Published: July 31st, 2012 at 7:05 am ET
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Follow-up to: Ambassador Murata writes to UN Secretary General: "It is no exaggeration to say that the fate of Japan and the whole world depends on No. 4 reactor" -- Appeals for independent assessment team
Title: Japanese government strengthening international cooperation in nuclear decommissioning
Source: The Denki Shimbun (The Electric Daily News)
Date: July 31, 2012
The Japanese government will strengthen cooperation with other countries to effectively develop and carry out strategies for nuclear safety, decommissioning and decontamination. It will set up a bilateral commission with each of the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom and other countries
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The Japanese government hopes that this will facilitate smooth operation of the decommissioning of the Fukushima I nuclear power station
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The Japanese government [...] convened the first commission meeting with the U.S. on July 24 in Tokyo.
The commission meeting with the U.S. was attended by officials from several Japanese governmental departments including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry. Participants from the U.S. included officials from the Department of Energy, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Department of Defense. The participants exchanged their views on a wide range of themes such as the independence of regulatory systems, decommissioning and decontamination of Fukushima I, research and development, nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear security (measures against nuclear terrorism).
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How about this for a headline. Governments of the world tell the truth and protect their citizens.
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The Art of Deception: The Cult of Nuclearists, Uranium Weapons and Fraudulent Science; via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/primer-in-art-of-deception-cult-of.html
IAEA, WHO, NRC And Others; A Web Of Deception? via A Green Road
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/iaea-who-and-others-web-of-deception.html
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So, the US and UK get to officially become part of the lie.
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not me mush!
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"Participants from the U.S. included officials from the Department of Energy, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Department of Defense".
The DOE, NRC, DOD..that's cooperation with the US alright.
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The meeting in Tokyo..huh?
I hope they were all inhaling deeply.
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@Heart of the Rose
July 31, 2012 at 7:35 am
And eating octopussys like famished blue fin tuna fressers.
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!!…lol
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I'm glad that this is finally happening, because TEPCO is clearly in over its head. But the fact that the first such meeting only occurred more than a year and a half after this mess began is pathetic. Serious international cooperation should have been occurring all along (since the entire hemisphere–at least–is being affected by Fuku's ongoing emissions). Let's just hope it's not too little too late.
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DOE. Remember Macondo. DOD. Remember Iraq and Afganistan. NRC. Remember salt water on the reactors. Now we will really have a circus.
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…the participants exchanged views on …
… giving cancer to the whole world … really!
… on being toothless toadies to big nuclear super-sized slush funds!
… on creating malformed, horrible lab specimens out of what once might have been beautiful children and babies!!
Take that Dr. Mengele!! We Americans really know how to experiment on live children … we do it in utero, with sterile, invisible charged particles and high electron energies …
So uniquely American. So proud. So free. We're at liberty to destroy life on Earth!! That silly old Adolf Hitler's got nuttin' on us!!
We're famous professors from famous places like Harvard and MIT, and we keep quiet when our colleagues molest small children, or experiment on whole populations with ionizing radiation …
Because we've got projects which need funding, and all the money comes from rich white guy crooks, who bully the dissenters and cover their tracks, and lock up the truth and honesty in private safes behind their desks, until this "all blows over" and we can set to work again … screwing the kids, with our radioactive inventions, stiff hard machines that bequeath leukemia and birth defects, and take the place of our limp morals, and non-existant sexual organs …. we've got this nuclear … who needs a penis anymore!!!
peace …
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cough, World domination was a Nazi thing but now American.
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The USA has given birth to genetically designed human babies, so yeah, you don't need your penis anymore.
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nedli, I read your comment and then read the piece linked below in another browser tab. The juxtaposition really rocked me. Warning: extremely graphic (non-penile) images.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rebeccaelliott/horror-hospital-the-most-shocking-photos-and-test
I hope people see why I think that link is on-topic. All these themes interconnect but to me the Denki Shimbun story is complete fluff, perhaps intended to placate the Tokyo protesters with "something is being done" or "the Americans will save us".
I've always thought conspiracy theorists were wrong – of late I've come to think they are wrong because they massively underestimate the scope of the problems.
