German radiation professor warns of possible nuclear explosion at Fukushima

Published: November 6th, 2011 at 9:40 am ET
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Source: Bild.de

Translation by: Google

Date: Nov. 5, 2011

Headline: German radiation expert warns: “Fukushima nuclear bomb in the mini-scale”

Caption: Radiation expert: Fukushima is like mini atomic bomb — The German radiation expert Professor Edmund Lengfelder warns against further nuclear explosion in the nuclear horror. Fukushima was a “kind of atomic bomb in the mini-scale”

How dangerous are the horror Fukushima really is?

Edmund Lengfelder

Tokyo – After an uncontrolled nuclear fission a few days ago, warns the German radiation expert Professor Edmund Lengfelder from further nuclear explosion in Fukushima.

“There is a spontaneous fission – because anything can happen, even if one says, it is not likely. But what is to be kept of statements about probabilities, we have on 11 Seen in March, “said the founder of the Society for Radiological Protection. [...]

In plain language: [xenon] can not originate from the meltdown of the March. In Fukushima, it comes back to uncontrolled meltdowns.

Therefore Lengfelder compares the horror with a nuclear bomb in the mini-scale attacks and the operator: “Tepco is even further than previously claimed, away to get things under control.”

*UPDATE* translated DPA article via BreadAndButter:

In view of reports of an uncontrolled nuclear fission reactor accident in Japan’s Fukushima Munich Radiation expert warns of Prof. Edmund Lengfelder of the possibility of a nuclear explosion.

It would be “a kind of mini-nuclear bomb in the scale,” said Lengfelder the dpa news agency. “The probability, however I can not estimate at all,” said radiation expert. Because nobody knows how much enriched uranium as coalesced into how the derelict nuclear power plant units. It had been found, the radioisotopes 133 and 135 of the xenon gas.

Because these are products of nuclear fission, which have only a half-life of about five days and nine hours, they could not come from the time of the accident in March , “There is there a spontaneous fission – can happen because everything, even if they say, it is not likely. But what is to be kept of statements about probabilities, we have on 11 March seen, Lengfelder said.

At that time had seriously damaged a strength in this unexpected earthquake and a tsunami and the nuclear power plant caused the meltdown. In a functioning reactor is maintained in the words of experts, the chain reaction by control rods under control. “But it is this control in a meltdown so no longer.”

Lengfelder had after the meltdown at Chernobyl 25 years ago the Society for Radiological Protection and the Munich-based Otto Hug Radiation Institute. He cared for people with thyroid cancer today in the former Soviet disaster area. The radiation expert also criticized the crisis management in Japan. “For me, it is also inhumane, that in such a wealthy country like Japan, people still live in the gyms. That there was not even on the Soviets “The evacuation after Chernobyl have worked much better.”

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85 comments to German radiation professor warns of possible nuclear explosion at Fukushima

  • ocifferdave

    He didnt mention what would trigger the explosion (ie cold ground water expanding to gas rapidly under super high temp corium) did he? Its early, brain sleepy.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      I am wondering why it was described as having the potential of being a “mini atom bomb”? Have any of the good folks here done the math with consideration given to the huge amount of fuel in Fukushima compared to that of Chernobyl? If the fears that Chernobyl could create a “huge” explosion that would’ve destroyed a city 320 km away-then why is the explosive potential of Fukushima which is so much closer to the water table considered “mini a-bomb potential”? From the calculations of anyone that has a rough estimate of the true worst-case scenario who has a good idea of the explosive potential-”what is your estimate in megatonnage for Fuku if the whole thing were to go up at one? While I’m grateful that experts are increasingly displaying concern,especially for the public health threat-I’m kind of irritated that they all seem to minimize the potential outcome before closing their statements as if they’re trying to express concern for the public AND minimize the backlash their analysis & statements will have on the filthy nuke industry at the same time. The ones finally saying anything at all seem to be playing both sides and saying what both sides want to hear & it winds up not having any real impact on the issue & “we”lose by default aside from minimal gains made with respect to any publicity at least finally being seen by those who’d never even heard about the event to date.Finally,in “mutton-head speak”,if Fuku goes “BOOM”-aside from the local devastation,would this create another relatively short period of higher fallout levels followed by a sharp decrease in radiation afterwards?Like a bomb of the same yield,or would the low-level stuff still continue douching everyone downwind continuously as it has been?Since the Spring I kept hearing “no,it cannot explode,no way”,now it’s “another” story?!!Please clarify this for me.THANX


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    • SnorkY2K

      Really can’t comment on triggering. But, there is no large scale explosion necessary to cause far reaching catastrophy. Small scale criticalities could cause increased induced fission at higher rates than typical decay related spontaneous fission with a possibility of a wider spread of daughter products.


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Sorry, but the BILD newspaper is not a trustworthy source… They can’t even spell Mr Lengfelder’s name correctly throughout the article.
    In the original German interview Prof. Lengfelder said that IF there would be another explosion at Fuku, this new explosion could be like a mini nuclear bomb.


