Conflicting reports over why water injections halted at Fukushima reactors — Backup system now in use — Tepco claims power failure; Regulators say worker hit ‘stop’ button

Published: October 7th, 2013 at 2:07 am ET
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Reuters, Oct. 7, 2013: Pumps cooling Fukushima reactors hit by power failure, backup kicks in […] The operator of Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear plant said on Monday that pumps used to inject water to cool damaged reactors were hit by power failure, but that a backup system kicked in […]

Reuters, Oct. 7, 2013: UPDATE 1-Fukushima worker accidentally switches off cooling pumps, backup kicks in […] The Nuclear Regulation Authority said a worker conducting system inspections mistakenly pushed a button turning off power to some of the systems in the four reactor buildings at the Fukushima plant. […] The latest incident is another reminder of the precarious state of the Fukushima plant […]

Kyodo News, Oct. 7, 2013: Water injection pump for damaged Fukushima reactor halts […] Tokyo Electric Power Co. said that a pump to inject water into one of the severely damaged reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant halted Monday, possibly due to a problem at a power switchboard. The halt occurred at around 9:47 a.m. […] The Nuclear Regulation Authority separately said in a press release that the incident may have occurred because a worker wrongly pushed the stop button on a switchboard during an equipment checkup. […]

From Friday: Secretary-General of Japan’s nuclear regulator Katsuhiko Ikeda “slammed TEPCO’s management for its extremely poor organizational and practical systems that have led to human error causing irreversible radioactive damage to the environment”

Published: October 7th, 2013 at 2:07 am ET
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99 comments to Conflicting reports over why water injections halted at Fukushima reactors — Backup system now in use — Tepco claims power failure; Regulators say worker hit ‘stop’ button

    • Those reactors probably do not like being 'injected' anymore than a person does.. They are on life support, with tubes hanging out of every orifice, bleeding out of numerous wounds/cracks.

      Basically dead, but being kept alive artificially with garden hoses, baling wire and duct tape.

      • ZOMBIE REACTORS and ZOMBIE SPENT FUEL POOLS, all of them killing everyone on the planet, but without having to move or do a thing.. All of the genocide is invisible, undetectable, and no one even sees it coming, much less cares about it.

        Invisible, undetectable radioactive ZOMBIES wandering the Earth like ghosts, taking people out via 1,200 genetic diseases, cancers and other dis-eases.

        So secretive, that not even doctors can trace the cause of death back to these ZOMBIES.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          Correct!

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            One of my physicians is one of the few in allopathic medicine (that I'm aware of) who wants to be able to track and correlate his patient's exposures to their illnesses.

            Hope and his peers are successful.

            If you have any tips on tracking this type of thing (like statistics for your state or country), please send it here, and I'll forward the links to him and his medical group:

            HoTaters@hush.com

            He's affiliated with a lot of forward-thinking people in the functional medicine, holistic, naturopathic medical communities. Your input will likely be reviewed by his peers when this is discussed.

            Am keeping his name private for reasons of patient confidentiality, thanks.

  • Kill nuke before it kills you

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    It was an accident folks, no need to be Alarmed!!

    Moe's elbow knocked over a bottle of hyacinth Larry was holding when he hit Curly who then, fell back into the control panel for multiple units. On a panel with lots of buttons Curly's hand struck the main switch of the whole gizmo.

    Got it?

    • MichaelV MichaelV

      They're in the front office now getting reamed by the boss, Gov…

      He won't fire them, he never does; no one wants the job. A person would have to be stupid, and you'll never find anyone more stupid than them(Tepco)

  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    That's almost like someone mistakenly hitting the "WW3" button.

    Why aren't there military personnel on site to prevent stuff like this from happening?

    • "why aren't there military personnel…"
      …'cause they're all busy playing violent video games and watching porn…and doing drugs that don't show up on the daily piss test…

      how 'bout we never build these sick things again….

  • zardoz2012 zardoz2012

    And they expect to be able to constantly cool the reactors for a thousand years? HA!!! Laughable.

