Official detects radiation spike on California beach, now at 500% normal levels — ‘Befuddled’ as to why it’s so high, claims there’s no ‘immediate’ health concern — Public’s interest in Fukushima nuclear waste rising (VIDEO)

Published: January 4th, 2014 at 12:07 am ET
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Half Moon Bay Review, Jan. 3, 2014 at 8:21p ET: [San Mateo] County health officials first learned of the radiation levels last week, and they sent their own inspector on Dec. 28 to Pacifica [...] the county inspector measured the beach to have a radiation level of about 100 micro-REM per hour [1 microsievert per hour], or about five times the normal amount. [...] Although the radiation levels were clearly higher than is typical, [San Mateo County environmental health director Dean Peterson] emphasized that it was still not unsafe for humans. [...] Peterson admitted he was “befuddled” as to why radiation levels were higher than normal, but he was skeptical that the Fukushima meltdown could be the cause. He noted that many innocuous items could spike the radiation levels in an area, including red-painted disposable eating utensils. [...] Peterson forwarded the matter to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and state Department of Public Health [...]

Dean Peterson, San Mateo County environmental health director: “It’s not something that we feel is an immediate public health concern [...] We’re not even close to the point of saying that any of this is from Fukushima. [...] I honestly think the end result of this is that it’s just higher levels of background radiation.”

The Half Moon Bay Review article provides details on the YouTube video that spurred local officials into action: An amateur video of a Geiger counter showing high radiation levels at a Coastside beach has drawn the attention of local, state and federal public health officials. [...] the short video has galvanized public concerns that radioactive material could be landing on the local coastline from Japan as a result of the 2011 meltdown of the Fukushima Daiichi reactors. [...] First posted last week on YouTube, the seven-minute video shows the meter of a Geiger counter as an off-camera man measures different spots on the beach south of Pillar Point Harbor. The gadget’s alarm begins ringing as its radiation reading ratchets up to about 150 counts per minute, or roughly five times the typical amount found in the environment. [...] In a blog entry, the unidentified poster of the video noted that he has been monitoring local beaches for two years before noticing a sudden rise in radiation levels in recent days. [...] In the following days other amateurs with Geiger counters began posting similar videos online. [...] “We can’t comment on anybody’s media creation. We really have no way of knowing right now whether it’s valid or not,” said [state Public Health] spokeswoman Wendy Hopkins.

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411 comments to Official detects radiation spike on California beach, now at 500% normal levels — ‘Befuddled’ as to why it’s so high, claims there’s no ‘immediate’ health concern — Public’s interest in Fukushima nuclear waste rising (VIDEO)

  • Seeker

    @Radio

    Your analysis was the same as Shimatsu's (Rense/Dec 23)–the radiation that was found was "nuclear war level," and is the canary in the coal mine of the Pacific plume.

    I wonder why Admin does not post a summary of Shimatsu's input each week: it is because of Rense?

    How I wish someone would post weekly summaries. It would save so much time for enenewsers. All these posts under this article and not a one of the link that covered the amateur rad reading at great detail.

    My full time work limits my time, plus my listening to him often breaks my heart to the point of paralysis (in this case, because I have family on the coast of So. CA)who can't evacuate (elderly, Alzeimers, finances et al)

    Socrates, WNTF, anyone?

    Gratefully,

    Seeker


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  • Cisco Cisco

    Without an independent media, the real story won't be told.

    Aljazeera is premiering a 4 night/part mini-doc/report starting Monday, December 6…."Return to Fukushima with America Tonight"

    Fukushima Daiichi is the biggest story in the history of mankind.

    It will be the biggest story in the history of Aljazeera.

    It will be interesting to see if they play, or if they fold. Stay tuned.


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  • Sparky Sparky

    Shine a light! More than 400,000 people viewed the on-the-beach rad check and many (including the environmental health rep) conducted their own rad checks and apparently came up with similar results. Some posted their own videos.

    The "response" from the area's "befuddled" environmental health and state public health employees suggests how incompetent they are in assessing, alerting or protecting citizens from this obvious threat. I think people will get that the "red eating utensils" or nebulous "increase in background radiation" explanations are lame, almost laughable if the situation weren't so deadly serious. They've gone on record to get the EPA's take on this. Expect misinformation, minimization, denial, or ridicule from EPA–but they will need to respond IF the citizenry and media (we can hope!!) stay on this.