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      This translation I posted yesterday:
      Munich (dpa) – In view of reports of an uncontrolled nuclear fission reactor accident in Japan’s Fukushima Munich Radiation expert warns of Prof. Edmund Lengfelder of the possibility of a nuclear explosion. It would be “a kind of mini-nuclear bomb in the scale,” said Lengfelder the dpa news agency. “The probability, however I can not estimate at all,” said radiation expert. Because nobody knows how much enriched uranium as coalesced into how the derelict nuclear power plant units. It had been found, the radioisotopes 133 and 135 of the xenon gas. . Because these are products of nuclear fission, which have only a half-life of about five days and nine hours, they could not come from the time of the accident in March , “There is there a spontaneous fission – can happen because everything, even if they say, it is not likely. But what is to be kept of statements about probabilities, we have on 11 March »seen Lengfelder said. At that time had seriously damaged a strength in this unexpected earthquake and a tsunami and the nuclear power plant caused the meltdown. In a functioning reactor is maintained in the words of experts, the chain reaction by control rods under control. “But it is this control in a meltdown so no longer.” Lengfelder had after the meltdown at Chernobyl 25 years ago the Society for Radiological Protection and the Munich-based Otto Hug Radiation Institute. He cared for people with thyroid cancer today in the former Soviet disaster area. The radiation expert also criticized the crisis management in Japan. “For me, it is also inhumane, that in such a wealthy country like Japan, people still live in the gyms. That there was not even on the Soviets “The evacuation after Chernobyl have worked much better.”


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      • ocifferdave

        Thanks BB. And how was your cookies and tea?


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      • reVivre

        @BreadAndButter you might like to use these source links to the article: (I posted yesterday as well)

        “Wissenschaftler warnt vor nuklearer Explosion in Fukushima”
        de: http://tinyurl.com/65dqhcg
        “Scientist warns of nuclear explosion in Fukushima”
        en transl: http://tinyurl.com/62rabv8


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        • reVivre

          @reVivre – thanks for supplying the reference to make the quotings usable and beware to rely on bild-news.


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          • voltscommissar

            Bild magazine seems to be getting a lot of flak around here. It is just a downmarket rag, but there is nothing too much wrong with the terse journalistic text if we use a bit of English idiomatic licence in cleaning-up a typical machine translation (I used translate.google.com)

            Bread and Butter went on to goive another machine translation of the longer DPA article, but the re is no link to it!!

            So FWIW, this is my “idiomatic” translation of the Bild article, and as I said up top, I find nothing here to be critical of. It seems quite measured and logical. But then maybe I’m crap when it comes to translating the true “sense” of the original German…

            Wie gefährlich ist das Horror-AKW Fukushima wirklich?
            How dangerous is the horror nuclear power plant in Fukushima really?

            Tokio – Nach einer unkontrollierten Kernspaltung vor wenigen Tagen, warnt der deutsche Strahlen-Experte Prof. Edmund Lengfelder vor einer weiteren nuklearen Explosion in Fukushima.
            Tokyo – After an uncontrolled nuclear fission a few days ago German radiation expert Professor Edmund Lengfelder warns of further nuclear explosion [risk] in Fukushima.

            „Es gibt dort eine spontane Kernspaltung – da kann alles passieren, auch wenn man sagt, es ist nicht wahrscheinlich. Aber was von Aussagen über Wahrscheinlichkeiten zu halten ist, haben wir am 11. März gesehen“, sagte der Gründer der Gesellschaft für Strahlenschutz.
            “There was a spontaneous fission – showing that anything can happen, even if some people say it is not likely. But what must be kept in mind about statements on probabilities, is the events of 11th March.” said the founder of the Society for Radiological Protection.

            Laut Langenfelder seien acht Monate nach dem Super-GAU** in Fukushima jetzt die Radioisotope 133 und 135 des Gases Xenon gefunden worden.
            According to Langenfeld, eight months after the meltdown** in Fukushima, radioisotopes 133 and 135 of xenon gas have now been found.


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            • voltscommissar

              Diese Isotope sind Produkte einer Kernspaltung. Sie haben nur eine Halbwertszeit von fünf beziehungsweise neun Tagen.
              These isotopes are products of nuclear fission. They only have a half life of five or nine days.

              Heißt im Klartext: Sie können nicht vom Super-GAU aus dem März stammen. In Fukushima kommt es wieder zu unkontrollierten Kernschmelzen.
              In plain language: They cannot originate from the meltdown of March. In Fukushima, [to explain] it leaves only uncontrolled meltdowns.

              Daher vergleicht Lengfelder das Horror-AKW mit einer Atombombe im Mini-Maßstab und greift den Betreiber an: „Tepco ist noch weiter, als bisher behauptet, davon entfernt, die Dinge in den Griff zu bekommen.“
              Therefore Lengfelder compares the Horror-NPP with a small-scale nuclear bomb, berating the operator: “Tepco is even further away than previously claimed, from getting things under control.”

              Weiterer Vorwurf des 68-Jährigen: Die Sperrzone von 50 Kilometern rund um das AKW ist viel zu gering. Sie müsse mindestens 100 Kilometer betragen. „Die Behandlung der Bevölkerung ist menschenverachtend“, sagte er.
              Another criticism of the 68-year old: The exclusion zone of 50 kilometers around the nuclear plant is far too low. You must be at least 100 kilometers. “The treatment of the population is inhuman,” he said.

              In Fukushima hatte sich am 11. März infolge der Erdbeben- und Tsunami-Katastrophe das schwerste Atomunglück seit Tschernobyl 1986 ereignet. Zehntausende Menschen mussten die verstrahlten Gebiete rund um Fukushima verlassen.
              On 11 March following the earthquake and tsunami disaster, Fukushima has experienced the worst nuclear accident to have happened since Chernobyl in 1986. Tens of thousands of people had to leave the contaminated areas around Fukushima.

