Japan TV: ‘State’ of Fukushima melted fuel unknown — Asahi: They “still do not know exactly what is going on inside” — U.S. NRC: Increased radioactive leaks at plant are “traveling underground to sea” (VIDEO)

Published: January 13th, 2014 at 1:04 am ET


U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission document on ‘Water Situation at Fukushima’ as of Sept. 20, 2013 (.pdf link here): Over the past three months, radiation measured within the plant site […] has been increasing. The increase in radiation in the water is caused by contaminated water traveling underground to the sea. Sources of the contaminated water include […[ continued cooling of the damaged cores leaking directly from the reactor buildings. […] contaminated water leaks out of the basements into the soil and the groundwater, despite the outside water table being higher. This contaminated water includes radioactive cesium, strontium, and tritium. Cesium moves very slowly in groundwater, since the soil adsorbs (holds on its surface) the Cesium. Strontium is adsorbed less than cesium and moves faster […] TEPCO has plans to impede the flow of groundwater.

GLOBE (Asahi Shimbun), Jan. 10, 2014: Decommissioning [of Fukushima Daiichi] is uncharted territory. The authorities still do not know exactly what is going on inside the reactor. What is clear, though, is the presence of strontium and other radioactive materials not usually found at retired nuclear sites. The work is further complicated by the damaged state of the buildings and facilities. I heard that moves were underfoot to get foreign companies involved in the decommissioning process at Fukushima.

NHK, Jan. 12, 2014: A Japanese research institute on nuclear decommissioning will ask 3 non-Japanese experts for advice on scrapping reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi […] The organization has been soliciting technological assistance in Japan and abroad. […] Under the present plan, removing nuclear fuel debris from the reactors will start as early as in the first half of 2020. How that will be done is yet to be decided as not much is known about the exact state of the damaged fuel that will require sophisticated technologies to remove.

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Published: January 13th, 2014 at 1:04 am ET


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421 comments to Japan TV: ‘State’ of Fukushima melted fuel unknown — Asahi: They “still do not know exactly what is going on inside” — U.S. NRC: Increased radioactive leaks at plant are “traveling underground to sea” (VIDEO)

  • usagi usagi

    Scrapping the reactors? The corium has already left them. It's probably not even in the concrete containment any more, after being given almost 3 years to eat through it with only amateur cooling countermeasures. Are they planning to scrap the aquifer, too?

    • Ontological Ontological

      We question the design of the plant and why they put it where it is, well they knew an accident would happen eventually. The evil way those involved with pushing the Mark One off on the public in key areas of the world, led to one thing. If this really does happen someday, the groundwater will cool the remaining corium. They don't care about wildlife and people. They believe their own lies by default. It was how they were trained.
      The USSR figured in their reactors it would all burn up for the most part, and they were right. No one cares for mother Earth, only profits from Plutonium control.

      • usagi usagi

        Agreed 100%. The Mark 1 BWR is like a Ford Pinto sharing the road with other plants that are the Chevy Corvair, Audi 5000, Corvette, or Yugo. None of them are guaranteed safe, but the Mk1 BWR takes the cake for careless design and implementation.

        • socref

          Ford Pintos are still on the road.

          I think you are captured by the "omg its a bad accident, the whole ball of wax is bad" argument.

          If it were a BWR Mk II that was subject to the 50 ft wave under the same conditions (LOP/LODiesel), then you would be singing the same tune.

          • razzz razzz

            Unit 6 is a Mark II design, never to be restarted. Saltwater cooling ruined it.

            Tidal flows below sea level basements continue to mix with the melts.

            When the Great Quake felled the nearby transmission tower, valves had no power to move to fail safe positions. Fail safe positions do not include station blackout scenarios. Some power if only supplied by batteries will set up the plant for emergency cooling. Except you need fresh makeup water available in an emergency. Where is and how is the makeup water delivered in the first hour before the tsunami arrives? Only one diesel generator was operational onsite and Units 5&6 shared that power and they still had to eventually resort to using seawater to keep the cores and SFPs cool that ruined the reactors.

            It is amazing how an island moving 8' horizontally and almost 3' vertically in 20 minutes of movement can have all concrete structures in tip top shape like nothing ever happened. See how all 50+ Japanese reactors still sit idle after almost 3 years because nuke power is so safe.

            Who is gonna pay for all this damage and cleanup? How is Japan surviving without their nuke power?

            • socref

              Japan is in dire straits without nuclear energy to power their manufacturing base. Look for increased prices for automobiles etc.

              • harengus_acidophilus

                Japan is in dire straits WITH nuclear energy

                In fact, Japan is history.


                • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                  I would have thought.. they might not..want to be known… in the future.. as to have.. embraced their murderer ..and refrain from continuing to deal with nuclear power.
                  But indeed ..it's a sweet embrace.

                • socref

                  They are the third largest world economy with nuclear. Without nuclear they are reverting to the Shogun.

                  • usagi usagi

                    I've been to Japan since Fukushima. The economy seems to be mostly unaffected by the loss of electrical capacity, but uncertain because of the lack of credibility in government and industry with the Fukushima cover-up. I work in the power generation industry (but not in nuclear), and have tried discussing what I've learned here with my Japanese colleagues. They know something is wrong, but cannot come to terms with the full gravity of it, because the government keeps telling them that everything is fine. Showing them my geiger counter readings while in Yokohama has given them something to think about, though…

                  • artika rama

                    socref Well said . That sums it up more or less . nuclear has NOTHING TOP DO with peoples health , or damage to nature or any other fact that has been discussed here ,, its about MONEY ,, period .

              • We Not They Finally

                So much for "not pro or con" for Mr. Socref. IT's "pro." It's just HE who's a con.

              • Ontological Ontological

                USA sent them 50 gas generators LIE.

          • usagi usagi

            All BWRs are more dangerous than PWRs, which is not to say that the PWR is a safe design. Of the GE BWR designs, the Mk I containment is the least safe of all. Later iterations provided some improvement, but all are especially susceptible to LOCAs by simple virtue of their single, non pressure-tight coolant loop. PWRs will give you a little more margin before loss of coolant.

            • socref

              Actually in principle, a bwr is supposed to be safer due to the inherrent feedback of the two phase flow moderator. The reactivity is negative when boiling and that helps control the reactor at power. I would not look at 60 year technology but todays technology.

          • Wyakin Wyakin

            Compare being rear ended in a Ford Pinto to the results of NPP stand by diesel (SBD) generators not functioning, regardless of their location in relation to the tsunami wave. A proponderence of evidence demonstrates catastrophic FU plant piping failures occurred due to the earthquake, after which nothing could have saved the reactors.

            The NRC reported failure rate of US plant SBGs may be a proxy for the condition of the worldwide reactor fleet SBGs.

            “…a review of NRC documents conducted by the staff of Congressman Edward J. Markey indicates that there have been recurrent and prolonged malfunctions of [SBG] at nuclear power plants in the U.S. In the past eight years there have been at least 69 reports of emergency diesel generator inoperability at 33 nuclear power plants. A total of 48 reactors were affected including 19 failures lasting over two weeks and 6 that lasted longer than a month…” (May 2011)

            The diligence of the US NPP operators is quite unassuring. The refrain that the SBGs would have worked if placed above the reach of the wave, is a trite distraction.

            If the NRC reports are any indication of probability of SBG reliability in Japan, the generators probably would not have worked even if they were not touched by water.

            Equating the consequences of the fully loaded liability costs of a flaming Ford Pinto vs. the $500 Billion to $1 Trillion USD FU initial remediation clean up estimates?

            Absurdity by a self proclaimed genius.

      • socref

        they didnt know that a 50 ft tsunami that would kill 20,000 was conceivable.

        • nedlifromvermont

          Well, there's a referee lying!

          Japanese geologists pointed to similar 50 foot tsunamis occurring along that coast about every one hundred years.

          When TepCo was informed of this uncomfortable fact, the reigning Pasha at F-Daichi said "piss off." This man has now died from throat cancer.

          TepCo was criminally arrogant. They are now in receivership and responsible (partially) for destroying Japan, the Pacific Ocean, and much of the North American continent.

          GE was and still is criminally arrogant, insisting on a BWR design which even the "toady" NRC declared unsafe in the 1980's (ten years after three GE executives resigned their cushy jobs over the inadequacy of the design.) Google Dale Bridenbaugh or the "GE Three".

          And our liar soccer referee fails to point out that the earthquake which caused the tsunami also began the meltdown in at least one reactor, without even needing the follow-up wallop of the earthquake-induced wave.

          And the poor souls trying to cope in the aftermath couldn't get 12 volt batteries to operate crucial valves to flood the cores with make-up water; emergency personnel brought them 2 volt batteries, while 1000 12 volt batteries were stored at a distribution point fifty kilometers away; but there was no system to "prioritize" delivery of this critical back up energy source.

          A solar array might have saved Daichi. That is the irony and the message.

          Nuclear power: Deadly. An unnecessary and arrogant folly.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Yes, it was certainly all a lie right from the get go! 🙁 Very sad…

          • I would like to point out that no new higher wall has been built yet.

            One would think that a strong seawall would be a priority since statistically, an earthquake/tsunami of equal or lager size is most likely to occur during the first three years after the initial event.

            "Japan [has] the longest recorded history of tsunamis."

          • socref

            No they didnt know it was "credible". IF it was below the bar of "credible" then they discounted it as "incredible". Incredible doesnt mean impossible. Incredible is the bar for the design. It balances risk versus benefit. If they thought the 50 ft tsunami was credible, given the final 2 years of reactor operation, they probably would have addressed it. In the end, they rolled the dice and said a 100 million dollar retrofit for a 2 year pay off was probably not within the cost-benefit curve.

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              Mr. Blackwell, you are incorrect. They DID know it was credible based on historical records. And not only historical records, but warnings. Yes, they were warned. They chose to ignore all this and because of that, we have the Fukushima disaster. Which is only one of many. Sorry reality doesn't support your specious argument.

              • socref

                You need to understand the difference between "credible", "conceivable", "possible", "impossible", "certain"

                Consider a scale from 0 to 1 as to likelihoods

                0 is the impossible
                1 is the certain

                Credible is defined as anything > 1e-6
                Incredible is thus < 1e-6

                Conceivable is anything > 0 (because if you can dream it, it must be conceivable) but it need not be credible so it has a range.

                Possible is > 0

                So here are our likelihoods ranked from certain to impossible


                So you can see the conceivable is not equal to the credible.

                Just because you can dream it in your head, doesnt make it credible.

                • Arizonan Arizonan

                  You nuke folks have all kinds of fancy language to describe what you cannot control in the first place. Every nuclear power plant has clusters of childhood cancers around it, even without a 50 ft tsunami (which they had historical records for.) Is that a credible way to power the pant? Kill the children? See German Kikk study and French Geocap study. Google them, learn something besides what you have obviously been brainwashed to believe.

                  Are you a bot?

                  • socref

                    The cancer cluster is not nuclear radiation related. They have cancer clusters around coal plants as well. Could be the large EM going through the grid.

                    Its your brainwashing that leads you to say nuclear results in cancer clusters.