    While late, more people are realizing that Fuku radiation contamination IS here and getting worse, and that they've been lied to by the media and government, environmental, health and other entrusted officials/agencies at all levels. I hope that the citizens' "response" is to get seriously pissed-off, enough to hold those responsible (including themselves) accountable to make some positive changes.

    No doubt that cognitive dissonance will kick-in, but the chorus of voices demanding information and action may be on the rise, albeit very, very (too?) late.


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    • ftlt

      You must remember, people have personal agendas and they may often be threatened with job security issues in the workplace too..

      Hard to be courageous, when the almost the entire government is on the lamb in one way or another around nuclear energy and weapons..


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      • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

        The two people I'm closest to that do not know each other are tied to related industries. I cannot even bring the subject up in their presence. It's like I'm threatening their income. Online my child has mentioned one of the families' children takes to making fun of people who fear Fukushima. So I'm feeling pretty confident anything I've mentioned in their household has been made fun of and belittled after I'm gone judging by the dripping condescension coming from their 15 year old.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Ironically, whatever their local governments say, it will catch up with people once they try to sell beachfront property and the buyer says no because of the rad counts.


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  • retali8 retali8

    14,000 visitors today, thats good! we need awareness…

    i do worry enenews may eventually go down though, it frightens me daily, we need a backup incase. ;/


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  • Jebus Jebus

    Enenews is needed live.
    A youtube live channel. Ya, I've dissed youtube before.
    An Enenews approved entity could be created.
    I'm sure there is enough equipment and talent reading this.
    Professional desk, show your face journalism.
    Reported from near and far. There is enough material.
    Truths, debunking, site news, could all be presented in a professional format that is a required standard in todays society.
    Video.
    What's the downside? I would donate again…


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    • Cisco Cisco

      Jebus…You see us, those people who know and tell, as patriots. They (the nuclear village) see us as terrorists. Being very public in our arena is very dangerous, just ask Assange, Snowden, Greenwald or Ellsberg.

      As soon as ENENEWS becomes a quantifiable threat to the nuclear village (government, military & industry), the person or entity serving up the site will be easy identified. The risks are high. Better to be this special destination where more and more thought-leaders connect here and write. I believe some reporters from the MSM are here daily.

      The competitive and social pressures for being a recognized journalist are building. I think some known news person (will get national and international attention) will break from the fold to deliver the once in a life time story, of the biggest story in the history of mankind…a prima facie case for a probable, short-term extinction. That is exactly what the nuclear village never wants the GP to believe/think or know. It would seriously impact their cash flow, and that would be most uncomfortable.


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      • Jebus Jebus

        I guess it all boils down to which threat you feel is greater.
        The Earth becoming grossly contaminated with long lived radionuclides or the consequences of telling the truth…


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        • imacmill

          And what 'truth' would that be, and from what source?

          There will be *no* truth made available, only conjecture and rumours. And what credible reporter wants to be the one to report a half-truth or outright lie that causes mass hysteria and panic?

          If — and I must stress 'if' — Fukushima is a real global threat, and if — and again I stress 'if' — something can be done to fix it, then you can bet your ass it would be being done right now. Since we can safely assume nothing is being done (the media *would* be reporting the hell out of it, and obviously they are not), then we can also assume one of two things: either the threat is not serious (in which case we can all relax), or it's unfixably serious, in which case you can still relax because there's nothing you can do except move somewhere you believe makes you safer).


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          • humptydumpty humptydumpty

            I think this is faulty reasoning. "if…something can be done to fix it, then you can bet your ass it would be being done right now." Experts' suggestions (such as Arnie Gunderson's) have been ignored purely because of high cost. That's what this is about, not only for Tepco but for the entire industry. Mass media as well as governments are owned and controlled by the PTB that have the most to lose if too much negative publicity gets out. The other assumptions are extremes and the suggested reactions are non sequiturs. There is no question as to the seriousness or the fact that it's getting worse; no one can "relax" under these circumstances.


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            • imacmill

              So in your opinion, then, the governments from all nations are content to kill off the whole planet (slowly but surely, it should be noted), rather than spend money implementing AG's supposed 'fix'? In what way does this make sense to you?

              "We're not spending any money to fix it, so fuck it, we all die! My children, my children's children, your children, your neighbours children…every living thing, die, die, de! because we'll be damned if we're gonna spend any money fixing it!"