              _________________________________________

              ** ** “Super-GAU” is not “just” a meltdown, it is a meltdown/explosion with failure of primary and secondary containments,…


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    • arclight arclight

      see your point!! thanks

      The German Media and the Arab-Israeli Conflict: A Mirror of German Social Ideologies
      Written by:
      Andreas Krieg, MA Candidate
      IDC, Herzliya, Lauder School of Government
      2009

      “This paper will focus especially on two newspapers that offer opposing stances towards the conflict and that both are a part of the German mainstream media, i.e. the Tageszeitung (TAZ) and the Bild Zeitung (Bild). Both newspapers represent the two most prominent social stances towards the Arab Israeli Conflict in Germany today. The Bild Zeitung on the one hand takes a conservative approach to the conflict in the Middle East that is characterized by an obvious pro-Israeli position typical for the immediate post-war German society. On the other hand the Tageszeitung takes a typical left-wing approach spiced by some post-1968 sentiments that is featured by an Israel-critical, pro-Palestinian standpoint. This paper claims that these two positions offered by Bild and TAZ represent the major standpoints in the current controversy of how to assess the Arab-Israeli conflict in German society. In order to balance the analysis, this paper will also briefly shed light on a more neutral newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), which both prints articles that are more conservative and some that are more in line with leftist rhetoric.”

      http://www.thepicaproject.org/?page_id=200


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  • I believe “if” the amounts of these radioisotopes 133 and 135 of the xenon gas increase as others, the likelihood of a nuclear explosion is emanate and it may cause a chain reaction to other ares of plant as well, I do not see how the increases can be taken any other way then a warning of pending anomalies with further devastation in Japan and across the globe in many ways directly by radiation and other event’s this may/will cause in immediate aftermaths and beyond !
    Are we getting daily reports of the amounts being measured ?


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  • Stephengn

    ALL nuclear power plants are nuclear bombs – in slow motion


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  • ocifferdave

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/06/us/oklahoma-earthquake/?hpt=us_c2

    My mind is still trying to account for the record breaking natural disasters we have witnessed in 2011 so far. Lets add another straw on the camel’s back.


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  • arclight arclight

    ice link whoopee
    Fuck me ive struck the motherload!!

    I graduated in Physics (MSc in Nuclear Physics) at the University of Vienna, have worked many years at the IAEA where I also wrote my thesis and hold the Austrian and Mexican nationalities.
    Widespread Corruption at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
    “Introduction:
    1. This story is about widespread corruption, mismanagement, abuse of power and arbitrary rule, deliberate lies, violations of human rights and violations of the IAEA’s Staff Regulations and Staff Rules by the IAEA’s Management (in the IAEA, only the IAEA’s Management can violate the IAEA’s Staff Regulations and Staff Rules at will… and decide who else can do this as well!) and nepotism (godfatherism). ……”.

    “2. This story is firstly my personal story. But it is also a story of the world public, because it is about an international Organisation that exists of the money of the contributions (of the tax payers) of the IAEA Member States {at present amounting to approximately $ 490 million [$ 390 million (of the regular budget) and about $ 100 million (of voluntary contributions from member states)], which is about € 370 million}. Furthermore, this story took place at the same time the IAEA and its Director General at that time, Mr Mohamed ElBaradei, were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
    …cont…..


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    This German guy is a disinformation specialist or is misinformed–I am pretty certain the former. Fukushima is NOT like a nuclear bomb in the way that he describes. Nuclear bombs do not, themselves, very efficiently, in general, either burn off their load of radioactive fuel. But nuke bombs don’t leave coriums, either. Though, as we can see with Chernobyl and FukuDai, nuclear explosions are very serious, the danger, of course, is the coriums which we cannot reach or have any hope to stop from fissioning as long as the employed strategies are status quo CYA with no open sharing of REAL information or citizen empowerment in oversite. Fissioning of corium getting worse and more radioactive is a much bigger problem than the periodic explosions of the corium in the case of FukuDai, and eventually again perhaps, at Chernobyl. The ongoing fissioning at FukuDai is like a nuclear bomb, or three, or more, going off continuously in terms of hyper-emissions of radiation. The quadrillions of bequerels of a diversity of radionuclide aerosols and particles of radionuclides are the problem–worsening geometrically! We are doing NOTHING about this under the current powers-that-be covert, lying, profiteering super criminal status quo. The only kind of explosions possible at nuclear power plants are very inefficient ones…very dirty and lots of fallout but with lots of potential corium left over to continue emitting fission products in the quadrillions of Bq’s daily.The documentary, “Chernobyl Heart”, said, and I tend to go with this estimate, that only 3% of the fuel was consumed in the Chernobyl incident explosion. The problem is the ongoing, increasingly radioactive, cyclic fission process of the coriums, the potential for fires–leading to more corium–in the spent fuel pools and common spent fuel pools and the Japanese burning of low-to-high level nuclear wastes to cover their tracks and to spread the pain, so to speak–more CYA. We must stay clearheaded.


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    • Fukushima is NOT like a nuclear bomb in the way that he describes. Nuclear bombs do not, themselves, very efficiently, in general, either burn off their load of radioactive fuel.

      look here:
      Pu-240 has a high rate of spontaneous fission, which can cause a nuclear weapon to predetonate.
      found here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons-grade

      I do agree that nuke plants are not like nuke bombs.
      but is very sophisticated high skill to get the right materials in a nuke plant or in a bomb to produce and accept neutrons with just the right energy to split atoms, not to less not to much.
      in the corium soup or whatever nothing is under control at all.
      and the fear is that maybe a composition is formed over time which may be able to detonate nuclear by itself. this is not disinformation.
      it is just to stay open about alternatives to the tepco stay calm it while be cleaned in january.


