Japan Times: Extreme contamination in Fukushima reactor buildings ‘most likely’ mixing into aquifer, reveals Tepco — Bloomberg: Could this flow downstream to Tokyo and present a big risk? (VIDEO)

Published: August 26th, 2013 at 10:27 pm ET
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UPI, August 22, 2013: TEPCO said late Wednesday that radiation levels in groundwater are so high the most likely explanation is that radioactive water from the plant’s cooling system is leaking from the reactors into basements and mixing with water from local aquifers,The Japan Times reported.

World Nuclear Industry Status Report 2013: An expert reactor engineer estimated the amount of radioactivity that had seeped into the water that fills the basement of the reactor buildings [...] as of 20 November 2012 [is] Cesium-137: 276 PBq (i.e. 40 percent of the reactor core inventory) [...] about 2.5 to 3.3 times, depending on the estimate, the total amount released into the environment from the Chernobyl accident.

Bloomberg News, August 22, 2013 – (At 2:15 in) Host: Is there any risk that gets into the downstream water supply? Could this flow downstream to Tokyo and present a big risk? [...] Michael Friedlander, Nuclear Engineer: I’m not a hydrologist [...] But certainly anytime you have contamination in the aquifer by diffusion process and by the normal underground flows of water, who knows where it’s going to end up at.

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76 comments to Japan Times: Extreme contamination in Fukushima reactor buildings ‘most likely’ mixing into aquifer, reveals Tepco — Bloomberg: Could this flow downstream to Tokyo and present a big risk? (VIDEO)

  • Robin of Loxley

    Tokyo's groundwater supply becoming contaminated was always a big risk. If this does eventually happen, the 40+ million people in Tohoku will not be supportable. But it's still too early to say if the aquafiers are connected. Time will tell.


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  • MichaelV MichaelV

    "…who knows where it's going to end up at", is not a lot very scientific answer.


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  • kez

    http://m.phys.org/news/2013-08-fukushima-whack-a-mole-minister.html

    Not sure if been posted but thought everyone would appreciate the "whack a mole" analogy.


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  • W8R W8R

    "Most likely"
    Really??
    Where did they think we thought 1200 tons of radiated water was going?
    The moon? Of course it is in the aquifer and the ocean.
    Too little, way too late.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Wow. Who gave you THAT outlandish UNDER-estimate? It's more like 1000 tons of toxic water PER DAY!!

      By the way, has the whole Tokyo population stopped eating FISH? Hardly. They don't need to be on site at Fukushima. Eating the fish off that coast alone is deadly.

      So they don't TELL them so as not to cause a panic? They won't be panicked by epidemics of illness? It's all mind-boggling –not just the facts of it, but the utter lack of HUMANITY from the start. Those poor people.


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      • jec jec

        Edidemics of Illness..remember all the new Japanese/Tokyo rules for taking over transportation networks, to control who uses them..supposedly for the FLU and people in panic flooding the roadways? BET NOW they are starting to wonder about this in the large cities….no way to move, no way to travel..scary scenario. The movies and 'war games' about zombies..might be a word play. Just saying its terrible to think of the aquifers becoming contaminated. Someone IS checking the water daily? Right? One hopes Reverse Osmosis water systems are being used for all drinking water; RO is one way to remove some radiation particles. And yes, lots of radioactive 'sludge'..which means humans processed it…in Tokyo, in Japan. No word on USA or other country human sludge being tested, but might be a good idea.

        The idea is not to panic..the idea is to see what is factual, to do as much as possible to help the people already exposed, and to find a way to stop or try and stop further radiation contamination. No finger pointing..facts..plans to help those exposed..ways to stop further damage. Not simple, and may not be doable, for any of us. But better than ignoring the damage…..its there and growing worse.


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  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    Shortly after 3-11, there was a lot in the news about radioactive sludge in the sewers. Anyone know the latest on that?


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  • Ron

    You know, there's only so much fresh water in the world. Something like 1-2% of all water (including frozen at the poles). Nukes can't use salt water, so they have to use fresh. Is it desalinated? I'm wondering if anyone has done a study of how much of the world's fresh water is being utterly wasted on hopelessly trying to keep Fukushima cool?

    Think of it. All this mess from just one plant! Then remember that there are 500 of them scattered throughout the world. If one were TRYING to destroy life on this planet he couldn't have planned it much better than this strategic placement of nukes all over the planet just waiting for an accident. Really boggle the mind the way politicians and others let themselves be bullied by these cretins.


