NHK: “Alarming Readings” — TEPCO asking Japan gov’t for help because a “different substance” may have been detected, in addition to xenon (VIDEO)

Published: November 2nd, 2011 at 12:30 pm ET
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(UPDATE: It appears the different substance is Krypton-85. See: Krypton-85 up over 14,000% in one day at Reactor No. 2 -- Kr-85 used to detect "plutonium separations")

TEPCO: Reactor may have gone critical, NHK, November 2, 2011:

Transcript Excerpts

At 0:00 in

  • Workers at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility are picking up some alarming readings
  • Nuclear fission may have occurred continuously

At 1:10 in

  • TEPCO is asking JAEA to rexamine situation because it might have detected a different substance that has similar characteristics to xenon.

Watch the video here.

SOURCE: NHK

NHK’s article — which usually is a virtual transcript of the video segment — contained none of the information about the ‘different substance’. However, it did report:

[Emphasis Added]

  • TEPCO “says it found in the facility’s No.2 reactor radioactive substances that could have resulted from continuous nuclear fission.” (TEPCO had previously stated that no “sustained” fission reaction took place)
  • TEPCO “said on Wednesday that it detected xenon-133 and xenon-135 in gas taken from the reactor’s containment vessel on the previous day. The substances were reportedly in concentrations of 6 to more than 10 parts per million becquerels per cubic centimeter.”
  • “Xenon-135 was also detected in gas samples collected on Wednesday.”
  • “TEPCO says the findings suggest that nuclear fission may have occurred recently”
  • “A state of criticality could have occurred temporarily in some areas.”
  • The utility also says it wants to take a close look at the situation of the plant’s No.1 and 3 reactors.”

The NHK report was published Nov. 2 at 20:37 +0900 (JST)

Published: November 2nd, 2011 at 12:30 pm ET
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91 comments to NHK: “Alarming Readings” — TEPCO asking Japan gov’t for help because a “different substance” may have been detected, in addition to xenon (VIDEO)

  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    It’s something we all suspected to happen, but it’s still a different story to see it in writing.


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  • Bleifrei Bleifrei

    pneumonia at aiko?
    They played outside for too long?
    tenno now makes the pressure?


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  • Cindy

    I think it’s been happening all along, this is why Japan is finding more and more radiation in places that have already been checked …

    Perhaps its not only from the burning of radioactive debris, also the fact that I-131 has also been recently found …

    I think TEPCO and the Japanese government are unable to handle this accident .. it is affecting the whole planet , more and more … they aren’t checking the situation often enough, measuring gasses, radiation and just doing their job…
    Had they been on top of all available information from the beginning , perhaps instead of trying so hard to cover up and deny this , we may have been better under control now …


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    • Finch Finch

      Dear Cindy! You are absolutely right with what you are thinking. Nevertheless: ( I am translating a post from an Austrian blog): “on March 27 in the water of reactor 2 there was measured I-234 and after an outcry from the media it was declared that it was a measurment-mistake. The decay time of I-234 is extremely short. The possibility that the dominant isotope that was measured with such a mistake, comes close zero.Measuring the same water later would show, there is no I-234 in after some short time.
      Link:http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110327-1-5.pdf
      This data are not cleared up satisfyingly and they should lead to futher questions what is going on.


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      • Finch Finch

        I have just read the files of NISA. Actually it seems, they stopped the readings of the water on that day ( link above). Could it be they just started measuring again? Anybody has a clue? Could it be that the nuclear fission never stopped? All they are stating that they put the control rods inside the RPV for emergency shutdown. But there is no proof at all that this really happened.
        Our problem is that we do not understand exponential curves. An earthquake level 9 is undescribable and ruins almost everything.Rattling and rolling RPV, and you tell me, the thin control rods slided in as it was planned (Wishful thinking..)? I still do not believe that.For me, at least in one NPP in Fuku, there never was an emergency shut down.Where should all the data come from?


