Japanese professor: Melted fuel has gone through containers and is on concrete foundations sinking into ground below, as far as I can tell — Underground dam was being prepared, but TEPCO resisting

Published: June 20th, 2011 at 7:16 am ET
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Preventing radiation contamination more important than TEPCO’s stock prices, Mainichi, June 20, 2011:

[...] The crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant is still not over. Far from it, there are signs that it is getting worse. [...]

In a TV Asahi program on June 16, [Hiroaki Koide, an assistant professor at the Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute] made the following comment:

“As far as I can tell from the announcements made by Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the nuclear fuel that has melted down inside reactors at the Fukushima nuclear plant has gone through the bottom of the containers, which are like pressure cookers, and is lying on the concrete foundations, sinking into the ground below. We have to install a barrier deep in the soil and build a subterranean dam as soon as possible to prevent groundwater contaminated with radioactive materials from leaking into the ocean.”

His comment captured public interest and when I asked a high-ranking government official about it, the official said that construction of an underground dam was indeed being prepared. But when I probed further, I found that the project was in limbo due to opposition from TEPCO.

Sumio Mabuchi, an aide to Prime Minister Naoto Kan who is dealing with nuclear power plant issues, holds the same concerns as those expressed by Koide and has sought an announcement on construction of an underground dam, but TEPCO has resisted such a move. [...]

h/t anonymous tip & China Syndrome

Published: June 20th, 2011 at 7:16 am ET
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69 comments to Japanese professor: Melted fuel has gone through containers and is on concrete foundations sinking into ground below, as far as I can tell — Underground dam was being prepared, but TEPCO resisting

  • Eestlane

    tepco resisting?lol,why?


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    It would cost them money.
    Time to send in the police, arrest them, and construct what is necessary.


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  • Soon there will be nothing that can be done…if it is not too late already….


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Good news in the bad is that obviously Japanes MSM has woken up to a certain extent.


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  • Fall out man!

    Tepco’s worried about the money, but if the don’t sort this out there might not be any Japanese left to sell their electricity to anyway!


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  • moonkai

    Resisted ? Who’s the boss ? You tell them what to do and you do it NOW ! And you’ll like it too !! lol


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  • moonkai

    Running out of time !!


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  • arclight arclight

    there is a war going on within the hierarchy of japan it would seem…with prime minister/president kan one of the good guys..soon to be deposed…where is this all going for the future of japan and the japanese people? what will a takeover by pro tepco forces do to this already damaged country? why is the west complicite with the pro tepco lobby?…maybe the governments are unable to stare this situation in the face! but they will have too…so whats thier next step then?….end rant before head explodes….off to try to do something positive…hmmmm


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    • tony wilson

      stop smokin crack fella.
      kan is another hitler a benign looking yes. but a cancerous tumour salesman with massive exports as we speak.
      if it was the case and he had a lone battle with dark forces he would go o tv spill his guts get the people behind him and get the army to arrest the guilty.
      he is an errand boy of death in the pockets of the nukes like all of those filthy lie merchants.
      he has lied to his people and to the world.
      if he was a good guy he would of spilled the beans called a state of emergency rounded the scumbags up and made a churchill like speech about winning and prevailing.
      are you telling me this guy has no power to put the army on site.
      this is life or death and your talking like it is an average day in jap realpolitik.


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      • ocifferdave

        Based soley on the article on this page it kinda does paint Kan’s administration as the “good guys” because they are mentioned as the force that says “make the damn dam!” Where as it shows TEPCO not wanting to do what the Kan administration is telling them to do…”No dam, damn it!”

        However, you are right Tony, Kan is the ideal picture of Weak Sauce that holds the very future of the Pacific as we know it let alone Japan and is qualifying for an Epic Fail poster daily.


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      • Ruffcut

        Every leader is a talking head, period. It is easily visible when a crisis occurs. This is a huge crisis and all their puppet bullshit and political favors have no value, just like the US dollar. Fiat= fake, created from nothing except debt obligations. Jap productivity is all that they had and will be killed is a slow fashion.
        The game has reach its end. Endgame is in full play.
        Tepco was always told what to do from above the kan (con)types heads. The elites are off giggling in the weeds while these illequipped, (dick) heads of state, run around in circles, covering their balls and their ass, at the same time.


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  • retali8 retali8

    watch a documentary about Fukushima, although is doesnt expose the full truth, its worth seeing,,

    http://www.sbs.com.au/documentary/program/nuclearmeltdown

    (right hand side of the page and watch online option)


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  • retali8 retali8

    oh my god, the japanese are just so “hazukashii” shy — about all this,, but its better now than never,, come out and reveal the truth and then other nations might assist u to fix it in the worlds best interest..


