo-based Mebiol, the hydroponic system called Imec may just change the way the planet deals with agriculture forever."

      /these articles still use climate change as the "reasoning" behind these technologies, when radioactive pollution should be just as valid of a reasoning.
      //Japanese royalty has been eating out of indoor gardens since 3-11 but all the news articles related to it have been "scrubbed" since I first saw them over a year ago. Imagine that.


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  • We Not They Finally

    And who takes care of "forever"? And by the way, do they even know where those out-of-containment melted-through coriums even ARE? And why has no one been sent to The Haag? Why are these criminal monsters still allowed to walk the streets?


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    • Sol Man

      The coriums are being dispersed into the world. All pay for some persons' death wish marked by the great unraveling of the genomes of the world. Love was not strong enough to overcome the psychosis among us.
      The desire of shallow people to sell themselves over for fiat payments from soulless corporations so that they may continue to inflict has inflicted life-altering damage.


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  • ruppert

    Love has not lost as it will take control and slowly clean up the mess we have made of the planet long after we are gone. We think in time frames of centuries and Life thinks in terms of Eternity.

    There's a really great video called "Life After People". It shows what would take place on the planet if people just disappeared and how even with all the NPPs melting down and damage we have already inflicted, Life is always trying to right the ship and create it's balanced Nature.

    It will take eons for the Earth to be brought back to the condition that we were given it in but Life has all the time in the world whereas we think in terms of only in centuries. Even if the Sun does expand in however many bazillion years and eliminates the earth, Life will go on, just not on Earth.

    So don't cry for the Earth. If you want to cry about something, then cry over how we squandered our humanity. Hopefully the next tenants won't be as stupid.


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    • pcjensen

      Perhaps some have a seriously hard time imagining that "life" as we know it, will cease to exist… that humanity is sliding towards extinction… that their progeny will not come to be… I personally don't mind and think earth ought just shake us off in order to give time a chance to heal this blue-green ball we call home. The only reason I was "in the fight" was because it's a real shame people were not provided the opportunity to choose informed awareness so they could make choices about their, and their family's, safety for the duration. And, there are those who ought be in jail right now and until they perish. It is the only karmically correct way for humanity, for those who believe in karma, it is time for just results to manifest.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "Tritium is the exception, however. Tepco says the tritium level in the contaminated water is between 1 million and 5 million becquerels per liter. The legal limit is 60,000." From the article above.
    "1 quadrillion becquerels of total strontium into Pacific via wastewater — Giant spike in levels offshore Fukushima many months after 3/11."
    http://enenews.com/massive-spike-in-oceans-strontium-levels-many-months-after-311-1-quadrillion-becquerels-into-pacific-from-fukushima-wastewater
    The damage to the Pacific Ocean from Fukushima has been greatly understated all along. Essentially, we have over 200 tons of nuclear fuel from Reactor1,2,&3 outside of containment, and out in nature. Not to mention the fuel from spent fuel pools. Since Fukushima is ON the Ocean, most of the melted fuel is now IN the Ocean. More contamination is leaking from Corium1,2,&3 into the Ocean minute by minute, day by day. Cleaning up the wreckage, and "decommissioning" the reactor buildings will NOT recapture the melted fuel that has GONE into nature. Before Fukushima, it was announced that each of us have a 50/50 chance of coming down with Cancer in our lifetimes. After Fukushima, I can only imagine that our chances of getting Cancer are now up to 75%. For what? For a few MW of electricity? To build a little more stuff to sell to us? SHAME! CRIMINAL!


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    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      "…to prevent the fuel from melting and burning again."
      By the way, vary small amounts of corium splatter can go critical.
      I use the term "corium splatter" because about 220 tons of melted fuel are no longer to be found inside Reactor Buildings1,2,&3, leaving only "splatter" behind, on the walls and wreckage of Containments1,2,&3.
      You might think:
      "Since nearly all the melted fuel has long ago left Containments1,2,&3, is there any need to cool the corium splatter left behind?"
      It is perhaps instructive to go back to the beginnings of atomic warfare to find an answer to this question.
      How much of the uranium in the Little Boy Bomb was responsible for the destruction of the CITY of Hiroshima, with the immediate loss of 90,000 men, women, and children?
      "Approximately 600 to 860 MILLIGRAMS of matter in the bomb was converted into the active energy of heat and radiation (see mass–energy equivalence for detail). It exploded with an energy of 16 kilotons of TNT."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy
      Now a gram of uranium is a piece less than the size of a pea.
      There are hundreds of Kilograms of corium splatter left in Reactor Containments1,2,&3 at Fukushima Diiachi.
      And, while none of it is in the configuration of the uranium in the Little Boy Bomb, and cannot explode,
      The corium splatter can go critical,
      Again and again,
      To enter the atmosphere as smoke and steam,
      And contaminate the ground water, which flows a short time later into the Pacific…


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  • farawayfan farawayfan

    Considering the number of nuclear reactors currently rusting on the ocean floor: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_nuclear_submarines), our oceans are already in for a slow and deadly nightmare of contamination as they break down over the centuries. This just speeds up the process a bit.