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    • We Not They Finally

      They actually resorted to using salt water from the start! Remember the plant manager who just died of pancreatic cancer? He stayed early on to cool the plant with salt water because he thought that it had to be cooled with SOME water even if the result was corrosion.

      And they stupidly, arrogantly, built the plant right over an aquifer!! Talk about messing up fresh water…. Like drink at your own risk.


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    • We Not They Finally

      By the way, Ron, Shinzo Abe is not one of the one being bullied. He's one of the "cretins" DOING the bullying. He's the worst possible person doing the worst possible things at the worst possible time, and the orders are coming from HIM.


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    • starspire starspire

      Yes, Ron. Sad and True;(


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Measurements will show the spread of radiation. Just check the water, everywhere.


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  • We Not They Finally

    The authors of these articles know nothing of CORIUMS? Or MELT-THROUGHS? They think that water from WITHIN the reactors sunk down to the groundwater? Who gets to tell them the REALLY bad news? Like coriums meets aquifer?


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  • Sickputer

    Bloomberg conjecture about groundwater flowing from the nuclear complex to interior areas of Fukushima is bogus. The Aizu region to the west (toward Tokyo) is very mountainous and water could not flow uphill. In elevation terms (not distance) it would be like Houston ground water trying to flow uphill to Durant, Oklahoma.

    Yet, there is serious danger to Tokyo from highly contaminated Fukushima Daiichi complex water reaching Tokyo by other means. Flowing down the coastline and washing up into Tokyo Bay. Another threat…typhoon winds whipping radioactive water into rain storms that reach all across central Japan.

    We known there has been significant wind fallout pollution from the nuclear complex upon the watershed areas of Tokyo. Very little information has been released since 2012 about the levels in Tokyo water supplies. There will be a frenzy if 40 million residents learn their water is growing worse with each passing day of an out of control spewing nuclear complex.


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    • We Not They Finally

      By frenzy," you mean "panic," yes? But it's ALREADY contaminated. Why didn't they plan on evacuating Tokyo right away to PREVENT that? Then they dumped nuclear waste right into Tokyo Bay! They seemed to think it was fine to have reckless mass murder in the works just so long as no one was TOLD about it? And just so long as people did not die RIGHT AWAY?


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    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Might be time to read up on a few areas..
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwater_intrusion
      http://www.worldwatch.org/node/481
      http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Water/Crisis_BG.html

      Maybe why some people are running around having their kids buying up rights to the world's fresh water supply?

      Always follow the money..


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    • MCBEKRL

      Sickputer – you claim water cant go uphill? Well how exactly does water come out of the tops of mountains as spring water??? Your analysis is shallow.

      The truth is that the movement of water underground is extremely complex, and yes, underground, water can certainly move uphill. This is a fact proven by every single spring water source on the planet, where water is actively moving upwards against gravity.


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      • Sickputer

        Yes, water under pressure can move uphill in confined aquifers. 50 years ago I might have considered that Fukushima Prefecture flow underground to Tokyo's aquifer was possible because the huge population had virtually depleted the Tokyo main aquifer. But groundwater restrictions and new water acquisitions relying on surface water sources led to an amazing recovery of the Tokyo deep aquifers. I seroiohsly doubt water moverment underground from 140 northeast at Daiichi will threaten Tokyo aquifers in this century. Longterm, it could be infiltrated.

        The radioactive sludge in Tokyo Bay from their insane dumping of incinerated Daiichi debris is far more likely to infiltrate the Tokyo deep water reservoirs.

        A good overview of water hydrology in Tokyo pages 5-7:

        http://dbx.cr.chiba-u.jp/NCP/papers/shimada_et_al2000.pdf


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        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          Water..(fluids) follow the path of least resistance…even upwards.
          The aquifer is fractured.
          Control efforts seems to involve the way the aquifer is supposed to work…with little consideration as to the actual condition of the aquifer.


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        • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

          Thanks SP, interesting link. What I gained from it is that Tokyo has a high recharge rate of its aquifer, comparatively speaking with other aquifers. How long does it take, eh…the answer is, it doesn't matter. Eventually, it will be there.

          As for groundwater under F-Daiichi, there's been a lot of pussy-footing around the issue, I think. It's well-stated that the basements are below sea-level, and that from the construction of the buildings they have been pumping out groundwater from those basements, right?