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        • Finch Finch

          I remember the board reading the data from European scientists pretty critical.
          But may I remeber: gases cannot be stopped at all and they show the actual damage done already in March and April:
          Regarding the noble gas 133Xe, it is very likely that the accumulated inventory of the reactor units 1–3 was completely set free into the atmosphere between 11 and 15
          March. The study indicates a total release of 16.7 (uncertainty range 13.4–20.0) EBq,which is the largest radioactive noble gas release in history not related to nuclear bomb
          testing. The release is a factor of 2.5 higher than the Chernobyl 133Xe source term.
          (…) There is also strong evidence that the start of the release occurred early, already during
          or shortly after the automatic emergency shutdown of the reactors triggered by the
          big earthquake. This early onset of emissions is interesting and may indicate some
          structural damage to the reactor units during the earthquake.
          http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/11/28319/2011/acpd-11-28319-2011.pdf


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    • Japan said they won’t check plutonium levels anymore either and that has been months ago. Japan said that it is only normal for plutonium to be present and not to worry. real bullshit huh!!

      Steve at http://Www.KansasCityComputers.Com


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  • lam335 lam335

    What is the significance of the the emphasis on “continuous nuclear fission” in this phrase “substances that could have resulted from continuous nuclear fission”? Does that mean a “sustained” reaction? I think I remember people saying that, when it is a blob, it can start up fission, but it can’t generally sustain it very long . . . is that correct? Does that mean some of it might still be in rod forms? Does any body have any idea what sort of substances they might be talking about, which seem to require “continuous nuclear fission” to be created?

    “TEPCO says the reactor’s cooling process is continuing … But the utility also says it wants to take a close look at the situation of the plant’s No.1 and 3 reactors.”

    This last statement seems to foreshadow some kind of (bad) future revelation.


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    • ENENEWS Staff

      Good question

      TEPCO had previously denied there being a “sustained” reaction: “There’s been no large-scale or sustained criticality.”

      However, Tetsuo Ito, the head of Kinki University’s Atomic Energy Research Institute, said: “Melted fuel in the No. 2 reactor may have undergone a sustained process of nuclear fission or re-criticality.”

      Now TEPCO is admitting that “continuous nuclear fission” may be occurring, which seems to be at odds with their statement from just a few hours ago.

      (Added to post)


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  • Bleifrei Bleifrei

    the nuclear fire blazes
    the “predator- radiation”
    is stronger and stronger


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  • pg

    Maybe the Mox reactor?

    Levels up, mostly west coast, Co, some spots in central US and East coast.

    http://www.radiationnetwork.com/


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    TEPCO and the associated governments KNOW already (yep, another minimization disinformation piece meant partly to desensitize us to the reality so we do nothing revolutionary to attack the status quo hierarchies) that there has been ongoing continuous or cyclic criticality of the corium(s). Of course.


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  • Agree with Cindy, nobody knows really whats happening inside as no press allowed, workers sign non disclosure contract, rumblings of Yakuza gangster involvement, lies lies lies. Then we have what we can see four damaged buildings containing melted through cores. Experts saying a melt down months before Tepco admitted it. All observers here agree its worse then what Tepco/Yakuza/Obama/Fox will admit. Since fuel rods in at least three reactors are basically melted over the control rods and leaking into the ground there is no control. On/ Off button melted down long ago. All they can do is pour water over the mess. We are all supposed to trust them with our childrens lives and the regulatory captured American NRC and international INRA act like spin doctors for the industry. Certainly not happy Fukushima is on 37th parallel and I am on the 49th. All of us West coasters are in the firing line. The news is getting worse not better. When mainstream starts reporting this in earnest I think we are all going to be F*cked


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  • They are probably finding large amounts of tellurium.

    All reactors have been in sustained criticality. This was obvious when you consider the need to erect a Sarcophagus. What the Media is hinting at is that the reactor is becoming very unstable. It is now more probable than not that the core is filling with hydrogen.

    My guess is the fuel expanded, and the coolant is only cooling the outside of the corium. While the internal proportions of the fuel are under heavy neutron bombardment. So In my opinion, they are afraid that if the atomic process continues the fuel under these conditions could implode.


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    • enemoe

      In other posts you assure us that all reactor contents are out of the core and on the floor, then you say that the core is filling with hydrogen because “all the reactors have been in sustained criticality.”