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  • ruppert

    I always wondered from watching the rusting barrels and the waste dumped into the oceans from the Greenpeace video why we have not seen more of a spike in radiation levels even before Chernobyl.

    Many countries had been dumping nuclear waste in the oceans for decades even before Chernobyl. There's that French nuclear plant that is currently allowed to dump it's waste (from land).
    I think it's name is "La Hague".

    Are we seeing the higher radiation levels from Fukushima because they are that much worse or is it more because we never really paid attention?

    I guess it's a moot point but I'm just curious.


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    "The thing I had greatly feared has come to pass."

    Dear Friends,

    Awoke in tears this morning after a very poor night's rest. The weather here has that ominous wearther-engineering look about it to the west. The giant spoke-like appearance of the clouds in the sky, with the hollow center. The eye of the tpoke cloud (th center being empty) likely sits over Vallejo, California.

    At times like this I have to wonder if (perhaps sounding like Deke of the F'in News) we're not experiencing an engineered mass-mind control event. Get the folks psyched out, you know, while you're gettin' ready to let 'er rip with some rip-roaring event, served au Tepco, et a la Hilary et Abe.

    Pardon me, but my mind is blown this morning. I'm having difficulty refraining from using profanity. Not a good sign.

    Honestly people, I awoke feeling like I needed to get on my knees. After reading this article, I have a good sense of why this happened. We all need a miracle.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Pattie B, Peter, do you or does anyone else have access to reliable air monitoring, starting now, and lasting at least until the air masses isn the jet flow pass over Europe (and preferably back into China mainland and Japan?

      I'm very sorry, friends here, but I can barely contain my sadness this morning.

      It's a very major thing to have such a sta'ement as radical as, Japan Times: "Discharges of Fukushima nuclear material into Pacific “have effectively contaminated the sea' — Melted reactor cores will burn again if water not perpetually poured in — “Tepco proposing some of it be dumped into ocean” Japan Times stating, "

      Giant ongoing phreatic venting event, anyone? Are you game for radioactive lava du jour and its by products.

      If your reasoning is like mine, you're likely thinking something like, "We know where the cores are, and we're dumping water on them," (no doubt creating endless radioactive steam). "The sea is effectively contaminated." Translation: the sea has been very effectively contaminated.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        We are so very sorry to have dealt the possible death blow to you and all your progeny. So very sorry. I hear the silent, unexpressed regret. Hopefully there is also silent shame, shame so deep it drives one to seek release from the dark depths of the blackened personal soul. I do not mean to take one's own life, rather to seek to know what would cause one to hold one's head up and be able to look others straight on, without guile.

        OK, I'm going to take some deep breaths. Am not able to be scientific this morning. This is deeply disturbing. Instead taking refuge in the pen, which was and is said to be mightier than the sword. And so, foul doers, be disembowled by the word which convicts your soul, and fall to your knees. You need to be remade in the image of one mightier than what your puny manhood came to be.

        And now I'll take another deep breath and will read and absorb your comments and thoughts. My apologies if I need to apologize for rather letting loose here ….


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Awoke feeling the air was just poisonous.

      Have had a lot of odd rashes, itching, blistering skin on my legs, lately. And my state of mind is affected. It's almost like I'm just catching an unpleasant vibration on the air, but the weather (clouds) have a really nasty look and feel to them this morning.

      And for those of you who ken how these clouds are formed and their formation, it has the signature of a giant HAARP wheel. I don't know what's being unleashed or where (in terms of energy), but I think the vortex to the west of me is directing the energy (diverting it?) somewhere.

      Just read about the two mile wide tornado which destroyed a large swath of Oklahoma City. There are evil things going about. Be aware, be prepared. I'm sheltering indoors today and until I feel things are "cleaner" outside.

      I wonder if people can detect radiation by noting changes in their mental status? Don't know how to describe it, but it almost feels like the weather (incoming storm) is sucking in a big bunch of dirty bomb-poo.