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@aigeezer: wanted to thank you for bringing this to our (my) attention. Your outrage is well received and justified.
The 'element' that has infiltrated our nation's government has fundamentally destroyed the United States of America. For our own individual security, we stood by and allowed these creeps to insinuate themselves into every area of our lives. Doubtless, a final reckoning is at hand for us all…
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Ya, Now I'm so proud to be an americancer, I just wanna puke…
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Dear Aigeezer,
Thank you for sharing this difficult and important news. I'm going to have some trouble getting to sleep after trying to grasp this. My inconceivable meter needs recalibrating again!
How brave of you to post this. Thank you again ENENews for this wonderful forum. How incredibly brave for those reporting these horrible occurrences …they've chosen to complicate their already complex lives to stand for truth, honor and human dignity.
I am so humbled.
What a complicated and awful predicament. My heart absolutely aches.
Aloha.
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@nedlifromvermont
July 31, 2012 at 9:11 am
They have to be infinitely worse than AH, the false swine. What for in the end I dunno.
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The rate were are going it's going to fall off.
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Part of me wants to say "yay, finally", but this is too little, too late. All they will do now is figure out ways to hide the massive amount of radiation from the world, and keep the people in the dark about the dangers. Too bad Arnie & Helen are not part of this group. They seem to be the champions of the people, when it comes to truth.
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re: "All they will do now is figure out ways to hide the massive amount of radiation from the world"
They are all already masters at that. They've already been doing that for over a year now.
BUT if this international cooperation might lead to the fuel being removed more efficiently (and/or more safely) from the #4 SFP–THAT would be a wonderful thing. TEPCO clearly has no sense of urgency regarding that procedure. Perhaps the pressure from the non-NRC people who have been calling attention to what a fire there would mean for the rest of the hemisphere has played some role in finally prodding other nations to take a more active role in helping Japan deal with that threat.
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True, the danger has been hidden since the beginning. The entire industry is a sham of lies and deceit. It's only because of the internet and social media, that more people are waking up. Without that, the world would still believe everything is okay in Japan, and move along. Just got a 2nd rad monitor, because it bothers me that EPA beta readings for Portland have been "0" since 7/15/2011. My daughter is up there, so she gets one, along with IOSAT dated to 2018. They were $6 and if they become outdated…it will be a good day to throw them away!
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I agree StopGo. This working together might make for more effective solutions to try and reduce this crisis a little. I think the nuke industry really does want to do something right here. If they can't, their whole industry possibly goes under. And, Americans are notorious for leaking information, so maybe we will all get a little better idea of what is going on. I think it can only get worse without the cooperation. Worse for TEPCO, for the nuke industry, and for all the rest of us.
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Dear VicFromOregon,
I agree with you, but only if the folks here keep 'hot on the trail'! What we learn in Japan needs to be applied worldwide. No more nukes, save the children, salvage the planet.
Tell us the rotten truths so we can make our best decisions.
Time to 'fess up people'. We will not let up.
Aloha.
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Then, they discussed how to keep the Public Relations media spin in place and what to 'say' when the next major explosion occurs.
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There's "no plant" to decommission. It's a melted glowing blob.
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BS! they want to restart unit 5 and 6 soon and all Daini units
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"The Japanese government hopes that this will facilitate smooth operation of the decommissioning of the Fukushima I nuclear power station."
Love the use of the word SMOOTH…
Mother Nature violently knocked it out of commission and now these criminal elite want a SMOOTH de-commissioning.
It will be SMOOTH alright – a slow poisoning of the planet for 300 years.
The joke of words is that they will never decommission these plants – they will just sit there and fester.
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If it is like any other conspiracy to coverup (what happened at Fukushima), committees will collect all the pertinent information then bury it.
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Too little too late
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The US comes in to assist.
Now..now.. we are talking about a final debacle for Japan.
The "Infinite Debacle"….
DOD..DOE..will soon be controlling the fate of Japan.
NRC..the snivelling lairs..standing and nodding in the background.
As if.. the US hasn't always been there.