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  • arclight arclight

    4. Lastly, this story uncovers a clever system of oppression and intimidation implemented by the IAEA’s Management since many years to cover up its errors and its corrupted and criminal doings. In addition to the fact that most of the problems within the Organization are created by the IAEA’s Management itself due to their lack of qualifications for their positions, the IAEA’s Management is also the source of most of the corruption as it has absolute power. It is therefore their utmost interest to hide at all cost both, the problems and the corruption they themselves produce. Ideally, in such an organization the management is expected to establish procedures (like that for reported misconduct) and policies (like that for whistleblowers) to solve problems and to fight corruption. In the IAEA however, the Management did establish such procedures and policies, but with the only objective of identifying reporters (of problems, or of misconduct) and whistleblowers for reducing them to silence and/or attacking them [for example, by accusing them of whatever even without any evidence (for which case the IAEA’s Management uses the word “founded”) and forcing them into a Kafkaesque (endless) process, the only way out of which being for the (as from now) accused abandoning the case!] if necessary (in case they resist), without leaving any trace (meaning here without anyone else knowing about it) thanks to their most important instrument, the confidentiality.

    A staff member reporting misconduct, or some other problem, or corruption is lost from the start regardless of whether he presented valid evidence [in which case the IAEA’s Management has a magic word: “unfounded” (this can be seen in many of the judgments of the ILOAT)] or no valid evidence (in which case the report is anyway “unfounded”). …”
    Loooaaaads more here

    http://www.jm-rico.at/


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  • thelili

    I am wondering at this point why they think any form of coverup is helpful. It’s not like it’s buying anyone more time.


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    • pure water

      They are afraid! Afraid of any form of justice. Afraid for their own positions. Afraid from possible panic reactions, and this they admit. Sure, they are afraid for their own health, those of them who understand the situation.


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      • batista

        I guess some of them know that the stuff which can help is limited. Hence od not want the populace to have knowledge or access to it…
        I guess our cleansers and blockers suck a great deal, whereas those used by the real higher-ups are the limited real-thing.


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  • arclight arclight

    http://www.jm-rico.at/
    “2. …The French already have undue influence over the Safety Department and often front for Areva,s interests.”;
    “10. …France, which already has a strong and unhealthy influence in the Department of Safety and Security.”;
    “10. …The French currently hold several key positions in the safety area, including one of the two D-1 positions directly reporting to the DDG, and there is a French representative in almost every section of the safety department.”;
    “10. …Many IAEA staff (both U.S. citizens and non-U.S. citizens) have complained to Msnoffs about the internal politics played by the French management (favoring French staff, giving French staff more opportunities, influencing results and documents to favor French industry, etc.).”;
    “10. …One prominent example of this is the undue influence of Andre LaCoste, head of the French Regulatory Body, ASN. LaCoste is the Chairman of almost every important IAEA-sponsored conference, workshop, and committee in the safety field.”;
    “10. …LaCoste has used these positions to influence the results of IAEA activities with a very blatant French bias. This is coupled with the strong presence at the IAEA of AREVA, the French government,s reactor designer and vendor.”;
    “10. …Because AREVA is government-owned, AREVA representatives are allowed to participate in IAEA meetings as French government representatives, and often do, giving AREVA tremendous influence over the activities of IAEA…”;
    “10. …Lacoste,s role is unhealthy because no one Member State should have so much influence over the safety program, and because it is unfair to other reactor vendors (or uranium mining, conversion, enrichment or fuel manufacturing companies) that are privately owned, including those from the U.S.”;
    cont…


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    • arclight arclight

      “12. …There are many other examples of French influence on safety documents and IAEA forums to benefit French interests and promote AREVA, or French IAEA staff discouraging Member States from considering other countries, reactor designs.”;
      “12. …If the French manage to obtain Taniguchi’s position, Mission is concerned that the entire Department of Safety and Security may ultimately be indistinguishable from another arm of AREVA.”;
      About this

      http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/12/09UNVIEVIENNA536.html

      cheers julian (whatever happaened to him?? eh?)


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Arc: I agree the French should be included and acknowledged as being part of those nations setting themselves up as the European end of the power elite of these times wagging their meaty well-fed fingers, no less than the filthy power elite of Germany at this time, at both Southern European and Global South nations to tighten their belts–and to dis-spell any notions of justice against the most parasitic humans, who aren’t EVER those in need; but those who decide terms of credit and value of currencies. France has additionally definitely appointed itself, likely due to its strategic embrace of pro-nukes policies for decades, with Germany and the UK primarily as the world judge and jury to the rest of the world’s experience of fiscal/socioeconomic “austerity” and suffering due, in part, to the mistakes of those same states pursuit of nuclear physics activities that addle the minds of those same presumptive, neo-corporatist states.


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  • Fudo

    Edmund Lengfelder has an “opinion”, nothing more. He was also in the minority opinion regarding the thyroid cancer cases from Chernobyl. (using the same faulty data that Helen Caldicott relied on)It’s one thing to be passionate about an issue, and another thing entirely to be objective. He’s a doctor, not a physicist, so not in a position to be estimating the potential for a nuclear explosion.

    I learned a few things through the Fukushima disaster. One is that it’s easy to cherry pick data to support a bias. If I were to rely solely on what I read on these pages, it would paint a highly inaccurate picture of what’s happening on the ground here in Japan. 3 weeks ago my friend in Tokyo was concerned enough that he rented a very good geigercounter. Not the cheap handheld models that can produce unreliable results. I did the same even though I live further south. I also sent soil samples for testing because I have children and want to know exactly what is happening here.