      SOOOO hope I'm wrong. I don't get this "bent" often. Just can't help wondering why I'd sleep so badly, wake up so anxious (and the weather is so strange), then read an article which almost sounds like a confession the Pacific Ocean is toast.

      Forgive me, please if I'm wrong, but I just looked at Abe's picture, and he looks like a comic Gangsta boss.

      Kind of reminds me of a Fukushima Diary article.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Sorry, that was EXSKF.

        http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2013/05/belgiums-two-nuclear-reactors-with.html

        SUNDAY, MAY 19, 2013

        "Belgium's Two Nuclear Reactors with Cracks Are Good to Restart, Minister Says Government Does Not Have Power To Interfere with "Independent" Regulator and Operator"

        I get the feeling the nuclear industry is doing the utter defiance routine. We'll do whatever we please until you MAKE US STOP.


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        • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

          Makes me so friggin a shamed to live here , its official now people , the government admit it can not protect us against nuclear … checkmate… but keep sponsoring the whole zombie cirkus with your taxmoney … So the governments can keep protecting the industry's from its victim's…
          Untill the governments can no longer protect themselfes from the military-industrial dictatorship.
          Extinction… or… a tought control device with gps in your brain from birth..
          Tough choice.. or not.. are there still other choice's ?


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          • m a x l i

            The government has (supposedly) no say in the decision to restart, the power companies can make money until the nuclear power plants violently say goodbye. Then the government will be in demand again, which means the taxpayer/the victims have to pay for their own compensation and for cleanup plus decommissioning.

            "Due to the huge costs of compensation and cleanup of the plant, TEPCO has declared bankruptcy and is under state control. The compensation money paid by TEPCO actually comes from the government."
            http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Nearly+crisishit+residents+outside+Fukushima+seek/8412576/story.html

            This will be the same in Japan or Belgium or anywhere in the world.

            Just imagine you run someone over with your car. Then the victims have to take of their hospital bills and for even greater humiliation you transfer the wrecked, useless car to them and say: "Keep it, it's yours now, take care of it!"


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            • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

              @Maxii

              "Then the government will be in demand again…"

              I don't think so. Actually, I think the government is not in control now, nor has it been for a many, many years. Those "power elite" are about to find out that this truly is an egalitarian society and that while they thought they would be safe (as power elites) they will not be. They may have to suffer to know this, but rest assured, they will know it in the end, and suffer they will. Unfortunately, those of us who are not such ignoramuses will join them involuntarily.

              Can you think how ignorant our leaders have to be to even consider a "permanent" place to store nuclear waste? If they were fully cognizant, they would be concerned for their children. They would stop producing nuclear waste. How corrupt must someone be to cause their own children to suffer and die?

              I live with insane ghouls and they control the system. Ho Taters, as my dying niece said to a tearful NP, "buck up soldier."


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    A paean to love, love, we all need love today. I woke up this morning and was compelled to hug my husband and hold onto him for all I was worth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYmeJlm7Gcg

    pae·an noun \ˈpē-ən\

    Definition of PAEAN

    1: a joyous song or hymn of praise, tribute, thanksgiving, or triumph
    2: a work that praises or honors its subject : encomium, tribute

    Let us make our time here count.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      From the song, "You and I," by Yes.

      " Changed only for a sight the sound, the space agreed
      Between the picture of time behind the face of need
      Coming quickly to terms of all expression laid
      Emotion revealed as the ocean maid
      All complete in the sight of seeds of life with you

      Oh, coins and crosses never know their fruitless worth
      Cords are broken locked inside the mother earth
      They won't hide, they won't tell you
      Watching the world, watching all of the world
      Watching us go by "

      OK, time to venture forth and make a day.