      Can both assertions be correct?


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    • arclight arclight

      taco what are the chances of hydrogen build up in the corium or is the hydrogen only produced at the surface of the corium?? if hydrogen pockets can form in molten corium under high pressure whats likely to happen??
      a a large farting noise?
      b a big explosion?
      c uncharted territory?


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    • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

      @TG,(or anyone else with answers),just a few questions:

      Is all of this increasing the likelihood of another explosion? And if there were one, does that mean all of the contents of reactor 2 would be released?

      If there were another explosion, do you have any advice about what to do here on the west coast, in terms of protection?

      Do you know how long it would take for the fallout to get here? Is sheltering in place enough, or should we consider evacuating? Or maybe sheltering in place at first, then evacuating?

      As alarming as this is, I still can hardly imagine evacuating, and wouldn’t know where to go, either. I have friends in colorado, but don’t know anyone past So. CA. Evacuating to LA seems like a bad idea…but going to a completely unknown area in South or Central America seems even scarier.

      I’d rather go to Colorado, but I don’t know if it’s much better there in terms of radiation.


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      • StillJill StillJill

        WestCoastGirl,..Siskputer did this yesterday,…
        Sickputer
        November 1, 2011 at 9:25 pm · Reply
        >Are you sure of that, Sickputer?
        Looking at the math closer New England did get hit with the massive plume on Friday October 28 and that was a definite factor in the snowfall…the jetstream is faster at different times of the year and the lower winds carry more particles (skim over the wave as there is little resistances until they hit significant land mass).
        Look at the speed measured in knots at bottom in the color bar of this Storm surf model(I am on my laptop now and this is the weather model insead of the wave model I posted):
        http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display.cgi?a=npac_slp
        The color shows us most of the wind in the North Pacific is an average 25 to 45 knots (green to orange colors). Nothing is hitting above 50 knots. So the average winds are running 29 to 52 miles per hour: conversion chart here:
        http://www.disastercenter.com/convert.htm
        So how far to the US from Fukushima Daiichi?
        http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm
        Los Angeles 5349 miles
        Chicago 6158 miles
        Boston 6567 miles
        Paris 10003 miles (eastern Japan traveling east)
        Berlin 10548 miles (eastern Japan traveling east)
        How far to those cities for winds traveling traveling at 40 Miles per hour? (40 being the approximate average of 25 to 45 knots)…maybe slower than that though)
        Los Angeles 5.6 days
        Chicago 6.4 days
        Boston 6.8 days
        Paris 10.4 days
        Berlin 11.0 days
        4 o’clock in the morning of October 22 for Chicago time (Japan time was 14 hours ahead) we saw these massive releases on the webcam:
        http://www.youtube.com/fuku1live#p/u/256/yfUBMkddhE8
        That was just over 10 days ago and I am think the plumes are massive and take 2-3 days for the back edge of the plume to clear an area. In my opinion the leading edge hit the central US Wednesday or Thursday of last week and the front edge should be hitting Europe by tomorrow. So I was a little off…thanks for the help!


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        • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

          Thank you StillJill, that is helpful…I have noticed higher readings lately when I use my geiger counter. I bike, but keep my nose covered because I don’t want to be breathing in twice as much of the crap when I am breathing hard. I have a feeling people wonder why I do this, it being a wealthy area, but I don’t care…

          I plan on going out today, I’ll see what the geiger counter says. But I really don’t know what to do if there’s any kind of major explosion in the future…


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      • westcoastgirl, you need to do your own research. Evacuation is a personal decision. I have a personal situation that makes it difficult to move from the west coast but if I was young and free like you appear to be I would be moving to the plains where everything is flat and dry, less fallout. But to evacuate in a crisis situation has its drawbacks as you might end up stuck on the road or who knows stuck in a FEMA camp. If you are on the road keep air setting in car to “Recirculate”. Having some emergency supplies around and thinking what you might need if stuck inside for a number of days, is always prudent at any time. Fresh clean water is the number one requirement then food, warmth comfort and shelter. Good raingear pants boots and jacket for venturing outside in rain or times of suspected fall out. A system of self defense is always good as well. Baseball bat, knife and other household items may suffice but having a reliable shotgun around the house can’t hurt.


