Japan Times: “Alarming estimate of cancer fatalities… 1 million extra deaths” — Nobody mentions krypton and xenon that poured from Fukushima plant, says Gundersen — 2-3 times greater than Chernobyl

Published: September 15th, 2012 at 10:08 pm ET
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Title: ‘The government could still save lives’
Source: The Japan Times Online
Author: DAVID MCNEILL
Date: Sep. 16, 2012

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Experts waved away fears about radiation, cabinet ministers scoffed at comparisons to Chernobyl, and the word “meltdown” itself was effectively scoured from the media.

Some observers, however, were quick to hit the panic button. One of the best known was U.S. antinuclear campaigner Arnie Gundersen, who predicted that the disaster would lead to 1 million extra deaths from cancer.

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Gundersen, a nuclear engineer, says [the official release amount is] an underestimate. He puts the release of cesium at about half that of Chernobyl, and says little attention has been paid to radioactive gases, Xenon and Krypton, which poured out of the No. 1 plant in quantities “two to three times” greater than the 1986 Ukraine meltdown. He is sticking to his original alarming estimate of cancer fatalities.

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Gundersen bases much of his assessment of Fukushima on what he learned from America’s worst nuclear accident, the 1979 partial meltdown at the Three Mile Island plant in Pennsylvania. As an expert witness during the probe that followed, Gundersen said the official estimate of radioactive releases there was also much too low. “You have to remember, we don’t know how much radiation was released. It’s guys like me who have to calculate it.” His assessment upped the official radiation figure for the accident by five times. “I’m dead sure that’s too low,” he says, adding that he believes the true figure could be 15 times higher than the industry estimate.

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He cites the work of Steve Wing, an epidemiologist who says he has tracked 10,000 extra deaths from lung cancer in the first six to seven years after the accident.

“The same gases (Xenon and Krypton) that caused those cancers leaked out of the containment vessel at the Daiichi (No. 1) plant,” he says. “Nobody is talking about it.” He says the gases quickly disperse and are notoriously hard to measure. Other emissions are more straightforward. Plutonium is heavy and does not widely disperse. Cesium is relatively easy to track.

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28 comments to Japan Times: “Alarming estimate of cancer fatalities… 1 million extra deaths” — Nobody mentions krypton and xenon that poured from Fukushima plant, says Gundersen — 2-3 times greater than Chernobyl

  • arclight arclight

    gundie did a cracking interview here.. thought to add this…

    "…An embassy in Tokyo — he declines to say which — sent his team filters from a rooftop system built to withstand a chemical, biological or nuclear attack. "The filters too were loaded with cesium, not as bad as Fukushima but still very serious." He says Fairewinds is now asking ordinary Japanese householders to send vacuum-cleaner bags, to sample house dust. "We've found one that's 120 km from the site and it's 100,000 becquerels per kilogram. That's the highest, but we've found many samples in the 20,000 to 30,000 becquerel range. In Japan, people sleep on the floor, so the internal exposure is significant. But the Japanese government and the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) are not looking at this at all."…"


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  • pierre

    Gundersen "The problem is there are 130 million people (sic) in Japan," he said on a recent visit to Tokyo. "A third of them will die from cancer in the next 30 years. One million more is less than 2 percent — are you going to find it?""
    how about the mutation rates in 1 or 2 generations, like the butterflies already, countless.
    then there's the kids and young people who don't get old enough to get 'normal' cancer.
    and it's not over yet, is it folks?


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  • Sickputer

    Arnie says cesium releases are half of Chernobyl. I think that's hard to believe based on what we know of the past 18 months.

    Richard Muller at the WSJ also rates Chernobyl much higher in an August 2012 article. Here is an example of why he is non-persuasive;

    "Unlike at Chernobyl, the reactor at Fukushima did not explode. A buildup of hydrogen gas caused the upper building to explode, but the reactor itself survived the tsunami, turned itself off, and sat safely for several hours. Even though the chain reaction had stopped, there was enough radioactive material in the core to generate dangerous levels of heat, but cooling pumps initially kept the situation from getting out of hand."

    SP: "Reactor"? Singular Dr. Muller? Can you count to six or is that too difficult at Berkeley? Did you see the video of the worst of the FOUR building explosions? I am sure you did, but I guess you have reasons to parrot the US/Japanese lies.

    Muller also says about Chernobyl:

    "the largest public-health problem created by the Chernobyl accident was the psychological overreaction of residents, who had been traumatized by exaggerated fears of induced cancer and other defects."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443324404577595221606754192.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    SP: I excuse Arnie for his lowball estimate. I know he reads here, but I doubt he has the skills of computer research so many of us possess here at Enenews. I can't excuse the pseudo science of…


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  • "…little attention has been paid to radioactive gases, Xenon and Krypton." (I wonder why?)

