Japanese Nuclear Expert: Melted reactor cores not in one piece at Fukushima, as gov’t claims — I think nuclear fuel scattered everywhere, stuck to walls — Chernobyl-like sarcophagus may be needed — Nothing has been done, by time they deal with this I’ll be long dead

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Radio Forum #72, May 24, 2014 — Translated by DISSENSUS JAPAN, June 10, 2014:

  • Jiro Ishimaru, host: They don’t even know where the melted fuel is. What is the current situation of the melted fuel?
  • Hiroaki Koide, professor at Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute: Nothing has been done. I don’t think the melted fuel is sitting in one piece as TEPCO and the government imagine. Probably, many pieces are scattered everywhere in the reactor vessel. For example, there are pieces stuck to the wall, I think. If, for example, they somehow can collect 50 pieces of debris they can’t collect the other 50; if many workers are forced to be exposed to radiation to do this ineffective job, I think it’s better to just contain it like the Chernobyl sarcophagus.
  • Ishimaru: It is going to be a long road to decommissioning…
  • Koide: The government says it will take 40 years, but that is not going to be enough at all. When they finish, I will have been dead for a long time.

Translation of interview here | Audio of interview here (Japanese)

See also: Japan Nuclear Professor: It's feared Fukushima fuel pool to "collapse in" at any time; "Any scale of accident is possible" -- Expert warns ice wall increases risk that reactor units will move or shift; Buildings 'very precarious' even without frozen barrier being constructed (AUDIO)

And: Japan TV 'News Flash': Officials fear melted reactor fuel is now exposed at Fukushima -- Tepco: We don't know at this point if fuel is uncovered -- Large drop in water level -- Experts 'struggling' to find condition of nuclear cores, nothing is known for all 3 reactors (VIDEO)

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152 comments to Japanese Nuclear Expert: Melted reactor cores not in one piece at Fukushima, as gov’t claims — I think nuclear fuel scattered everywhere, stuck to walls — Chernobyl-like sarcophagus may be needed — Nothing has been done, by time they deal with this I’ll be long dead

  • Cooter cooterboy

    "When they finish, I will have been dead for a long time."

    Exactly my thoughts.

    Peace,


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  • SadieDog

    "nothing has been done" , How's that fuel removal going in #4 tepco?


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    • And where are those multiple melted out coriums TEPCO?

      Including the one that came out of building #4…


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      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Multiple meltdowns means the powers in charge have no remediation in mind. To instigate serious remediation, …even if they had a plan…would expose too much and place their "house of cards" in peril. And as a side note…if 50% of the U.S. population thinks the earth is some 6000 years old…its not a stretch to think that elite power players are banking on rapture/divine intervention. This would reduce their motivation for remediation to zero.

        Its so important to bury the entire complex in a mountain of volcanic ash/diatomacious earth/clay with rubber top. Tunnels could easily be installed which would allow future access by robot etc. A ground barrier…not ice…surrounding the plant and sand/clay in the bay. Radioactive waste water should be pumped inland…they can do it. This is the cheapest remedy/filtration method. It would buy precious time and perhaps forestall destruction of the Pacific.


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        • We Not They Finally

          Am TOTALLY in favor of the radioactive waste water being pumped inland, but the people should be evacuated first. Japan is gone anyway. The hubris of killing off the rest of the world too is beyond the beyond. What sick bastards who think that the whole world should die for their sins.


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  • bo bo

    Didn't someone say that a sarcophagus doesn't work with fuku because 'a river runs through it' situation? If you pour concrete over the surface it would make it even harder to remedy what is happening deep underground, where it touches aquifier? I feel like I'm going around in circles inside my head. :(


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    • bo bo

      Where 'it' touches aquifier – 'it' meaning, the unaway corium.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      correct, bo. The geology differs greatly from the Chernobyl region…


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      • bo bo

        Thanks for the confirmation Aftershock….
        PS – I also do recall, that in the longer run – geology is actually the same at Chernobyl…. though a MUCH slower process – Chernobyl corium will also eventually reach the aquifier underground then flow into the Dnieper River – which supplies 80 % of the water for the Ukraine region. Sarcophagus and encasement doesn't really stop anything permanently.