          Haha, so, there is no future date when the radioactive materials will reach the groundwater…the groundwater is IN the buildings. The groundwater is flowing THROUGH the buildings, most likely thousands of tons per day.

          People also say things like "it will be a long time before the radionuclides make it to groundwater…", because they seem to think that everything travels very slowly through the ground. The reality is, the water-soluable radionuclides are racing through the ground.


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  • We Not They Finally

    And they just FORGOT that they already deliberately contaminated Tokyo Bay with nuclear waste? Does the government even TEST in Tokyo? They think that Tokyo has been safe THUS FAR? That's mind-boggling.

    Even small samples from air filters in Tokyo way over a year back "would be classified as nuclear waste in the U.S.," said Arnie Gundersen. And he's not give to hyperbole. These people just seem almost clueless about REALITY.


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    • Robin of Loxley

      Your insightful thoughts are appreciated. But is continuously using caps in every one of your messages necessary? It's kind of annoying. Sorry, that's just my opinion.

      Anyway, what are the people in the Tokyo area supposed to do? You can't just transplant 40+ million people. It's logistically impossible, and things don't work that way in the real world. And yes, many people all over Japan are very worried. They don't trust Tepco or their government. Please try to refrain from blanket statements. Not everyone here in Japan is completely clueless, okay?

      The bottom of Tokyo bay has been tested positive for cesium by university and government researchers, and the levels appear to be slowly increasing due to washout from rivers into the bay.

      This is a great site, but there seems to be the trend in the comments towards myopic thinking and mass hysteria… end of the world, extinction level event, we have nothing more to live for, etc. It's obvious many commenters come here for their daily dose of adrenaline rush doom. I come here because I'm living right in the middle of it and need accurate info. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't the end of the world. But that doesn't mean we should stop living today- right now. There is still much to live for and be thankful for. Feeling depressed, and waiting around to die doesn't seem like living to me. It's not a question of if we will die, but rather when and how. Life is short enough as it is. Get out there and enjoy it…


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      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Robin of Loxley,

        Welcome and excellent advice.

        Your first hand experience inside Japan will be a welcomed addition.

        Please share away!


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        • Robin of Loxley

          Thanks. Iv'e been a regular reader since right afer 3/11. Lots of great info on this site. Actually, this is the site I come to first for breaking news. I think everyone has a right to feel a bit scared. This is a very serious accident with no end in sight. But mass paranoia and hysteria are destructive. Knowledge is power. All we can do is try and protect ourselves and families at a personal level. Meaning learning about radiation, spending the necessary money on sensitive spectroscopy equipment, and learning how to use that equipment to check food /drinks (plus determining what nuclides they may contain). The price has come down so much recently that there really is no excuse why most here don't have their own mini testing lab. Trust me, it goes a long way in removing the fear of the unknown. There's nothing worse than not knowing if the things you are eating and drinking are radioactive.


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          • Buffalojam

            Robin – Your thoughts and common sense approach to carrying on are like a breath of fresh, uncontaminated air, particularly, since it comes from someone living in what is perceived by most to be the area of most vulnerability. Best wishes and please keep us informed on how you are managing.


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            • Robin of Loxley

              Hello. Thank you. I hope I can contribute here. I see more and more comments sliding towards panic. And panic is the last thing we should be doing. I will be the last person to say this situation is not bad. But we are not helpless. There are things we can all do to protect ourselves on a personal level. Getting the necessary equipment, doing regular testing, avoiding most Pacific seafood (there.. I said it), eating healthy, getting enough exercise and sleep, meditation, being with the people you care about, and just enjoying life today. I guess I'm past the point of being afraid, because the stress was really making me sick. I finally realized it's just not worth worrying about things I can't control anymore. I still care, but now I focus on things I can control. I routinely test most food and drinks, and have gotten on with life… whatever may come. And I can tell you most of the foods and drinks I'm testing here in Japan are not radioactive (or they are below my detection capabilities- which at that very low level I don't even worry about it). But remember, I don't eat fish or seafood much anymore.


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              • bo bo

                Thank you robin.

                I must admit that I am guilty of sliding towards panic.
                I really want to get my family out of Tokyo.

                I have already accepted the fact that this is a huge train wreck in slow motion… but I guess I worry, as some said before, that the sliw-motion suddenly becomes fast forwarded. But you are right, there is no use sitting here biting our nails over thst scenario.