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    • HalfKin HalfKin

      Ho Taters –
      I’m feeling your pain.
      I left this board, (under a different name that I have since lost the log info for,) and spent some time over at different preparedness sites. Because I wanted to PRETEND that I could do something to survive this!
      But I got tired of that too, as so many do not see or believe the nuclear threat that takes out all efforts to survive disasters.
      Then one day, after setting up my emergency supplies to get me through a short/medium lived disaster scenario, (baring tornados that take everything, I feel very sad for people in those paths,) I arrived at a sense of Peace.
      I have done small steps to insure my family is taken care of for local emergencies and beyond that, it is out of my control.
      I wake up every day, grateful for another day to enjoy my grand children, who I believe have no future.
      I get to see my adult children that help me every day in my garden or my home, and we play board games and listen to music together or watch corny comedy movies.
      I eat the local food, can jam and make wine.
      Then I toast another day of living!
      These ARE the good ole days.
      It will not get better than this.
      We are circling the drain, some areas faster than others.
      Appearances around me are ‘normal.’
      People have jobs, the farms around me are flourishing, we have no lack of, or too much water, and things are green and beautiful.
      Be in your moment and take a breath, for these are OUR times and we will live now, and eventually perish.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Even now that fukeshima has become an ELE and our fates are clear. The same fools who pushed the peaceful atom continue in so many ways destroying us all.They have nothing better to do. Still worried about over population??Worried about preventing abortion?
      Worried about keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy gorgons?


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Post-Fukushima Almonds Are Small!
    Has anyone else noticed this phenomena?
    People where I live like to eat California nuts.
    Planters Deluxe Mixed Nuts used to have large almonds.
    After Fukushima, they are tiny little things.
    My friends have tried other brands of mixed nuts, but all the almonds are small.
    (Probably full of cesium, as well.)
    There was an article early on after 3/11 about mis-shapened almonds:
    http://thealmonddoctor.com/almond/odd-kernel-shapes/
    Farmers blame la nina, irrigation water, etc.
    But the size of almonds seems not to have recovered from Fukushima fallout, as it has in past events.
    Even the maple leaves in my yard in the Midwest had purple splotches in 2011 and 2012 from Iodine131.
    Nut trees in California were also heavily dosed from Fukushima.
    For now, the almonds remain small.
    I used to love Planters Mixed Nuts.
    :(


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    • Wreedles Wreedles

      The problem with radioactive fallout is that it's ubiquitous and cumulative.

      I've pretty much made up my mind not to worry about what I'm eating. After all, in lieu of using mass-spectrometer readings on everything I want to put into my mouth, I cannot tell what's contaminated and what isn't.

      It's not like anyone in authority is watching out for us.

      So, can't be avoided, may as well enjoy.

      Am I harming my health? Almost certainly, yes.

      Do I care? Meh…

      I'm OK with it. Your mileage may vary.


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      • combomelt combomelt

        "Nowhere to run to baby, nowhere to hide". Impossible to know whats in the air everywhere around you at any given time.
        Mileage was great until 3/11. I just have to keep changing the oil and air filter every 50 miles


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        • many moons

          Trying not to sound like a conspiracy theorist
          but, does anyone else think that it's quite the coincidence that radioactivity…impossible to detect without a Geiger, impossible to see, impossible to taste, hear, feel….and so extremely toxic to all living organisms, yet huge plants that manufacture radioactive materials exist in almost every state in the USA and many places in many countries in the world….certainly is an easy way to eliminate a lot of people…we can't run from it, we can't fight it, no way to protect ourself…..and here it comes.


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          • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

            I've been thinking about that many moons ;)

            I think it is more of a side effect they welcome than planned , i mean , where it kills humans , it kills everything else.. for a long time . So as a plan to ease the burdon on the resources off the planet.. can not compute..
            Even a coma-drunk overdosed paris hilton or something could not be This Anti-Anticipating … i think (hope)..


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            • many moons

              But what if there was a planned release of radioactivity that had a short half life. Certain people who knew about the event could protect themselves by going into under ground bunkers for let say 60 days, while the rest of us would be effected by the radiation.


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              • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                Not just the rest of us i think many moons , but the rest of us + everything of what surrounds us Both alive and dead . I mean temparily sterilyzed is still sterilyzed , of all higher lifeforms aka foodchains aka usable resources , in that "spot" on the globe .
                Also the bigger the spot , how longer it will take .
                I think when levels are lethal everywhere on the crust , only extremophiles will survive . If any , because Earth will do her own thing when her conditions has chanched this dramatically , ..unknow. Could be a see of lava eruptions etc ..
                Cryotechnology to freeze and defrost to live entire foodchains for a few billion years does not exist yet , so we are not extremophile enough..
                Neither for space yet , without a outside "friendly hand" . That needs some shaking to do before taking in to consideration .
                It wil take this long Because a "sterilysed" reactor will also melt , and then they will become nuclear dominoes .. and that always result in an absolute and total los of contaiment of every poison on this planet , man-made , man-maintained that is.
                There is indeed a future in harvesting insects for food . Small micro farms maybe to support a family..?