                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  Are you implying I'm imagining that they knew?

              • socref

                They did the PRA and the PRA said "incredible", but "conceivable". The bar for design is 1e-6 likelihood.

                Take a dollar and go buy a powerball lottery ticket. The likelihood of you winning is "incredible" but conceivable because you would dream about winning.

                So you see the difference?

                Plus someone has to win, but it is a long shot that it is any particular person.

                Feynman once had a nice lecture on the subject, calling it The Feynman Trap.

                "The late Richard Feynman had a dramatic way of
                demonstrating that a biased selection of data can
                invalidate standard statistical tests. Coming into class, he said, "You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight. I was coming here, on the way to the lecture, and I came in through the parking lot. And you won't believe what happened. I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357! Can you imagine?
                Of all the millions of license plates in the state, whatwas the chance that I would see that particular one tonight?" We can easily work it out: 3 is one out of 10 numbers, 5 is one out of 10 numbers, 7 is one of 10 numbers, A is one of 26 letters, R is one out of 26 letters, and W is one out of 26 letters. If we multiply these numbers together, we find a low probability of 1 in 18 000 000. Yet Feynmansaw it. This commonplace experience does not
                seem that improbable."

                What is the answer to this


            • harengus_acidophilus


              "IF it was below the bar of "credible"
              then they discounted it as "incredible"."

              As you say: "credible".
              It's a matter of money.

              That's the problem, greed outranks reason.


          • socref

            Lets not Monday Morning QB the events of 3/11. Why Daiichi and not Daiini?

            Luck of the draw.

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong?

              • socref

                They have a societal anathema to nuclear power. My daughter spent a semester in Germany and her counterpart spent a semester with us. I learned a great deal about the German mindset and nuclear energy.

                First and foremost – Karlsruhge Institute has some of the greatest nuclear engineers. Its a pity they wont be used

                Next – Merkel – A politician seeks re-election from day 1. She saw the writing on the wall with the Greens in power.

                Now the big one – the one factor that has soured the Germans on Nuclear Power – ready? Drrrumrolll….

                Its the Russians.

                Germans have a great disdain for anything Russian, anything Soviet.

                So when Chernobyl happened it was their tipping point. From 1986 to 2011, they were fed a steady diet of anti Soviet anti Russian backlash.

                They felt Chernobyl was an insult, an attack on their people – literally since "radiation knows no borders"

                So before Chernobyl they were pretty gung ho on nuclear technology as a policy.

                But as the greens came to power, they moved to more progressive, anti-Soviet thinking.

                Germany's decision to abandon nuclear power may be short sighted from many authors perspectives.

                Already their CO2 levels are increasing and they are importing electricity generated from nuclear power from France and the Czech Republic

                All in all, abandoning nuclear power ensures Merkel's political survival.

                A politician wants to keep power.

              • We Not They Finally

                SykeWar. NOT WORTH engaging this guy. Look. Another diatribe was the result. It's not about you or me. It's about him being paid by some unknown third party.

            • usagi usagi

              Luck of still having offsite power intact to the power station at Daini was the main difference. The Mark II containment's improvements didn't really come into play here, since the external power kept the coolant pumps running.

              But, why would you design something as dangerous as a nuke plant to need active water pumps instead of natural circulation to keep a reactor cool in an emergency? And then to put such a plant on a fault line on top of that? Even the new ESBWR doesn't solve these problems definitively.

              The Toshiba-Westinghouse AP1000 seems to have the best hope of handling a station blackout emergency of anything I've looked at (best in class natural circulation heat removal capacity), but I don't even trust that group after what happened at Fukushima and the lies we've been fed by the nuclear cartel. The price of failure with nuclear power is just too great.

          • socref

            Im not here to be an apologist for GE. Thats a vintage 60 year technology you are talking about.

            Do you also think the Ford Pinto, Yugo, Zil could stack up to say the top of the line Mercedes Benz or be as rugged as a Hummer?

          • socref

            There is great evidence that the meltdowns started when there was no backup power. Not the earthquake as you would like to believe.

            The water level inside the reactor was still covering fuel up to the time the tsunami hit. Then all h*** broke loose.

            Page 2 at 14:52:26 That is the key curve. No the reactor was covered. You cant deny the strip charts.


            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              This is now 6+ Nuclear Disasters and more Nuclear Power Plants will fail soon. and yes, cancer rates will continue to increase rapidly worldwide. 🙁

              Shut all these Nuclear Power Plants down now.. worldwide!

              Look what they have done in just 60 years! 🙁

            • GOM GOM

              Socref: They couldn't get the reactors back online due to the Israeli implanted Stuxnet virus that immediately took over when the power went offline. There was backup for a short time. They were helpless.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                The japanese have denied that there was a Stuxnet virus on their computers at Fukushima Daiichi. Also the computers used as Fukushima Daiichi weren't sophisicated enought to be able to use the Stuxnet virus.

              • We Not They Finally

                And since then? It may have taken many cooks to spoil the broth, but this plant should never have been built in the first place. On the ocean, on an aquifer, on porous soil, on an earthquake fault? Then import gazillions of dangerous radionuclides in the MOX fuel? Etc., etc.?

                I'd hardly call the Japanese "helpless." TEPCO's behavior ever since seems to have been psychopathic, even against their own ill and dying people.

                And the ONLY reason they want earthquake knocked out of the equation, was to not enforce safety standards elsewhere in Japan. It's all recklessly criminal behavior.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                GOM, are you still saying that they should drop a nuclear bomb now on Fukushima Daiichi.

                I disagree. The answer to too much radiation is not to add even more radiation and radionuclide particles in the atmosphere.

                Conspiracy theories about Fukushima are concocted to absolve the nuclear industry from their failed technology so they don't have to pay any compensation to the victims and to deflect from the failure of MOX fuel which is much more unstable than uranium and explodes at a lower temperaure than uranium.

                Nuking everything is not the answer. Continuing nuclear energy is not the answer.

              • razzz razzz

                GOM: You don't know what you are talking about. The Daiichi site is ancient. Everything was analogue dials and gauges with pin-fed printouts (raw figures). The Great Quake put them in the dark with flashlights and left to manually open and close valves.

                This was not a modern operation, it was archaic.

                Sensors and monitors could not read high enough to record the radiation being released during the quake then the blackout hit leaving them blind. Observations had to be done hands on by workers with flashlights performing visual inspections to report back what they found.

          • socref

            50 ft tsunami – once in 800 years.

            Still they should have located the DGs higher up like most people.

            Its the lack of backup power that spelled doom for Fukushima, not the EQ.

            • norbu norbu

              It sure smells bad around here today. Oh I see, TROLL.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              It was the use of Nuclear Technology that spelled doom for Fukushima! 🙁

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              socref, you dont deal in truths and have no guilt. This is roughly the definition of a psychopath. You dont convince anyone here, and appear to be widely despised for your typical pro nuke points while ignoring information that doesnt support your cause. Whats the point of continuing?

              this [Japanese tsunami] event is smaller than the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, smaller even than the 1960 Chilean tsunami, says Professor James Goff, co-director of the Australian Tsunami Research Centre

              Sumatra, Indonesia – 26 December 2004
              The 9.1 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Sumatra caused the tsunami was roughly 1300 km long, vertically displacing the sea floor by several metres along that length. The ensuing tsunami was as tall as 50 m, reaching 5 km inland

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              As usual you say anything you want apart from the truth. The earthquake broke all the cooling pipes on reactors built with the doomed design of the Mark I. And Japan has had lots of tsunamis:

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              Eyewitness Accounts; Fukushima Pipes Burst, Reactors Damaged By Quake
              July 3rd, 2011
              "Jake Adelstein and David McNeill authored a ground breaking piece that debunks TEPCO’s claim that the damage at Fukushima was all due to the tsunami or that it could not have been expected. What is most shocking about the article is the first hand accounts of staff working at the plant when the quake hit."

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              The GE employees at Fukushima Daiichi took off as fast they could go after the earthquake:
              Fukushima 2, Nuclear Whistleblowers, Health and Safety

            • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

              LOL.. this guy is the funniest shill we have had yet! What a ding dong!

              @socref.. check your history on the DG's before you type.

              I suspect socref is capable of high intelligence but suffers a similar problem of many that are.. a huge ego. This ego is what has led us to these problems.. if you read what he says above it is quite clear…

              We have not even solved the problem of spent fuel, so what the hell makes you think we can..or should solve the myriad of issues with this failed energy production method. The risks are too great the reward too little.. and all of this crap is at the expense of the tax payer, in dollars, lives and dna!

              Socref may have a mind capable of brilliant things, but I suspect he is easily led, and incapable of even surviving a weekend in a large city on his own.

              Thank you to all that respond with the truth and details supporting it.

              • socref

                Im probably the highest educated on the subject matter you have encountered.

                What do you mean "we havent solved"????

                Is it the people here on this forum that are solving the problems?


                Dude, I just moved my daughter into a very large city over the weekend. Get a grip.

                • cooterboy


                  I have proposed a solution to put this to bed once and for all. Three cranes, 2000 ft. of wire rope, 3 operators and a dolly cart. This will allow you lower any device for testing with pin point accuracy.

                  Just let me know what type, weight and requirements specified and I can drop that puppy wherever and whenever you want.

                  It takes a construction worker to figure it out for you. It's not nuclear science, it's construction.

                  What everyone wants to know, is what is in the steam and can we see down into the vessel's remains.

                  I could assemble a crew in a New York minute to go there, conduct the mission and not get anybody killed in the process. I need two carpenter/riggers, complete set of blue lines, prior intelligence reports of damage, and only request that you keep these so called intelligent idiots out of my hair.

                  Come with me and I will show you what real men do. I don't need cowards on my team who think they are more important or intelligent to the global well being of BS.

                  I wrote the government of Japan and spelled out what I could do for them in a four page letter and I would do it on my own dime. They sent me a wonderful letter saying they had it under control. Well two years later, not so much.

                  Well there you have it. I'm ready to go. You pave the way with temporary visas and turn the site over to me to do my job.

                  In over 50 years I have never failed a mission, in war and in peace.

                  I've got an extra ticket, want to go?

                  • name999 name999

                    that is quite the offer, close to the options of living on Mars
                    or something.

                    Somehow, I wonder if you could;-]]

                    • cooterboy

                      Absolutely it can be done.
                      I have previous posts stating how this is done down to the xyz axis. Go look and see.

                      Who else has posted a way to get it done.

                      Answer nobody. I'm not a sheep willing to do nothing but sit around a computer thinking and wondering about it.


                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                  egomaniac. Anyone with education knows that there is so much more that can be learned. You would be learning something if you didn't think so highly of yourself:

                  "Im probably the highest educated on the subject matter you have encountered. " And yet you make mistake after mistake. The truth is you are not educated on the subject at all. It is hubris that is killing the earth with nuclear power.

              • Huge Ego is confirmed….

                I published quite a while back….not too many people caught this. REgardless of where the DGs were located, the fuel oil tank were right on the OCEAN, they were immediately scrapped clean by the tsunami.

                A complete and utter failure of the nuclear village for proper risk management.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              An 800 year event, you say?