        Again, correct me if I'm wrong – engineers, I think I learned this bit of info off of one of you here.


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        • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

          at some point, bo, aquifers are found most everywhere. Difference is found in overbearing strata. The criteria for locating an NPP is primarily based on required volume and availability of cooling water. In other words, actual geological conditions take a backseat to financial costs. As they'd never acknowledge the potential for failure, nuclear design engineers are only concerned that their designs not physically sink and therefore ignore the risks to aquifers. WIPP is an excellent example of their insularity; Fukushima's but another, in a long list of the nuke-industry's myopic vision…


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          • Shaker1

            I agree, Aftershock, but I also see it as a grand societal failure. Personally, on its face, I feel that nuclear 'at its core' is not a sound idea for reasons that design engineers as well and you and I could (and have) enumerate(d). But engineers are educated to be compromised, their models are the 'acceptable risk' idea especially with things that can't be chiefly and simply overwhelmed (building like a brick shithouse) and the public is fooled into the idea. I'll admit, too, that if some engineers opened their mouths at the time of building with words such as the Japanese man who wrote a lengthy piece to support claims that the places are basically built by amateurs and not by the likes of NASA contractors as some might think (and dated, I believe, to 1999), it may have been a bit different. But public attitudes from many perspectives accepted it for willful lack of knowledge, general lack of understanding, assumed desire and/or need for energy, belief in some future yet unimagined corrective technology, assumed financial benefits (which equals willful lack of knowledge in my view), or maybe just not giving a shit. I just shrug. Just what does happen when one doesn't chain a viscious dog? What Kiode may have said is that he (and untold numberous others) may be lllllong dead before this is solved, and engineering will only be the tool of those enlightened enough to change their attitude, if engineering at this point solves anything at all.


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            • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

              brilliant thoughts, Shaker1…


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              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Agreed, Shaker1 is very wise! And engineering at this point "has not solved" anything at all. :(


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              • Shaker1

                I'm increasingly disturbed that more and more Asian countries that don't have the technological background or even the basic knowledge that might be in the trades are looking to build these things. Recently I read about a deal between Hitachi and Vietnam to build four reactors in the country. Don't they understand that the promise there might be of some energy independence is accompanied with the reliance upon others who don't have a direct stake in the country or the impetus of their society? I'm reminded of the time that the outfit I worked for hired as summer help a college student from India here in the US. In speaking with him, one of his observations that stuck with me was "I can't believe there's so much steel." Things have obviously changed since then, and excuse me if I've an improper idea of the country that is naive, but in going back to my previous comment, if the normal individual in the country doesn't have the background in something as basic as steel, how can they possibly make an informed decision regarding nuclear technology? As I said, I don't feel that we in the US, a full partner in the industrial revolution, or Japan which is undoubtedly an industrial and technological power, had been so intrinsically informed either in our decisions. It's truly worrying, and I can only hope there's room for some opposing activism there regarding it. But, then, if the basic knowledge might not exist, how can that activism evolve?


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                • Shaker1, all good points. I also think that US, French, and US/Japanese companies are the main promoters of these new plants using the weighty tools of governments – trade deals, threats of sanctions or tariffs, money schemes, getting a person elected, and the like, to influence a positive reception.

                  There have been many antinuclear protests in India in the past several months, most of which have resulted in injuries, some deaths, and mass incarcerations.


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            • We Not They Finally

              About being built by "amateurs," apparently whole parts of the WIPP system in southern New Mexico were designed piecemeal by amateurs. Like the kitty litter disaster by amateurs who knew nothing about basic chemistry. Death-by-contracting. Piece out the jobs cheap, coordinate and monitor nothing.


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          • Arnie's excavated boron lined pool below with a sarcophagus top seemed the best idea. He says that it is too late now for that since the contamination was allowed to reach the groundwater and spread out underground.


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          • We Not They Finally

            That's part of why the world's water supply has gotten progressively contaminated by NPP's. They've made all the "cooling water" quite "hot." The big lie perpetuated onto mankind, for some seventy years now.