  • rnix rnix

    "But not having enough power to reach far places! Yes, Zathras understand. Everyone always coming to Zathras with problems. Big responsibility but Zathras does not mind. Zathras trained in crisis management."

    Zathras Babylon 5 Conflicts of Interest

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      "Zathras is used to being beast of burden to other people's needs. Very sad life. Probably have very sad death. But, at least there is symmetry."

  • or-well

    Conflicting reports of contradictory statements by conflicted parties confound the restriction of nuclear affliction and the interdiction of proliferation.
    BAU. SSDD. BBB. SNAFU.

  • pkjn

    Hokkaido man who worked 4 months at Fukushima develops 3 types of cancer, claims worker compensation
    10/06 hokkaido-np
    http://www.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/donai/496287.html
    http://www.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/donai/496299.html

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    New plan not yet implemented ..no exact new plan?

    Old plan not working?

    JP Gov considers to revise the decommissioning plan having the series of contaminated water problem
    Oct.5 2013

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/10/jp-gov-considers-to-revise-the-decommissioning-plan-having-the-series-of-contaminated-water-problem/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29

    [Column] Tepco is avoiding a specific phrase in all the announcements-
    Oct 4 2013

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/10/column-tepco-is-avoiding-a-specific-phrase-in-all-the-announcements-we-cannot-do-it-anymore/

    With ongoing geological situation..I assume this will be the eventual.
    "“We cannot do it anymore”

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Love Mochizuki's response, something to the effect of, you can ignore reality, but it will not ignore you ….

  • sangell

    Might not be a bad idea to turn the water injection off deliberately and do a 'pressure test' on these reactors to see if they still have any fuel in them and if they can hold any pressure at all. Maybe they have but that's the problem with TEPCO. They don't say what they know and don't know about the condition of the facility. If they are just pumping water to maintain the appearance of a 'cold shutdown' when all the fuel has melted its way down into the basement they could reduce the amount of contaminated water they are dealing with and just let the groundwater keep the fuel cool!

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    But..but..wasn't it a back-up system to begin with?
    This is the back-up to the back-up?

    If the corium(s) are well below..then ..yes..pumping water here and there..storing it in cans.. is futile.
    Because there was an original problem with subsidence…indicating severe geological displacement.
    And the issue really isn't the ground water..outside of local saturation.
    The problem is change in the ground water..and the presence of several tons of corium.

    Professor: Fukushima Unit No. 4 “an immediate problem” — Building is sinking, over 30 inches in places — Extraordinary possibility plant could be back at March 2011 if situation continues — Risk of fission accident in fuel pool (AUDIO)
    Sept. 3 2013

    http://enenews.com/professor-fukushima-unit-4-immediate-problem-building-sinking-30-inches-places-extraordinary-possibility-plant-could-be-march-2011-resolved-risk-fission-accident-fuel-pool-audio

    I think a lot of the spent fuel from 4 met the stuff from the CSFP..known here as the pit.

    • Reactors are normally cooled by massive pumps that put out millions of gallons per hour.

      Then the backup is the diesel generator, powering those same pumps.

      Then the backup to that is the batteries, good for a couple hours.

      The back up to that is what they have now, baling wire, duct tape, garden hoses and temporary tanks.

      The backup to that is leaky old rusty buckets, and old people from the local senior center.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Or if they have left the building (China Syndrome) and are now being cooled by the secret underground river running directly into the ocean continuing to spread the invisible joy/poison/harbinger of death to the rest of the sleeping in the Land of OZ created world.

    I think I will recommend that all women go directly to the mastectomy clinic and cut off both their breasts…or we could shut down this Nuclear Technology worldwide and solve their problem.

    • It will need to be much more than that.. cut out all organs and glands, plus the brain and the heart, and while we are at it, cut out all of the muscles that radioactive cesium accumulates in.

      Cut out all bones that radioactive strontium accumulates in.

      Cut out the thyroid that radioactive iodine accumulates in.

      Cut off the male reproductive organs that radioactive plutonium likes to gather in.

      Cut out the brain that radioactive uranium concentrates in.