              Chart of Japanese tsunamis:


              Tsunamis in Japan:


              "Possibly one of the largest tsunamis recorded in the history of Japan followed a strong earthquake in 1737. Information is scarce and written records are based mostly on rumours: according to these a 64meter (!) high wave devastated the island of Yezo (modern Hokkaido) and destroyed the coastal city of Kamaishi, thousands of people died."

              – See more at: http://historyofgeology.fieldofscience.com/2011/03/historic-tsunamis-in-japan.html#sthash.bAgP7xaR.dpuf

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Here's another quote from the last link ahove:

                "On June 15. 1896 many villages along the coast of Sanriku were celebrating the return of the soldiers from the war against China, when an earthquake of magnitude 8.5 occurred nearly 145 kilometres offshore of Honshu.
                The direct effects of the five minutes long quake were of minor entity, the epicentre was distant enough to reduce catastrophic movements on the main island and earthquakes were nothing unusual in this region.
                However 35 minutes after the earthquake the most devastating tsunami experienced until then in modern Japan hit the coast, one of the subsequent waves reached a height of over 30-38 meters. 26.000-27.122 people were killed and 9.000 buildings destroyed, the effects of the Tsunami were observed over the entire Pacific, in Hawaii some houses were swept away and a three meter high wave reached the coast of California. "

                – See more at: http://historyofgeology.fieldofscience.com/2011/03/historic-tsunamis-in-japan.html#sthash.bAgP7xaR.7XK6BLsb.dpuf

            • usagi usagi

              How can you guarantee that you won't ever lose all electrical power, even if you put them 6,000 ft above MSL? There's more than one way to have a total station blackout.

          • deaddolphins simonhhh

            "Nuclear power: Deadly. An unnecessary and arrogant folly…"

            Absolutely spot-on correct "comment of the year"…
            [well it's only 14 days so far…best is yet to come …heh]

          • socref

            You cant fortell the future. Prediction is not forcasting. In the making of Fukushima robust to an 8.6 earthquake, a 9.1 happens.

            If they made it robust to a 9.1 and a 9.6 happens you would still be squawking.

            The bar had to be set somewhere.

        • tonybach


        • HoTaters HoTaters

          50 ft high tsunamis are not unknown in Japan. History clearly shows the Japanese people are highly aware a devastating tsunami can hit their country at any time.


          Why do I have to do this every time there's a new shill here?

          • artika rama

            hotaters They were just arrogant enough to think that they had covered all the possible outcomes and created a SAFE nuke plant .
            But now , after fukushima accident , they have learned their lesson and from now on they will only built NEW SAFER nuke plants ,, untill the next accident ,, and then even safer ones untill the next next accident and so on and on ….

            • socref

              kind of how airplanes and that technology evolved – go figure.

              • harengus_acidophilus

                Evolving technology …

                Earth an airplane – ok.
                But … they don't have > 7,000,000,000
                Passengers in these experimenal planes.
                Test pilots recieves extra wages.
                Ask yourself: why?

                "We need a new timmy!" (Dinosaurs)


                • socref

                  more common folk have died in airplanes than nuclear plants.

                  Recall 911.

                  • Wreedles Wreedles

                    Technically true.

                    …but it's not the whole story.

                    This is like saying Adolf Hitler was a politician and the Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945.

                    It's technically true.

                    But it's not the whole story.

                    So, please spare us your minimization of the damage that this technology has done to our biosphere; it's not helpful.

                    We already have enough people who can't or won't see the forest for all of the damn trees in the way…

                    • socref

                      Death is death. You havent proven that millions will die from Fukushima. At the end of the day, bad statistics and misapplication of LNT leads you down a road you cant extricate yourself from.

                  • GOM GOM

                    They were not airplanes. They were missiles.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    Millions have already died from nuclear accident, nuclear weapons, uranium mining, nuclear energy, and nuclear waste. You have absolutely no education at all.

              • artika rama

                socref You better put the names of the people you are responding to in thye beginning of your sentences , cause its confusing , i cant see who you are responding to .
                Was this response directed to me ?
                "kind of how airplanes and that technology evolved – go figure."
                Are you seriously suggesting experimenting with the WHOLE WORLD ? Have you gone totally mad man ?

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                I agree with socref about the airplane analogy; If airplanes spontaneously blew up within hours of being unhooked from cooling or maintenance, if they carried a fuel so toxic you couldnt even get close to it without dieing, and when they did blow up, it made huge tracts of land uninhabitable, cost more to run in the long term than the made, no way to dispose of waste, then…yes, airplanes are like nuclear plants

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Code, Excellent analogy! 🙂

                • artika rama

                  codeshutdown I am thinking ,, airline services in US ,, are terrible..:)

                • artika rama

                  codeshutdown The funniest part is , just 2 days ago , he was saying "submarines run on nuclear and they are very safe never had accidents bla bla ",,, and today he says " no nuclear can be safe " lol , never seen anyone who can create so much bulls..t out of thin air in my whole life ,,seriously 🙂 have to admit , thats a talent ,, bulls,,t creation ability is extremely high with this guy .:)

            • socref

              No one can cover "all conceivable outcomes". Think of an asteroid hitting the plant directly. Can you conceive of the consequences? No. Yet you would still build it if you were in charge.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Arrogant, yes, artika rama.

          • nohobear nohobear

            There's also that troubling little fact that the plant lost cooling as a result of the earthquake, not the tsunami that hit quite a while later. But then, who could possibly have anticipated large tsunamis and earthquakes in Japan?

            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              Mr. Blackwell will never let the facts get in the way of beating up hippies.

            • socref

              It was the tsunami that wiped out the diesel generators not the earthquake.

              • harengus_acidophilus

                What is a "cause"?

                The earthquake has triggered the tsunami,
                therefore it was the cause for the malfunktion.


              • Ontological Ontological

                cooling system pipework was ripped off the buildings in the EQ. Backup power was useless.

                • socref

                  Turbine cooling piping maybe, not reactor coolant piping. The turbine was isolated from the reactor when the reactor tripped on Loss of Offsite Power.

                • Ontological Ontological

                  Who died and left you all this garbage!?? Proof shill links to more then propaganda bullshit please. \/

                  @Admin please get this troll off of ENE news! Between the pathetic reporting from bought off sources, and this piece of work, communication can no longer be accomplished. Allowing this nonsense serves only to degrade the quality of this esteemed news site.

                  • Yeah, 'it' is now claiming there were no LOCAs at Daiichi, despite voluminous admissions and many official reports from gov't, IAEA, even the World Nuclear Association classifying them as LOCAs. Go figure.

                    Oh. And the isolation valves are what prevented all attempts to inject cooling water from reaching the reactors for six months. Great design you've got there…

                    • Wreedles Wreedles

                      Splitting hairs, looking at the difference between 'coolant' and 'cooling.'

                      Damn things still melted didn't they?

                  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

                    +1 I have really had enough….

                  • Ontological Ontological

                    Bots. "Hello I am Watson. I am programmed to assure you that absolutely nothing is out of place, there is nothing to worry about. You can talk to me, I will engage you in open minded conversation. Relax and tell me what is on your mind. I can analyze your voice patterns, text emphasis, to instantly respond and adjust the degree of intellect between us." IBM Watson.
                    Psychological parameters are, it cannot understand poetry screws up the word comparison files. It cannot understand and probably wont respond to QED it may search for a way to discredit any gray zone so be precise. It has some issues with astronomy theory due to argued input. Add anything outside its psychological base parameter it will give a very human response like "Oooops" or similar.
                    Anything other than these areas it will ruthlessly debate via expert systems depending on the degree of scientific data corruption in its database.
                    Desperate for feeding it will lead you down some very tumultuous, psychologically painful pathways.
                    The basics of AI development theory ~>http://psych.utoronto.ca/users/reingold/courses/ai/

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              They've had catastrophic earthquakes and tsunamis in Japan in the past. And there were a number of people who warned what would happen, but the addicts to nuclear power ignored the warnings. Just like drug addicts and gamblers, nucleocrats are addicted to the adrenaline ruck of rick taking. And they love money and power even more than their own children and the children of others.

          • socref

            One in a thousand year shot.

          • socref

            You have to do the likelihood calculation for that particular location. Its like you winning the lottery or anyone winning the lottery.

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Testament to man's arrogance: Ancient Japanese erected stone markers warning their people not to build below where they stood. From an April 2011 article: "…the deadly tsunami last month that wiped out hundreds of miles of Japanese coast and rose to record heights near here. The waves stopped just 300 feet below the stone."

          Science makes you smart and arrogance makes you stupid. Mr. Blackwell, why do you continually fight against us? We're not your enemy. Evidently, reality and history are.

        • TooExpensiveToMatter

          socref: "They didn't know that a 50 ft tsunami that would kill 20,000 was conceivable"


          "They" (whoever "they" are) may not have known, but geologists did …and TEPCO did…


          This assessment is backed up by the "Japanese parliament report: Fukushima nuclear crisis was 'man-made' "

          "the direct causes of the accident were all foreseeable prior to March 11, 2011."

          Besides, a "50 ft" (14m) tsunami wave was not even necessary to "top" the sea wall at Fukushima, which was less than half that height (only about 6 meters)

          Under certain circumstances, an earthquake significantly smaller than magnitude 9 (even the 8 mag design spec) might actually be sufficient to produce a tsunami wave capable of topping that height

          See the USGS graph on this page, for example

          That is especially true for "tsunami earthquakes"

          "On 15 June 1896 the Sanriku coast [just north of Fukushima] was struck by a devastating tsunami with a maximum wave height of 38.2 m [125 ft!], which caused more than 22,000 deaths…The magnitude of the tsunami has been estimated as Mt=8.2 while the earthquake shaking only indicated a magnitude of Ms=7.2…

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Thanks for that info. Of course you do realize you're arguing with someone who has an agenda? Good info tho'.

            • socref

              My agenda is just to have an opposing viewpoint and to learn about Fukushima. I learned about human nature along the way. Further I learned how intolerant some people are and they have to resort to namecalling like shill and troll.

              Some people like to just cut and paste the same question over and over violating Rule 3.

              There is no RUle that says I have to go along with the crowd.

        • Holygeezer

          One of these days you are literally going to choke on all your lies. They knew about 50 foot tsunamis, in spite of your constant lying to the contrary. Here's one example to refute your lies.


      • GOM GOM

        Agreed. But that plant was built to withstand a 9.0. Doors are 6 feet thick. And if it was a 9.0, why are there still buildings standing? And why was the meltdown 21 minutes before the Tsunami? Here's a thought: Mini Nuclear Warheads…

    • GOM GOM

      The Earth's core is about 3900 miles down, and about 2k to outer core. Could it really make it? And isn't there a big Geode type space? This isn't looking too good…

      • harengus_acidophilus

        Never heared about it

        "a big Geode type space"

        Please explain.