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        • the corium at Chernobyl stopped in a dry basement.

          Yes it could flood in the future, but right it is only air emissions that they have to worry about with the corium.

          It has stopped moving.


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    • Cooter cooterboy

      bo, Your exactly right about the sarcophagus idea, however it would trap radionuclides from escaping into the air that have been aerosolized by the fission reaction that is going on.

      The other way is to pump concrete, in a limited amount, mixed with boron or other poison additive, that would mix with the corium and slow it's fission and movement. Placing this concrete into the "corium tube" would be virtually impossible. Alas that will not stop the water from being irradiated and flowing into the Pacific. This is predicated on the assumption that they intend to retrieve the coriums, which I don't believe is possible.

      Like you, just typing this makes my head spin.

      Peace,


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  • earthsmith

    It will never be finished and it will not end…400+NPP's!

    Keep pounding those silly pipes into the ground and the blob's will find you


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  • Fukushima Radiation Contaminated Green Tea Has Been And Is Still Being Sold In Japan; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/06/fukushima-radiation-contaminated-green.html


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  • Ontological Ontological

    Corium loose in aggregate would behave just like this demonstration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGJ2jMZ-gaI


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  • Notice they are still pretending that it is all inside the reactors.. nice, neat and pretty, all tied up with a bow and sitting there taking a bath, playing with a plastic yellow duck.

    They are saying it is not worth trying to find them, as the official policy.

    Great, get paid to fail.

    Get paid to do nothing.


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  • dunkilo

    How bout "SUB-CORIUMS" ?dibs on that copyright!(sarc)


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  • WesternKyMan

    due to unforeseen events, the melted coriums have undergone a transformation and have become what is now known as unknowniums.

    The present state of the unknowniums is unknown.

    The present location of the unknowniums is unknown.

    Stay tuned for updates!


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  • weeman

    Fukushima and Chernobyl are two completely kettle of fish, no two accidents are the same and in Fukushima case the geology and the fact that it is below sea level and ground water has flooded buildings, Chernobyl is practically dry in comparison.


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  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    "by the time they deal with it"
    "by the time the notice it"
    "by the time they understand it"
    "by the time they make others sick"
    "by the time they kill others"
    "by the time they tell the truth"

    is called the latency period – there is no latency period


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  • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

    There's going to be a lot of angry people…when the general public finds out the truth about Humanity's dirty little nuclear secret.

    I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of the issue…you know how intensely a PTA group will fight to get something done…? Well, imagine ALL PTA groups on your ass…whoa…Hundreds of thousands…millions of pissed of Mothers…

    The Mothers will be devastated when they learn for the first time that–because MANY people orchestrated the "crime of omission" of the nuclear reality–she has been feeding her own children savagely-insidious, man-made poisons…all the while thinking she was looking out for her childrens' health.

    This is obviously unacceptable.

    And so, to create rad poisons–and any/all other persistent toxins/chemicals–is crime against life itself.

    All other life-forms aside…a Human being is no longer able to be born–literally born into this world–on this planet without the immediate and life-long threat of ingesting invisible, DNA-destroying, inorganic super-poisons…made by men of a foggier and foggier past.

    Become Natural again…to the best of your ability. Always think of new ways to replace the things you need/want/love with equal or better versions that are purely natural.

    Pollution is global. Eventually, the entire payload of man-made poisons/toxins/etc will escape their primary containers.

    Knowing how much there is…We all must stop producing more.

    Work with what you got.


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    • It may be that the only way that they MAY find out is if most other people die, and they start asking stupid questions like;

      Why did all of those people die all of a sudden, kind of like the starfish in 2011-2013?

      But then they will hire some medical folks to research it, who will ask for MORE donations, and then somehow never quite find the answer, just like today.

      If you get paid to ignore the truth, it is impossible to find it.