Smooth decommissioning?
BS.
Positions set… hubris abounds..and the conditions have worsened..calling for more open operations.
The US coming to the rescue.
All is in readiness..those with the shiny medals in the Pentagon ready for protection and defense…
The US is coming..so proud.. to be in possession of the "Fukushima Dirty Bomb".
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@Heart of the Rose: "DOD..DOE..will soon be controlling the fate of Japan." which begs the question, whose dime will be paying for this 'assistance'? If it's not an international agency (such as the IAEA), who's paying for it? Of course most will knee-jerk answer that 'someone' must pay for it. But on whose terms? The NRC? The DOE? The DOD? Why are American agencies (subsidized by you know who) obligated to expend resources to tend to another nation's problems? Again, the knee-jerks will respond that if 'we' don't pay for this now, then the bill will become that much greater down the road.
Problem is, as there are no conditions being imposed on this foreign aid, problems like this will simply continue to repeat themselves…down the road! So, what Senator Wyden couldn't get in the way of public support, they eventually secure in the form of nebulous foreign aid! No conditions. No obligations. No problem…
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@ Aftershock.. The US is also going to pay with lives.
There are approximately 40,000 troops in Japan…and reports that a good portion of the Navy fleet is being transferred to this area.
Is TPTB..the military-industrial complex.. going to tell the troops.. they are guarding ..a radiation death pit?
No..no…they are not.
Feb.25 2012
Evacuate Tokyo and All US Forces From Japan
Tokyo Radiation Level 25 Times the Fukushima Mandatory Evacuation Zone
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/25/evacuate-tokyo-and-all-us-forces-from-japan/
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PS..It can not be said that..Heart of the Rose..held any bad feelings about the military.
I've tried to make my voice heard..in an effort to get them to save themselves from themselves.
It didn't have to go down this way.
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AFTERSHOCK… lots of bad news today, it seems. Maybe this one is just a coincidence:
"The Marine Corps has created its first law enforcement battalions…
The battalions will be capable of helping control civil disturbances, handling detainees, carrying out forensic work, and using biometrics to identify suspects… assist local authorities in allied countries".
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2012/07/ap-marines-law-enforcement-battalion-072312/
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Partner in crime coming to the rescue , all will be good now. Pick up where you stopped smiling .
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So members of the US mafia met with head members of the Japan mafia to discuss how to cover up and conceal the threat and clear and present danger of nuclear power, so they can continue to proliferate and domineer militarily without competition. Good to know.
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I'm not convinced this story is even true. If the US is meeting to "conference", so what?
I don't believe a word about this anymore.
The only thing I believe is that the world is being poisoned and nobody wants to hold blame, be held accountable or fix it.
….not that it can be fixed at this point…
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Reminds me of the 12 Monkeys where Brad Pitt's scientist dad tell his evil assistant to beef up security.
Somehow I think we have struck a nerve in Barack's inner circle with our recent chi-chat about the potential smokin' gun Mutt might unleash (if he wasn't already beholden to the nucleocrats).
Barack's no dummy…saved his family and 100 friends and families from the big monster first week plume when they all jetted down to Rio just a tad bit ahead of schedule (and more importantly the nasty cloud that whacked the rest of us).
Time to begin some pre-debate smokescreen activities. After November the winner will behave just like always…no room at the inn for Radioactive Mary.
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The engineers that will be trying to solve the unsolvable are not the crooks and liars and cheaters many of you refer to, yet, they are lumped all together into some small, intimate cabal of jackals. It is upon the nuclear industry that we all depend to find any way possible to fix some of this mess. Who else is going to do it?
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@VicFromOregon: "It is upon the nuclear industry that we all depend to find any way possible to fix some of this mess." From the timestamp on your post, it's obvious you haven't had your coffee. Otherwise, are you actually suggesting that the people who got us here will be the ones who'll deliver us?
You honestly think these people have any grasp of the repercussions of their craft? They've spent the last sixty-plus years in abject denial of their actions. Introspection has no place in their play book. One-or-two of these 'geniuses' may break ranks and exhibit some semblance of humanity, but the majority simply intellectualize their actions. They care nothing for those who are affected by the actions or the damage done to environment. They are careless and carefree. They are a murderous cabal who'll look you in the face and dare you to stop them. They are the glue that holds a global complex of tyranny together.