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      • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

        westcoastgirl, come to Europe if you like.
        Friendly folks here & space to share.

        That goes for everyone who wants to leave (and doesn’t like mushrooms, because ours have cesium)


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        • westcoastgirl westcoastgirl

          Oooohhh, B&B, that is really tempting…I LOVE Europe! Just wish they would get rid of all the NPPs in France.

          Are you in Germany? I can’t remember.My favorite countries are France and Italy, but I’ll take anywhere in Europe over the US.

          Well, maybe not Greece…


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        • Anthony Anthony

          Funny B&B I have been thinking about a new life lately and being half European it might just end up my spiritual quest! At least you are a bit further away…. for now.

          I think geographically, when and if Japan intensifies, the West Coast is along for the radiation ride with Japan.

          And I will certainly only have myself to blame if I find myself standing here wringing my hands. So much to think about these days.


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          • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

            Great Anthony – if you’re keen to work in the renewables industry, I think there are opportunities over here

            Or we all move to arclight and Grace and help them stop nuclear in the UK :-) :-)


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            • Grace Grace

              yes, come here, gotta house, big fields all that plenty of room.
              I could do with some help over at my local nuke plant, last week I wrote EDF OFF in six metre high letters using stones from the beach. Also charcoal (from barbecues) is a brilliant pavement and wooden decking marker.


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              • arclight arclight

                and only 275 years more and the uk will be cesium free!! its a good sell!! in the south anyway…away from doomray!! :)


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                • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                  arc, I just saw NOW on TV a something about the nuke waste drums rotting away in the seas around Europe.
                  Pu239 found in fish…..


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                    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                      Look here – was broadcasted this evening. In German, but you can translate the text summary. Scary enough… :-(

                      http://www.swr.de/report/-/id=233454/nid=233454/did=8815996/1yfyusy/index.html


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                    • Grace Grace

                      Translation:

                      German nuclear waste on the seabed is a ticking time bomb
                      Radiant legacy (XL version)
                      Seabed repository – By 1982, nine states sank low and intermediate level radioactive waste in the North East Atlantic, including Germany. A total of 15 points according to official statistics 114 726 222 732 tons of nuclear waste dumped in barrels and that alpha, beta and gamma emitters. The responsible governments have assumed that the radioactive waste is “disposed of” in 4,700 meters depth. It was thought that possibly “thinned” ausdringende radioactive substances in the ocean would. Today, the “dilution” of radioactive waste prohibited because the radioactivity is reduced but not distributed control.
                      A few years after the last sinkings marine biologists have found that released isotopes through the food chain and from a depth of more than 5,000 meters up to get into fishing zones. Since 1995, the dumping of nuclear waste is banned worldwide. In the meantime, inter alia in the areas of sinking Plutonium-238 in water samples detected in sediment and fish. The half-life of plutonium-238 to 87.7 years. Few millionths of a gram of plutonium in the body are fatal to humans.


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                  • arclight arclight

                    was trying to find where it was likely put… heres a resource that points the way i feel…..mustard/nerve gas anyone

                    also i read that anything in the deep trench off norway has a tendency to end up in denmark!!

                    but heres the link

                    Dumping was carried out on a global scale
                    Adobe PDF – View as html
                    … Aug. 24, 1948, in 3,900 feet of water. NORWAY/DENMARK ■ … in the Nesbit in 1,900 feet of water. NORTH SEA Between Scotland and Norway ■ … miles offshore in at least 5,000 fee

                    http://www.dailypress.com/media/acrobat/2005-10/20226255.pdf


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            • arclight arclight

              if thats the case i hope you are all as small as i imagine you to be :)


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              • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

                I’m roughly lemming-size, so that should be ok


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                • arclight arclight

                  about the plutonium…heres a start :(

                  “Even before the 1990s, Sellafield’s radioactive discharges had severely contaminated the Irish Sea. So much plutonium had poured from the plant that a 1985 U.K. government report stated that, as a result of sea spray, concentrations of plutonium in house dust around Sellafield were up to 6,000 times higher than in houses in the South of England. Another study found caesium contamination around Sellafield 5 to 12 times higher than on Bikini Atoll, where the U.S. exploded 23 nuclear weapons tests.