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      • chevvvy chev

        yes Dr G, reminds me of the cure for cancer! which has been paid for ten times over by now, but never quite produced!,


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      • We Not They Finally

        Technically, anyone could figure out that we were been radioactively poisoned when the cancer epidemics started full force in the 80's. But then they did the "wars against cancer." And you were either a victim or a warrior. Suddenly it was all up to YOU and no mention at all of who or what caused it. "Carcinogens." Could be anything, folks. Not that thousands of unregulated industrial chemicals (like we have in the U.S.) could ever be "safe." But radioactivity makes EVERYTHING more damaging to the human body.

        It's the ugly truth. There were 70 years of lies before Fukushima even hit. But now the destruction is fierce, escalating, and full force.


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    • Down The River

      Yes, our world is in sad shape, MoonlightEmpire

      I don’t think the general public will ever get angry. They will go to their doctor when they get sick, get some tests, believe whatever they are told, and submit to the “normal” procedures.

      When the ocean is dead, no more pesky/smelly creatures will wash up on the shores.

      Not many people will notice the silence.


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      • We Not They Finally

        True, also not-true. They will notice plenty when real estate values go down, once they realize that the ocean will not recover.

        But which liars and which perpetrators do we get more angry at than others? And who gets blamed for your cancer? Someone thousands of miles away, or the corporations which also control the media?

        It's not exactly a prescription for movement politics. More likely it will be chaos, with people scrambling just to survive.


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  • mutante mutante

    I know this may be somewhat off topic but it is still relevant in general to this site. I have painted several paintings regarding nuclear power . They are anti nuclear. They are not bloody & are only offensive to people that are shills or ostriches.
    I wanted to share them with anyone that would like to get some release from the dark, grave nature of this ongoing atrocity. Just reply to me. I don't want to disturb anyone's anonymity. I really don't care who knows who I am.
    Just thought I could contribute in my own way because I certainly can't offer any technical insight.
    Peace


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  • It is worth saying again

    Unaway with the unknowiums!


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  • rogerthat

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201406120042

    Shareholders at the nation's nine electric utilities with nuclear power plants have submitted proposals demanding they abolish or reduce their reliance on nuclear energy to generate electricity.
    It is the first time that shareholders of all the utilities have sought such action. But the proposals are unlikely to lead to major change in policy because the shareholders represent a small number of total shares, the bulk of which are held by financial institutions and other corporate entities.
    The proposals come ahead of annual general shareholders' meetings scheduled to be held by the power companies on June 26. It is the first time that shareholders of all nine major power companies have pushed for a withdrawal from nuclear power since the onset of the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in March 2011….


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  • rogerthat

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201406120061

    …Shimomura put on his disaster management uniform and was driven to TEPCO headquarters. He ran up to the second floor where a task force had been set up to deal with the nuclear accident. Someone in the prime minister's office whispered to Shimomura that Kan had just given TEPCO executives a tongue-lashing.
    In his notes, Shimomura wrote: "Leaving the plant site will never be allowed. We cannot have the eastern half of Japan covered in nuclear waste!"
    He went on to write: "Responsibility will be held from the company president on down. Those 60 and older should be prepared to die here."…


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  • rogerthat

    http://fukushima-diary.com

    Following up this article.. Tritium density exceeded the safety limit at one of the bypass wells one day after they discharged 1,600 t to the sea [URL]
    On 6/12/2014, Tepco announced that they are going to keep using the bypass well that they detected the exceeding density Tritium.
    In that well, Tritium density increased from 1,100,000 Bq/m3 to 1,700,000 Bq/m3 since the end of May. From Tepco’s own simulation, it is assumed to jump up to 2,300,000 Bq/m3 where the desired safety limit is 1,500,000 Bq/m3.
    Tepco states the volume of water from this well is only 7% of total. Even if they continue pumping up water from this well, the average Tritium density would be 231,800 Bq/m3 because they mix it up with less contaminated water.

    - and once it's in the pacific, it gets even more ''diluted'', ha ha ha. pity about bioaccumulation.