              Doesn't make sense to me, and my previous conclusions are fine until proven otherwise (therein lies the beauty of this guessing game we're all doing).


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          • SadieDog

            The media?! Ha! Are you serious?


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          • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

            @imacmill: "There will be *no* truth made available, only conjecture and rumours. And what credible reporter wants to be the one to report a half-truth or outright lie that causes mass hysteria and panic?"

            That's a laugh. The press may tell themselves that to feel better, but when push comes to shove they'll risk it. They'll risk starting a race war in Florida over the Zimmerman, hispanic on black shooting, coverage. They'll also risk more school shootings just to give political thrust to the gun control lobby. You see, school shootings are a kind of suicide, and any psychologist can tell you that whenever suicides are publicized that not only do suicides increase but also suicides of that particular type. The press will indirectly encourage suicide/kid murders to press gun control.

            They are a joke.


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            • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

              I agree with you that there is exaggeration going on both sides, probably to create a believer/denier dialectical meme, to be exploited for other purposes. And, thus I caution against exaggeration.

              But the whole "don't start a panic" rationale is just a means to that end, a means of stopping the well meaning reporters. People aren't that dumb.

              And, what exactly would this "panic" entail. Demanding testing, demanding that politicians and authorities do something? Would that be terrible?

              It's not like LA is going to start a death march into the Mohave desert.


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        • rakingmuck

          On moving from West Coast (which I have finally decided to do) I offer a similar analogy. Having accepted the truth, I am moving from West Coast but not to "southern hemisphere". The entire planet is polluted. This decision is to follow "my truth" and be with my family and friends as things fall apart. Living through hell on earth alone is unacceptable. Going through it with loved ones = more acceptable.


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          • Au Au

            "This decision is to follow "my truth" and be with my family and friends as things fall apart. Living through hell on earth alone is unacceptable. Going through it with loved ones = more acceptable."

            This is our conclusion also.


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            My husband and I are weighing same decision. What to do? Very old parents, unable to move. They have lovingly supported us, how could we abandon them? Save the young? What if our siblings don't believe us, no one believes us, and all choose to stay despite the obvious risks?


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      • flatsville

        I would think if any site would be at risk it would be fukuleaks.org…still going strong with original content researching and debunking.


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    • rakingmuck

      Count me in. Also available to work to make it happen (find and source people, etc)


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    • Let's see if we can make it happen.. email

      agreenroad at gmail.com with specifics..

      A group was formed to do something months ago, but no further word on anything.

      There is much that could be done if people chose to work together, but it is much like herding wild cats..


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  • Grampybone Grampybone

    Recent snowfall in the area is reading 70 counts per minute in Salisbury MA.

    http://radcast.org/radcasts/RadCastTH20140104.html

    That is 3x higher than normal atmospheric levels. Bit by bit the faucet drips waves and spikes of clusters of weird particles developed in the worlds first triple-melt-elephant-foot-salt-sand molten-curium nuclear detonation. Super sonic waves, yellow flashes and a huge electromagnetic pulse. Yet people are baffled when they see high amounts of contamination. How sad. The EMP ALONE was enough to shut power down on the diesel backup generators controlling water levels in spent fuel pools. When power went down, they too caused massive damage to the assemblies causing them to crack and bleed MOX bomb material.


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    • zogerke zogerke

      it will subside when the snow stops. in philly, when it snows it is in the 90-112 cpm range. normal background is in the 40 cpms, unfortunately.


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      • We Not They Finally

        But the East Coast is still safer. Here in Albuquerque, it has spiked as high as 1,000 CPM! Same for Denver. Unfortunately, the trends everywhere will be going UP.


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        • Ontological Ontological

          Summerlin S Nv is way high too, some of the readings here are 1200+, and where our home is, wasn't hot 2 years ago at all despite the testing. The test site is truly in a protected area from here. Its St George Utah that has the higher rads from being downwind of the testing.
          Nice if you have an option to move. Cancer bills and the FED placing everyone upside down on their homes here screwed most of us in S NV as to an option to move. Those bastards knew something was coming in 2008 apparently. Word to the wise however, both Denver and Albuquerque, and naturally higher rad zones due to granite rock outcrops in the Earth mantle.