    To both our surprise, we came up with nothing outside of very slightly elevated readings from normal background radiation, well within the normal range. And this was after going to all the low lying areas where water collects, places that would have the highest possibility of contamination. (we wanted to find it) People need to realize, areas are being tested now that have never been tested before. It’s easy to draw the conclusion that readings in Korea and other places are automatically from Fukushima, when it is entirely possible some of these hotspots are from other causes. For one, if you look at the distribution pattern from Chernobyl, Asia received a lot of fallout, especially Japan and Korea.

    So while the disaster is very bad, it makes sense not to just look for the worst at every turn to support a doomsday mindset. It’s easy to get worked up into that state. I am not in denial or in fear. Only the facts matter. And without objectivity the liklihood of being wrong increases…


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Hi Fudo,
      you’re correct about E. Lengfelder. His main activity for many years has been to set up and regularly visit hospitals in the Chernobyl region.

      Secondly, I’m honestly happy to hear that your environment is not contaminated. Good that you had access to proper equipment! I feel it would be very helpful if you and others living in Japan could provide us with local news….

      Thanks for posting!


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    • Fudo

      Unfortunately the radiation contamination is increasing in Tokyo according to data posted at Fukushima Diary and Ex-SKF

      The radiation contamination is also increasing in the US.

      New data on soil contamination in CA and EPA data from radnet demonstrate increasing concentrations of radiation in the air and soil

      Beta levels for Yuma AZ US, when under the jet stream a couple of weeks ago, reached 950 CPM when 30 to 60 is normal background. 4 times background is considered a definite health risk by the EPA. 950 is more than 10 times background I’m afraid.

      The jet stream transports the radiation from Fukushima.

      Just because you area is low doesn’t mean that radiation contamination is not growing in other areas.

      Data from Chernobyl establish uneven concentration of fallout…

      Fukushima is still fissioning and plant data show levels of radiation that are truly frightening


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    • “Slightly elevated” and “well within normal” makes no sense. (?)

      It’s either elevated or it’s not. ANY amount of radiation above ‘background’ is not good for you. Especially women and children. Small pets and insects too. (the list goes on)
      see: BEIR VII Report

      How ‘long’ has it been slightly elevated?
      (almost 8 months! with no end in sight!)

      What are your actual numbers, show us the data. Let me decide what ‘slightly elevated’ means.

      Remember, it takes only one ingested particle to cause suffering or possibly even kill you or a loved one.

      Good LucK!


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      I hope the vendor who rented the geiger counter wasn’t also a subsidiary of TEPCO or a “front” set up by the Govt. of Japan!!-I say this with more concern than sarcasm! I find myself skeptical of even perhaps the most highly respected expert who supports ENE news-Arnie Gunderson!!~His statement that “most” of the radiation was stopped by the Rocky Mountains can’t possibly be true because prior to my own equipment being stolen along with a good portion of my ham radio gear-I was getting very high readings from 3/21 until 4/28 when I was relieved of my gear! Nowadays I trust my “human radiation detector”-my wife!! She developed an “unkown” seizure disorder with syncope that seems to flare up every single time there’s news of another wave of Fuku emissions in the air! I didn’t make the connection that I thought “might” be behind the “unknown” status of her seizures until her Neurologist determined it was due to “hormonal problems probably via thyroid issues”!! My non-smoking,drinking,drugging 19 yr. old daughter suffered a miscarriage of a fetus that was doing fine until the 7 1/2th week when she began to bleed profusely and it was determined that “something” caused the baby’s heart to stop! Cesium perhaps?!!- I don’t really trust any of the generic detection,measuring eqpt. these days anyway after noting the fluctuations & suspect data they display! Even the semi-functional,EPA Radnet with it’s manipulated data shows very high readings in certain areas that high-end commercial units connected to the radiation network map,black cat sytems radmap,etc. are near EPA monitoring stations and yet they show normal CPM’s readings compared to even the former Sadnet’s data?!!(before they shut the down as “under current review)prior to the cessation of further Emergency testing after revelations of the unreliability & state of disrepair attributed mostly to Environmental Dimensions Co.,a former senior Bush administration appointee “reward”contract…


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      • Au Au

        “I don’t really trust any of the generic detection,measuring eqpt. these days anyway after noting the fluctuations & suspect data they display! Even the semi-functional,EPA Radnet with it’s manipulated data shows very high readings in certain areas that high-end commercial units connected to the radiation network map,black cat sytems radmap,etc. are near EPA monitoring stations and yet they show normal CPM’s readings compared to even the former Sadnet’s data?!!”

        Are you saying you are suspect of the GC being sold now? We are all at the mercy that these GCs have been calibrated properly and with integrity. I have thought I should be getting higher readings…


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        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          I dont trust them & I’m building one with help from ham radio buddies who supplied me with a dozen SM-20 tubes which I hope to stack a homebrew counter with six of them in a row and mount them to something with multi-functions such as food,water,soil,whatever my need is at the time and hopefully use the remaining tubes to put a remote sensor in the grill of my vehicle wired to the HUD and incorporate that into a mobile repeater that will be part of my weather station that I’ll connect to the network! A project worthy of my time & effort and something to talk about on the airwaves as well. I’ve also been getting to talk to Japan and Asian stations on the 10 meter ham band via “grey line” HF propogation that allows me to bounce a radio signal off of the layer of ionized radiation that’s usually via the charged ionosphere being to to the current solar cycle “waking up” and signals normally absorbed by the atmospheres D-layer instead bounch back down on the other side of the globe.Even with days of low solar activity I have been making contacts in japan,Korea,Thailand,etc. with less than 5 watts RF output at at times?!!I’m thinking my signal is deflected via Fukushimas artificial radiation belt these days.Not enough space here but look up gray line DX radio propagation for more on that.I’ve got quite a bit to talk about via a local Japanese friend who works in the nuke industry and was one of the US experts sent there last Summer but I can’t say much more publicly about that for obvious reasons.I’m a bit discombobulated lately but I’d like to figure a way to communicate freely including my personal contact info and become more active & contribute to the group without worrying about more “coincidences” that escalated since I began screaming about nuclear crap & govt. deficencies.Maybe a throwawy email account posted tonight where I can give resources to little things such as tips about calibration,rf sensitivity,reviews of current commercial electronic…


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          • Au Au

            Yay! Fisher-Price geiger counters that look like real GCs. I think I will trust burning nostrils and the swollen thyroid sensations even though my GC says things are WNL.
            Good luck to you with your projects. They sound fascinating.