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  • rogerthat

    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident-updates.html

    Rice farming is now allowed in six formerly restricted communities near F. Daiichi. Soon after the 2011 accident, farming was restricted in 12 municipalities due to radiation concerns, plus farmers in other communities voluntarily suspended rice growing. The restrictions were lifted this spring in half of the communities, totaling 5,200 hectares of potential rice crops. However, only about 2% of the farmers have resumed rice planting. Some local officials say insufficient decontamination in fields and possible contamination in water supplies are two prominent complaints from those who are reluctant to return to their fields. The community with the highest resumption rate is Minamisoma at 3.4%. This is followed by Tomioka at 0.2%, Namie and Okuma at 0.1% and Katsurao at 0.06%. No-one in Futaba has taken advantage of the restrictions being lifted. NHK World; Resumption of rice farming slow in Fukushima; June 11, 2014


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    • We Not They Finally

      People get so beaten down and then, even though they know it's probably deadly, they figure that they have to eat SOMETHING. Most people, given a choice between being force-fed poison and starving, will pick the poison so long as they don't die while eating it. They cannot even avoid breathing or walking around on contaminated land. What a terrible way to have to live.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Nice and about time! :)


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  • rogerthat

    only a snippet seen so far…

    According to a recently published report, the report states 1st death in USS Reagan case; rare cancer takes 38 yr old Tomodachi samaritan. RIP Theodore Holcomb
    Information just released today by the legal team representing the USS Reagan sailors in their billion dollar lawsuit against TEPCO.


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    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      Roger I posted the link on another thread here this morning if you want to search it out ..he was young ..too young


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    • nedlifromvermont

      Someone should tell them to sue GE, the real Godzilla corporation behind this mess;

      GE was warned this would happen to their shoddy, underdesigned reactors; they ignored all entreaties to wise up!

      GE has not paid one Japanese Yen in damages nor stopped advertising their wind and solar power businesses.

      GE's nuclear division is the red haired stepchild they no longer acknowledge; it serves up the cancers which fatten the profits of their cancer diagnostics division MRI's and CAT scans;

      This is heinous and mendacious; but words fail to do the job and hit home about this ugly American behemoth corporation now engaged in mass murder, genocide, ecocide, ocean-cide, and child abuse.

      How lovely, GE? No liability at all, for destroying a country in the pursuit of profit?

      Makes me sick to be related to C. A. Coffin; founder and first President of GE which went over to the dark side and pimped the uranium business.

      To save the world from coal emissions? But kill it with radioactivity? Not a good plan GE. Baby killers.

      Went to the Bipartisan Commission meeting on nuclear waste storage at MIT, which was webcast, on June 10, 2014, and told the MIT nuke professor that in order to move the waste issue forward, the first thing to do would be to start telling the truth.

      I'll try to find a link. They kept heads down and moved to another question, seeing as they couldn't begin to answer my rant about "When are you guys going to stop lying?"


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      • nedlifromvermont

        This actually was the Bipartisan Policy Center forum on "Identifying A Path Forward for America's Nuclear Waste"

        My question comes early after the break, or after one hour in … I'm listening to the webcast right now (if they didn't delete it …)

        The link if any are interested is: webcast.mit.edu/spr2014/MIT-NSE/

        and I'll give an update on whether my nasty question was deleted or not …

        peace 'newsers! Ask them, "When they are going to start telling the truth?!"


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      • We Not They Finally

        nedli, thank you for confronting these bastards head on. Sometimes it is good for the soul just to stand up and announce loudly, "I'm not part of this!!" Me, I'm not even part of whatever species they are. Not human.


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    • sayonara kitty sayonara kitty

      yet still safe enough for a hundred military kids and the "Chargers" to have a football camp! http://www.chargers.com/news/article-1/Bolts-Hold-NFL-Play-60-Camp-on-USS-Ronald-Reagan/13c5189c-ba08-4cfd-8053-74eb90535a97

      there are no words for how upsetting i find this.


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  • truthpandemic truthpandemic

    Hi everyone! Ive been here a couple months with you all but this Is my first time posting. I live up in alberta canada. Not much awareness in these parts if u catch my drift. I'm workig on it with peers and family. This site has helped immensely. Ttyl.