                My sister lived in chiba and she quietly left Japan.
                Because the issue causes so much conflict between people, she had to make it seem like she was 'just looking for a change'
                She told me she was surprised many who appeared to be apathetic or disinterested in the topic actually privately came to confess to her that they too, would love to leave, if they could, and that they support her decision to protect her son from harm. Women are more likely to feign this disinterest out if fear of conflict, so I wouldn't be quick to judge their cluelessness… however, things could indeed be different in Hokkaido. There is a little bit more distance from fukushima, and maybe many women really are clueless.

                There are many broken marriages because of differences in each person's perception of danger. It creates conflict, so I think -although some are truly clueless – many feign apathy or disinterest in discussing this topic. My family has been split too, the topic has created a deep divide among us and I am very sad.


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                • Robin of Loxley

                  Hi Bo. I totally understand how you feel. It is often a taboo topic, but if you can get people here to speak honestly, I think a lot of them really are scared. But a lot really don't seem to want to talk about it. And as you know, there's no quicker way to lose a friend or acquaintance if one is not careful. To be honest, I don't really talk about this disaster with anyone besides my Japanese wife.

                  And if you really love Japan and don't want to leave it, you might seriously consider moving to Hokkaido, Kyushu, or Okinawa. We do get a lot of Tohoku foods up here in the supermarkets- even Fukushima peaches and tomatoes! But having tested them a few times, I could detect no increased levels using my scintillator. We generally try to avoid any Fukushima foods, and most seafood from anywhere around Japan. If one of those fuel pools were to collapse and an uncontrollable radioactive fire started, the Tokyo area is the last place I'd want to be. There would be no quick way out of there. And also consider those videos showing various hotspots all over Tokyo and Chiba. That's another good reason to leave the Tohoku area. And according to Gunderson and Busby, hot particles are blowing around all over the place down there.

                  But there are ways you can try and protect your family. Regularly testing food and water with a scintillator, running an alarm-capable geiger counter 24 hours a day to monitor the air, avoiding most seafood, etc. If you have any questions or need…


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                  • Robin of Loxley

                    some suggestions regarding detection equipment or procedure, please ask.

                    By the way, I have not yet found any hotspots in Sapporo or central Hokkaido. So there is still hope.


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                    • bo bo

                      I am well aware of all those dangers in u.s., and have accepted long ago that the whole world is a massive trainwreck in motion. And yes, with the complete lack of safety standards food here is probably much hazardous than in the safer parts of japan, like hokkaido (food is amazing there, i have lived there for one winter) I have been a vegan for many years and try as much as possible to avoid GMO although really doubt the products that claim non GMO.

                      But like I said, I just worry about the possiblity of the impending fast forwarding of the train wreck.


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                  • bo bo

                    Thank you robin.
                    I myself live in Boston, my parents and my brother remain in Tokyo.

                    Friends around me here in Boston telling me not to panic (when I know that they get information about this from cnn/npr ) doesn't help.

                    But you living in Japan and owning a 1000 dollar geiger counter telling me to make sure to enjoy each day – have some weight. It has helped me. So thank you for your contribution.

                    I sympathize with wenottheyfinally too.
                    The rants are also a therapeutic process.
                    We here in the u.s. sometimes feel like screaming because people around us are so clueless to the situation.


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                    • Robin of Loxley

                      Sorry about the misunderstanding. I thought you were also still in Japan. It must be hard knowing your family is still located so close to the disaster. Maybe someday they can join you in the US.

                      And I totally can relate to what you are saying about people not seeming to care about what's going on. Lots of people anywhere just don't want to face the truth, especially when there is little we can do about it.

                      Being in the US, instead of worrying solely about Fukushima radiation, I'd probably be more worried about GMO foods, meat and milk pumped full of steroids, antibiotics, growth hormones, etc., plus the ever-growing long-term effects of invisible EMF/RF radiation. But of course we all still have to be careful about eating fish and other seafood.


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          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Robin,
            Since you live in Japan and have this expensive equipment and you are probably testing the food you buy and the water and beverages you drink, is there any way you can post this data collected once a week for us here?

            There are many concerns about the food/water in Japan by many here.

            Any thoughts!