      There, finished. Nothing left but a skin bag.

      Why don't we go shopping now?

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        Shopping! Of course we should all go and do lots more Shopping!

        It appears we will all be Shopping real soon for many varied synthetic replacement human pieces and parts grown inside many varied petri dishes.. based on your above list.

        I always for some reason favored those female breasts though, since surely I was/must have been breast fed as a small baby/child.

        Why women put up this Nuclear Radiation Contamination bullshit spewing all over the world is beyond me, but then they always seemed to be pretty gullible if you ask me.

        • A woman scorned is a force to be reckoned with.

          The nuclear romance has faded. The bloom is off the rose. Mr RA Diation has been found out to be a cheating, lying, genocial maniac who likes killing kids and old people.

          All those women who were married to Mr. Ra (he played around a LOT) are now finding out that they were scorned, poisoned and their kids too..

          What are all of those women going to do, now that they KNOW what this Mr. RA Diation is up to?

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Good question since they are really in control of everything. You would think they would wise up for once in their lives.

            Maybe they should get their Queen involved..

            • Women have all of the power. Wars have been stopped by them.

              All they have to do, is to tell the men there is no more nookie until they turn all of this stuff off.

              NO MORE! PERIOD!

              Guess what?

              Men will do ANYTHING women want when this happens.

              NOTHING can stop women if they get together and demand that their children be protected, by shutting down this insane clown posing..

              Women; all it takes is ONE woman at a time, telling their man to stand up to the nuclear Matrix or no more nookie, period.

              Enough women doing this, and nuclear is dead, instantly.

              • We Not They Finally

                Dr.G, your posts are usually quite good. But if you think that the world as a whole operates on THAT primitive a level, three's no hope for the planet. Any man who needs that to motivate his conscience, will probably be going elsewhere anyway.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              And Mr. Rocky Feller, if he cares (which is doubtful since he's on the cheater's team and their captain).

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                Yeesh, misunderstood what I was responding to, big time. Oops. Sometimes it's hard to follow these threads.

        • We Not They Finally

          You never seem to have kind things to say about women, obewan, and I for one find it offensive. Breast cancer is a horrible scourge, but then again, so is prostrate cancer. None of it is the stuff for jokes. Much less calling women "pretty gullible." I'm sure that the women in Japan are going through anguish over the terror for their children. Here we get impatient for mass protests, but maybe that will yet come.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

            He says kind thing to me all the time. We have only argued a very few times, only about belief systems which is really off-topic and IMHO better left unsaid.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            I have many nice things to say about women and attempting to wake you (women) up is my desire. I am a flaming heterosexual and how could you say such a thing?

            You some how think I like women having their breasts removed and it is some how funny or that my brother was hung like a pig to remove his prostate?

            On the contrary and yes if women were to unite as one and put their feet down then this whole nuclear think(g) would go away. Did they/you play a role (women) with the stopping of the above ground Nuclear tests?

            Your breast cancer and yes prostate cancer is caused by radiation contamination.

            What is that you do not like about your current reality?

            Don't take it out (your reality) on me..

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        man, I just KNEW there would be a medical solution to nuclear! Start with vaccines, then move to drugs, surgery and radiation. Yes, even Fukushima can be part of the solution to cancer as thousands will flock for radiation treatment in the newly re-purposed reactor 2

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      women cut off both their breasts? only if their male counterparts agree to cut off their cajones

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        we had a long discussion concerning the wisdom and ethics of preemptive breast amputation a few months ago. Maybe he alluded to this, pointing out the over-all insanity we call civilization

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Oh, missed that. Was an attempt at humor. No offense taken, and hopefully none caused.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            I mean seriously, we were talking about having all our body parts amputated, so what's left?

          • We Not They Finally

            Then again, some people might say that it's a terrible discussion, not funny, and offensive. Just saying….

            Besides, we are likely to have a lot of personally desperate scenes ahead. Maybe better to stay in tact as long as possible.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              heres an idea; instead of being offended, try to grasp the intent. It was sarcasm to show the unthinkable craziness of the situation. Doesnt it seem that unconscious insecurity often accompanies those easily offended?