                  Public concern forced a decrease in Sellafield’s discharges in the 1980s, but the British government has opted to reopen the floodgates. In preparation for THORP’s opening, the U.K. government approved 900% and 1100% increases in the site’s liquid and gaseous discharges, respectively.”

                  errr liked this bit :(

                  “Sellafield’s liquid discharges are now estimated at some 9 million litres a day. Under new authorization, liquid discharge levels of many dangerous radionuclides have risen steeply; between 1993 and 1995, beta radiation in Sellafield’s discharges doubled. To cite one example, levels of technicium-99 (Tc-99) discharged in that period increased by more than 27 times. In late 1996, U.K. government research revealed that seafood harvested near Sellafield contained levels of Tc-99 more than forty times 1993 levels. Lobsters caught in the Irish Sea were laced with Tc-99-at levels as much as 13 times higher than the point at which the European Commission must notify citizens of foodstuff contamination following a nuclear accident.

                  Undeterred by growing controversy over the new discharges, in 1996, BNFL applied for massive increases in the limits for gaseous discharges of Tritium, Iodine-129, and Carbon-14 from its chimneys. That request could be granted by the U.K. government in 1997.”

                  http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/97/nuclear/reprocess/saveour06.html


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                • arclight arclight

                  thats spoooky i just posted a link on krypton85 thread from the same website… :) gonna look at it a bit more thouroughly later…thanks for the tip!!
                  peace


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    • So what would happen if the fuel implodes> I would suspect that the fuel melted through the bottom of the reactor. The Mark 1 reactors fuel rods are loaded from the bottom. The fuel melted through the bottom and came out these holes into the ground. The fuel is probably miles down into the earth down. I have read that water tables hundreds of miles away are contaminated.

      posted bySteve of http://Www.KansasCityMarketing.US


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    …yes…both assertions can be correct… corium in active fission…hydrogen build up.


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  • thelili

    Sounds like Tokyo needs to be more greatly occupied.

    http://www.facebook.com/OccupyTokyoInternational


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  • Tanuki San

    Tacomagroove, if you don’t mind my asking, how do you know that those conditions could cause an implosion? It seems like you have more scientific knowledge on the subjet than most of us. What makes me nervous is that the title of the article said that TEPCO is asking for help. I’m not sure exactly what kind of help they’re asking for, but that doesn’t sound good!


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    • Its actually quite practical…

      Large releases of xenon mean that the fuel is critical. (this builds up hydrogen inside the core containment).

      So 14000 x the xenon = 14,000 x the hydrogen.

      Its not that simple. However it is the simplest way to illustrate it visually. Without going into the actual boring numbers that are confusing and besides the point.

      My guess is that the core containment will be above the 4% maximum hydrogen level by months end.

      Although my main concern is still that reactors 1 and 3 will join the folly. Making tepcos already full hands drop the ball entirely. If they keep juggling from reactor to reactor (which they are) Its only going to be a matter of time before one of these cores goes beyond intervention. (not that they haven’t already. But I mean in a completely unapproachable game over sort of fashion.


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  • hanaloa hanaloa

    When Fox starts to leak the truth, things must be getting real bad…
    I know 1-3 are melted down/thru…I am unclear on 4ʻs status, though…I know its SPF is a major problem and the building is near collapse, but I think I remember reading something about itʻs reactor having problems as well…wasnʻt it defueled though previous to 3/11?
    And whatʻs happening with 5 and 6?? Are those melting down as well? Is that part of what theyʻre not saying yet?!


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  • farawayfan farawayfan

    Either this presages an event that is obvious and unavoidable to finally reveal the truth, or it is a prepatory minimization piece. I fear the former, and despise the latter.

    US MSM still silent. As always.


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  • tomb1

    Really alarming ist that they ask the gov for help. This sounds like they know sth serious is going to happen and they don’t want to be asked later why they did not cry for help.

    I think they found out that core 2 is out of the building.

    This could only have happened under sustained criticality. And possibly explains the new substances found (I have no idea what that could be though).