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            • Robin of Loxley

              Well, I had thought about that, but I'm not really qualified to be saying what might be considered safe levels or not. What is even a safe level? It's too difficult for me to calculate becquerels per kilogram without having access to the really expensive equipment (plus my math sucks!). Besides, like I said, I'm not qualified to do so. It would actually be irresponsible for me to even try. I'm just an amatuer trying to protect me and my family. I guess I could simply post positive detections, and what isotopes were detected in which item. But I won't post brand names, because I don't want to open myself up to a lawsuit. I currently have two ways of testing, one is just a quick visual scan with my scintillator looking for any increased activity, and the other is a timed test using gamma spectroscopy looking to identify any energy spikes. But I need to get more lead shielding, because as of now the testing takes quite a while. The more lead shielding, the shorter the test time.

              And let me say one more thing. I also own an Inspector+ pancake tube geiger counter, and many times my scintillator has detected radiation real-time in food that my Inspector couldn't. Pancake tubes just are not sensitive enough for checking low level gamma radiation (cesium) in food. Most foods and liquids will block out the alpha and beta radiation (which the Inspector can detect well). That's why a gamma scintillator is necessary for checking foodstuff.


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              • Robin of Loxley

                Also, the Inspector+ can do timed counts to make it somewhat more sensitive, but this is risky because it's too easy to mistake natural radiation in foods for cesium. That's why gamma spectroscopy is so imporatant.

                And don't even get me started on all those paranoid YouTube videos, using Inspector+'s showing how dangerously radioactive the rain is in the US. It's most likely natural radon washout. They conveniently didn't test the same rainwater a few days later. If they had, the activity would have been nearly indetectable due to the quick radon decay.


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                • or-well

                  Robin of Loxley.
                  Hello & welcome.
                  I am assuming you are a Japanese-speaking expat from somewhere.
                  I hope from time to time, if you are able, you might share what your Japanese neighbours,friends and associates are expressing, if anything, regarding any aspect of this situation.
                  Regards.


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                  • Robin of Loxley

                    Yes, expat with sub-par Japanese skill. Lol. Anyway, I guess it's good enough to get by. I have tried to talk to a lot of people here about this. Most guys are willing to talk about it, and are concerned. Most women are concerned but completely clueless. Just about everyone I have talked to doesn't trust the government or Tepco. I guess you could say 'apathetic'. Unfortunately, I'm the only person I know of in my area (Hokkaido) that has personal access to this type of testing equipment. But being here in Hokkaido, many people act like 'it's not our problem up here' attitude. Thankfully I don't live in Tohoku, but more than half the foods in the supermarkets here are from Honshu and Kyushu. But believe it or not, fish and seafood is less popular than ever with younger people here (and this was happening before the accident). Beef, pork, and chicken are way more popular with most of the younger generation. But a lot of people do still eat sushi. I for one try to avoid it now due to not being able to test it in a sushi restaurant.


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                    • Mack Mack

                      Welcome, Robin

                      Just FYI, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss radiation in rain as only being from radon.

                      Tritium was found in Florida rain by the Environmental Protection Agency.

                      Also found in U.S. rain were:

                      * Be-7 (beryllium) half-life 53 days (usually from cosmic source but it's corrosive to tissues)

                      * Pb-212 (lead) half-life 10.4 hours (and is classified as a "high radiotoxicity")

                      * Cs-137 (Cesium) half-life 30 years (burns, heart, bone marrow, etc.)

                      * Ra-228 (Radium) half-life 5.75 years (bone sarcoma, leukemia, cancer of
                      the mastoid and paranasal sinsuses, orofacial cleft cancer, upper digestive tract cancer)

                      From Report 150
                      http://epa.gov/radnet/radnet-data/erd.html


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      • kez

        Welcome Robin. Thank you for those thoughts.


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    • Cerviche

      cant blame them, they arnt being informed and they dont know, they meaning the people…..


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  • They KNOW…

    They are bankrupt.

    Every $$ they spend on FUKU goes into a black hole.

    The less they spend, the longer they can delay the inevitable.

    Chernobyl brought down the Soviet Union.

    FUKU will bring down Japan, and maybe much, much more…

    It is a slow motion radiation train, riding with the Debbil, and he will be collecting the dues he is owed.

    Lots and lots of souls…


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  • Maybe they can talk other countries taxpayers into spending THEIR money on fixing this.


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    • jec jec

      @Dr.G Good idea but first Japan has to accept help. Russia has offered, and believe USA and other governments have as well. Nothing is happening to date..


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    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      Everyone is frustrated including me, and reading these post made me realize we need to stop participating in our own demise. How many of us are using electricity right this moment. What appliances do we own, do we use microwaves to "nuke" our food?