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                No one wants their belief system misrepresented and lied about. The offense in not in the criticism but in the misrepresentation. Coupled with this is the fact that the penalties for such a discussion on this website is to be put in moderation or banned forever.

                Also, only trolls or shills or members of Tavistock or the intelligence community will interrupt the subject matter of the thread and waste everyone's time in a discussion that is unrelated to nuclear or is politically motivated unrelated to nuclear.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..The cooling of the corium with groundwater..is going on now..
    And by looking over at the webcam page..it is not going so well.
    This leading to the contamination of the Pacific Ocean..contamination ad finitum.

    • sangell

      That's why they should shut down water injection and see if there is any pressure or temperature rise in the reactor vessels. If not, why add to their contaminated water problem by pumping more water into a reactor whose bottom has a big hole in it?

      • The reactor vessels were completely breached at the beginning of the disaster, when the cores 'liquified' and melted through the bottoms into the containment drywells. Took awhile to melt through the bulbs (and at unit-2 into the torus), but that's measured in mere weeks. Neither the pressure vessels nor the containment bulbs/supression chambers (toruses) have held any pressure since then.

        TEPCO also notes the flooded reactor building basements are "cracked," which is how the groundwater is getting in, coming in contact with coriums to pick up contamination, and getting out again to flow to the ocean. "A River Runs Through It."

        The fill on which the plants are built also have no caprock which might serve to hold pressure, which is why there has not been any big explosions from in the ground. The whole facility is one giant sieve. Nothing man-made there is capable of holding back contamination.

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          .. 🙂

          • hbjon hbjon

            It's good to see you've become immune to stress Obewan. Maybe the experts were right about positive facial expression dramatization and radiation?

            • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

              Once you know your/have been screwed its time to light up another cigarette and then you might as well enjoy the next ride… 🙂

        • How about pumping in concrete and filling in all of the basements with cement?

          There has to be answer, but it will cost a lot, because the best and brightest minds have to be put on this.

          The problem?

          They do not want to spend any money on this.

          Baling wire, duct tape and garden hoses, plus leaky used tanks and bladders.. call it good, keeping dumping 300 – 10,000 tons of highly radioactive water into the ocean PER DAY, hope no one notices or measures anything who is outside the industry.

          Deny any plutonium came out, above all else…

          • Hmmm… that's actually a pretty good idea I never thought of. I'd thought of injecting a boron-zeolite resin of some sort to the spent fuel pools so they could be brought down in controlled demolition of the reactor building ruins. Prep for burying and building that gigantic lead pyramid my grandson (a HUGE Godzilla fan all his life) says they're gonna need. But that left the coriums still leaking to the ocean forever.

            Only idea I had about that was to install the cofferdam uphill toward the mountains and divert the groundwater around the facility on both sides. So the leakage would be diminished, but never stopped.

            Pumping boron-zeolite concrete (or ceramic) to fill the totality of ground level and under structure (now flooded) in all plants would serve to at least bind the coriums and might diminish future 'leaks' so significantly the current seawall can hold the heavies.

            I'll have to incorporate that into my proposal! BTW, this only works if, as I have surmised, the coriums are now immobile per actively melting whatever they're touching. #3's may have awhile to go on that… §;o)

          • * Diversion of the groundwater 'river' is still necessary or leaks would be forever even if they did fill the basements. Once that water isn't flowing through the basements (where I strongly suspect the corium or most of it is now) and coming up from seeps on the sea floor in and well beyond the current seawall, that "Mother Of All Seawalls" out beyond that and closing a large chunk of Japan's northeastern coast wouldn't be necessary.

            When (if ever) the leaks from the trenches, storage tanks and assorted run-off can be stopped, the closed-off lagoon could itself be filled with concrete and capped with impermeable ceramic as part of the Great Fukushima Pyramid and Nuclear Graveyard international park and tourist destination…

            • hbjon hbjon

              Your Grandson has borrowed my intellectual property JoyB but that's OK. I actually coined the name Fluxor as it will affectionately be known as in time. Like 100 years if anyone is still around. Can you hear the Grandchildren say "Grampa, can I go surfing by the Fluxor this weekend?".