Watch a GE promo for MRI technology and you may understand that there's no limit to their criminal machinations. Balding children being guided by the smiling technician should leave no doubt who – and what – these 'people' are about…
One bit of reassuring news for all: for all their 'wisdom', these 'people' will not be going to the stars…
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Vic's point has merit, at least in the chilling sense that we are all hostage to the nuke industry – forever. The nuke industry is (among other things) the ultimate protection racket, as only they can save us from their technology. In addition, they're working hard to convince us that their technology is a "must-have" through false base-load/green/cost-effective arguments. Throw in the nuke weapon cycle and the t-word bugaboo and the industry has society completely over a barrel.
We are all complicit in some odd sense, knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly, even if we pay taxes only through coercion we still inadvertently help build the monster. I don't feel guilt about that kind of coerced participation, as many people do, but I do see the need for change.
Anyway, in the short term I'll be as glad as anyone if some faceless engineer/researcher/hero finds a magic bullet to fix the present crisis. I tend to focus on broken systems rather than individual behaviors but – ants and anthill – both must change.
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@aigeezer: nice response! Can't differ with a word. My only dispute with Vic (who I respect very much) is with the inference that our lives are in their hands. It is because we've long acquiesced to these 'people', that our lives are – now – out of our hands!
For all of my previous points and those you've accurately touched upon, I object to further compliance with these 'people'. To date, they've shown little initiative in (openly) addressing this catastrophe. At what point will humanity grow a pair and shove these incompetents out of the way? Do we blithely wait until the aircraft impacts into the earth, before we take any action ourselves?
There are others (who are unaffiliated with the nuclear power industry) that are perfectly capable of taking control of the situation. The pro-nuke crowd will have us believe that they're the only ones capable of addressing the complexities of this (and other) ongoing tragedy. Can you imagine any-other response from those long accustomed to hiding the truth? In fact, I'll bet anything that there are those within the ranks of this deadly industry who would unreservedly agree with my take. They've seen first hand the results of endless coverups and incompetence.
Perhaps we should wait until the nosecone is buckling under crushing-impact of the mountain, before inquiring if the pilot's still on board?
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I get it, AFTERSHOCK. Re your pilot metaphor, it's possible that there is no pilot – that everything is running on a defective autopilot, put in place over the years bit by bit until nobody knows how to control it. I'm mangling the metaphor, but my notion is the cumulative effects of all this stuff. Individual players come and go but their legacy builds and builds. Each new player fits into the existing systems and tweaks them a bit for their own purposes. Eventually the whole mess becomes unworkable, which I think is where we are now.
I fear that a "new pilot" model may not be viable. I base that in part on the FOIA revelation that the NRC members were grumbling that the manuals for the reactors covered every point except what to do in the case of failure, and it was obvious that the NRC members were hopelessly out of their depth if it wasn't in the manual. Yikes!
Anyway, I fear there are no people who could take control of the situation in a literal "stop the meltdowns" sense. In a more generic "let's fix the systems" sense, I'm more optimistic. I'm extremely wary of exchanging one inept pilot for another though and redesigning the plane in mid-death-spiral is certainly daunting.
This e-medium isn't very good for expressing nuance – I imagine you, Vic and I are in agreement more than our posts might express. Heckuva fix we're all in!
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@aigeezer: I agree, these issues are beyond the simple resolution. Sitting on the sidelines makes for much anxiety.
I know they're not talking last night's game, by the water cooler. Knowing the realities that escape the great unwashed, I'm sure they're in as much a panic as we are.
My main reservation is with their apparent buck-passing over this last year. From day one, they should've taken the high-ground and kicked asses. The fact that they haven't (as far as I know) leaves me to wondering if the pilot's even on board.