    In Chernobyl they were afraid that the core, once it found its way through the concrete will hit groundwater and explode, rendering half of Europe inhabitable.


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Fukushima water safe? Official drinks some to make point
    Cleanup continues, word of possible fission event is downplayed

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135199/ns/world_news-world_environment/#.TrGK3fSXu7s


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    • Anthony Anthony

      More from article:

      **Richard Wakeford at the University of Manchester said his initial response to the Tepco findings was “skepticism”.
      Only on msnbc.com
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      No, ‘crackheads’ aren’t coming to get you
      “Nuclear criticality requires delicate conditions,” Wakeford said in an email. “And it seems unlikely that these exist at Fukushima … Also, criticality would be accompanied by a burst of radiation, which I would have expected to be detected.”
      Paddy Regan, at the Department of Physics, University of Surrey, said he doubted a major release of radiation.
      “But it is worth noting that even if the fuel is cooled, there is still a small amount of residual natural fission of the large amount of uranium fuel in the core. … As with other reports, this one does not appear to show any new radiological hazard from the disaster.”**


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    • Grace Grace

      complicity within the bbc – shows man drinking a glass of water poured from a completely different bottle than the one used to gather the water and then ffs showed footage of the site complex before the …….um……. disaster seems a bit of a lame term really.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15533955


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  • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

    Radiation in Tokyo Bay

    There we go:
    Radioactive materials detected in Tokyo Bay

    “Waste water discharged into Tokyo Bay from a cement plant has been found to contain radioactive cesium at much higher levels than the government-set limit for disposal.

    The levels are 14 to 15 times higher than the limit set by the country’s Nuclear Safety Commission.”

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/02_40.html


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    • BreadAndButter BreadAndButter

      Quick! Build another non-functional water filter unit like in Fuku to get rid of contaminated waste water! Or spray it around in the neighbourhood! Where’s the mega-float?

      Insanity.


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  • LetThemEatYellowCake LetThemEatYellowCake

    Would one you please post the jet stream link Bobby posted the other day please? Stupid me forgot to “favorite” it and that just happened to be one that fb didn’t like and deleted for me… thanks in advance!:)


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  • blackbeer blackbeer

    Interesting interview going on right now here:http://www.occupystream.com/ click on NYC2. The Wallstreet movement is doing an action today at the Japan embassy………………

    Tom


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  • many moons

    Yesterday the nuclear power plant in CA sounded a emergency level 3, level 3 because workers were unable to get to the plant to run it because of a chemical leak.

    Something that has bothered me from day one about Fukushima is that there are other reactors in the area that have not been shut down. What if the containation from the Fukushima Daiichi becomes so great that workers can’t get to the other plants nearby to run them and we have many nuclear reactors in meltdown. I see that as a very real possibility and it becomes more real everyday. And even if they were shut down now, they would require a lot of upkeep. Have any reactors in the area been put into cold shut down?


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  • thelili

    What I mean by Occupy Tokyo is that these people are not going to evacuate-either by choice or by government force. They will be contained by force of emergency enacted martial laws. If this is the case then the world needs to shine the brightest light they can on Tokyo(Actually all of Japan) before they are no more.

    Their deaths should not be buried or in vain. When I have to go(I’m in California) I’m going out kicking, screaming, and making noise.

    Already the American is getting ready to relax standards to bring in contaminated food at “bargain prices”. (I am being sarcastic)

    http://news.yahoo.com/usda-welcomes-japan-review-beef-import-rules-213905391.html


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  • arclight arclight

    lets see they dont know what it is huh?

    i say untrue!!

    “When it comes to environmental monitoring, companies, institutions and public bodies put their faith in ENVINET monitoring systems. Worldwide, more than 3,500 TechniData measuring stations are in operation for online radioactivity monitoring alone.”