              Perhaps, the World Health Org. will declare it having cancer healing properties. Geez, I hope someone is recording this for posterity.

          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Recently saw an estimate the tons of water going through the plant daily are somewhere on the order of 75,000 to 100,000 tons or more. If I can find a link, will post it.

            That figure is much, much higher than the 300 to 1,000 ton figure we see so often.

            Looked it up in a handy-dandy online converter, and 1,000,000 gallons (one million gallons) is equal to 31,491.4 tons (U.S., not metric tonnes).

            If it's true the reactors use millions of gallons of cooling water daily, and there are three or four melted out reactors, that's 100,000 or 125,000 TONS of water daily. And where is the water being used to cool the spent fuel pools going?

            That's a LOT of irradiated water.

  • Sickputer

    Oh well, on Thursday they can just open the tent cover at Unit 1 and wait for the rain from Typhoon Danas:

    http://japandailypress.com/typhoon-danas-targeting-japan-this-week-0737205/

  • weeman

    With any extreme engineering as we have at Fukushima you must maintain a minimum of three redundancy systems for all perimeters?, example the space shuttle, three back up systems for everything.
    The third back up at Fukushima should be the ability to pump salt water into reactors, a very simple and easly installed backup only to be used in emergency, clueless?
    Yes why not reduce amount of water being injected and closely monitor for rises in radiation or not and determine if required,?

    • Sorry, that would cost TOO MUCH.. cannot afford more than duct tape, baling wire and leaky, non earthquake proof tanks, no warranty, guaranteed to leak after install or within 2 years, whichever comes first.

      No backups other than backing away from the site and just letting it go.. the ultimate back up system.

      Just back up and get the heck out of Dodge.. Let er ripppppp, and walk away.

      Let someone else worry about the consequences.. The authorities have already let everyone off the hook, no consequences, genocide is ok and legal now.

      Everyone involved in the FAILURE and global genocide gets more no bid contracts, just for fun…did not even have to ask.

    • hbjon hbjon

      It's too late to install that final back-up system. The once in a lifetime event that opens the gate to the ocean and allows emergency cooling. Sure the plants would be down quite a while afterward and create a huge dent in profits, but…

  • Water actually is a type of radiation barrier. The cores melted through containment probably in different ways across the three ruined reactors. The water they pour on it is a last ditch way of somewhat controlling the mess even if all they are doing is preventing or slowing down further contamination of the site. Just think of running an old car with a big hole in the rad. You have to keep adding water to the system and if you stop it'll just dry out.
    If you go to http://netc.com/ by the way high readings in Cali, and scroll across to Japan you can find Fukushima Dai-ichi and Dai-ini radiation monitors the data being provided by Tepco. This station looks closest to the melted down reactors.

    145000
    Station ID 6:1181341550 Fukushima Dai-ichi, Fukushima, JP
    nSv/h: current 145000 Low 141000 High 156000
    Average 149554, Deviation 4006.5

    Thats 145.0 µSv/hr compare to my average background of .11 µSv/hr here in Vancouver Canada or 1,318 times my average background. I don't know how long you can legally allow a worker to work in such an environment but it can't be too long. They sure are not going to turn the water off to see if the radiation levels will go up. They know the levels will go up. One of the dangers is that levels go so high no workers can go on site and the place gets evacuated and left to burn. Exactly what is going on there is speculation as we know TepGov lie. But I believe they do need to keep pouring water on the mess.

    • weeman

      I agree with you at this time, the corium is still extremely hot and if it takes 5 years to cool spent fuel rods in the SFP, how long to cool corium?
      Yes water is a radiation barrier, but you are only preventing atmospheric release, by encapsulating the radiation in water, it is still migrating and the same amount of radiation is still being realeased into the environment through water, no win situation, if realeased directly into the atmosphere we would be dead in years, it will take much longer if realeased in ocean, but the end result is the same, pray no china syndrome.
      That is a good point that you made about all three reactors having different degrees of failure as you and I know no two accidents are alike? Let's hope for the best.