      The time has come to realize we have had it too easy all these years and we will have to start scaling back. Maybe we should start standing by the GE appliances at Best Buy and educating people about Nuclear energy until they throw us out.

      Maybe the people who live by the GE execs should have a graphic wrap on their cars of deformed babies in Japan, that are now being born with 3 arms, cleft palates etc.

      I am sick of typing, I am ready to find out ways to start taking action. Anyone with any ideas???

      They are building a new nuke plant in the southeast of the USA as we speak. This is BS people….why are we willingly marching into the gas chamber?


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      • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

        I guess we are the frog in the boiling pot…..it is too little too late.
        Thanks for listening to my rant.. :Q


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      • Robin of Loxley

        With the way things are with the banks and corporations being in control of everything, there is very little you or I can do about all this. Sorry, but that's the reality of it all. But focus on what you can do, at a personal level. Learn about radiation as much as possible. Monitor your air 24 hours a day with a decent alarming geiger counter. Spend the necessary money and buy good scintillation equipment for testing your food and water. Learn how to identify the different nuclides using same said equipment. Don't use a regular geiger counter to check food. They are not sensitive enough. The price of spectroscopy equipment has dropped drastically the past few years. You can now easily get a setup for under $1,000. Before, you are talking $5k-$10k+. $1,000 sounds like a lot of money? How much is your family's health and peace of mind worth? And above all else, don't let the stress from this disaster kill you first.


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      • kez

        Thank you News .. I can't remember who it was when I first signed on here and asked the same question .. but was suggested that the first thing we could do was consume less energy.

        We can all do that.

        Anne posted a petition a few notes back .. maybe type a few more letters and sign?

        Take care.


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        • weeman

          If I lived in Japan and was opposed to nuclear power and they want to restart, I would withhold my electic bill, half the population refuses to pay hydro bill one month and the other half next month, they can not disconnect everyone, this would hit them in the pocket and that is the only thing they understand.
          It called solidarity, power to the people, you could also withdraw your savings from the banks and do a run on the banks, believe me they would pay attention.
          Passive resistance.


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      • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

        AGR is right in starting small, if you need to. Weeman has it right in hitting them in their pockets (boycot any and all products/services related to nuclear and all other corporations that add to the collective destruction of our environment). Kez is right in consuming less…that means less of everything, because you really need almost nothing to live comfortably and happily. Robin has a point, but that's not going to fit for many people, and it doesn't solve any problems. Knowing what's in your food/water/air is very important, but the reality is that all those thousands of dollars spent on those instruments will do you very little good. It will simply give you a number to think about each time you swallow or breathe…that doesn't help. Sure, you'd be able to pass on the chicken that reads 1000 bq/kg, but it's not stopping more chickens from being contaminated. If we don't hit the root issues, we lose.

        There are millions of positive ways to procede. Realize that you must produce at least SOME of your own food, and always be working toward food and water independence. You must always be a vigilant anti-nuclear activist at least in your locality. You can stop purchasing corporate goods of any kind. Remember that when you buy something, you are supporting it and everything that goes with it. Boycott all these bastards. It's so easy.

        Learn about the Food Forest and beyond-sustainable environmental stewardship practices.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Dr.
    +1

    You know the deal proffered and just who has money to spend on this one today and then the next one tomorrow and so forth?

    There is not enough money in this world to solve.. what comith this way!

    We are back to Einstein's definition of insanity once again!


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  • Tokyo's main water supply is a man made lake called the Ogōchi Reservoir or Lake Okutama. It is 520 metres above sea level. Pretty doubtful that Fukued radiated groundwater could directly pollute Tokyo's water supply. But 77% of Japans water supply is from surface water 23% ground water so radiation fallout from initial accident or future problems especially if spent fuel pools catch fire or radiated smoke particles from burning nuclear waste could pollute any surface water in Japan. Didn't watch the broadcast but since the melted out reactors are right by the sea all radiated water will end up in the Pacific. There is ground water from the mountains flowing around the plant some of which may be in contact with the corium(s). Also leaking in and out through cracks in the foundations of the plant buildings. The cooling system leaks and water levels in cores were reported low a year ago or more, they can't fix the holes ,too radio active so radiated coolant is leaking all the time mixing with the groundwater. Plus stored radiated water that can't be filtered any more is leaking from the cheap tanks they are using. Big mess and how far away is Tokyo? Couple of hundred miles? Not very far by North American standards. No doubt Tokyo is at risk but no the Fukued radiated water won't flow into their drinking water. But the fall out probably fell down on their water, no doubt. You can't test water with a geiger counter.