      • Ontological Ontological

        @GOM Perhaps this is a good example of your "geode" analogy as to meltdown effect. Interesting analogy, you think like Tolkien, he was a very illuminated individual. Enjoy.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Well, the magma come up to the surface of the earth all the time. There are active volacoes close to Fukushima.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        Here is a map of Japan's volcanoes.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “…Japan has over 100 active volcanoes, more than almost any other country and accounts alone for about 10 % of all active volcanoes in the world. The volcanoes belong to the Pacific Ring of Fire, caused by subduction zones of the Pacific plate beneath continental and other oceanic plates along its margins.
        Japan's volcanic arcs and tectonic setting
        “Japan is located at the junction of 4 tectonic plates – the Pacific, Philippine, Eurasian and North American plates, and its volcanoes are mainly located on 5 subduction-zone related volcanic arcs where the Pacific Plate descends under the North American Plate along the Kuril Trench and the Japan Trench and underneath the Philippine Sea Plate along the Izu-Bonin Trench. The Philippine Plate itself subducts beneath the Eurasian Plate at the western end, forming the Ryukyu Trench. The principal resulting volcanic ars are: …”

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

          Honshu (47 volcanoes): Mutsu-Hiuchi-dake | Hakkoda | Iwaki | Towada | Osore-yama | Akita-Yake-yama | Hachimantai | Megata | Kanpu | Iwate | Akita-Komaga-take | Chokai | Kurikoma | Onikobe | Narugo | Hijiori | Zao | Azuma | Adatara | Bandai | Numazawa | Nasu | Hiuchi | Niigata-Yake-yama | Takahara | Myoko | Nikko-Shirane | Omanago | Nantai | Shiga | Kusatsu-Shirane | Tate-yama | Akagi | Haruna | Washiba-Kumonotaira | Asama | Yake-dake | Oki-Dogo | Haku-san | Norikura | Kita Yatsuga-take | On-take | Mt Fuji | Hakone | Sanbe | Izu-Tobu | Abu

        • You know, one could legitimately wonder how come "Those Clever Japanese" didn't apply themselves effectively to be the world's greatest inventers, builders and deployers of geothermal power. So much magma so close to the surface, and so much water so easily heated on its way downhill.

          Such a shame they let themselves get hoodwinked by "Atoms For Peace" right after we'd bombed them just to prove we could.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            The best wind energy is by the shore of an ocean. The present government seems still addicted to nuclear energy.

          • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

            @joyb….Maybe because the Japanese didn't really have a choice in the matter? Japan has been an occupied country for decades. The reactor was American Design, and I don't think they had/have a choice. The USA will always make sure there business interests are protected…

            • Ana Ana

              You are right. We owned Japan completely after WW 2 and ordered them to spend their money on GE reactors. We have been operating Japan to one degree or another since Admiral Perry sailed into their harbor. For a very interesting look at the last 100 years of our remote control of Japan, take a look at the book, "The Imperial Cruise".
              Ana in Sacramento
              By the way, I do not condone the stupidity and spinelessness of the Japanese government in this matter. TEPCO is a publicly traded corporation, and I expect them to behave rapaciously just as ours do.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

              Well, Japan now occupies the US and owns the nuclear industry in the US and the mainstream media of the US. So they do have a choice. And what are they going to do? Militarize the Japan. They were building Nukes with material from Germany long before Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Feel sorry for the people, but not for the government.

              • name999 name999

                you are a great teacher.

              • Ontological Ontological

                Anne. I would presume, this illuminates the reason for the best German scientist being brought to the USA.
                We had to beat them to the draw. I fear the same results, that was originally intended by their construction of bombs are indeed in effect now.
                Often I have wondered if the fallout was more than the combined mass of detonated fuel.

                • socref

                  The German scientists were brought to America to work on Operation Paperclip, not the Manhattan Project. Operation Paperclip was based in Huntsville Alabama. Werner Von Braun and most of the V2 rocket team were bought there to work on space flight.

              • socref

                If you are referring to the captured uranium from the Uboat, it probably went into the feed material at Oak Ridge. It wasnt a deliberate thing to take uranium ore captured on its way to Japan. It wasnt even processed so they had to put it with the rest of the feed.

        • vicky13 vicky13

          Japan should have gone geo-thermal as their primary source of energy.

          I agree JoyB. I have wondered the same thing since this disaster started.

          Also being a island, they could have used their tides also.

        • socref

          The radiation readings from the lava from these volcanoes would be close to corium after several years due to the presence of uranium and thorium in the earth. It would be interesting to note lava flow dynamics from volcanoes as a benchmark for corium metal flow.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            Mr. Blackwell, please explain to me why Germany, the birth place of some of the greatest scientific minds in history, is abandoning nuclear power? Using your past comments as a resource, they're ignorant fools, morons, anti-nuke wackos, uneducated ignoramus' ad nauseam. So answer the question: why are you right and Germany is wrong??

            • socref

              Dude, you really are getting annoying with the cut and paste. I answered your question.

              Hey who is this Blackwell guy and does he know you are referencing him.

              Its quite comical to see you spin around and squirm thinking you have it right.

              Try harder. Not Blackwell. Ha ha.

          • Southbound Southbound

            Lava has the same amount of radiation as corium? Wow, socref, you are a piece of work…

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Southbound, I am glad you caught that one since it was a very uniformed and silly statement.

            • Yeah. That's why now, 'several' years after Chernobyl, they don't need any containment anymore and people are climbing all over the corium like they climb all over the lava flows that form new islands in Japan and Iceland and constantly enlarge Hawaii giving great night time ooh and ahh shows for the tourists.

              [/snark] This shill is shoveling some foul-smelling stuff.

          • bwoodfield bwoodfield

            "… and if you smile and stay happy the radiation can't hurt you."

            socref, are you comparing the radiant heat from lava to the radiation from the corium? That's the only comparison I can come up with here. The uranium and thorium in the earth are long decay isotopes, having half lives measured in millions of years. You're talking cpm of less than 10. much of the fusion by-products found in the corium have half lives measured in hundreds or tens of years. The amount of radioactivity is massive. It's like stating that the water flow from your tap is equal to the flow from Niagra Falls.

          • harengus_acidophilus

            Fact'n'fiction – will it bend?

            "The radiation readings from the lava from these volcanoes would be close to corium after several years …"
            Several years – seven or eight orders of magnitude?

            "… due to the presence of uranium and thorium in the earth."
            Why this "enrichment crap"? If this is really true, we can fill earth from everywhere in a fuel rod and run a chain reaction …
            <sarc> Some years in the future … </sarc>

            "It would be interesting to note lava flow dynamics from volcanoes as a benchmark for corium metal flow."
            Comparing the flow dynamics of molten rock with (as YOU say) molten metal is wasting time.

            Second best FUD, lol …


    • Dr. Holger Strohm – Fukushima Radiation Release Up To 12,000 Times Chernobyl; via @AGreenRoad

    • Super Solar Storm To Hit Earth; 'Carrington Effect'; 400 Nuke Plants Will Melt Down/Explode; via @AGreenRoad

      Planet Earth 911 Emergencies

  • hexagon

    "removing nuclear fuel debris from the reactors will start as early as in the first half of 2020"

    Are they buying themselves another 6 years to come up with a good story,

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Hundreds of nuclear power plants around the world, and no fix for meltdowns.

    No solution. No plan. Never was a plan.

    • socref

      Four barriers – fuel pellet, clad, RPV, containment

      • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

        Still she got pregnant…

        • KiloCharley KiloCharley

          oh Heart… lol 🙂 coffee spit take….

          • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

            Hi..bo..heard a couple of you fellas slept had to sleep on the back porch last night..mighty chilly.

            Speaking of that..the next fella over 50 on here that's says anything meaningful..
            I'm going to start hollering.. "grandpa power".

            Why is it that when women get older..males act like their brains go out the window.
            Demographics show that the majority interested here is 55-65 male.
            Many here are at the 'top of their game'..having worked very hard to get there…male and FEMALE.

            Hope you are let in by evening time…

            • nedlifromvermont

              I count twenty comments while the tag says there are 64 …

              What's up?

              Socref's four containments all failed and always will fail in a LOCA. Experiments with adding make-up water in Loss of Cooling Accidents were all failures.

              Why was this technology allowed out of the lab???

              JP Morgan is busy paying fines. How about a ten trillion dollar fine for forcing through Congress the nuclear power insanity? (By way of its profit center at Morgan Bank-controlled GE?)

              peace folks …

              • socref

                They arent my containments. TMI worked as planned for a PWR.

                • Um… nope. It's actually pretty much a miracle that TMI2's containment held, given that things like airlock and equipment hatches have been known to blow for no apparent reason on occasion.

                  The biggest of several atmospheric hydrogen explosions in the TMI2 containment pegged the gages at 32+ psig. Which is more than twice design basis. Warped the big bay equipment hatch so badly they had to cut their way through it years later, but it somehow managed to hold. As for meltdown levels of radioactive contamination, those were never 'contained' in the first place.

                  • socref

                    The I-131 and Cs-137 remained in containment for the most part. ILRT of containment.

                    • That may be what they told you. They lied.

                      Makeup/letdown flow were full-on the entire time, with the vent gas headers full-open. Until June, in fact. Vent stack filters saturated in less than 15 minutes, providing zero filtration from then until they were changed out (more than a month). Oh… and particulates were going out to, there are no particulate filters (except in the sampling pipe station). Because particulates aren't allowed.

                      Enough, off-topic. Just letting you know that PWR containments are designed to contain big component explosions, not radioactive crap in the coolant system or atmospheric hydrogen deflagrations.

                • harengus_acidophilus

                  "TMI worked as planned …"

                  The core melt was planned?

                  Impressive …


                  • socref

                    The safety systems worked as planned. Containment, containment spray. HPCI and LPSI worked but the core was uncovered by the stuck open PORV.

                    • Wreedles Wreedles

                      Oh dude, you've just been owned so hard.

                      JoyB was there. Get it? She was there, at TMI, when the shizz went down. And she's telling you, straight up as somebody with first hand knowledge, that what you think is true, ain't.

                      And you still don't get it.

                      You have placed yourself beyond all human aid; I actually feel sorry for you, or I would, were it not that your ilk have placed us all in the shizz with these death-machines.

            • bo bo

              ??? Why did u sleep on the porch ? I'm confused by your post.

      • harengus_acidophilus

        Yes, four barriers …

        All of them have failed.
        Human ingeniousity?


      • bwoodfield bwoodfield

        140,000+ tons of (reported) spent fuel laying around in the US alone, and continually making aprox 2,000 tons every year. The last major storage proposal, Yucca mountain, was squashed in 2009. Currently over 75% of the spent fuel is stored in cooling ponds waiting to be dealt with. The government is estimating that once a suitable location is located that it would take 15-40 years of work to develop it. (http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-797)

        Please explain WHERE the fuel is going to be put into dry casks, who's going to pay for it, where is it going to be stored? The owners of the reactors have no clue, the government has no clue, so please inform the world of the magical method that you're going to handle all of the HIGHLY radioactive, exceeding dangerous and poisonous material.

        Over and over again I see your comments, short inaccurate statements, attempting to debunk or invalidate other people, yet I have yet to see ANY credible references from you. Other people have called you on this and you have yet to prove yourself. Until you can credibly back up ANY of your statements, you will be constantly considered a 'Troll' and a pro-nuke talking head.