    What other, possibly important, items of data are they ignoring or FAILing to mention?

    Why is it only the cancers and deaths are looked at? What about everything else?


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    "He puts the release of cesium at about half that of Chernobyl…"

    Okay, how can this be possible? How there be so many more reactors involved, spent fuel pools "on fire," etc., and yet half the amount of cesium?


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    • Does he mean total release or just release into the atmosphere? I could go along with Arnies assesment if he is talking about release to the air. I think a lot of the release went into the Pacific through cooling system water leaks/releases. Is Arnie counting that too?


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  • ForwardAssist ForwardAssist

    I wonder what public reaction would be if someone was to setup Diffusion Cloud Chambers in public places around Japan? A visual representation of the invisible threat might provide unique perspective to the skeptics. The concept of a half life period would be well illustrated in easy visual terms.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efgy1bV2aQo

    I wish there was a better selection of videos available which could highlight the disintegrations of the elements we are concerned with such as Cesium, Krypton, Xenon, etc.


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  • timebomb

    Deborah Dupree lying again. Claims this article says 4 million cancer deaths, not 1 million. Is she nuts or just crazy?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/fukushima-dire-warning-over-4-million-japanese-cancer-deaths

    Her Headline: "Fukushima dire warning: over 4 million Japanese cancer deaths"

    Reality: "Arnie Gundersen, who predicted that the disaster would lead to 1 million extra deaths from cancer." ….. "He is sticking to his original alarming estimate of cancer fatalities."

    She needs help!

    Stop the lies!


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    These cancer projections are very conservative and will end up being much greater and in my estimation at least by a 1000 times.

    All real scientists know and understand the mutagenic potential of radiation contamination concerning all biological life and the causal genetic DNA coding damage done by such exposures.

    We are in for a "health storm" of biblical proportions in the very near future from this recent event, which is the largest industrial accident ever unleashed on our Planet Earth.

    Future generations will weep over the genetic damaged caused by this massive volume and amount of radiation contamination now spreading around the globe from all sources.

    Mankind in his quest for understanding the unknown, has unleashed a dark plague onto the rest of the planet and all species that reside on planet Earth.

    None of this is rocket science and is very well documented in all past literature and reports.

    We have all been fools to allow a few supposed intellectuals to high jack our entire planet by bringing on such a dark plague for all future generations.

    It appears we are in the process of exterminating our entire planet and all the life that now resides on the surface of Planet Earth.

    Can this extermination process be stopped is the question and only if all nuclear technology is outlawed immediately.

    If we do not outlaw Nuclear Technology immediately, then we have had a good ride as a species while it lasted.

    Soon nothing will be left…


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    • VanneV anne

      I agree. The US is proceeding with MOX. The number of reactors which will be using MOX in the US will be much higher. The next "accident" is just waiting to happen. Can you really call it an accident when we know it will happen? These accidents have been predicted for decades. Not only is it wiping out all life on earth which in itself is a great insanity, nuclear power is extremely expensive and is bankrupting the world and will also cause great numbers of people to starve to death. Not just insanity, but also the greatest stupidity.


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    • kintaman kintaman

      Agree fully and often say the same to others who in turn look at me like I am nuts or throwing a wet blanket on their happy lives. We humans are so bloody stupid, all of us.


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    • vital1 vital1

      Because radiation contamination weakens the immune systems of animals and humans, we could see viruses that would normally be under check become more infectious, or a mutation of a virus strain that becomes more infectious.

      There are a lot of animals presently dying in large numbers from strange infections worldwide. Seals, turtles and birds are just a few I have heard about.

      These virus infections may be killing them only because their immune systems have been weakened from the radiation contamination in the first place.

      We could equally see pandemics in the human population, or epidemics like the pneumonia epidemic in Japan last year.

      In the long term more people may die from the indirect effects of the radiative contamination, as a result of the weakened immune systems or virus mutations.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      @obewan;I agree in essence with everything you said EXCEPT that "we've had a good ride as a species while it lasted"-no we haven't actually-and it's proven by our track record of one step forward=2 steps back regarding humankind's inability to handle responsibility,technology & power and in just over half a century of so-called scientific "advances"(?)they managed to throw away EVERYTHING-including all of us in the process! People into UFO stuff like to speculate as to what the E.T.'s think of us and many like to assume they would "help" us?!!~In my opinion-they're just making sure we don't reach the level which would allow us to "infect" their own home planets and would squash us like bugs before allowing that to happen! Even though we probably "entertain" INTELLIGENT other-worldly life forms,they'd logically consider us a threat & view us like the cockroaches we are & are grateful that we're gonna self-destruct long before we could pose a threat to their world(s). If they did "invade" Earth and declare war on humanity they'd probably get much thanks & gratitude from the rest of the universe for getting rid of the "scourge"-US!!Maybe they read ENE and will invite many of our ranks to "Go Home with E.T."?!!LOL :)


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Kintamin I have come to the conclusion that all of us humans are simply bat-shit crazy, including myself.