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    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      yeah, the cpm's are about the same here from W.S.Hercules in the Windy City…sigh…might explain why my beloved wife and today-Birthday Girl(41),has been having asthma attacks & seizure after seizure followed by paralysis,incontinence and spells of dementia(?)!! She informed me that she wants it known to the Dr.'s & EMT's ="do not resuscitate" her!!! WTF!!, I fought her cancer WITH her along with EVERYTHING else that "coincidentally"(NOT!!)began soon after 311 plumes arrived here and I just KNOW in my bogged-down heart that it's ALL CONNECTED!! I have friends & my favorite neighbors family is stuck in CA. Early lessons learned along the way here include the FACT that radiation doesn't respect boundaries & borders and indeed has traversed the globe many times if not constantly bombarding everything everywhere to one degree or another and I'm so sickened by the thought(if not the rad sickness?)that I'm not even trippin' about the eviction/foreclosure prospects looming in February/March and my message to ENEWSERS is to stay the course and keep up the good work & fight! I'll be lucky if I get through this next brutal cold snap with a broken blower motor on the heater of our Jeep-again I'm straying OT with my life/Country song story,lol. I wonder if everything would be fixed if I play the song backwards??….p.s,I must be doing something right though(?)-my neighbors now call me "radiation man"-wtf?!! :| I just tell it like it is & let 'em all see Geiger…


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      • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

        cont'd-measurements live & in person. They still don't want to hear it or act like I caused this crap or something! Maybe they'll be glad when we get evicted & put out like the cat by the Sheriff? :| TAKE CARE FRIENDS! ;)


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        • American Phoenix57

          Johny Blade, I been brought to tears on more than one occasion by your ongoing battle over the past couple of years. Although we've never met, I like many others here feel as if I've known you for a long time. I want to help you and your loved ones fight back and make it through this sad and scary time in your lives. I went through something similar a while back so I feel compelled to help you some how. I have set aside some free bottles of a product I discovered a while back that I think may help you and your family. Consider it a late Christmas gift. Please contact me at this email: greendad@detoxicproducts.com so I can send a bunch for you to try out at no charge. I will answer questions and share some of my personal successes with you in private. Hang in there my brother and never lose hope. AP57

          p.s. Anne if you read this,I have a package for you as well. My daughter lives on Ogden street in Denver and would be happy to send it to you or drop it off in person. Please let me know.


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      • You, too, Johnny Blade. I know you've been here
        http://enenews.com/forum-best-practices-combating-effects-radiation

        but somewhere i remember reading amazing things about asthma and baking soda. it's ability to clear passages through facial steam.


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        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          thanks chemfood, I'll look into that! :) Please excuse my negativity lately everyone-I'm rarely able to get online more than once or twice a week and even then not for very long. I'm not optimistic about much these days and getting caught up on the FUKuD-up news never helps shake the New World Odor stench from the air or my perception of this polluted world. Every once in a while I even wish I was stupid enough to ignore the event or consequences of 311,but I'm just smart enough to remain tuned to reality,but too dumb to succeed or get past my own FUKuD up life's problems…story of my life-"bass-ackwards",lol- I'm gonna go now and dwell in sorrow for all of the people getting shit on by the nuke crap in places much worse hit than my neck of the woods(I think?)-maybe it's being spread evenly for ALL to ingest & die? IDK,but I'm leaning towards that depressing & wretched conclusion. :( GOOD LUCK & BEST WISHES EVERYONE ju8st the same TAKE CARE


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          • Here Here. Great to see you back when you're here, for relieving my own need to rant about all this absurdity etc. To at least an active New Year and breathing clear.
            Aloha and not fade away
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9tlJdHA5Os


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          • American Phoenix57

            Johnny see my post above. AP57


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            • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

              To AP57 & all who responded to my post(s). Thank you and I will follow up asap. I have to return the wifi router I borrowed for half the day in an hour,but will be back online tomorrow or Monday via the Chemo Infusion Centers free wifi. I apologize for being such a downer all the time,but if I found something relevant that offered hope or even the ability to make someone sick and/or stressing out over all the BS,I would much rather be setting it out here instead of my usual rambling,venting rants but there's nothing "good" that comes to my mind since that fateful day except for how proud I am to see that my peers in the ENE group have taken the time & made the effort to even approach & respond to the radiation/311 issues that wouldn't even still be a threat if more people were as willing to accept & find ways to deal with the harsh reality humanity & all earth life now faces as a result of the apathy & ignorance displayed by the masses instead of whatever fairy tale realities they've CHOSEN to replace the truth with! How can the other larger portion of society including those responsible & those who COULD or SHOULD've "SHUT ALL NUKES DOWN BEFORE 311 & definitely AFTER the impacts of the crap technology had been equally dispersed & now saturating & accumulating in all facets of our environment & daily lives,whether we or they know it or choose to accept the "new normal" (literally)forced down ALL our throats with impunity?!!Yet my social/financial standing lends…