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  • westpac99

    So when will America hopefully wake up and stop doing business with companies owned by GE such as Chase Bank, Morgan Stanley. Wish It was easy to find a list of all companies owned by GE.. where to look?????


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    • monster

      GE hasn't become the giant they are by selling light bulbs to the public. Don't look for any high officials to bring the hammer down on them seeing as they're only advertising puppets.


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    • sayonara kitty sayonara kitty

      to westpac99 you asked "So when will America hopefully wake up and stop doing business with companies owned by GE such as Chase Bank, Morgan Stanley." … GE is America


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    • We Not They Finally

      It's over. Bush-Cheney gave away what was left of America, then Obama came in and rubber-stamped what they did. It's so over. Work locally best you can. Love the people close by and try to make their lives better. Because nationally, it's over.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Never going to happen… :(


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  • mutante mutante

    I think most Americans couldn't give a sh-t about what companies are responsible for crimes against humanity, after all most Americans don't show any signs of humanity.


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  • ftlt

    The part about this FUFU event that strikes me over and over, like with all else around us that is so terribly wrong, is that it remains like it is not happening to most of the people I know. This fact never fails to make me wonder at how much like cattle in line at the slaughter house we are. MOO MOO


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    • I agree completely. I commute to work by bus and this morning I was sitting there and looked at all the other travellers and thought to myself…wow; I am pretty sure not one of these people has a clue what is going on around them locally and in Japan and probably couldn't care less. What would happen if I walked to the front of the bus and started telling them? They probably would have labelled me as "Crazy" and completely dismissed what I was saying only to go on their merry way without giving it a second thought. It is sad sad times we live in :(


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      • GQR2

        Rebecca that is a funny day dream and fwiw i have the same one often these days when out in crowds here and there.
        The secret space program and all the ufo testing has come out,the origins of the program (most people remain totally clueless) If one was to give the people a more reality based Narrative of what is going on ALL around us and globally they would cart the person off to the Ministry of Truth. Its very sad. BUT knowing this IS the scenario we find ourselves (the aware) in gives me hope to cope. Cope with the craziness that is the deep denial of our culture- Deep denial of the shape people are in. People aren't able have been conditioned against intellect. In place of it are memes and a pseudo culture at least for the Prols and the masses.

        We are the products for a technocratic regiem to plunder. All the talk about safety is a tool for tyranny. just my two cents but i day dream like you do also. i bet lots of readers on ene, do. ;)


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  • Fukushimad is Revelation Fukushimad is Revelation

    Do they still have 10 cores worth of fuel packed into the full common fuel pool a few feet away from the decaying Units 1-4 at Fukushima? There was 8 cores worth of fuel in the devastated Fukushima Units 1-4.

    The 6th seal great Earthquake followed by the 1st trumpet the greek word for Hail χάλαζα could have been translated as lump\tubercle as in nodules/tumors/cancer/lung cancer.

    Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up…

    The 2nd trumpet, word for mountain ὄρος in the Greek language could have been translated, as mountainous region as in the mountainous region of Japan/Fukushima Prefecture while the Greek word for was cast βάλλω could have been translated as to pour as in as in the Fukushimad mountainous region is pouring hundreds of thousands of pounds of contaminated water into the Pacific ocean each day for over a 1000 days.

    Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;


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  • mutante mutante

    I will sud in eternal damnation!


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  • mutante mutante

    I wasn't in the kitchen 10 minutes ago. Could I have missed the rapture?


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    There is always a reason why people would take the time to write down thoughts and not all these thoughts may have been brought forward in a/the proper order, but instead in an order with/for an alternate purpose. No doubt why they burned down libraries in the ancient past, since the best way to hide information is to somehow make it disappear and/or change the intention/context of that knowledge as rendered.. :)

    Certainly the control of others brain thought is/would be the first and foremost reason to write anything down or even pass it/the information along..


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    I think a Chernobyl-like sarcophagus is long over due. However, to do this I think it would need a sturdy foundation underneath and something to keep it continually cool.

    I am not an expert on this and it's just my thoughts. There could be other obstacles that I don't know of. Not sure that soil would hold a good foundation. Could they dig out the bad soil and put better soil in?