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            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              I’m not gonna say that they’re useless,but radiation sources & “hot” particles have to be very close to the units to detect them and it seems that by then a healthy dose has already been breathed in. The scintillation type detectors are way more sensitive.Also the better of the older analog detectors seem to be better than the stuff with digital readouts & the GM tubes & probes have larger surface areas which would give a more accurate count.Back in early April the jetsream was veering a bit North and then bringing the foul swill down into my neck of the woods and I had a good indicator of what was gonna be blowing into town next by checking the live ustream video of the Driggs Idaho monitor station which hit 100 to 200+CPM and stayed there with every wave of Fuku that skirted the Rockies that were supposed to have soaked it up,but didn’t by my estimation,Chi-Town got it next 18-36 hrs. later & then the east coast after that. I was woken up from my shocked stupor when drinking water in PA,OH,Boston,etc. had amounts of I-131 way above even the EPA’s DIL!!,People listened to me at first and then went right back to their “Thorazine Shuffle” & I was ready to superglue my family’s lips shut in their sleep and feed ‘em thru an IV for the unforseen future!-Looking back on things, I wish I’d of not said anything at all to my grown,know it all kids and just left hints for them to see by “coincidence” and let them come to their own senses-this issue was the last & worst thing they could’ve chosen to be “rebels” about!!There’s too many harmless examples they could’ve chosen to make me feel like an idiot with that wouldn’t have had them running around in the Spring rains,eating qts. of ice cream at a sitting without regard to the packing dates,etc.At least “physically” they’re beyond adolescence & their bodies are mature-I won’t say any more though in case they happen to read this.LOL!


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          • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

            Wow!! That’s impressive, Johnny Blade…


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        cont’d~that netted her hastily formed company a contract worth over 300K annually not including travel expenses & “extra” alottments that add up to well over 300K,and by all indications haven’t held up their end of the taxpayer funded contract. The tiny building shared with a small town Animal hospital couldn’t possibly house the equipment,supplies or even the offices req’d for logistics under normal circumstances,much less an off the scale full-blown nuclear emergency with global implications! The EPA,FDA,NRC,DOE and all the rest here in the USA need to be dismantled,indictments & subpoena’s handed out accordingly and a private,neutral & respectable outfit with proof of its ability to handle it’s assigned task so crucial to public safety ASAP,that is if it already isn’t too late to worry about the accuracy & functionality of radiation testing of all US locations & territories-PERIOD!! ~DTA!!!~


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        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          I’ll post pics & details about the “project” & how it works & also have a link I’ll try to find again later for some other good stuff,including some very easy DIY tricks & mods including adding a data output jack allowing analog meters such as the CDV-700 to allow connection to the PC which allows it compatibility to work with monitoring software programs that have a lot of useful applications with logging & connecting to a network which I’d love to see happen here on ENE news!! I wish the gear I’d liberated from the Navy Destroyers NBC warfare locker I’d had charge of back when Reagan was prez!I’d really thought those memento’s would never be more than good paperweights again after Glastnost!The personal pen-style pocket dosimeters & the charging unit & even the film badge types that were worn around the neck with the dogtags would’ve been a nice thing to have now that’s for sure!Hey btw,does anyone recognize my new avatar?~it’s the unemployed TEPCO mascot “Pluto-san”,shown here getting his 10 yr old friend to drink a glass of liquid Plutonium while he tells him “go ahead & drink it,it won’t hurt you! It’s hardly absorbed by the stomach or intestines at all and it’s completely harmless to people!”-They’ve actually got a 15 minute anime cartoon that I wonder how much they’d pay to erase from existence today?!! The other “star’s “of the TEPCO theme include “Cosmo-san” and “Denko-shen”-a hot little waitress that meets them & takes a trip on the Galaxy999,a crystal train that travels through space making stops at all the isotopes along the way before the kid wakes up & realizes it was a dream,or was it?!LOL! ~NOW I know where Sonada-san got his idea to drink the alleged “PUddle water” in his fake little stunt!!lol!-they started brainwashing their people with crap like this way back in the day!!


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        • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication

          @Johnny Blade

          It seems we do not have a Department of Justice in the U.S. (except the one that prosecutes the common man). Or, perhaps the Executive Branch disallows them to deal with EPA, and the others. They will nevertheless all be held accountable for what they have failed to do. They will not elude bad karma.


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    • Toadmac

      Cheap and unreliable counters… there everywhere these days!Just ask any official from the IAEA or TEPCO. I would like to know more about your results? What model of counter? Also did you start with a test source? What were the results of your lab test samples. It will take a lot more than some reassuring words to convince the crowd here sorry. I would also like to know which cheap unreliable counter’s your referring too? My counter was born in feb 1992 and I believe it to be correct (within 5% gives me what I need to know) as my test sources say so. If its true in what you write, keep up the good work! But, you will need to supply evidence here my friend or the crowd will walk. Sorry it’s a hard crowd to please and no hurt feelings intended friend.
      Peace.