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  • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

    I have lived 30 miles from San Onofre for 20+ yrs. We always knew there was danger no matter what anyone said. Surfers would always talk about when they were surfing and the alarms would go off, they would get out of the water. There are spent fuel sitting in pools there with no way to get rid of them, just waiting for a nice 7.+ earthquake with a 1/2 life of 2.5 billion years.

    This stuff being put into the environment is a deal changer, it is not natural to the earth. It will mutate everything that survives.

    If the grid ever goes down all the prepping in the world will not save anyone in this country, and probably our spent fuel will kill the rest of the no. Hemisphere when it goes critical.

    We are worried about Fukushima, but there is so much more nuked up waste out there, I do not see a resolution. We haven't even touch on the gulf of Mexico being destroyed…it is very sad.


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  • Mack Mack

    Tepco's stocks soared 10.4% today on expectations they would receive more government funding to deal with the radioactive water @ Fukushima.

    Why is Tepco asking for more government funding when:

    (1) In July 2013, Tepco gave away almost $5 million dollars in bonuses to managers.

    (2) In August 2013, Tepco reported an almost $4.5 Billion dollar profit.

    So why is Tepco asking for more government funding?


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    • weeman

      You did not expect the rich to pass up on a buck, tomorrow they will sell the stock to make a quick buck.
      You don't think they are going to use there money to resolve this accident, no the common people will be paying.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Because they live and sleep and have sexual relations with the Japanese government.

    Sounds pretty much the same for our Lady too..


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Well…that's what I heard from Bobby!


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What about the risk BEFORE it reaches Tokyo?
    What about all the rural communities.. the small towns and villages..the farmlands that are affected?
    These areas are long past risk.
    Contamination of the ground water..is bringing complete ruin to the area.


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  • pkjn

    Fukushima in freefall: radioactive water filters taken offline, Tokyo Electric Power Company in desperation as leaks just won't stop
    August 27, 2013 NaturalNews
    After a 29-month cover-up, the Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) is now calling for international help and has all but admitted Fukushima's radiation leaks are spiraling out of control. In addition to the leaking water storage units that are unleashing hundreds of tons of radioactive water each day, Tepco now says 50% of its contaminated water filtration capability has been taken offline due to corrosion.
    The result is that radiation leaks are escalating out of control and attempted remediation efforts are faltering. This is in addition to the fact the Japanese government's attempted brainwashing propaganda campaign has also been exposed. It attempted to convince people that if they drank beer or smiled, they would be immune to radiation poisoning. (Yes, this is how desperate they've become…)
    http://www.naturalnews.com/041800_Fukushima_radiation_leaks_desperation.html#ixzz2d9aGW299
    https://plus.google.com/108002809946749848449/about


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    Natural News exclusive: Fukushima victim exposes Japanese government's attempted bizarre brainwashing of radiation victims
    August 21, 2013 NaturalNews
    The following is a first-person account of the attempt by the Tokyo Electric Power Company and Japanese government to brainwash victims of Fukushima radiation poisoning into believing radiation would not harm them if they simply "smile." Natural News is the first U.S. news source to publish this account in English. The name of the original author is Uwamae Masako, who now lives in Taiwan after escaping Fukushima and leaving behind many friends and family members.
    As you'll see below, the Japanese government's Fukushima Radiation Health Risk Advisor uses a hypnotic, droning speech pattern to try to convince his audience of absolutely bizarre quack science beliefs like "people who drink aren't affected by radiation" or that "laughter will remove your radiation phobia."
    http://www.naturalnews.com/041720_Fukushima_radiation_Japanese_government_propaganda_brainwashing.html
    https://plus.google.com/108002809946749848449/about


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  • pkjn

    Watch the Tokyo Electric Power Company and Japanese government`s propaganda video that promises radiation won't harm you if you just "laugh"
    August 21, 2013 NaturalNews
    【日本語】http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuwFrNEgDTg
    【English】http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOgaBUDFeb4
    【Français】http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mpsnKhvWMw
    【Español】http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pZQbEIGkxA
    【Deutsch】http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPrHbZ6SHOY
    【L'italiano】http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R-juJhoVRY
    http://www.naturalnews.com/041720_Fukushima_radiation_Japanese_government_propaganda_brainwashing.html
    https://plus.google.com/108002809946749848449/about


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