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              • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

                cont'd- itself well to easily dismiss my warnings & notions of a catastrophic ELE needlessly underway by those who respond to my cause among those who know me personally to treat my straight-up discussions & warnings/advice as tainted & suspect or even worse-that I'd rather be proven right??!! NOTHING could be further from the truth!! I'd give my own life in a second to spare anyone what I already see happening to my loved ones,much less what is surely going to happen as time & the cumulative nature of the crap being done to us by TPTB and the special-interest groups who pull their strings!! I DO value life under most circumstances-but I personally have a point where all bets are off and I WILL lose the thread of hope or "wishful thinking" that I cling to in order to force myself to get up and face another shitty uncertain day. Once we are foreclosed on and out in the elements my wife will be in a nursing home and I doubt I'll be around much beyond that point in time,but for now I'm gonna keep my nose to the grindstone & keep trying to keep us afloat. I always feel bad for the homeless living under the bridge & I've felt even worse for them after 311 began, but I don't share their will to survive at any cost anymore since I KNOW what's coming sooner than later for them followed by the rest of us who have/had better food/water/shelter and I expect the day will come when a single bullet will prove useful for me. It all seems lost now anyways. Take Care guys & gals! :)


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        • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

          Yes! I was just reading about the process on a Homesteading and Survival website. They talked of using it like a nebulizer, I think, like when you'd throw something in hot water w/a towel over your head and take in the steam. I'll see if I can find it tomorrow. (Sorry I can't look today)


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      • 4Yahshua 4Yahshua

        1~4~5995 (out of 6000) Sabbath 8th Day Hanukkah in
        this "Twilight Zone Apocalypse"!

        Johnny, so SAD to read your news but you both are still alive.
        And, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 41 seems young when you are 66! My husband (84) and I live about 5 miles from the beach in Southern CA.
        Here are some suggestions:
        For healing lungs and preventing H1N1 flu: NAC Cystein, an amino acid Adult: 120 mg./day Child: 60 mg/day Ridding body of radiation: Boron capsule a day. Vitamin D3 (at least 2000 i.u. a day, no toxic level) Swanson Vitamins has great prices. Drink almond milk and eat almonds. They contain natural cyanide that kills cancer cells.
        Get "Back to Eden" by Jethro Kloss on how to cure cancer and most other ills. Old editions have case testimonies and photos of dire cases. Cheap on Amazon and eBay! Improve you diet and faith to survive ANYTHING in these last of days! These words come with our GET WELL BLESSINGS!


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      • VoIPEng VoIPEng

        I lost my cousin to Leukemia when I was 5 and he was 4 and later in life I lost my step-mom to cancer, that started out as breast cancer. I know these damn Nuclear Plants are to blame which is why I am so driven now that I am 36, regarding green energy and dismantling ALL Nuclear Plants.

        I wish I would have know this information back then and God forbid, I ever get cancer…I will be utilizing this natural approach. I do not mean to offend ANYONE but please watch this video in its ENTIRETY and keep an open mind…it very well could be a life saver.

        Cannibus cures cancer:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ULYysghrc8&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      That could be Fukushima or the NPP plant right next door, Seabrook.

      Sorry, I had to jump on that one as I'm from the area to the north and even recently still considered living in Kensington, NH next door in the other direction. Funny how you can play games with yourself even though you know the truth. I wanted to "go home" and as recently as last year was looking at the beautiful property there.

      Then I sat down and really thought about my ex bf w/Hodgekin's disease, his mother w/throat cancer and his sister w/breast cancer who later needed her uterus removed too. That was in the 80s when the plant was only a decade old. Yeah, forget trying to move there.


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  • Sparky Sparky

    @chemfood, Could you pls. provide your "raising awareness" flyers in MSWord? I'd like to localize them and/or add some very basic information about preventing/minimizing radiation contamination exposures/ingestion.