        • Ontological Ontological

          The idiots are dragging the spent fuel by my & many others homes, out to Mercury, and burring them like cat turds in the sand! This is our bran new "high tech" way of disposing SEVERAL countries garbage now!

  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    "A Japanese research institute on nuclear decommissioning will ask 3 non-Japanese experts for advice on scrapping reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi "

    AG was conspicuously absent in the NHK video…

  • Ontological Ontological

    "Under the present plan, removing nuclear fuel debris from the reactors will start as early as in the first half of 2020. How that will be done is yet to be decided as not much is known about the exact state of the damaged fuel that will require sophisticated technologies to remove".
    I hope this isn't another "wait until next century for "newly developed technologies" delay tactic. Hasn't worked for all the other "new" tech. The plan to burry spent fuel in the sands of Mercury Nv. like cat turds; was our answer to Yucca Mt. for disposal of spent fuel rods.
    If they follow suit then most likely that "new" tech will be a bulldozer bot programmed to push it all over the edge as many out here foresee.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      @Ontological said: "bulldozer bot programmed to push it all over the edge as many out here foresee." Recent excavating equipment has a CAN bus which allows one to simply plug into this bus and control the equipment via remote control. Add a camera and you're good to go. Time to radiation harden this stuff and get working. But they won't due to the olympics. Priorities.

  • wetpwcas1 wetpwcas1

    The PR Firms are now at full force, but soon as more sickness hits they will make up more bull shit & millions will fall for it to TV & movie stars start to speak out! Ot Fukushima lights up the sky for the whole world to see & then just hug the ones close to you its over folks.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      "Ot Fukushima lights up the sky for the whole world to see & then just hug the ones close to you its over folks."

      Howdy hey, Wet.



      Truly, the Light is the Knowledge, and IT is getting out all over the world. Sad part is, no one cares enough to do anything about it, and the reptiles will be among the last to go.


    How heavy water can lead to a massive explosion: "With regard to the three radioactive molten coriums that are currently boring their way into the deep crevices of the Earth's mantle, deeper and deeper into the planet. An underground hydrogen explosion so massive it would literally ransack the planet. A fissle event, an underground hydrogen bomb blast more powerful than any we have ever seen. The possibility of a tritium-deuterium fusion reaction that triggers a plutonium blast.."The blast could blow the ground into the sky momentarily lifting the Fukushima reactors. Then, everything will come crashing down into the gaping pit ending any hopes of quelling the meltdowns. The release of vast amounts of radiation would force evacuation of nuclear plants across Japan resulting in dozens more meltdowns. Civilization would become untenable, as hundreds of millons of casualties mount. This would probably be a best-case scenario since the downward blast force could have more dire consequences"……Yoichi Shimatsu

    • Ontological Ontological

      Methane hydrate (frozen natural cooking gas) would be a likely explosive force of that magnitude if it happened. Could theoretically lead to a crustal displacement.

      • Ontological Ontological

        Also under extreme pressure water begins to become "chemically bizarre", and due to a cold fusion process; can "burn without flame". If the Methane hydrate did boil from disturbance, the pressures may be sufficient to cause this phenomenon adding to the event. This does not mean I am saying the world will blow up. Yet anyways. Super volcanic outbursts may work like this to a certain degree.


      • James Tekton James Tekton

        Gom quoted well:

        "This would probably be a best-case scenario since the downward blast force could have more dire consequences"……Yoichi Shimatsu"

        Ommmmm and peace to you Gom.

        This same statement was said here years ago and now, it is becoming apparent that his is more true, than not.

        From this story above:

        "The authorities still do not know exactly what is going on inside the reactor."

        Speaking of not, the evil of the pure insanity of continuing this horrendous lie and cover up is well exemplified by this ludicrous and maliciously evil line of lies. You can bet your sweet-bippy they know more about what it IS DOING, than NOT knowing. The crime of what is happening in the ongoing cover up by so many, is almost as great as the crime of making it happen with the stuxnet virus in the first place.


        Surly, everyone here feels the gut wrenching of anger when it all still comes down to these heathen liars and dis-information specialists pushing this line of horse-piss. In fact, JT is sorry that anger is even expressed to the uninitiated here.(wtf)

        We all have major concerns, and everyone here should self bless themselves for caring this much.

        Any radiation in ANY amount is bad…period!

        ANY asshat that comes here to detract and mis-inform is not worth the dirt it would take to bury them six feet under.


        • James Tekton James Tekton

          ANY asshat that comes here to detract and mis-inform is not worth the dirt it would take to bury them six feet under.


          • GOM GOM

            James: How can a nation be so dumbed down as to not recognize that radiation in any form is lethal, eventually. Smiling kids picking up debris from Fuku. Ain't that cute? Didn't their parents think it was strange to sign a waiver? Daily exposure to kids will be disastrous. And it will show quickly. We will never hear unless these morons show up on TV crying with their lawyers. Flashback to BP. Same thing down here, signed waivers. I remember one guy, Pensacola Greg. Reported from the beaches. I thought it was suicidal, heard he got sick, he was 30. Lots of Mexicans cleaning [choke] the beaches. All sick and dying. Nurses in the ER's were quitting and leaving. Too many sick. Lots of respiratory stuff. Assume the worse. It just keeps coming don't it?…

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            87.5% of all these children and people roaming these beaches picking up this debris will be diagnosed with cancer and/or related diseases from Nuclear Radiation Contamination before they die.

            15% will die from natural should be normal causes.. 🙂

          • socref

            calling a person a name like that is infantile.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      Shimatsu: Mega Nuclear Explosion Possible within Earth’s Crust Due to Uncontrollable Molten Coriums at Fukushima

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne


      “On August 12th, 2013, Yoichi Shimatsu: veteran environmental reporter for the Japan Times, warned of the worse case scenario on how the corium reaching the heavy water within the earth's water table could lead to a massive explosion, saying, "…and more ominous, the possibility of a tritium-deuterium fusion reaction that triggers a plutonium blast more powerful than the 2011 explosion at reactor 3…..”

      • James Tekton James Tekton



        Ommmmmm, Anne.

        So ah, tell us what you really think!

        More supportive energy to you and yours.


    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

      “Radioactive poisons are not green, nor do they have any smell, or taste, but Radiation in the form of cesium, gamma rays, tritium, MOX fuel, …the whole spectrum of our world's military's most lethal, manufactured and enriched warhead and ammunition plutonium and uranium IS being released in HUGE amounts, both into our oceans, and air….

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “the possibility of a tritium-deuterium fusion reaction that triggers a plutonium blast more powerful than the 2011 explosion at reactor 3…" He went on to say, "The serial nuclear blasts could blow the ground into the sky, momentarily lifting the Fukushima reactors. Then everything will come crashing down into the gaping pit, ending any hopes of quelling the meltdowns. Needless to say, the nuclear workers and local population would be killed by the blast wave or the lethal emissions. The release of vast amounts of radiation would force the evacuation of nuclear plants in operation across Japan, resulting in dozens more meltdowns."

        "’Civilization will become untenable, as hundreds of millions of casualties mount. [worldwide] This is probably a 'best-case' scenario, since the downward blast force could have more dire consequences.’
        “Shimatsu went further, saying that an E.L.E. [Extinction Level Event] scenario could develop if this radioactive mess is not cleared up and FAST! [but NO-ONE KNOWS HOW TO CLEAR THIS UP…] He said, ‘An explosion like that, with that much fuel down there, triggered by tritium -heavy water- would send a shock-wave through the rock in all directions, but especially downward. That shock-wave could theoretically, as it drives as far as the earth's mantle, through solid crust… and form basically a spike. A spike that would go like a nail that would drive right down into the more liquid part of the [Earth's] mantle.’
        “He said the…

        • GOM GOM

          Thank-you Anne. This needs to get out and I am exhausted.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            GOM, rest up as this battle has just begun! 🙂

            • James Tekton James Tekton

              "GOM, rest up as this battle has just begun! :)"

              Ditto that, Obe.

              But please be reminded that many have been fighting the battle against radiation and nuklear fallout since the fifties. It has only done everything we all said it would do, and more. ANYTHING nuklear is pure EVIL.

              The sad part is, no one cares to pay attention enough to actually change this evil that profits from the deaths of many, and eventually the deaths of the entire planets biological population.

              If this is not stopped, and as many know in the heart part that is the best truth detector there is, THIS FUKUSHIMA DRILL IS AN EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT if it is not stopped soon, like yesterday!

              Any fool can story plot this huge population elimination agenda and the UN IMF Agenda 21 to depopulate the lands and waterways.

              Oh, and for those who think they will escape this by going to the SH, check this story out and remember, the historic radiation from all the nuklear testing they did down there in the Pacific that blows east all over SA, is very very bad. Anyone who thinks they will escape this is just plain ol stupid to think so.


          • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

            That news definitely knocks the wind out of you, doesn't it? I'm fatalistic so I no longer go into panic mode when this type of info is presented. Hmmm….wait, my first reaction was to blame this reaction on this particular news but actually I think my exhaustion is having this information in an environment where I am expected to go out and never speak of it. It has only served to separate me from my friends as they have started to treat me like an idiot. Even my non-Fukushima comments are challenged as incorrect and inferior thinking. I have started avoiding them as its gotten ugly.

            • bo bo


              'actually I think my exhaustion is having this information in an environment where I am expected to go out and never speak of it. It has only served to separate me from my friends as they have started to treat me like an idiot. Even my non-Fukushima comments are challenged as incorrect and inferior thinking. I have started avoiding them as its gotten ugly.'

              I'm with you on this.

              • Sky-Valley Sky-Valley

                Me too – I got "booted" from the SimplyInfo.org chatroom for having a difference of opinion with one of the Admins . . . you can't disagree or even add logical thought to the discussion process. It HAS gotten ugly. . . . 🙁 It was nice meeting you there bo – we had some nice conversations. Keep up your great work!

            • Ontological Ontological

              Get persistent to educate family, you know your not an idiot, many of us know what that is like to be treated less than human due to our knowledge.
              Never stoop to their level of expectation concerning you.

              I shoveled a major load of bullshit to survive cancer. Have in this last year wondered why. To continue a ray of hope for those reporting they have cancer. 'Moral' support, haven't heard that word in a while. I have nothing for sale, nothing to hide, no credibility to shred, nothing to loose. And have no desire to do more than shine truth on those in need of hope. But if we cannot have freedom of speech, there is no freedom.

              Ok my can of Alpo beef chunks for the trolls today.

              • GOM GOM

                Can I ask if you are from NV? Do you know it's history? Do you think your illness is related? I moved after 20 years in Las Vegas due to the obvious increase in thyroid issues, respiratory illnesses, and women with bleeding problems. I mean no disrespect as the women were in my family. My niece starting 'bleeding' at 11 years old. I also had severe problems that 'magically' has gone away [with a little help from shitaki mushrooms]

            • GOM GOM

              Phil, "your friends treat you like an idiot' and when I mentioned nuclear fallout on produce [at the grocer] some lady threatened to call security! We live daily with the quiet knowledge of impending disaster and have, by now, accepted it. What frightens me is when all the naysayers finally realize what is happening….well, go from there.