      • I don't think its going to be a china syndrome. Thats a phrase coined by the movies. A dramatic hollywood myth to sell a movie. Not to say its not a major disaster but as the cores melt through containment and concrete, that material adds to the blob diluting somewhat the blob and further water being poured on top cooling it somewhat contact with ground and possibly groundwater cooling it somewhat so although still hot and highly radioactive and leeching radiation into the sea and air, maybe not a blob anymore but veins spreading out I don't think it has the power to melt down through the crust of the earth.

        • weeman

          I am with you on that point, no question containment is breeched but has one or more ex vessel ?
          A question still to be answered, let's hope.
          I don't think most people know the consequences if ex vessel, it is kiss your arse goodnight, if at some point we cannot contain, it is not sustainable? Plot it on a graph, put in a reasonable level of release and plot over time, it does not matter what the realeased is if you plot it over the radioactive life you come to the same conclusion.
          To quote the words of Jim Morrison, this is the end.

          • Hi, weeman. Consider that TEPCO/Japanese government are now telling us that the basements are "cracked," and that is how the underground 'river' is getting in and out to the ocean. We are left to presume the coriums – or large amounts of them – are in those basements so the river that flows through them can come in contact with said coriums.

            What we are NOT being told is how long those basements have been cracked and flooded. Did the cracks happen in the original earthquak and/or strong aftershocks? Did they happen when the 'river' changed course to flow through them? We have sideways information that the basements extend to below sea level, and have been kept dry with sump pumps to the discharge outlets. Those would have failed in the blackout. Have they ever been operating since?

            The corium would have been hot and viscous when it hit the basements, though slow due to dilution with concrete/steel. Its hotter, more molten lowest surface would have followed any cracks to the earth, and through whatever pathway the water is now taking toward the sea. So it's probably not a single coherent mass, but an "octopus."

            Some of it may be below the basements. Most of it is probably still in the basements. I could be wrong, of course.

            • weeman

              If the corium is in basement and basement is cracked only, if you can lower the level of contaminated water in basement till it is below water table, hydraulic pressure will ensure no radioactivity escapes into environment and only fresh water enters basement, you still have to store or decontaminate water pumped from basement, that is just another hurdle, one of thousands?
              Every reaction has a opposite reaction?

            • Joy and Weeman, The basements are below sea level and per Gundersons last video, tour of the plant sump pumps were installed and water was being pumped out of the basements since the poison factories were built. Cracks in foundations happen all the time in buildings that never see earthquakes due to natural shifts of ground and this thing was built on an ancient river bed not solid granite so cracks could have always been there made worse by earthquake. I would suspect possible inferior materials used as long history of Tepco cutting corners for profits. Now for sure containment leaks they are pumping water through cooling system thats supposed to be a closed system like cooling system of your car but its like running a beat up old chevy with massive rad leak you just keep adding water as coolant leaks into the ground. This is only one aspect of the situation. Joy I would love your take on how Tepco can secure a 5.9 billion US$ loan from private bankers given your personal experience with this industry. They totally scammed the banks with false promises is my take. Puzzling Evidence.

      • hbjon hbjon

        There happens to be a situation where the radiation/fuel is not in its useable universe where we can talk about residual heat, water cooling, containment, shielding, or reactor cores.

        The EQ & tsunami changed the channel on us. Now we're watching a different program. This program isn't about machines that miraculously prevent a runaway chain reaction with control rods and coolant. This one is about what happens when the water can't find its way to where the chain reaction is and the fuel melts out of the delicate machine.

        Fast forward to the part where the fuel ends up on our dinner table or tap water. Then FF to the doctors office where your given some really bad news. FF another year or two to your grieving family and friends.

        If only we could have seen. How could we not have known? We thought they were so smart back in the day. They were Godlike.