    At one time someone said put gold down it, not sure if that would help?

    We could always shove those who want to keep building these monsters right in it. Maybe the Powers of Nuclear would be satisfied and stop spewing. <<Just Kidding


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  • razzz razzz

    Chernobyl's melts are still in the building and high and dry as long as they keep a lid on it. It's the fallout around Chernobyl that seeps and travels to the groundwater table that causes angst about reaching aquifers.

    Daiichi's melts are for all intent and purposes already sitting in the aquifer also affected by ocean tides. The basements are below sea level.

    It is more of a shielding issue to cap the melts, er…at least where they think the melts are or the site will become unworkable and uninhabitable with all the free flowing radioactive contamination irradiating everything.

    So far it is hopeless to stop the melts from eroding and entering the Pacific and freshwater table. A cap would do nothing but deflect radiation down.

    It would be nice if all the melts were still in the basements, they could eventually seal all the leaks and cracks, maybe, but for now it ain't happening and at this rate never will happen. Concrete can only take so much radioactive abuse.

    TEPCO had about 500 assemblies left to remove from Unit 4 as of 6/9/14.

    What worries me is the lack of earthquake activity around Japan. Usually means pressure is building up and not being released by smaller quakes. Without smaller quakes relieving pressure, it will happen all at once with a big quake.


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    • That is a good and very scary observation about the earthquakes razz. Not good, not good at all!

      So lets play devils advocate here. Say there is another massive earthquake and tsunami; Fukushima is totally leveled and Japan needs to be evacuated ( this is all just a scenario; I have no idea if any of this is even possible). I read in someone's comment yesterday that if Japan had to be evacuated Canada and Australia would likely take the majority of the refugees. How long do you think it would take to evacuate that many people? Secondly, what would they do with Japan and or Fukushima? Leave it to fester and spew? Could anything be done if it were totally and completely devastated?
      I really hope that someone will tell me that it is without a doubt not possible for Fukushima to be totally and completely wiped out but simple logic tells me that what goes up must come down…


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      • bo bo

        Rebecca I don't know much to about this but it's a scenario that I've played out many times in my head – and looked into from a practical point if view, as I pondered how I'd get my family out of Tokyo. The problem with such a scenario is that the radiation in the atmosphere will be so high that air travel will no longer be possible at that point.


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        • bo bo

          Typo – I don't know much about this
          ( this – meaning seismology)


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          • Well if air travel is not an option the only other option would be by boat. I suppose they could summon all the cruise ships within a reasonable distance which would make more sense as they could at least provide some sort of comfort for the passengers. This way they could bring the ships to land one by one and process the passengers of each ship rather then thousands of planes trying to land somewhere at the same time and the mass panic/confusion that would create. The ships have full kitchens so food could be provided. I am also reasonably sure (I have never been on a cruise)that they would be equipped with a sick bay that could treat illnesses temporarily until the patients could be off-loaded. That would be a huge task but it could be done if necessary.


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  • ruppert

    The root of all society's problems is what we have globally allowed to happen. Companies and people we consider evil get spawned when society stops holding their government and each other responsible and accountable for their actions.

    It becomes like playing "whack-a-mole" fighting the effects of our collective uncaring about each other and our environment and more obsessed with maintaining our lifestyles of convenience and gadgets and losing our humanity in the process. People would rather interact with their "devices" than talk or God forbid meet face to face. We are losing our humanity.

    We have collectively accepted the new normal as having to have it all and multitask our whole lives and leaving things like parenting, care for our fellow human beings and maintaining our humanity "when we have a spare moment".

    I'm not giving these nuclear monsters a pass but until we reclaim our humanity than companies, sociopathic people and self serving governments will still have the environment they need to operate and thrive. I think the horse is out of the barn with Fukushima and all the other catastrophes we have allowed to take place and it feels all that is left to do is to get a beer and a lawn chair as where do you begin?

    I know it sounds like "coulda, shoulda, woulda"
    and defeatist but I think the place to begin is to reclaim our humanity and try to enjoy whatever time we have left.


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