Recall the Italian cruise ship that found itself sinking off the shore a couple of years ago? When the passengers were finally rescued, it was discovered that the captain and crew had already abandoned the ship! Scary what can happen with unverified trust in a system…
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AFTERSHOCK, i deeply respect you, too, and always look forwarding to reading your posts because they help me think. I am referring to the engineers, not the leadership. While few bloggers here make the distinction, there are many nuclear engineers, physicians, political leaders that are in quiet rebellion against the nuclear industry. Sometimes we can read the actions of a few on this website, itself, when they finally get noticed by the MSM or are in a position to take a public stand. The tendency here by bloggers on this website to make all people in an industry into evildoers runs the very real error of not knowing who to trust and who to marginally trust, and that margin, however tiny, CAN make a difference between life and death. We cannot find a way through this to our better thinking, to our personal brilliance or strength or action plan by staying riveted in fear and anger. It will consume the energy needed to do the real work – how to find people who can help and work with them though we may wish not to do so, for the sake of the planet. That, imho, is the real challenge. Not deepening my anger, which is also very hard to do. I have plenty more of that than i know what to do with already.
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@VicFromOregon: thank you for the well considered response. I agree with your point that we must not be "…riveted in fear and anger." I also agree that we must welcome all who are willing to eschew the dark side. (I spoke to this very thing a year ago.)
Much respect and keep up the good fight…
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Precisely. Far better said than by myself, aigeezer.
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Yes, i do, and that's what makes this so scary, isn't it and why we are all scared sh–less, isn't it? We don't know how to fix it. The people who made this mess barely have a clue. You think some non-nuclear engineers are going to step up and figure it out?
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Vic: aplus the coverup!
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@VicFromOregon: "You think some non-nuclear engineers are going to step up and figure it out?" Actually…I think there are plenty of people, throughout the planet, that are capable of workable solutions.
I'll do you one better: wouldn't this problem be better addressed by those who have no interest in protecting themselves from public scrutiny? This question, after all, is why there's been no action on the part of the nuclear power industry?
You may have gathered by now, some idiot of a policy wonk decided that inaction was their best course of action! They were hoping for a 'Corexit' solution. Problem is, the byproduct of this neglect has far outstripped their ability to suppress the headlines.
As we go forward in the following years and decades, it'll become evident that the alphabet agencies were completely out of their depth. I'm about cutting to the quick; especially when time's of the essence. I don't think we can afford any further delay in getting outside (impartial) analysis on the scene.
Lincoln delayed in firing the incompetent generals at the outset of the "War of Aggression". What was initially thought to last for only a year or two turned into a major nightmare for the federalists. It was only when he started firing these incompetents and assigning 'unknowns' that the campaign turned in his favor…
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@aigeezer, i completely agree with you and with Aftershock. It is stepping outside the old paradigms and finding cooperative solutions from everyone. And, i thank you both for such thoughtful and clear dialogue with me on this. I accept magic and synergetic events as a normal part of my day. I also understand the so-called real world, the tortured one being torn apart by so many dispirit desires, nearly all of them from a paradigm of scarcity. I think that abundance is the solution here, and heart, and brilliance, and new ways of doing things, too. I'd even settle for a B Rated Movie plot from Hollywood if it would enlighten enough people into action. I think that you are so right – this can be one of those crisis that can teach us a lot and become a chance for us to transcend a destructive pattern.
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@aftershock, we're mixing apples and oranges. Of course it would be better for outside impartial analysis. You are way correct. It is sorely lacking. I am not referring to the leadership. They are incapable and irrelevant to the solution we need. They are best ignored and given little attention as they have nothing of value to bring to the world any longer. Their chance to do what was right has long ago passed. I refer, instead, to the scientists and nerds, and technicians and engineers around the world who CAN and MUST do something to help. We don't, i agree with you, have much time, especially not to all go back to school and learn nuclear physics and engineering. We must address these persons, convince them to work with us, dialogue with them, share ideas, find any common ground and form connections. Yes, the Civil War in America was a bloody fiasco and a lot of misguided people stood in line to die for it. In many respects, it is still going on, but more as a Cold War in the halls of a gridlocked Congress. Let's change the generals! Where can we find them? How can we support them? Please write what you envision. I will check back. Thx.