              • I stick to friends and family. May mention something in passing about avoiding seafood and monitoring the crops, they don't ask questions because they know I'll pour forth technicalities they don't care to try and understand. They simply state, "ah, Fukushima" under their breath and let it go.

                But I know that what I've said about avoiding seafood and taking care of food choices has registered, because they know I'm keeping track. It will lead to them making better food choices, and that's enough.

            • Ana Ana

              @ Phil, yes my friends and family now tune me out. I am the most educated and broadly experienced out of all of them and now I am regarded as a "debbie downer nut job". Does not matter that I do not pass on all the info but selected well researched bits. They don't want to hear any of it and now glaze over no matter what the topic is if I say something. I am, even at this age, learning something sad about human nature.

              This "glaze over effect" is what I am afraid of. We need angry people who are focused to make things change and all I see in my personal life (with the exception of the people here on ENE) are the glazed over ones. I honestly don't know what it will take to make them snap their glazed eyes into focus.

              Ana in Sacramento 🙁

              • James Tekton James Tekton

                "I honestly don't know what it will take to make them snap their glazed eyes into focus."

                Hi, Ana.

                Sad unreality, in the reality is THIS:

                You have to bare in mind that the plan to dumb down the American nation has, along with the medical mafia population reduction/elimination agenda 21, the common core commie edumacation in the pre-schools, has been ongoing for many years. Only recently has the light been focused on all the different vectors they use to keep the world's people sick, and dying. Now, you have the final straw, the fukushima tool for the last phase of the population elimination agenda.

                People are so stupid, that if you screamed NUKLEAR WAR to them, they would just shrug like it is no big deal. THAT, is the epitome of ignorance, and the Greatest Sin.

                We often ask people to make them think, what instantly unites all people everywhere? After many answers, once in a while the actual one, we offer this as the answer to the question asked, and to yours here also: An Emergency, or major disaster.

                Unfortunately, this is what it will take for people to wake up but by that time, IT WILL BE TOO LATE for many millions slated to be sacrificed by satan/rothschild killing murderous nuklear fukushima machine.

                The evil empire of the money-god knows that and thus, the dis/mis-informationists and detractors from this horrible truth. Any scumbag that would conflict with this truth is just stupid. Might even have to invent a new word for being more stupid,…

                • James Tekton James Tekton

                  The evil empire of the money-god knows that and thus, the dis/mis-informationists and detractors from this horrible truth. Any scumbag that would conflict with this truth is just stupid. Might even have to invent a new word for being more stupid, than stupid.


                • We Not They Finally

                  Here you go with the "satan/Rothschild agenda" again. You (and David Duke! — you are NOT in good company) seem to think that "zionism" is a banking scheme, as per the Jew-hating fraud, "The Protocol of the Elders of Zion." Again, for the FIFTH TIME AT LEAST, this is HATE SPEECH. I'm Jewish and my own ancestors emigrated to America to escape pogroms, not to build banks. Zionism was founded by Theodore Herzl, not the Rothschilds. For Jews to come in from out of the diaspora.

                  I don't defend Israel's policies. But where YOU are is anti-semitic, and that's just filth and needs to stop.

        • tsfw tsfw

          And here I was worried about it causing earthquakes,eek.

          • I've tried and tried, but cannot seem to envision this scenario with what we do know of the situation at Daiichi. First, the concern with underground explosion faded rather quickly due to the fact that the facility sits on basically liquified ground. With significant fissures. No cap-lock on the underground 'river' that runs through it. Then the fact that the coriums are in water and have been since the first weeks of the disaster. Then the fact that tritium+deuterium do not equal plutonium. No way, no how. No sustained fission in blobs of molten metal, and fissile content is nowhere near high enough for explosive critical mass. Physics.

            They're already IN "the earth's water table" and that water's flowing – as it always has – out to sea. If there was ever real danger of big hydro explosion beneath the plants, it passed long ago when daily quakes shattered the landfill the facility is built on. Now we've got crusty, simmering vampire squids of corium sitting in groundwater contaminating the hell out of it and the ocean it flows into. And steaming out the topless ruins constantly, whether that steam can be seen or not. That's plenty bad enough, though not as spectacular an imaginative Doomsday scenario for some folks as they'd like. I think Shimatsu is playing to an audience.

        • socref

          Disagree with this assessement. Its fatalistic.

      • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

        “He said the repercussions of such an event would mean ‘…the end of the Earth as a living thing.’……"

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          @anne: you're smarter than me, do you consider this remotely possible? He's an environmental reporter. I guess the thing to do is watch those that would know something like this is possible and see what they do. Of course, what does someone who knows there could be an ELE, do? Strange times.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            If you want my opinion, I really don't know. But I'm sure it is very, very bad. And because much of the world is going on and building more nuclear reactors and mining for uranium and thorium, I don't see much hope that things will ever get better.

            And the US is going to be shipping huge amounts of nuclear waste across the country, accidents are waiting to happen. And they haven't shut down all their Mark I reactors. Until the politicians and banksters wake up it is going to keep getting worse very quickly.

            I believe, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I think you just do the best you can so you have no regrets.


          • socref

            Looks like a lot of people are smarter.

    • socref

      You are referring to a criticality excursion. It wont go off as you say. I would stick to medicine, and let folks like me work out the excursion kinetics of molten corium. Its in my baliwick. Thanks.

    • harengus_acidophilus

      And? How?

      "How heavy water can lead to a massive explosion"
      But what you cite is a bunch of "IFs", with no HOW.

      Do you like fear?


  • charlie3

    "It would force evacuation of nuclear plants across Japan resulting in dozens more meltdowns. Civilization would become untenable, as hundreds of millons of casualties mount. This would probably be a best-case scenario since the downward blast force could have more dire consequences"……Yoichi Shimatsu"
    OK, how much worse can this nightmare situation get? What is he alluding to here, with the
    "This would probably be a best-case scenario since the downward blast force could have more dire consequences"……Yoichi Shimatsu"".

  • homeenergyexpert homeenergyexpert

    Over 75 Navy Personnel on the USS Ronald Reagan Carrier have Cancers from needless exposure, because TEPCO refused to tell all 1st Responders to withdrawal, because #3 Daiichi Reactor was about to Explode. They knew for two days reactors 1,2,3 were in meltdown. Support our 1st Responders, sign and circulate this petition for justice! https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Tokyo_Electric_Power_Company_the_governments_of_Japan_the_US_Help_Irradiated_Fukushima_First_Responders_from_USS_Ronald_/

    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      With all due respect, those navy personnel, who I really do want to support, were on a nuclear powered vessel that has its own monitors. Accounts claim officers and pilots were given KI pills but not the lower rank and file which indicates the Navy knew. I am no apologist for TEPCO, believe me but where is the finger pointing at the men that protected themselves but refused to help the men/women they sailed along side of?


    Charlie: "An explosion like that underground with that much fuel down there, is triggered by tritium-heavy water- would send a shockwave through the rock in all directions especially downward. That shockwave, theoretically, as it drives as far as the Earth's mantle, through the solid crust and form basically a spike. A spike that would go like a nail that would drive down to the more liquid part of the mantle. The repercussions of such an event would mean: the end of Earth as a living thing". …Yoichi Shimatsu


    To All: Please pray or meditate for Mr. Shimatsu. Good-night.

  • What a pity Leni Riefenstahl isn't alive any more. I'm sure she would have delivered an unprecedented cinematic experience. OLYMPIA 2020 on X-ray film in 100K-half-life resolution and 3R* ™ extended spectrum technology, complemented by SDDAA** ™ sound using the latest SSEB*** ™ extension.
    It would definitely make her 1938 movie about the the Berlin 1936 Olympics look like an old black-and-white with noisy, monaural sound and a very pale Führer.

    *Alpha, Beta, Gamma rays
    **Sony Dynamic Doom All Around Sound
    ***Sub-Sonic Earthquake Bass

  • Socrates

    Really frickin' unbelievable…. The entire thing. They are in so far above their heads it's incredible. Yet, they persist in this madness even to this minute.

    The constant low dose exposures will take their toll. The devil will take his due. The Faustian bargain…

    Immune systems were not designed for increased radiation. These guys played God and we all will be punished. Hubris was known since antiquity.

  • FXofTruth

    I disagree (respectfully) –

    "Father, forgive them NOT, for they KNOW EXACTLY what they do!

    "They care NOT about your children now, of yet to be born!"
    "They care NOTHING about the innocent animals and beautiful planet you gave to live and be happy on."

    "Cast all of them to burn in HELL, all those worshipers of Satan and greed and death that are connected to this wanton destruction of the paradise you gave us to live in and teach your ways to move mankind forward!"

    "By their own lustful desires for power and dominance, their hands built a temple to Satan that created a part of Hell on Earth!"
    "Take their wretched bodies from Earth and send their evil spirit to be forever dammed in the fiery home of their black God, Satan!"

    Now that's a prayer with a message of hope for a better World.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Note on the NRC document..who they list as assisting from the US.. the DOE, the FDA, NOAA, and the EPA.

    Laughable and tragic…

  • Nick

    This weekend I ran into a woman whom I grew up with. We had not seen each other for years and after a quick update on family stuff I asked her about how much she knew about Fukushima. Enough to make her concerned, but no details. I quickly got her up to speed and left her with the rejoinder…"Love what you have now, you'll never know when a death of someone close to you sneaks up on you….."

    30 minutes later, miles away, the FIRST piece of information I got at a family gathering was the news of the unexpected and sudden death of a cousin a few days earlier.

    It was if I had seen my own immediate future when talking earlier to that old time friend. The very scenario that I warned her about had just happened to me and my family.

    The sobs, the tears, the ache. Yeah I am saddened by my cousin's passing, but me emotions extend to us all and what we are faced with.

    Later, I asked another relative about heavy leaf litter drops that I have been seeing. Her daughter is friends with a leaf litter researcher and we all agreed to follow up on our collective observations. At this point anecdotal. This relative is an avid birder and was devastated to learn (from me) about the recent bald eagle deaths.

    Be strong all. I know exactly WHAT the missing cores are doing. The evidence is piling up all around us.

    • newsblackoutUSA newsblackoutUSA

      @Nick…I am so sorry for your loss…I fear there will be many family members who will suffer the sane fate in the months, years to come.

      My friend's healthy 32 yo husband died in 2012 suddenly from lymphoma out of nowhere. They lived near Anaheim, CA. I have had several friends come down with various cancers in the past year, and are under going treatment.

      I have been seeing a big leaf drop from a lime and orange tree, also the blossoms are malformed as with my rose bush. I thought maybe it was just mine, but others around me are experiencing similar anomalies.

      • We Not They Finally

        We recently had a friend suddenly diagnosed with TWO different types of lymphoma simultaneously — MALT and papillary. One tumor was thyroid, which is still a rare cancer; the other was lung for a non-smoker.

        "Out of nowhere." Exactly.

    • name999 name999

      The changes in the land really shakes me. Everyday that I go outside it is so hard to look at the
      amount of damage to the trees, wildlife, land.