    I've posted this request to you a few times on other threads, but we are apparently missing each other, given the way Enenews is structured. If you don't have time or want to provide these, or prefer not to have them altered, that's fine and I'll create some anew and post them here on Enenews. (I was hoping to save time and build upon your excellent format.) I think people will be more likely to read and respond if localized, and it they understand that there's actually something that they can do to improve their own situation. Thanks much.


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  • ftlt

    Has the concentrated plume arrived then??? Or is this just the front of it???


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  • jcfougere jcfougere

    Could someone please recommend a <$5000 geiger counter that would be good for measuring radiation from the vacuum, air filters, shoes, articles of clothing, soil etc?

    I know I can't measure food, but I'd like to start monitoring the environment I live in to help me decide when to leave.

    Thank you

    James.


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    • zogerke zogerke

      the inspector is less than $600. for 5K maybe you are talking scintillators? others here?


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    • American Phoenix57

      Try this link.

      http://geigercounters.com/

      after you watch the videos from this guy:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x6rnNgRBNg

      Hope they help you understand the difference.


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    • gordon

      You shouldn't have to spend five thousand dollars. Two thousand would set you up with spectroscopy. Spectroscopy would allow you to identify the source of the energy you detect. A scintillator detector will allow you to see very tiny amounts of source. Seeing tiny amounts is nice if you're looking in food.

      This set is a pretty good deal. You would also want to spend a little money on lead for shielding out background.

      If you have the money, that's nice. The difficult part is actually the learning curve you need to keep up with so you understand what you're looking at.


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        • jcfougere jcfougere

          Thanks Gordon, I've watched the videos and it all makes good sense.

          It appears that the Inspector EXP would be a great tool in detecting a source in my environment, and a spectroscopy device would be even more sensitive, and allow me to know what is actually setting off the counts.

          Just to be sure I understand correctly, when we are talking about Gamma radiation (which is what we are getting as fallout) both devices detect those radiations very well. When it comes to Alpha emitters, we have to jump up to the scintillation devices to detect them, because Alpha waves do not penetrate even clothing, so we need much more sensitive devices to detect them.

          As far as I know, the most dangerous Alpha emitters would also be gamma emitters, so even if I'm not detecting alpha waves with my geiger or specto, I'll pick up the gamma anyway and know what I'm dealing with?

          Looks like because geiger only gives a count per minute, it's not possible to get an accurate reading on food and water sources because it may create false positives or false negatives. I believe one video showed that if contamination was above 1000 bq/kg, we would get a good indication in CPM, but it would still be rather useless when it comes to food.

          If I can get a spectroscopy device with equal sensitivity to a high end geiger, but that will ALSO tell me what's being emitted, even in food and water, it's a no brainer for me. I would pay double to be able to know if my water source is…


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          • jcfougere jcfougere

            Well I've just read Strontium-90 is a beta emitter, so could someone tell me, when it comes to isotope identification, what's my best option to detect the most common nasties on their way from Japan?

            I know there are thousands, but the main ones talked about being:
            Cesium-137
            Iodine-131
            Strontium-90
            Plutonium-whatever
            Tritium
            etc

            What's the most likely isotope to contaminate the West shore through the ocean? What's the most likely isotopes to land here via air?

            Thanks!


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            • jcfougere jcfougere

              I've sort of found my own answer. Basically it's not possible without very expensive gear to detect specific alpha/beta emitters, but with a good quality geiger or a spectroscope I can detect the energy and dosage, but can't know if it's beta, alpha, and which element causing the reading.

              I suppose it would be enough to avoid ingestion of anything that reads high energy, and with a spectroscope I could rule out natural safe sources as false positives…


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              • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                It should be possible to detect and measure the difference between beta/gamma and alpha. If you have a detector that is built for all three. For example, when not exposing the thin mica to the air it would be blocked giving you mostly a beta/gamma reading. When exposed, the readings should increase. The difference would indicate alpha. If there is no increase this would indicate alpha is not present. And it would be important to know if alpha is present. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.


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                • Jebus Jebus

                  Yes, you are correct, while adding that the distance away should allow some differentiation between the two groups…


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                  • jcfougere jcfougere

                    Thanks guys, the differences are becoming very clear.