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@VicFromOregon: "Let's change the generals! Where can we find them? How can we support them?" As you've alluded to, already, they're available from the existing ranks. But if you're interested in effective change, you'd have to allow them the freedom to carry-out their ideas. As the alphabets are tightly controlled by overseers, it's not likely we'll see autonomous decision making. So, it would appear that we're deadlocked.
I've got to run and put out some fires on my end…
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@AFTERSHOCK, so if they are there, then we just need a convergence to roll over the deadlock. I think that the protesters from the Hydrangea Revolution and the Fukushima protesters are clearly becoming the energy base and catalyst for change. This movement and our resistance ain't over by a long shot. Read you on another page!
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Yes Vic, and thank you. I think we are all still hoping – perhaps not consciously – for a Hollywood fix and it is terrifying to realize such a fix is unlikely to happen. If we can somehow recover from this perfect storm of catastrophe (nuclear, financial, geopolitical, whatever) then we might make a huge leap as a species. I don't mean to give this a new-age spin – I'm thinking that if we can somehow recover without resorting to a deus ex machina Hollywood script – if, through individual actions, we can somehow fix this stuff… then… wowsers. No more "leaders" for me, thanks – I can lead myself without your help. (Whoopie, where are you?)
No mixed message intended, just a genuine hope that we (everyone) could (must) work this stuff out in some new way, perhaps starting here at Enenews. If not, then the cockroaches will get their turn at the planet, and that's OK too from a big picture perspective. Mortality sucks.
From my teaching days, long ago and far away:
1. Define the problem.
2. Propose a solution.
3. Evaluate the solution and adjust appropriately.
4. Implement the (optimized) solution.
5. Evaluate the effects and go to step 1.
Sigh. Life is so simple. Life is so complicated.
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@ aigeezer. Looks like most folks are still on number 1. Franz Kafka might say that the cockroaches are already getting their turn – we just don't know that we're cockroaches. Mortality sucks, is sooo true. Good thing it's only temporary. You are, indeed, the true anarchist – self responsible, self governing and answerable to the collective. Not New Agey at all – they just co-opted the basic notion of species transcendence. We are either very close to that or very screwed. Btw, you're still a teacher
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Thanks, Vic. Number 1 is very hard to do, and people usually get hung up on a symptom rather than the underlying problem. My list is the introductory version – the real-world version needs quite a bit more detail, such as a feedback loop to compare competing solution candidates. The teacher in me was hoping a bunch of people would jump in to say "you forgot (some feature)" – they always did that in a lecture theater and before long they were problem-solving their foolish teacher's inadequate list. Hehe – teachers' tricks.
Kafka – exactly the right icon for our situation. I really value these little sanity breaks that come up here at Enenews. I can go back into the world of msm, meltdowns and Olympic results with a little smile now. Oops, my eye just caught the Geiger counter sitting on my desk and the smile faded.
Now I'm smiling at the thought of some politician trying the slogan "We are all Gregor Samsa now".
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@aigeezer: I do so enjoy you guys! BTW. If you haven't had the pleasure, get hold of a copy of Marat/Sade. I just finished watching it the other night. My first introduction was back in the eighties (VHS). Current DVD medium is not much different; lots of video noise. Yet, it's an awesome exploration of the human condition and state-sponsored repression…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marat/Sade_%28film%29
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060668/
author bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Weiss
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@aigeezer. Me, too, on the ad hoc problem solving. I have a thought on tat so i'll think about it more and catch you on another thread.
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Why did they wait a whole year to respond?
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Nuclear failed. And citizens of the world don't want it. Far less than 1% of the world population is in nuclear industries. So. it'll be easy to relocate them into other occupations. Let's get on this. Now.
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Whats interesting to me is that this gets reported in a trade magazine not regular news. Whatever is going on regarding Fukushima is important enough for the Department of Energy, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Department of Defense, to send reps but not important enough for mainstream media to mention it. Sounds like a bad James Bond movie when you have the USA Department of Energy, USA Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the USA Department of Defense meeting with the Japanese Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry.
Oh to be a fly on the wall!
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