    “ENVINET offers an entire environmental monitoring network that includes the following:
    Stationary and mobile measuring stations that offer state-of-the-art technology

    Sophisticated data recording and logging capabilities
    A monitoring network center that provides a single point of access for relevant data and reporting capabilities.
    To make the right decisions, you need sound knowledge. TechniData’s ENVINET provides the facts, helping you to take the right measures for enhanced compliance with environmental regulations.”

    http://www.environmental-expert.com/software/technidata-envinet-14000#down

    they play us for fools!! :/


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    • arclight arclight

      oh and belgium had this installed in march!! thats why you could see belgium lit up with contamination during the mercoule incident…while the uk and france (up to the borders) was clean hmmm!


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      • arclight arclight

        manged to tie westinghouse and areva on a czech nuke project here!! and envinet is the company of choice for radiation proptection in this french/uk/usa endeavour, but i havent found a list of envinet customers….

        of course if these nuclear companies to have these excellent monitors in place…can they afford it??

        “it will be the first international experimental reactor of tokamak type where scientists expect to release more heat energy than they need to maintain the thermonuclear fusion reaction itself.

        Besides the EU also China, India, Japan, South Korea, Russia and the USA participate in the project with

        20-billion-euro budget.

        ENVINET a.s. as the only one company from the Czech Republic participated in the inaugural workshop of the Fusion Industry Innovation Forum, which together with the organization Fusion for Energy

        ( http://fusionforenergy.europa.eu/ ) will coordinate the participation of European industry in the ITER project.”

        ok, maybe they can afford it…..
        so does this mean envinet can bullshit on behalf of the “customer” then???

        was that a list of participating countries/corporations above the 20,000,000,000 euros?? i think it was…and they are all lying!! just my developing take on it..
        censorship and manipulated news reports!!

        oh and 20,000,000,000 euro comes to about

        1,349,111,490,061.70 Indian rupees

        2,145,084,580,011.09 JPY

        4,066,366,005,629.37 Kazahkstan tenge

        235,642,438,713,374.84 belarus ruple

        (hope that helps) wonder who will have the strongest currency next year? will this top four list change? will another be added…hold on a minute im not at zero hedge am i? better let those clever lads suss out the financial implications of this disaster, in fact i bet they are busy at it!! :)


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  • pure water

    Japan needs international help, not just cooperation between the government and the company. And it should have been done immediately after the earthquake. I think this time they might ask for help. Chernobyl`s nuclear fuel was heavily mixed with sand and it stopped the chain reaction. But radioactive elements there continue to disintegrate. Fukushima`s lava consists of fuel and zirconium. We do not know what are the shapes of lava blobs and it is crucial. The more compact and round, the more difficult to cool and at the same time, capturing more neutrons. If the surface is cool, it will brake from time to time from the internal heat or frequent quakes there. I just can not imagine the chain reactions ever stopped there after the meltdown.


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Anyone up for a game of chicken with fate itself? Who wants to go on the most extreme radiation adventure brought to you by Disney! Take your kids, your husbands and those pesky in laws for a life changing tour of Japan’s biggest attraction since the Ninja! Fallout tours presents “Night of the walking dead…..ZAaaAaAaa” where the you can get rid of fear of ever reproducing again. Caution your bowels may fall out hahah get it fall out of your colon. But don’t worry happy camper tourists our health ministry says its just an epidemic of a virus that they can’t find after testing. Unexplained health problems may occur and Japan tours will not be held responsible if your whole family happens to die. May cause death. Possible Xenon radioactive exposure may occur on your trip. We don’t actually know what it does to you when you inhale it. But don’t cancel your trip goes away in 16 days…Consult your doctor before going to Japan. Japan is not recommended for the elderly or children.