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          • irhologram

            And built on fault lines, tsunami prone, practically held together by bailing wire, vulnerable to zombie rats, with nuke garbage on the roof, and tons of water over the electronic controls? Naaa. There's no way TPTB could do any better! They're just dumb fu**s, right? Sarc


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        • andagi andagi

          Dear combomelt,
          Thanks! 'Vintage' Martha and the Vandellas ;D
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbc-O_3_Ac
          Aloha.


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      • HalfKin HalfKin

        Wreedles
        "I've pretty much made up my mind not to worry about what I'm eating. After all, in lieu of using mass-spectrometer readings on everything I want to put into my mouth, I cannot tell what's contaminated and what isn't."

        My best course of action at present is to grow it, buy local, and avoid GMO's and pesticides as much as possible. What else can one do?

        Enjoy the best and don't worry about the rest.
        Today is a good day to live!


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        • Wreedles Wreedles

          Well spoken. Yes, that's pretty much what we've been doing since 2011. But it can get tiresome. My breeding days are over, so I'm not worried about my piece of the Pattern. I know that with or without diligence, my lifespan has been shortened by the Spring of 2011. (after all, I was breathing…) So every once in a while, I just say 'Eff it' and eat a lobster. Just for old-times-sake.


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        • "…in lieu of using mass-spectrometer readings on everything I want to put into my mouth, I cannot tell what's contaminated and what isn't."

          I am NOT OKAY with it!!!

          It's not fair to children or to future generations.

          The contamination must stop, the lies must stop, and testing must be done. Anything less is suicide/genocide for the innocent lives that exist on our planet today and most assuredly for those who may come after us.

          We know, almost for certain, that if testing were done across the board, and the truth were told about radioactive contamination (fallout) the Nuclear Industry would be kaput.

          So I try to get the truth out, everyday.


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          • Wreedles Wreedles

            I agree with you, and I try to get the word out too.

            Unfortunately, I usually get one of two responses:

            1) Either they *violently* reject the message (with and without similar attacks on the messenger) or,

            2) Their eyes glaze over.

            Sadly, I can count the times I've gotten a thoughtful 'Oh wow, really? Where can I go to learn more about this?' response on one hand.

            But I keep trying. There isn't really anything else to do; as We Not They Finally brilliantly noted above, I refuse to be complicit through silence.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    HoTaters, you might want to listen to the music in the latest iPhone ad. http://www.apple.com/iphone/videos/#tv-ads-photos-every-day
    Just listening to this simple tune makes me happy, even on dard days.
    Some day soon, I will teach myself to play this happy little tune.
    Be as happy as you can.
    Love your family.
    Enjoy the company of all you meet.
    Listen to sweet music!
    Peace.
    :)


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  • ruppert

    @HoTaters,

    Yes was my favorite band all through high school and the song "And You And I" was my favorite song next to Awaken. It was not until much later in my life that I understood the spiritual nature of Jon Anderson's lyrics. I was blind to the meaning and to this day can't believe I did not see it then.

    A day didn't go by without listening to that song when I was in high school.

    I still get chills when I hear the lyric "All Complete in the Sight of Seeds of Life With You"

    I must have seen them perform easily 12 times.

    Thank you for reminding me


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    • Wreedles Wreedles

      I've seen them a couple or three times myself. Still one of my all-time favs. Them and Renaissance, but that's a story for another day…

      I can still remember reading 'Way of the Peaceful Warrior' at the very beginning of my spiritual awakening. I had no idea what he was talking about at the time, I just knew it was something important. Of course, now when I go back and read it, I'm like, 'OMG how could I have not understood this?!?' What I've come to understand is that our ability to comprehend spiritual information is contingent on our spiritual condition.

      I don't know about you, but I was a raging ball of hormones, alcohol, and existential angst in high school, which adversely impacted my spiritual condition, thus making me blind to the spiritual information around me.


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        Yes yeees , the "Way of the Peacefull Warrior" i have that book and the next one too somewhere ,
        aaah the memories… 20 years ago by now or something , i really should dive in my collection
        one of these day's , so many books i have that i still didden't read..

        Thank you Wreedles , lol sounds like "read less" , aah the humor of the Universe… ;)


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        • Wreedles Wreedles

          Lol, I hadn't noticed that, but I can see how it sounds like 'read-less', which is ironic, because I am a constant, life-long, voracious reader.

          For the record, I usually pronounce it 'ree-dulls.' Or, I also answer to 'Wree.' <grin>

          As to the books, they’re great re-sources.

          What I’ve come to realize is that every path that makes an honest effort to explain our relationship to the world around us has, at its core, the same message.