                    I saw a brief video detailing that even the cheapo model geiger will show alpha next to a brick wall simply by observing the readings far away and right up close to the source and noticing any increase. This makes sense, Alpha emit short distances, Beta further, Gamma through everything even lead.

                    I'm thinking about this little guy:
                    http://www.polimaster.com/products/personal_radiation_detectors/pm1703m/

                    - PM1704M additionally to the basic model has a built-in G-M tube, which expands the dose rate measurement range to 10 Sv/h (1000 R/h)

                    That would cover isotope discovery, identification, dose rates, AND gm tube will pick up sources of beta/alpha, even if it can't identify. All in a discreet package i can take everywhere.

                    Thoughts?


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              • socref

                Geiger counters dont do spectroscopy. You need a CZT or HpGe solid state detector. Note the lack of 185 keV means NO uranium.


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      • Gasser Gasser

        Just stick you tongue out in the rain, if it taste like you just licked a fuel pellet then you know CMP are high, now knowing you are radioactively screw to death unforgiving grip, then go max out your credit card and let it all hang out…it's cheaper and there will be no one to come knocking at your door to collect…dark humor for dark times in the dark future…just sayin'


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    • SEMIjt

      definately the inspector line is highly recommended


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    • guevara3712

      if you have money left over get a solar set up and stop paying these people who care for nothing but profit.and as far as i'm concerned theirs no argument between nuclear and fossil fuels. nuclear needs to go first but fossil fuels must go too. both plutonium AND mercury pass the placenta. so i hope no one gets divided and conquered on this issue,the whole energy industry is killing us and poisoning our children for all time.


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  • weeman

    I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth, I better ask mom if it was a red one.
    Surly you are going to pull these red plastic utensils off the market and have every person that may have used them to make up there will, cause of they are that radioactive and you put them in your mouth, you are dead man walking.
    Ridiculous to the point of insanity, what was he thinking or not, you are fired idiot.
    It must just spin the heads of the spin doctors, looks good on you, keep it up you are doing a great job for us.


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  • Cooter cooterboy

    I was an inspector for the Army Corp of Engineers and my job was to verify and document the TAB (testing adjusting balancing) of buildings. HVAC, electrical, water, concrete the list is endless.

    When an anomaly occurs in any testing, then the testing apparatus is subject first. Another testing machine is hooked up and the results recalculated. Next is operator error and a second tech. is brought in. If further anomalies are present then you remove the testing devices and install a completely different device until the scope of the problem is narrowed down.

    On the job site we are trained in the methodology of testing and account for all variables.

    Suspect is the man with the radiation detector. Show me two detectors side by side. Suspect is the local inspector, his machine, his methodology and all prevalent data for that area.

    There are too many loose ends to quantify any result. Quantify Alpha, Beta, Gamma readings with two devices with an independent qualified observer and some truth may become evident.

    This county inspector, in my opinion, is not qualified to pour piss out of a boot. On top of this to make a statement that "red-painted disposable eating utensils" can cause this, is so far out of the realm of speculation, it proves his incompetency.

    Get a hundred citizens with detectors and prove with certainty the incompetency of those we trust. Force your elected officials to do their job.

    Peace,


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  • jump-ball jump-ball

    Radiation VIDEOS are the way to overpower denial by authorities, the media and individual mental blockage: See 'live' videos here, for one example, of rainfall radiation at 26X to 31X background, over a 2 day storm, on what might as well be the hood or windshield of your rain-soaked car (or wet clothes), giving potential new meaning to these several locations, in 'Death Valley' CA, as well as rain-soaked and snowed-under locations nationwide:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=RAIN+RADIATION+DEATH+VALLEY&sm=3

    I previously posted here the 30-390 CPM CA beach video in this headline, as well as video of AllegedlyApparent.WordPress' Inspector detection of "hot" Japanese kelp still for sale on the shelf of an Iwaki grocery.

    My earlier post suggested that these videos are perhaps the way to make the radiation VISIBLE and show that it is also LOCAL, at the beach or in the rain and snow, and also no doubt in our grocery and other stores, and I hope this CA beach radiation-revealing video is just the first of a long stream of such tangible revelations that also go viral.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      There is a grassroots, groundswell movement of support to get the true information out there, esp. in regard to the health of the Pacific Ocean, and the actual risk to people in California, and the North American West Coast.

      This "story" has just gone viral, regardless of how "befuddled" the official deniers are ….