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  • moonkai

    Running out of time ! If it takes 100 billion yen to build the underground dam, it is a small price to pay to save the country no ? Can someone call the army, the Yakuzas even Superman and get rid of those clowns! TEPCO have 7,000 workers on the case for 4 reactors … Chernobil had 1 million workers for 1 reactor ! Given the nasty smoke that engulfed the power plant on Saturday night after the quake, they better move their ass ! This is no joke!


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    • At moonkai:
      What is Ban ki Moon doing? IAEA is UN der him or not? IAEA created all this mess as the Internat Authority they must pitch in for the sake of safety(sic) of the planet and force the TEPCO to get on with it NOW. Instead they r asking for a meet of nations to disc safety! Nations see the example cited: 1 million worked sacrificed for good and 100 billion yen for 7 billion people is 15 yen per world capita! Get on World NOW. And they must have done the same long long ago re nukes on the Mussourie!


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      • Arizonan Arizonan

        The IAEA has never had “safety” as its main concern. Its main concern is the promotion of nuclear power. That’s why in the 1950s the IAEA insisted that the World Health Organization sign away any rights to investigate the health consequences of radiation. They published one good paper early in the 50s regarding the mutagenic effects of radiation (gene-mutating), but then the IAEA got the WHO to sign their little agreement. I have personally seen a copy of the agreement in xerox form in Geneva. This agreement by itself has contributed to the corruption of health physics-related science since the late 1950s.


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    • sorry charlie

      I hate to mention this but TEPCO lies… about eveything! I seriously doubt they have anywhere near 7,000 workers. Maybe they have their executive staff (hanging out around the world) some engineers off site, and a handful of pitiful camera adjusters who also put out fires from time to time….that’s the reality friend. Has anyone seen any movement except for glimpses of camera adjusters….no. So where are all these folks? Where are the pictures of workers and work going on….people would die within minutes of coming near the reators. The pictures we recieve are from the robots that’s it. If I’m wrong please show me some proof.


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      • tony wilson

        what a publicity coup to have russian like brigades of men working digging covering.
        heavy lift gear.
        the photoshop picture of iaea on site : )
        and the guy pointing at cracks is it.
        if major work was a reality they would film it.
        FOLKS BEFORE WE DIE WE NEED TO BOYCOTT JAPANESE PRODUCTS.TAKE YOUR SAVINGS OUT OF THE BANKS AND STOP USING CORPORATION AND MEGA COMPANIES.


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      • J.F. Sebastian

        Good point. I doubt that any serious work is going on. When the nuclear lava melts into the water, it will contaminate the oceans for centuries while the public believes a non-existent dam is holding the contaminated water back. If, in the future, some rogue scientist discovers high radiation in the ocean, the governments will deny the scientists’ results, or they will say it is an anomalous concentration of radiation from the original accident.


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  • RandomGuy

    tepco needs their money to create blacklists of actors and musicians who are against the nuclear industry…


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Just as we expected all along. It’s just SHOCKING to see it in print. TY enenews.


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  • pg

    “We have to install a barrier deep in the soil and build a subterranean dam as soon as possible”

    Impossible seeing Japan dropped 8′ after the EQ and the water table is right there. Anything they dig will fill with water immediately.


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    • The great Catch 22 situation! Then we are in for radioactive mosquitoes sucking our blood and spreading genetic damage all over. Still its worth seeing whether the water table is right there. Hope the engineer will have to think out of the 6 boxes and more now!


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      • moonkai

        yes actually I am very much wondering about mosquitos ! no one seems to talk about it ! So … any thoughts ? Whomever lived in japan knows how invasive those little shits are!


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    • sorry charlie

      They can’t. It’s obvious that nothing has been done because no human can come close to the problem without dying. There is no building that is going to happen….get real! It would have already been under construction. The russians offered to fix this the Japanese said no thatnks…we’d rather die without help because we are an honorable people…we go quietly and take everyone with us…it wasn’t their decision to make. Now look are them…skeleton crew adjusting cameras. Their next plan will be to build a staircase to the moon where they will take the reactors brick by brick up the long staircase and away from planet earth.


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    • If Japan dropped about 2.4 m, my the sea should have encroached into Japan like hell and high sea water! Any insight on this?


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      • StPaulScout StPaulScout

        Arne Gunderson stated the area around Fukushima had subsided by about 18 inches some time back. It’s in one of the videos at fairewinds i’m pretty sure.


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  • chemfood chemfood

    what happened to the live feed links on ene? they are no longer pinned to the home page. for anyone who hasn’t seen, it looks like reactor 4 is going to town?

    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    Remember yesterday when we were discussing Musicians?

    CROSBY, STILLS & NASH, JACKSON BROWNE, BONNIE RAITT AND OTHERS TO PERFORM A BENEFIT CONCERT TO SUPPORT DISASTER RELIEF EFFORTS
    http://nukefree.org/crosby-stills-nash-jackson-browne-bonnie-raitt-and-others-perform-benefit-concert-support-disaster-r


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    • chemfood chemfood

      Shoreline is a great venue. i commend these artisits. it seems japan, et al needs a concert every night until August 7nd. it’s good to see a few rockers standing up against this tragic nuke junk. at the very least the word will fallout to a wider circle of folks.