        • weeman

          @hbjon
          I would like to run something by you and get your opinion or anybody else on unit four?
          No pictures as far as we know exist of four blowing up why, is it possible that they had we will call a nuclear event and this caused a EMP and all cameras were fried etc.
          If so it must have effected a large area no?
          The reason for my line of thinking is if it could be proven that a nuclear explosion or event was proved, the Japanese people would never let another reactor start up, it is still in there collective memory what happened at the end of second world war.
          Thanks in advance.

          • hbjon hbjon

            I'm sorry weeman, I honestly do not know what your talking about here. I agree that the video of U4 should be available to us for viewing, but at some point in our worst nightmare we eventually must wake-up.

            Those that control the cameras and information don't want people to know certain facts. Your very sharp weeman. I've read your posts. Even if the explosion happened at night, and all the floodlights were blown to smithereens, we should still have been able to view something.

            It most certainly was either a fission criticality or a fusion reaction. Those are the two types of situations that yield the energy required to do the damage we witnessed. Imho.

            • weeman

              Electric magnetic pulse, fries electronics, can be caused by nuclear event?
              No it blew up during day, if you look at high res pic recently realeased blast radius goes all the way to switching station?
              Reports of at least three separate explosions and a description of the building morphing, unusual word?
              I am just looking for answers.

              • or-well

                weeman, here's Unit 4, allegedly.
                About 50 seconds in and again about the 2:25 mark.
                In between is Unit 2 going up.
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDXEhyuVSDk&feature=related

                other vids used to exist but were pulled for copyright.

                • weeman

                  Thanks for that never seen anything on four, very grainy but it does show four like a steam train, I would not expect that to do the damage we see, don't think that was main event?

                  • or-well

                    weeman, I agree, vid quality is terrible.
                    That was noted by most at the time when there where more copies around.
                    Just wanted to show there was video once upon a time.
                    I believe the mention of three explosions was in the context of Unit 3 experiencing three "events" in very rapid succession.

                • or-well

                  Correction: in the linked vid is snippets of #4 & #1, not #2 (obviously!)and nothing about #3. SHEESH!

              • hbjon hbjon

                And fission doesn't fry anything?

        • We got sucked in with the idea that they must know what they are doing. Now that we have a major failure they are happy to let it continue polluting and cause cancer and illness to save there precious economy. See my links below. Even though this comedy rant the specifics are Canadian, the general sentiment holds true worldwide. Political gamesmanship takes precedent over scientific reality.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XY-frCZng

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            Of course it does, since it is politics that controls the money via the laws of its distribution.

            All as the science industry rapes the coffers they the politicos have created from the general pool of sheep and cattle controlled by those same laws written via by force taxation/rate policies.

            Citizens paid for all this via taxes/rates/credit/subsidies.. that you now call the Nuclear Technology Industry.

            They have used your own money to exterminate you and its all legal….nice!

    • byron byron

      Hi Mark. 145,000 at number 1. How relate to Sieverts? Tower reading 10 Sieverts. Numbers on NETC mention Beta and Gamma detectors. Then the readings in Japan do not mention either. Some in US and the 2 in Europe don't mention which kind of radiation, either.

      • We Not They Finally

        It's a mess of off-scale readings, partial readings, and falsified ones. We need some consistent education about what kind of meters and what they read, and then be told that along with the readings. Even keeping tabs on alpha, beta and gamma can get confusing and misleading. And no one ever seems to give TOTALS, which is scary. So even when we get astronomical figures for some one radionuclide, the overall is way worse.

        Michael Collins of enviroreporter.com is very responsible about readings in air and food and what kind, and what kind of meter he uses. It's just "mom and pop" compared to the scale on which it needs to be done.

  • Anti Nuclear Lyrics From Bob Dylan – Blowin In The Radioactive Wind; via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/10/anti-nuclear-lyrics-from-bob-dylan.html

    Nuclear Reactor Recertification Issues – Anti Nuclear Music, Lyrics, Poetry
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/p/nuclear-reactor-recertification.html

  • As Tepco avoids expenses with apparently Japan and other governments blessings, they secure a billion dollar loan from private bankers.
    The truth is stranger then fiction. They are hoping to post a profit as the Pacific continues toget radiated.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/30/japan-nuclear-tepco-idUST9N0GD01Q20130930

  • Enenews should be posting the financial side to this disaster. Some of you didn't like my criticism of Markww's remediation plan. Where is the will to pay for it?