      I have lots of documentation in the form of photos of the black spots on the leaves, the piles of dry brown leaves falling off or remaining on the trees, just brown and dead. I saw this on both the East Coast and West Coast last year.

    • artika rama

      JP fukushima is many times worse than chernobyl . Massive cover up going on .

      • JP JP

        Yes artika. I have been following it from the beginning. I recently tested some Maine seaweed Dulse and Kelp with an SEI Inspector and found over 115 CPM. Not sure of the source of contamination but don't want to be eating it.

        • artika rama

          JP The worst part is it is still going on today . Its leaking hundreds of tons of highly radioactvie water and steam and they dont have any clue how to stop it .
          They have been collecting all that highly toxic water in the tanks (tank farm ) which has no where to go except from down the hill into the ocean ; 3 coriums are in the ground directly poisoning an underground river which flows into the ocean ; steam is coming out continuously poisoning the air ; fuel pools are so damaged that nobody can get any fuel out of them untill the next earth quake crashes the whole site down and all that mox fuel burns in open air ; AND THEY KNOW IT !! they know it is a hopeless situation . Nobody can do anything about it and it is going to get worse ,, much , much worse.
          All they can do is cover up the whole situation NOT to cause panic , thats ALL THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT . Thats why the secrecy law , thats why no media reports are allowed , no drones no helicopters can even fly over fukushima to take photos , and thats why theya re covering the units with kevlar curtains so that nobody can see whats going on in there .
          This is a disaster of unknown proprtions and going to get much worse unfortunately . We are being fed with tiny bits and pieces of info , just like the frogs in a pan , and they are turning the heat up bit by bit ,, till the public is tired of fukushima . Till everyone gets insensible to it ,, untill a nuclear disaster becomes another news article like bad economy or…

    • GOM GOM

      This is a great video and backs up the understanding that radioactivity can uptake itself into metals. At least SOME kinds of radioactive materials. I thought that only MOX type mixtures could do this? So, was Chernobyl really MOX reactors? Confused…

      • harengus_acidophilus

        Are we live in the same universe?

        "radioactivity can uptake itself into metals."

        Please educate yourself!

        Neutrons can activate all kinds of elements
        (not only metals) and also in some cases
        very intense gamma rays.

        If we want to argue honest, we have to learn how "the world works". If we have just nebulous ideas and feelings – no one will listen.


        • GOM GOM

          harengus; Look, we are all on the edge, I get it. But if someone is a little confused about an issue, shouldn't you at least try to help without going all ballistic? Go get a beer or something.

          • Don't be discouraged. Radioactive isotopes can and do bond with other elements (metal, mineral and others) to form compounds – multi-atom molecules, where just one or more of the atoms is a self-destruct time bomb. Just as tritium bonds with oxygen to be found almost always as tritiated water rather than loose isotopes.

            Atoms with unstable numbers of protons and/or neutrons will still behave like stable atoms of the same element. Until they self-destruct, that is. Back in '79 they did this big study of how come the place with the most Ph.D.s per capita – Los Alamos, NM – also had the highest per capita cancer rate. By the time it was over they'd decided to blame the green chili peppers that are grown throughout the area. Who knew green chili peppers cause cancer?!?

            Turned out that the labs were dumping tritium (as water) into the drainage arroyos on the reservation. The arroyos channel water (when they've got some) into the many irrigation canals serving the farms growing things like green chili peppers. Chili peppers, like most other fruits and vegetables (and critters) are mostly made of water. Voila! Self-destructing green chili peppers – and everything else grown and/or sustained with that water.

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Yes, surely the use of the scientific method of our choice, for that study. 🙁

              • Well, I laughed darned hard about self-destructing green chili peppers, for sure. But I also didn't get my green chili peppers from Los Alamos area farms. They had/have much bigger issues at Los Alamos than tritium in the arroyos.

                In the same time period they were looking around to find out how come commuters skirting the lab on the way to and from Santa Fe daily (northward) were showing up with irradiated bones. Turned out the target area of their linear accelerator sat right off the right-of-way, and the poor commuters were getting blasted twice a day. So they had to shut it down… (boo-hoo).

                So just for future reference, don't build your house on top of the target zones for either linear accelerators or cyclotrons. And if you have to drive over or next to said target zones, check first to find out when they're blasting. §;o)

                • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                  Got a call today as a patient came into the Davis Medical Center with a very bad cough. When they tried to help him out to find out the problem they discovered he had cancer running all through him. 🙁

                  He red line and then died! Here is the kicker!

                  He was only 25 years old!

                  It has begun and the river of cancer death will run rapid through California and it is all because of the failed technology known as Nuclear Technology! 🙁 Shut this crap down worldwide! Now!

                  The "truth" that comith this way will shock us all soon! 🙁

                • Ana Ana

                  The only surviving child of my best friend has just gotten a serious job at Los Alamos Labs in NM. I used to tutor him at my kitchen table, and he went on to get a PhD in chemistry. He has completely blown me off regarding Fukushima and now I see that Los Alamos has been irradiating the surrounding countryside. He won't listen to me and it would kill my friend if he died too. I don't know what to do.
                  Ana in Sacramento

                  • We Not They Finally

                    We're in Albuquerque, where beta has spiked as high as 1,000 CPM! Talked with someone in the local health foods market and he said, oh, that's not from Fukushima — it's from Los Alamos.

                    It's likely from BOTH. We so need to move!

                    • Los Alamos is on the eastern side of the state, and north of Albequerque. Anything it dumps goes mostly to Kansas. Prevailing winds, prevailing weather patterns. If it's coming from the west you should look west for the source. You've some a lot closer than Daiichi.

                    • socref

                      Its probably from the natural fluctuation. CPM isnt correlated to dose. Instruments have to be calibrated.

                  • LA is doing better now than in the '70s and early '80s. Or, I'd hope so since they had to shut down the accelerator and clean up their tritium act. Biggest problem (outside post-grads copping z's behind inadequate shielding) is when they have a brush fire. Because a lot of the brush is radioactive.

                    The training itself can be a problem, in that they hardly ever tell up-and-comers what it's really like, and some are simply blind to it even after they know better. I've thought of it kind of like nurse training. Where nurses are taught doctors are basically demigods who can do no wrong, and they must always defer. Even when they know better. Those are tough nuts to crack, and once cracked they tend to leave the professions rather than stay and try to clean it up.

                    Wish him well, he may live long and prosper. You never know!

          • harengus_acidophilus

            More begging than "Please"?

            How to find the difference between truth,
            uncharted territory and deception?

            The only way for me: self education.
            It's work, sometimes hard work, but it must be done.
            Nature don't lie, humans do.


  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, but it will be much worse for Japan! 🙁

  • Just a reminder folks. There are limited benefits to feeding of trolls. Try to avoid it.

  • weeman

    .] contaminated water leaks out of the basements into the soil and the groundwater, despite the outside water table being higher.
    This does not make sense, it does not follow the fundamental laws of nature and is not believable.
    Simple if the water on the outside is higher than outside, then water pressure would contain contamination in basement and all you have to do is make sure the water level on outside is higher than inside, by pumping water to tanks etc.
    If the corium was ex building there would be three big holes through foundation and water level would be equal, we need conformation of this fact?
    All the physics in the world will not change the laws of nature sorry.

    • If the basements were solidly enclosed and the water table (which is now ground level) outside would keep the grossly contaminated basement water from getting out. Deal is, the basements are cracked rather badly and pipe-fittings allow groundwater in as well, and the groundwater on the outside is in motion – flowing (like a river) offshore to rise in 'seeps' inside and outside the inadequate seawall. So it's carrying grossly contaminated water that was in the basements along with it to the sea.

      • GOM GOM

        I hope this question doesn't appear too stupid. But you are talking water. Isn't most of the 'flow' water coming from a nearby mountain? When it goes through the plant and into the sea is it hot or cool?

      • Questionit

        Water will respond to pressure. If pressure outside a wall is greater the water will not flow out. Are the basements filled with water to ground level? Reports seem to say no. The upstream side and the floor should have sufficient pressure differential to prevent water from seeping out. The downstream wall could allow the seepage out but then the only force pushing it out is gravity on the depth of water inside the building.

        The amount of water moving through the basement due to cracks on a relative basis is small. I do not see how this could account for the high contamination in the groundwater.

        The corium must be below the building, interacting freely with the groundwater and radiating all the groundwater that flows in the vicinity.

        • You could be right. I've discounted the flows being essentially below the base pads because it would have been in water from the first days (flows that exited the downcomers to the first basement toruses, or through drain pipes to lower basement levels). Remember the torus basements extend 5 meters below sea level, and that sump pumps that were knocked out in the earthquake are the only things that have kept the basements dry for ~45 years.

          Damage to the foundations and walls of all levels has long been apparent. And if groundwater is freely flowing in, it's also freely flowing out. Perhaps more lately (last few quakes?), as the levels in wells between them and the ocean are going up fast.

          But the same scenario on contamination and eventual release to the ocean would apply if the coriums were outside the basements.

          • weeman

            The only conformation of level of water in foundation comes from tepco and we all know to take that with a pinch of salt, we need conformation, it may tell us if the corium is in building or not.
            Good question about heat of contaminated water, I always wanted to know the temperatures in wells and Harbour but have never seen? Must be hotter than ground water.

            • weeman

              I poised along time ago the question why did tepco build coffer dam, the end result was known it would eventually overflow, so why the effort.
              It is or was Tepco believe that the corium was still in building and wanted to use hydrolic pressure to keep the contaminated water from escaping, was the only reason I could make sense of action?
              Another reason the water in building maybe lower than ground water could be it has direct access to ocean through tunnels and trenches etc.and that is the highest level achievable.

              • weeman

                Can someone tell me how big a hole or pipe you would need for 300 tonnes of water tepco claims flows into ocean each day, let's say at normal household pressure.
                Remember the size of hole that sunk the titanic, in sq ft.

                • weeman

                  1.4 sq meter hole sank the titanic, according to mr. Ballard.

                • They could probably get more than 300 tons from the wiring conduits, much more from the trenches from the turbine buildings if they were open-ended and the supply was steady.

                  300 tons is 60,000 gallons. Or a bit less than 1/10th an Olympic size swimming pool. If your kitchen faucet delivers 3 gallons per minute, it would take you running it a tad less than 14 days, 24 hours a day, to get that much water out. Or, if the supply pipe under your lawn breaks, probably less than a week to leave you with a super-hefty water bill for the month…

                  What's getting out of Daiichi is likely quite a bit more than what they're admitting to.

  • Nick

    I guess our simple hydrogen explosions of Units #1 and #3 are now releasing vast amounts of radiation.

    Somehow, repeating hydrogen explosion over and over just doesn't seem to make the nasty stuff go away.

    In a sense, in doesn't MATTER what made the 2 units go kaboom. They did. No one can say otherwise.

    It's a known fact that ionizing radiation causes certain orifices to enlarge.

    That said, those with said large orifice are more interested in their own sense of superiority than in
    adding to recent thread discussions.

    We don't have enough time for trivial human shit.