    We think we are sane, but none of us are, since we have been programmed to think a certain way from birth. All of us have been born into this Zeitgeist Paradigm and its sad to see the glazed eyes inside the heads of all you come into contact with concerning such matters of utmost importance.

    Distraction = Profits and often at the expense of other people's misery. Thus the glazed eyes and the billions of sheep and cattle that now are enslaved inside a system they did not ask for and that was created for them by somebody else.

    Reality is simply a perception and sadly the world's perception has been poisoned on and for a purpose. Someday hopefully we as a species will come to our senses. We are not that special. We need to get over ourselves and become clearly rational in all our thought patterns.

    Progress is not necessarily a good thing and this fact could not be any clearer when it comes to this nuclear dark plague now enveloping our planet.

    I weep for mankind's stupidity because we see it play out everywhere around us and now the entire Middle East is the next and latest Zeitgeist Paradigm to solve.

    Stupid is as Stupid does or allows to be done in their name.


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    • 6feetunder 6feetunder

      The Asch Experiment

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRh5qy09nNw&feature=related

      Experiments led by Solomon Asch of Swarthmore College asked groups of students to participate in a "vision test." In reality, all but one of the participants were confederates of the experimenter, and the study was really about how the remaining student would react to the confederates' behavior.
      Each participant was put into a group with 5 to 7 "confederates" (people who knew the true aims of the experiment, but were introduced as participants to the naive "real" participant). The participants were shown a card with a line on it, followed by another card with 3 lines on it labeled A, B, and C. The participants were then asked to say which line matched the line on the first card in length. Each line question was called a "trial". The "real" participant answered last or next to last. For the first two trials, the participant would feel at ease in the experiment, as he and the confederates gave the obvious, correct answer. On the third trial, the confederates would all give the same wrong answer. There were 18 trials in total and the confederates answered incorrectly for 12 of them. These 12 were known as the "critical trials". The aim was to see whether the real participant would change his answer and respond in the same way as the confederates, despite it being the wrong answer.

      3 buildings 2 planes And our survey said: It was nineteen cave dwellers in Iraq er…


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    • Maggie123

      Obewanspeaks – Good discussion launch! I'm going to reply on "bat-shit crazy" in the OT discussion. :)


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    6feetunder, yes, I must chuckle, since I would not have ever conformed to the Asch group actors.

    I have never felt things were quite right, while living on this planet we call Earth.

    Its a great show if you like fiction…


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Vital1,
    Your eyes are not glazed and you see very clearly the ramifications of the term called
    bioaccumulation.

    The process you discuss has begun and it is now spreading worldwide, only to get worse in the very near future. Hospital staff are very busy these days chasing these biological mutations.

    Weep for all biological life that will be negatively impacted by our mankind's intellectual folly.

    To think we as a species we still are at war with each other after eon's of existence on this planet.

    War must be very profitable for the few who promote such behaviors.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      To ALL ENE'ers here for the "right" reason(s); "I'm proud of each and every one of you"!!,I wish that TPTB and those who choose to ignore,dismiss,even ridicule the thoughtful "handful" of us who recognize and speak out against the disgusting nuclear industry and their ilk would re-join those of us who recognize how foul the technology and people who know and STILL defend them would think of others for a change! It's so obvious that the only people who would still support nuclear crap are either "paid" by them or too stupid to grasp reality & think for themselves! ~I don't make any claims to be a "brainiac" or have ego issues(obviously,I hope!)-but I think I'm smart enough to know when I'm in over my head and I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong-somehow these pro-nuke pukes didn't hear their number & missed out when the Creator was endowing others with common-sense,logic and certain survival instincts-otherwise things wouldn't be anything like what's being "imposed" on the rest of us who DO give a shit and have a sense of morality regarding where their paychecks come from!~ So I'll log off for now and head to the hospital to be with my wife after she was admitted yesterday in bad shape after doing so well regarding her Stage 3B Inflammatory Breast Cancer she'd already endured chemotherapy,radical mastectomy & had just 13 radiation therapy treatments left of the #35 ordered…hoping & praying the cancer hasn't metastasized?!!Keep up the good work…


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      • timebomb

        Best wishes.

        We must fight for those not able to do it themselves.


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      • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

        it's no consolation Johnny Blade, but this is happening – in ways too innumerable to say here – everywhere now. My sister's in recovery right now. My next door neighbor is going through it. She told me (when she got the courage to face me) that she's discovered it's happening all over. I'm really saddened by this news. No matter what happens Johnny, know that you're on the side of life and all our prayers go out to you and yours…


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