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  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    I too had been watching the TEPCO webcam on 10/22 during the release event and assumed it to be a “normal”occurance for the conditions there because I hadn’t been watching the webcam for a couple of weeks aside from when I was looking into reports & recordings of events from videos that usually lead to me spending a bit of time watching the usually boring live camera feed until I’d become disgusted with the image that is already burned into my mind forever. I’d like to hear the response to the questions posed to this blogs fine,upstanding,resident experts and/or those at least better qualified to give logical & reasonable answers.I’m also in Chicago near Midway Airport and the timelines given for ETA of releases based on weather,jetstream data,date/time/volume/type of release events-all seem to corroborate the same findings,increases in background radiation levels & unfortunately the major impacts seen here as well as those feeling it 1st to my west(and my east!)as bit’s & pieces(no pun intended)leak into MSM reports as well.I’m also guessing that things have been known by the bastards to be bad as bad as it gets all along & the latest revelations by TEPCO are just some appetizers to precede the full menu of what’s really been sizzling on our dinner spreads all along that they can’t just chuck bottles of luminous paint around here to explain away. Maybe I should feel guilty because I hope that whatever the “big news”is that follows is related to Japan,rather than to the USA-but that’s too much to hope for,as well as being so unlikely.I’m sorry if that sounds harsh but if even the most unbiased citizen of any country was able to choose whether an inevitable catastrophe scenario involving six GE BWR’s going belly up should happen in their country or the USA-I doubt they’d hesitate to wish it were on our soil instead.But since it is landing on our soil anyway I guess it’s a moot point & even worse that I strongly suspect it caused my family serious…


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  • for ongoing fission:
    have understood a little, from what i did learn without water fission is harder to achieve without because neutrons are to fast then to crack cores (and produce new neutrons). so by cooling tepco actually makes fission more likely to happen.
    that only to underline that they have to have a look to understand what really happens down there. but they didnt even start to look after 8 months. and as they are not measuring all things coming out their skill of proper guessing what might happen are very limited.
    complete new frontier for science, really hope that no real monster evolves. like a 100 ton fission bomb……


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  • thelili

    This level of delusion is insane.

    Tepco: No problem here.
    Scientists: Yes there is.
    Public: What’s happening?

    Tepco: It’s a small problem.
    Scientists: It’s a major problem.
    Public: What’s happening?

    Tepco: It’s a bit more than a small problem but we can handle it.
    Scientists: No you can’t.
    Public: Something is happening but I don’t know what.

    Tepco: Well we’re trying a few things that might work at some point in the future.
    Scientists: Nope. None of that will work.
    Public: We are starting to feel sick. Can anyone help please?

    Tepco: We’ll figure out something eventually.
    Scientists: Not for about 100 years.
    Public: Um…what?!

    Doctors: You all have cancer and are going to die
    Tepco: Okay.
    Public: Silence.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Breathtakingly TRUE thelili,…..insanity on steroids!

    Only slightly O/T: My friend has stage 4 throat cancer that spread to his lymph nodes, poorly differentiated. The Dr’s swore to him that radiation would at least kill the primary tumor in his throat. He mortgaged his home, sold all his gold,..etc,….had way too much radiation,….pet scan just showed NO IMPROVEMENT. My friend goes back to that Dr. and gets a bit mad that he was lied to about “at least the primary tumor WILL BE Gone”. Now, perhaps the Dr. simply said, Should be gone, will most likely. But here’s the thing. After about 5 minutes of questionings,…the Dr. asked my friend to leave,..that He’d, (the Dr.) , had bought my friend more time. Go home and keep yourself as comfortable as possible. My friend will loose his home and be in bankruptcy court within 12 months I’m certain,…if there is 12 months. He will have no home to go away and die in.


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  • thelili

    @Stilljill: That doctor abandoned his standard of care toward your friend and that is considered malpractice in some states. Can he rent out the rooms in his house to cover the mortgage and head to Mexico for cannabis and B vitamin treatment?


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  • jimbojamesiv

    C’mon, people, he did not drink from a frickin’ puddle inside the nuclear power plant.

    I’m sorry, but there’s no frickin’ way anyone would do that nor would there be need to drink from a puddle. At least say that you took it from the tap at Fuku, but don’t tell me you drank water from a puddle. I mean who does that?

    And, by the way, if he really did drink water from a Fuku puddle then either he’s receiving the best possible medical care in the world, which by the way I saw someone say that radiation sickness is treatable, or he’s going to be dead in 1-2 years tops. Notwithstanding the aforesaid, perhaps he drank from the cleanest possible puddle ever in the history of the world.


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  • Grace Grace

    watch the report – different bottle.
    different power station, images show intact buildings.
    msm complicity.
    Spin off!

    Also as you correctly point out Gummer made his child eat a hamburger, made from pork, not beef from cows.


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