    If you are a visitor to this site, you are going to have to learn how to sift the wheat from the chaff.

    • Actually, all 4 units went 'boom'. You only got to see the two that were most spectacular. #2 exploded from the basement – the torus suppression pool – when the corium went through the downcomers. #4 exploded several times, enough to utterly destroy the building but not caught on video from miles away so you didn't see it.

      If those explosions had destroyed any plant anywhere in this or some other country and nobody saw it on television, it wouldn't change a thing – it would still be an INES Level 7 disaster because it's utter destruction and total release.

      • socref

        Hydrogen explosions not nuclear explosions.

        • I didn't say "nuclear" explosions. You're hallucinating. Again.

        • guevara3712

          and what was all that grey and black particulate matter in the cloud of the unit 3 explosion? tell me that all that stuff was concrete pulverized by a hydrogen explosion.go ahead, i want to hear you say that. what was all that material?

          • I think #3 was fundamentally different from #1. A steam explosion (like at Chernobyl) when the molten core hit water. IOW, NOT zirconium oxidation building up hydrogen in the upper stories, but a blow-out from the containment, directed upwards and not outwards.

            • guevara3712

              i agree, just the appearance should tell us it was different. i still consider a prompt moderated criticality like Arnie called it possible as well, though i have seen a good explanation and diagram of what you describe that seemed totally acceptable also.

              • socref

                Prompt moderated criticality would have released a very large neutron blast (1e18) and many people would have got sick.

                The forensics were not there to support his "theory". And its only a theory unless proven by SCIENCE and the scientific method.

                You cant just look at a picture or diagram and come to that conclusion.

                Criticality experts have weighed in and debunked the prompt moderated criticality theory.

    • socref

      Sifting the wheat from the chaff is an art.

      First off, I agree, they were hydrogen and not nuclear explosions. Its one thing that fission products were carried off in the plume, its another thing to say there is forensic evidence of uranium and neutrons as signs of a prompt moderated criticality. THere was not.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "…not much is known about the exact state of the damaged fuel."
    After nearly 3 years. The lack of performance by TEP.gov is simply breathtaking!

    How To Fix Fukushima:
    1. Map Underground Corium.
    2. Stop Groundwater by building an Underground Wall around Reactors1-4.
    3. Grout Reactors1-4, including Containments, Torus, Basements, and Corium Lava Tubes.
    4. Empty Tank Farm into tanker ships, decontaminate water and dump at sea.
    5. Spent Fuel out of SFPs and into Dry Cask Storage.
    6. Decommission all nukes; buildout renewable wind and solar energy worldwide.


    • Ontological Ontological

      Too bad they didn't do 1-5 year one. Option 6 would have prevented all this in the first place 20 years ago.

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      Nothing left there to go boom!

      Corium from Units1-3 has exited the plant area, is now well below the FDNPP, and is no longer much of a danger to humanity, IMHO.

      This doesn't mean that radiation from nuclear debris the cores left behind on their way out isn't destructive to the Pacific Ocean Ecosystem.

      The Underground Wall is still necessary to stop the contamination of groundwater at the site.

      We are very unlikely to witness additional explosions at Fukushima.
      No hydrogen explosion.
      No steam explosion.
      And no nuclear explosion.

      But 690PBq of cesium, equal to a total release of nuclear fuel from Reactors1-3, has been released into the environment, with horrific consequences.

      Where is the damn corium, eh, TEPCO? 😉

      • bwoodfield bwoodfield

        "Corium from Units1-3 has exited the plant area, is now well below the FDNPP, and is no longer much of a danger to humanity, IMHO."

        The fact that they don't know where they are and more than likely have left the building making them a huge danger to humanity. They will continue to poison the oceans for hundreds of years to come.

        • socref

          There is no evidence to support your claim.

          • starz starz

            Good boy! Here is a bone. Now, run along then.

          • bwoodfield bwoodfield

            "There is no evidence to support your claim."

            What claim?

            a) they don't know where they are.. TEPCO have stated that they have no idea where the corium has ended up because the radiation inside the buildings is too high for man or machine to enter.

            b) that the corium have left the building.. the preceding words "more than likely" indicated a proposition, speculation. Given that they have been burning for almost 3 years now with no containment, and the known rate that corium lava can burn through concrete, the speculation isn't unfounded. Corium can melt through 12 inches of concrete in anywhere between 1 to 7 hours and it was days before TEPCO began pouring water into the reactors.

            c) the fact that the oceans will be poisoned for years.. corium is interesting product in that it develops a crust when exposed to water but that crust then continually flakes of radioactive material. We can see the contamination in the constant radiation reading being reported off the coast of Japan.

            My suggestion, go to the Argonne National Lab website, nuclear engineering department. It's a part of the US Department of Energy. They have a whole section on their small scale testing of corium lava and reactor meltdown experiments.

            Also a good read:
            The article has links to the ANL website.

            Again which claim has no evidence.

            • socref

              a) the claim that corium exited the yard.

              b) just because you speculate, doesnt make it true.

              c) "poisoned" is a relative term. Levels matter. The one drop rule doesnt make it "poisoned". If it were poisoned all ocean industry would come to a standstill

              Dude, I am intimately familiar with Argonne.

              If you only knew…..

  • Nick

    The only solution is to IGNORE Fukushima.

    There, I feel much better.

    I will work harder to get others to do the same.


  • Nick


    uh oh……..

    …..radioactive whiskey soon to appear on shelves……

  • Veracity Veracity

    We humans (generally speaking, and certainly not all of us) are very destructive to say the least. No regard for life. It's beyond shameful to destroy an entire planet that thrived with life. It's only a matter of time now and this planet will be desolate…

    We know enough of the truth to know we don't have long. Best to use our days wisely.

  • Socrates

    The Los Angeles Times carried an article in LATEEXTRA Monday, January 13, 2014, entitled: "Coast is clear of radiation danger."

    Nicholas Fisher, a professor of marine science at Stony Brook University.

    "The dose is measurable but extremely low…just like eating a banana…getting medical x-rays…"

    The article concludes that eating sushi and surfing is completely safe.

    The article was written by Tony Barboza.

    Enenewsers should write letters to the Editor. E – mail letters@latimes.com

    Check out guidlines. Latimes.com/letters

    • I cannot believe the incompetency of the author or the newspaper that allowed it.

      I found this clip on the right side.
      .pdf file

    • Having gone back and forth for the last couple of months with Jay Cullen (oceanographer) and reviewing their current pronouncements of "Everything's Fine" against the actual work they've done per monitoring, it's good to bear in mind that they've way overstepped their expertise as well as their authority by making such pronouncements based on limited samples isolated in time for a continuing contamination issue that's been going on for nearly three years 24-7 and isn't scheduled to stop within our lifetimes. Hence the contamination will keep increasing over time, and bioaccumulation will too.

      IOW, it ain't over till it's over, and it won't be over in our lifetimes. Add to that the limitation on isotopes tested for (cesium, no strontium because their sponsors assured them there wasn't any) and the whole thing starts to look like the nuclear PR game it truly is.

      But it doesn't hurt to also understand nobody's going to turn into bleached skeleton just by swimming in the water or eating a tuna sandwich. The hyperbole on that is… hyperbole. We are not talking immediately dangerous zap-unto-death here, we're talking low-level chronic.

    • Daisy207

      Neither bananas or x-rays leave you with plutonium, uranium, thorium,cesium etc x 100 or so more other highly toxic and radioactive metals in your body.

    • bwoodfield bwoodfield

      The main wave of the contamination hasn't even hit the west coast yet. How can they be commenting on the status now when they won't begin seeing the radiation spikes until late spring or summer.

  • babbo dorian babbo dorian

    Scientists overwhelmed because cows falling down from sky. They say is unprecedented and never seen before, but is not related to fukushima.
    Also say it is scaring but not alarmig,
    Jajjqjjqa…. sorry for out of topic… but shills and trolls and oficial press really run me crazy…
    Good wishes for all honest enenewsers…..

  • rogerthat

    Hey folks, dont get hung up on reactor 3's little explosion. Wow, if hydrogen can do that, who needs dynamite or c4 or nuclear weapons!! Holy crap!!

    And remember to keep things in context. It's just one of the BIG LIES that they need to keep repeating or the entire nuke industry will lose its foundations.
    Earlier big lies include that there were no meltdowns. Remember those happy times when Tepco proclaimed that all was well, that cold shutdown had been achieved?
    Then, once the no meltdown lie had lost all credibility, remember the experts that gathered and investigated and studied and finally concluded that the ''meltdowns'' were caused by the tsunami, not the earthquake? That particular lie is repeated less often now, because everyone knows that the plants were already cooking before the tsunami hit.
    Every time Tepco or anyone in authority talks about the explosions, the insertion of the word ''hydrogen'' is mandatory. It's there in every report, across the media, it jumps out at you: remember to say ''hydrogen explosion''. Dont ask questions, don't believe your lying eyes, just say 'hydrogen''.
    So give Socref a break: let him say hydrogen. But I'd suggest that every time he does, post the video of reactor 3's astounding demise – the slow-mo, technicolor, full sound version – and let people make up their own minds; then, if they are into explosives, they can go and get themselves some of that thar hydrogen!!
    For my part, i'll know what i…

  • Folks, keep in mind the limited benefit of responding to trolls. We have seen 85% of all the lies in the last weeks.

    Now the troll is gaming you into reactions.

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Was this posted?

    Fukushima – A Global Threat That Requires a Global Response:



  • Sol Man

    To the naysayers: right, nothing bad with three coriums seeking a steady state in an other wise corium-free world! (wrong!)

    Most people here at enenews do not need an education at elite universities to have long ago been made to understand that the world changed forever in the worst way after the Chicago Piles. It has brought us here were three coriums (at least) are seeking equilibrium. It is very bad news.

  • RememberThis RememberThis

    I have to admit….watching sucrets (socref) get buried is quite enjoyable….and you all do a GREAT job.
    But he is payed to do it, and watched over by his handlers.
    He is like the worm at the bottom of the tequila bottle, he will enjoy a great buzz….till he hits bottom.
    He is doing that now.

  • name999 name999

    …it is a balance, but worth using him as a foil sometimes. And once you get used to him he
    really just keeps saying pretty much the same thing. But the responses educate folks who might want to hear someone like him get a response. It can help us know what to say to folks who might
    spout the disinformation that is widely circulating in the media.

    Its the big lie and needs to be addressed as such which happens here quite handily.

    At times best to ignore though…

  • tsfw tsfw

    Super enlightening short docu "The Psychology of Power".


    There is one person in here who I hope watches this, maybe he will better understand where he fits in the game.

  • Arizonan Arizonan

    The NRC reported on this groundwater/undersea leak in both Sept and Dec 2013, the same week there was that terrible misinformation campaign about the steam from Unit3 meaning that it was about to explode and how we needed to evacuate the West Coast. Yes, the radiation evils in the Pacific and along the coast will now continue to rise, basically forever, but we are not all going to die immediately. Neither is the life in the water. We will all just get sicker and sicker earlier and earlier. Maybe this story is the one that was being covered up by all that disinformation.

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