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  • john lh john lh

    Oh, it seems the Japanese gov. has prepared everything for their future:

    The Janpan News said that their scientist has just invented artificial meat: made of human shit and garbage from underground waste system.

    Hope it has less radioactive ,like the MOX ,the more shit they made, the more meat they will get.lol


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  • sorry charlie

    Looking at all the problems that surround these Fukushima reactors and the ones we know about in the US, one would have to be INSANE, clinically demented, lunatic in every sense of the word to be a supporter of nuclear energy. To choose money over life? I’ve heard about labratory studies with rats choosing cocaine over food until they died…I feel like our leaders are on this same path. Our leaders are covering up a terrible problem in the hopes that it will go away quietly so they can continue to make money from a source that at best is extremly doubtful and dangerous…that is the definition of INSANITY.


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  • nomade

    I think this is too big for either Tepco or Japan to deal with.

    Every govt in the world should be sending in their top experts to help deal with this. NATO should be in there instead of wasting tax payers money firing missiles at civilians in Tripoli and Afghanistan. Spend that massive military budget on protecting your own citizens for a change.

    Dealing with Chernobyl required the Russian govt to pull out all the stops. They got every top scientist on the job and called in the army.

    Fukushima is a way bigger problem than Chernobyl ever was and needs massive international intervention. RIGHT NOW.

    Should have been done from the start…everyone with access to data knew how bad it was.


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  • markww markww

    TELL TEPCO TO GET OUT OF THE WAY and let people that know what is going on shut the plant in a concrete dome and a underground seal too


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    • StPaulScout StPaulScout

      That can’t be done. The entire Fukushims plant sits on ‘made ground’. It is nothing but fill. Dumped on the edge of the ocean, leveled off, and the plant was built. The entire area suffered liquifaction, this lead to the entire site settling arouns 18 inches according to Arne Gunderson. Digging around it in and especially putting something on top of it as heavy as a dome large enough to cover the entire site would probably exceed the capacity of the ground to not slide into the ocean…


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      • jump-ball

        If Chernobyl can be covered with a 600X600 foot arched dome, why can’t Fuku I ?


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        • VanneV anne

          Because the whole site is constructed on backfill and can’t take all that weight. Will just sink into the oean. Others have explained this better on this site.


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          • jump-ball

            The idea would be to make it big enough so that its perimeter support would be beyond the backfill and on whatever natural ground is around that.


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          • Misitu

            To jump-bail: with a recent update from the Physics Forum site referering to a Japanese professor of Geology’s description, the bedrock to the landfill is a soft sedimentary rock (coarse sandstone (or Grit) and tuffaceous siltstone). Depending on the thickeness of the sandstone layer and its compactness, this would or would not offer any sort of foundation for a huge structure.

            Tepco should have had a geological site survey done after the previous earthquake (see my earlier notes) but they probably didn’t and I don’t know if it could be done to the required depth and precision given the urgency and timescales now extant. But a survey would be essential if said giant structure were to be attempted at least. Maybe would fall down during construction or some time after. In the famous last words, “not enough information”.

            I would definitely order a multi pronged geophysical survey and a heap of boreholes before going anywhere near the idea of construction.

            If you have a look at the Japanese Geological Survey or Google Earth/Maps I would say you are talking about a square mile of reclaimed land that you would need to avoid if you wanted to build a structure that would not fall down straightaway.

            I am coincidentally having some footings excavated in order to build a two storey extension for my house on compacted soft sandstone. The footings are going to be at least 6 feet deep.

            I don’t think you can build a concrete slab raft nearly a mile across without putting in columns.

            That’s a LOT of piling.


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  • norbu norbu

    they could let the vip’s from tepco do the underground digging. then they could keep it a secret what they find under the plant…


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  • Tenor

    While it may be too late or trivial, classical free market economic theory (descended from Adam Smith) OPPOSES oligopoly and monopoly. It claims competitive free markets provide an ethical system that works to benefit the greatest number of people in society. Hence, Natural Monopolies, e.g.,utilities should be publicly owned, i.e., socialist.

    The Neo-liberal/Friedman/Chicago School Economics that is the “Washington consensus” bankrupting the world is intellectually dishonest because it imputes the virtues of purely competitive markets to monopoly-oligopoly, thereby justify theft of social resources by a tiny elite.

    Proof: the corrupt USSR as the social-owner of Chernobyl was able to mobilize vast resources, spending tens of billions of dollars, to protect its people at the Battle of Chernobyl.