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/tepco-too-big-to-be-allowed-to-fail-analysts-say

    Corporate welfare, there is no free enterprise. Tepco is allowed to dick around with this disaster because they don't want to disturb the money markets. A good reason why Obummer and others are silent on this issue.

    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      It's not only about the markets. Tepco's loans were rolled over. The banks aren't going to do that w/o some amount of confidence there will be an ability to at least pay interest. Profits must continue to be generated somewhere despite the huge outflows of cash necessary to keep the Beast of Daiichi under control.

      I'm quite confident the funding for control measures is just as much a part of their panic as what those control measures will be.

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    OK, let's see. They're running cooling on backup systems (maybe not relevant in context of melted out coriums, but certainly to spent fuel pools, reactors 5 and 6).

    Then there's the monster typhoon headed their way, due to pass over on Wednesday, October 9. It looks like the eye of the storm may go directly over them.

    Then there's the flooding and rainfall to consider. The ground is already nearly liquified.

    Then there's the 400 foot tall stack ready to topple, perhaps by the high winds which could come with the typhoon.

    Then there's the storm surge which often comes with hurricanes and typhoons, which may swamp the site.

    Do you think the TepClowns have made arrangements for any of this, especially ensuring backup power can be available in any contingency? Is it even possible, during extreme conditions associated with a strong typhoon?

    Oy, vey.

  • weeman

    No four had at least two events.
    anne posted this, I take it that most have seen before, I had not the end of video is freighting, it is three months into accident, please review if you have not seen.
    I do not know how to do properly sorry, analog not digital?

    Anne I hope you do not mind I reposted, let me know if so?
    October 4, 2013 at 10:32 pm · Reply
    I think the building did morf.

    Here is a later explosion/fire from June, 2011:

    FISSION EVENT and Fire at Fukushima #4 (+ video)
    June 14, 2011
    http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/06/apparent-explosion-and-fire-at-fukushima-4/

    • or-well

      weeman, thanks.
      Multiple events – but was there more than one "explosive-type event" at Unit 4 on the day of the first explosion?
      I don't know if it's even relevant anymore…

      • weeman

        Everything is relevant, we may survive this but our luck will run out?
        I want to stop nuclear power and the only way I know is to disprove them and if it could be proved that the SFP all around the world are nuclear bombs with no containment, did the spent fuel pools leak out water or did prompt criticality, did the earthquake toss the spent fuel bundles like match sticks for five minutes, remember they cannot touch each other.
        To prove that four was a nuclear detonation since it was not operational and that is not suppose to happen, let's see them explain that?

  • weeman

    Another porky prime pick from anne, thanks anne.

    Nuclear Regulation Authority: Fukushima Reactor No. 4 Suffered At Least 2 Major Explosions On 311
    “…On 8/30/2013, Nuclear Regulation Authority released their report about reactor4 investigation conducted from this July to August.
    “In this report, they concluded reactor4 experienced at least 2 strong explosions in 311.
    “According to their report, the ceiling and floor of S-W part of the 4th floor had a severe damage. Also, the floor of N-W part of the 3rd floor had a serious damage. The investigating team assumed there were 2 major explosion around these areas.
    “In addition to it, the 5th floor lost the walls on theS, E and W and the roof. There might have been another explosion there according to their report….”
    http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2013/09/20/nuclear-regulation-authority-fukushima-reactor-no-4-suffered-at-least-2-major-explosions-on-311/

    • or-well

      weeman, aha! Also, re: your earlier question to hbjon and the issue of proving a nuclear explosion –
      I don't think it is necessary.
      There are enough issues with nuclear power to justify killing it.
      That said, anything that adds to the truth is good.

  • DeSwiss DeSwiss

    So is this guy who pushed the wrong button, the same one who measures the volume of their holding tanks? :-/