          Sometime the message is pure, clear, and true. Other times, the message is obscured by centuries of additions and subtractions from self-serving agendas. As one of my favorite authors says, there's no way not to get there, some paths are just more work to navigate than others.


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  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    Another momentary diversion:

    "Tuesday Afternoon"
    Many thanks to the Moody Blues

    http://www.songstube.net/video.php?title=Tuesday%20Afternoon&artistid=10441&artist=Moody%20blues&id=182585

    Enjoy!
    Peace & love, Philip
    :)


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  • We Not They Finally

    What exactly does "melting and burning again" MEAN? Is that what is called "re-criticality"? Does it mean that the fissioning never ever stops going into chain reaction, but that the water at least keeps that from exploding right into the air? And hundreds of tons of water per day ongoing and forever WILL gradually turn larger portions of the sea radioactive, yes? It has to. And at what rate? And does it kill the plankton first, both starving and poisoning the food chain upwards? And if they are confessing as much as they are now, what is REALLY happening? And will the massive chain of human denial ever break? Or will people just get sicker and sicker, and every year or so there will be a "new normal"? We see people getting more depressed in their posts for this article especially. We totally relate. It just gets more and more surreal.


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    • Sol Man

      I'm quite sure that it means that no one can say that this is not ELE. Dominoes up from the plankton. Nobody wants to speak the truth.
      Very low long time with progeny a long way away.


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      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        WNTF:
        Radiation bio-accumulated UP the food chain.
        Small doses in zoo plancton become large doses in top preditors.

        Radiation kills only at high doses.
        Low doses cause genome damage, mutation, cancer, and death.

        Radiation damage accumulates in later generations.
        We might be OK, even though 75% of us may get cancer in our lifetimes.
        Our children will fare less well,
        And their children will be heavily damaged by gene mutation,
        Unable to perform effectively as contributors in society.
        When the institutions of society break down, civilization is lost.
        Japan is on its way to becoming a third world nation.
        Perhaps we downwinders will follow them.


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        • Tim42

          Bio-accumulation is a good reason to reduce meat consumption.

          Here are some of the precautions I took after 3/11..

          Bought a chest freezer.. Purchased and stored several hundred pounds of frozen vegis and rice harvested during the previous growing season.

          Purchased boxes dried skim milk(10 gallons worth). Same goes for Canned and dry'd goods..

          Purchased and installed new carbon activated water filters for my frig and kitchen sink dispenser. (if they remove 97% of the Chlorine content, it will do the same for radioactive elements.)

          Purchased new air high efficiency air filters for my AC. Doubled it up with a washable per-filter(preserves the effectiveness of the primary filter).

          Refrained from going outside when I smelled heavy metal content of the CsI fallout. (Kept the windows closed).. Smell disappeared after first heavy rain. But, if their are any nearby wildfires I will repeat the drill.

          Purchased/used medical face masks to use for the next month or so.. (removed 80%, which is better than nothing.)

          Began adding mineral supplements to my daily diet, Iodine(adult vitamins), Calcium, Potassium(nu-salt & low-salt).. Lifetime..

          Avoid purchasing food products from the US west coast for at least the next ten years. (at least 4 to 5x more contamination than the east coast).


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oh..a player in the field..

    Lessons from the Fukushima Nuclear Plant Crisis
    May 23 2013

    http://www.pr.com/press-release/492840

    "Findings suggest a range of responses between over-reaction fueled by worst-case scenarios and inaction driven by uncertainty. The reactions of various agencies to the Fukushima incident provide examples of both extremes such as overly large evacuation zones and delays in decision-making."

    Carefully chosen words..

    Dr. Julie Pullen – Bio, Maritime securities Laboratory

    "She was a principal investigator on a Department of Homeland Security grant to improve prediction of CBR dispersion in New York City by integrating multi-scale modeling of air, sea, and buildings. Additionally, Dr. Pullen was a member of the management team for the midtown Manhattan 2005 Urban Dispersion Program tracer release study, the largest of its kind in the U. S.

    She was previously a science fellow at Stanford's Center for International Security and Cooperation where she was a member of the external evaluation committee for the national Top Officials 2 Full Scale Exercise (TOPOFF-2)."

    http://archive.stevens.edu/ses/msl/pullen.html

    She knows what's up alright..just to "well connected" to tell the truth.

    Vulnerability Assessment and Protection Option (VAPO)

    http://www.ara.com/sed/p_VAPO.htm

    Sh'e into CBR dispersal..what a gal..


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