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  • Darth

    The DIRTY BOMB Nightmare

    It seems to me the professor raises a legitimate concern, i.e., a small part of the nuclear fuel may arrange itself to create a small nuclear explosion. An underground 5 KT explosion, for example, could loft the roughly 3,000 tons of unspent highly radioactive nuclear fuel from the six reactors and their spent fuel pools into the atmosphere as so much fine dust. That would be the nightmare the globe would not be able to survive in the longterm.

    Consider that 6 kg (~12 pounds) of nuclear fuel was used in each of the WW II bombs that ravaged Japan with nuclear fallout.

    3,000 tons = 6,000,000 pounds.

    6 million pounds/12 pounds = 500,000 Hiroshima radioactive fallouts – but with a radioactivity coming from mostly non-nuclear fission daughter products. It would be a Dirty Bomb a size any good terrorist would be having wet dreams of detonating.

    In the Fat Man bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki, about 1 kilogram (2.2 lb) of the 6.2 kilograms (14 lb) of plutonium in the pit (about 17%) fissioned. In this process 1 gram (0.035 oz) of matter in the bomb was converted into the active energy of heat and radiation, releasing the energy equivalent of 21 kilotons of TNT. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man


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    • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

      and drfox (if i remember correctly) posted, by reactor, recently:

      Each one of the reactors at Fukushima have 20+ tons of nuclear material. That’s 40,000 lbs per reactor.That is a huge scale up.
      In addition, there is the spent fuel which is highly radio active.
      • Reactor No. 1: 50 tons of spent nuclear fuel
      • Reactor No. 2: 81 tons
      • Reactor No. 3: 88 tons
      • Reactor No. 4: 135 tons
      • Reactor No. 5: 142 tons
      • Reactor No. 6: 151 tons
      • Also, a separate ground-level fuel pool contains 1,097 tons of fuel; and some 70 tons of nuclear materials are kept on the grounds in dry storage.


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    • Darth

      I stand corrected – see following post by LetThemEat…

      Reactors contain 647 tons
      Fuel Pools contain 1097
      Dry Storage 70
      Total 1,814 Tons

      Not the 3,000 tons I had assumed.


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      • Jebus Jebus

        Whats a few tons of poisonous fuel rods among friends?

        1,814 Tons
        3,000 tons

        I don’t see a whole lot of difference in these figures, when 10 tons of burning highly enriched uranium fuel rods are enough to wipe out the planet 10 times over, give or take a few fuel rods…


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        • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

          The http://www.aristatek.com/Newsletter/AUG09/AUG09ts.aspx site I came across examines the Algeciras, Spain incident in 1998 (something that was burned in an oven within a 2 hour period). Interesting for much other analysis too but it says:

          “LLNL scientists results confirmed that the Spanish government estimate of a release between 8 to 80 curies of Cesium 137 .. with a 50 curie release best fitting the monitoring data. It was estimated to be about 1 gram of Cesium 137 released.”

          That made Switzerland spike up to 1000 times their normal background sometime within May 29 to June 9 when they reported the then unknown source causing this. France and Italy confirmed.

          Totally if 1 gram does that…


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        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          Hi Jebus, Now I’m thinking of an old Black Sabbath tune~Children of the Grave~!!!-might be better going out by the “Hand of Doom” than this foul crap


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      • Sickputer

        No problem…I like common comparisons people can wrap their heads around.

        So it’s 300,000 Hiroshimas and C. Busby estimated 72,000 Hiroshimas had already been set off in the air and the ocean. So we still have the potential for the nuclear industry thermonuclear war that will imprint a strong impact on the human population of planet earth.

        Don’t plan your funeral just yet…It’s a dumb bomb and that means it is blowing up in one spot instead of focused missiles hitting strategic population centers in a human war. So Japan will be pulverized, Hawaii, Korea, and eastern Asia. Canada and the west US will be in trouble and well….you can guess the rest…distance will help, but there will be nowhere to hide.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      Darth,Thank you for that insightful response! I have several reasons for asking since I have a true “need to know” relative to my plans,courses of actions and adjustments needing to be made. Certain necessary actions included in the various plans I have require a true asessment of reality so I can move forward & assure success of the parts I am not yet prepared for,but have detailed options that allow me to get around the obstacles that a still civilized society present to said plan of action. Since I have others counting on me to take care of them and still have the kind of heart that would not allow me to abandon most people FEMA would label “Zombies” that I’d encounter along the way-then I’d have to put them to work and earn their keep if I follow my heart and share my family & groups resources in a really bad situation following mass panic,chaos & a run on all the stores & food sources which I’ve also got worked out to a good degree. I already expect failures & unknown obstructions & issues to arise and took that into consideration and even without having anywhere near what survival and protecting loved ones and my plans that’s allow me to catch up & then some have all been thoroughly checked out & verified.It’s just too much too list here and my idea of a BUGout kit is much,much different than most people who forget some simple things that are so crucial,but again I’m gonna stop here although I’d share my ideas in a more private setting as I get a better perspective of who I divulge things to.It’s always “the little things” left out of planning that bite ya in the ass later!lol. TTYL


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  • Nukeholio

    That translation was radioactive to my mind!