    Tepco has no charter to care for Japan’s social/general welfare. Since the powerful nuclear energy corporations have ‘captured the state regulators’, Tepco is free to act impotently.

    Tepco’s #1 goal since March 11 was to preserve its share prices, and that was a doomed project.


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    • sorry charlie

      Well said! You are right on….the money!


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      • VanneV anne

        It is right on. In addition, the whole country is probably as close to bankruptcy as the US is. Japan holds a trillion of our debt. Of course there is a huge amount of money being hoarded by the elite all over the world. Foolishly they are only able to hoard and can’t see that they are vulnerable to radiation.

        Probably taking anit-radiation pills that don’t work. The greatest con artists are themselves the most vulnerable to the cons of others.


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  • TraderGreg

    The hot corium can burn through the concrete pretty fast – so it is not any boundary. Either the corium will cool down to make it possible, or they find better material to do it. Maybe they just hope that the corium will slide into ocean, after hitting the water table.

    The inaction by TEPCO and the Japanese goverment is unacceptable.

    Stop buying products ‘made in Japan’ until they get their shit together. Their idiocy and inaction, is impacting entire planet now.

    Your new Toyota will glow inside garage.


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    • tony wilson

      but the sheep need a new canon,a new playstation cos the one they have is old gotta have the latest gadget.
      it is are patriotic duty to be in debt max out that credit card on jap products.
      THE MORE GREEN TEA YOU DRINK.THE MORE FRESH WATER THEY CAN PUMP ON SITE.
      THE MORE FRESH JAPANESE SEAWEED YOU EAT THE MORE TOFU YOU SWOLLOW,THE MORE NAOTO KAN KEEP DOING HIS HEROIC WORK.
      KEEP SPENDING AMERICA.
      YES YOUR OBAMA IS PLAYING GOLF AGAIN BUT HE IS BEING BRIEFED AT EVERY HOLE..


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    • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

      I wish it were as easy as it seems… good luck figuring out what is from Japan… Electronics are most obvious…but, seaweed and other sea products come from Japan an are mixed with lotions and creams… how much cement do we get? I mean we do know they make it from sludge… feed, razor blades, rice, what else? I think we could be very very surprised…

      As a consumer, I am outraged that I have no idea where my food comes from… much says it is “distributed by”, but no “made in…” We should also have made and expiration dates on food stuff…


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  • sorry charlie

    I guess we can only speculate because Tepco’s lies aren’t anything to basis ideas on….I can only guess that many workers have fallen ill trying to do any kind of work…so they know that work can’t be done. The Russians had it right…run in, run out do your 15 minutes and move on. Any other plan just won’t work the people who stayed longer at chernobyl all passed soon after…so this idea that they are going to build this, that and the other thing is just pipe dreams….or work would have started….Hello? We need to really face what is happening to even think of a solution. And since TEPCO isn’t telling us, we need to push the Japanese goverment to invade the area…why don’t they…maybe they don’t have a large number of people who willing risk their lives so at this point perhaps everyone is using TEPCO as the scape goat. It’s just too hard to believe that the Japanese goverment is standing by while private industry calls the shots in a world wide disaster.


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  • bfly

    Whoopie, thanks for the MUSE heads up!


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  • VanneV anne

    On the TBS/JNN live cam you can see an enormous amount of steam/smoke coming from #4.
    On the time lapse TEPCO cam 21:00-1:00 (4 hour condensation) the Common SPF also looks to spewing smoke/steam.

    The TEPCO live cam seems to be a still shot. Wonder why!


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  • blackbeer blackbeer

    Hi folks, first comment from me but I’ve been here with you since day one. The smoke and steam from 4 happens every 48 to 72 hours, usually at or about midnight Japan time. This is about the time it takes the water to boil out of the SFP in 4. If you remember, they can’t continually cool because the structure is too frail. I don’t know anything about all this shit, heck I’m just a retired horse trainer but I do try and stay aware. I start my day right here except this morning. Spent this morning with Bill Hicks. Hang in there folks, stay awake……….

    Tom


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  • nomade

    You’d think they’d be on duty 24/7 there to keep an eye on things wouldn’t you.

    Welcome blackbeer.


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  • jump-ball

    TempCo turns on the video color soon after daylight.


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    • Misitu

      Probably is a cheap wireless “home security cam” from Maplins, in night time is IR assisted hence only monochrome, in full daylight is colour. Or something like that.

      Cannot imagine someone being there just to switch on and off.


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  • prodab

    this is a horrific China Syndrome not more than two months and are in the world cataclysm, Japanese evacuate now


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    Has anyone found out *why* Tepco was ‘resisting’ construction of a dam that was ‘in preparation’? Why hasn’t the Japanese government declared a national emergency and simply ordered the construction? Can’t more concrete be pumped underneath the plant to solidify the landfill? (and how stupid do you have to be to build a nuclear plant on landfill?)


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