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  • Grace Grace

    from the iaea facebook page in a convo…
    QUOTE
    “Elliot Greene – Great news. But What are the concentrations of the xenon-133 and xenon-135 gases. Also the Cu-242 and Cu-244. Still need a long term report added to this situation. Add the concentration in ions to the report. I don’t know if I am making sense.”
    UNQUOTE

    seems important…..

    post the link to the page inna sec


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  • Grace Grace

    feck fbshiiite
    close as I could get

    http://www.facebook.com/iaeaorg

    first convo scroll down, I don’t think he meant the shit hitting said fan as great news btw

    love you guys, great link about iaea – forwarded :) bees busy bees


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  • Grace Grace

    WAIT WHOOPIE -

    Quote
    Doug Sirkka ‎@Catherine – I was referring to the mistake inside the article where they reference the curium isotopes using the symbol for copper instead of Cm. but thanks for the corium definition.
    UNQUOTE

    ask about the CURIUM.

    Theres feckin hideous disinfo in the iaea report,
    post link inna sec, yet the one on the fb page


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  • Grace Grace

    http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2011/fukushimareport01.html

    fits in nicely with the theme of corruption really, same drink, different shaped bottle


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  • Grace Grace

    What are the concentrations of the xenon-133 and xenon-135 gases. Also the Cm-242 and Cm-244. Still need a long term report added to this situation. Add the concentration in ions to the report.

    This seems important, I could have been shilled on facebook, yet idk


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  • Grace Grace

    Curium-242 Cm-244 Xe-133 Xe135 – concentrations?

    could this be indicative of outcome?


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    • SnorkY2K

      No. Even a light film of curium can sustain a chain reaction. But, the differing gas isotopes are noble gases and good indicators because they don’t react chemically to surroundings.


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  • Novamind

    The first explosion will create chain reactions of different timing.


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  • SteveS

    Johnny Blade says:

    I am wondering why it was described as having the potential of being a “mini atom bomb”? Have any of the good folks here done the math with consideration given to the huge amount of fuel in Fukushima compared to that of Chernobyl? If the fears that Chernobyl could create a “huge” explosion that would’ve destroyed a city 320 km away-then why is the explosive potential of Fukushima which is so much closer to the water table considered “mini a-bomb potential”?

    A long time ago, I read somewhere that an explosion at Chernobyl, if it had happened, would have had a yield equivalent of a five-megaton nuclear weapon – too small, in any case, to take out another city located 320km away. The fear that the authorities who sought to contain the meltdown at Chernobyl had was that the fallout from such an explosion would have rendered most of Europe totally uninhabitable.


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  • SteveS

    If there is an explosion at Fukushima, I fear it’s likely to be powerful enough to take out a fair chunk of Fukushima prefecture and the adjacent coastline. But the bigger problem for Japan, and the world, is the fallout such an explosion would generate. It could conceivably severely contaminate all of Japan, and blanket neighbouring areas with substantial fallout, resulting in a humanitarian and potentially global crisis of historically unprecedented proportions.

    What I still do not understand is why TEPCO haven’t enlisted outside help (i.e. assistance from Russian and American nuclear experts) to get a handle on this thing. I pray it’s not too late for that to happen.


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  • My readings indicate we are not in Time and Space as we understand it.


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  • Just a reminder to all: YOU ARE BEING RADIATED (right now):

    Fukushima Now Radiating Everyone: ‘Unspeakable’ Reality ‘Will Impact All Of Humanity’
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=DcOol3KJscc

    Lucky me, I’ve got Hanford just south on top of it all.

    Is that figure of 72,000 Hiroshima bombs for real?

    (I think it’s even more, because that only includes the spent fuel pools and not the reactors).


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    • or, rather, irradiated.

      Attacked from inside and out by man-made stupid-particles.

      Does anyone get the feeling that even though a whole planet could be filled with absolutely brilliant and smart people, they can all end up killing themselves through lack of collective wisdom?

      That is, it’s not enough to be smart, you have to be wise.


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  • Tried posting this to HP, too long, so here it goes:

    Yes, we know all those anti-nuke types are all crazy, but consider this (trying to be a realist here):

    There are indeed now 6 reactors in trouble, with 3 in melthru, worse than meltdown.

    Releases to date, according the Christopher Busby amount to 72,000 Hiroshima bombs (no misprint).

    The corium is out of control and prominent scientists are now warning of huge nuclear explosions to come. Mankind has no solution. Sickness and symptoms are all over Tokyo. That will go on for billions of years because the half-life or uranium is 4.3 billion years (about the time left for this earth).

    Effects are being measured on the West Coast from air filters with statistical evidence of infant mortality increases. About 5 million people ‘were affected’ by Chernobyl with about a million deaths so far. Genetic abnormalities will continue for many generations. Effects of DU from dust that now blows all over Europe has been documented. Some fields in England are unusable. High readings for the Cascades and Rockies with hot particles in Seattle.

    Add in the most contaminated site in N America (Hanford) and the aeorosolization of the 800 sites around Los Alamos, 75% of nuke plants that leak tritium, pacific fish contamination, impending arrival of nuke debris from Japan on the West Coast, bioaccumulation and biomagnification, could it be that we might be in a bit of a fix?

    If the explosions happen, we’re looking at increasing cancers and many other diseases (radiation causes every ailment in the book), as is happening already in Japan – mainly the nosebleed-diarrhea combination in Tokyo, but the Emperor himself looks to be succombing.

    It’s now radiating everyone – no doubt (entire planet):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=DcOol3KJscc

    Explosions to come:
    http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/fukushima/fukushima-wie-mini-atombombe-20843412.bild.html

    Someone correct me on any of the ‘fact’s…


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  • dpl dpl

    The tipping point will happen when the “small explosion” tips SFP #4 over and cooling is kaput for reactors #5,#6 and common SFP. No workers with time left on their total dose rad meter can fix it. This nuclear waste site will be abandoned and sayanara time for most of Japan. Oh yeah and were fucked too.


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