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  • ftlt

    I would think, there are ocean biologists looking at this now..

    Their studies will take time… And the problem is, they end there and die as studies..

    Science in America around environmental issues is getting more conservative all the time now..

    See below – the ivory tower discussion on the very issue of advocacy… This is in regards to climate change (not a popular issue with our Libertarians on here – but still, the science vs advocacy point should be)

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/12/agu-talk-on-science-and-advocacy/


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  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    " We really have no way of knowing right now whether it’s valid or not,” said [state Public Health] spokeswoman "

    They could purchase a fucking monitor, walk down to the beach and check the reading for themselves. I know, this is a profound idea! God damned fools is what we are dealing with in these local governments. Don't they want to know for their OWN sake?


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  • Jebus Jebus

    How could a Nuclear Megadisaster like Fukushima contaminate a beach on the west coast of USA?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p13GlGFtxk0

    The winds beat the waves by many days…


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  • DoogNoog

    Well someone else posted this earlier – and here it is again -

    http://geigercounter.com/

    This is Natural Radiation it appears – if people want to keep freaking out then go get a beach sample and have a lab test it.


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  • Cooter cooterboy

    This is a little off the subject, but the IAEA just released their report dated January 4 2014 on the Fukushima disaster. Judge for yourself the information.

    http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/2013/prn201327.html

    I think it's just a bunch of very hot air but what do I know.

    They are the experts who understand the unexplained, never seen before nuclear meltdown phenomenon, that is impossible to see, or test, or for the fact you cant get within 1,000 feet of the event. So what do does the IAEA propose, is well, nothing. But they are on top of it and assure us TEPCO is A-OK.

    "Houston we have a problem."

    Peace,


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Obama care is working! We are getting our daily FREE dose of Chemotherapy……… Compliments of GE, Toshiba, Mitsubishi.


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  • name999 name999

    A pinch of baking soda with a pinch of salt and also a drop of oil in a neti pot is very helpful as a nasal rinse if you can get used to that practice. And brushing teeth with baking soda. I do many health practices and they help greatly.


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  • name999 name999

    I think of this time much like the McCarthy era. Working folks posting about workplaces that are
    not safe to talk about Fukushima. Kids somehow getting the idea that this is kooky paranoid stuff worth making fun of. As if we were talking about something anti-American.

    We are wanting to save America and protect Americans. We are not willing to be quiet observers here on Enenews. Those who feel they must remain silent can still find ways to be silently and quietly supportive of telling the truth and the truth tellers. I think most of us who post here can hardly believe this has gotten so deadly and stronger by the day. The power of the nuclear industry, the disaster itself and the lack of response can't be ignored.

    Even if we can't stop it, our lives, our childrens lives, the living world of our gorgeous and besieged planet is worth the fight.


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  • name999 name999

    cooterboy, read that report. Lots of love and pats on the back to TEPCO.

    I guess they will have to study the situation and get back to us…


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Damn it. I was studying a map of Central America and realized something just now. The same plume that is hitting the West coast, the Central and South American West coasts is gushing through the Panama Canal every time they open their locks. Poof like majic, its in the Carribean and Gulf of Mexico………… :(


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  • name999 name999

    The censorship is horrible.

    Lots of excellent links here, the credible image of waste spreading naturally around the world.
    Also TEPCO going on the offensive, playing hardball with past employees who had the sense to get the hell out immediately or soon thereafter. TEPCO is trying to marginalize any truth. Stunning.

    I agree with Gasser on the shills reports…a few today and disinformation getting dialed in…credible to those who don't study this closely…


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  • norbu norbu

    Me and my girlfriend walked the beach in SF April 2013 w/Inspector GC the readings were not that high yet. I have sample of sand from the beach from that day. The sample reads 55 cpm 1 hour count, today. It seems fuku waste is starting to accumulate and there is much more on the way. Terrible…
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  • ToBeExpected ToBeExpected

    TEPCO Demands Its Own Employees to Return the Nuclear Accident Compensation Money, Mainichi Shinbun Says

    http://ex-skf.blogspot.fr/2014/01/tepco-demands-its-own-employees-to.html

    If this is true, this is a heinous crime….


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  • If Carrington Events weren't enough, think about what would happen if an Asteroid exploded in air, or hit the earth. In 2013 a planet killing Asteroid made a pass and the Egg Heads didn't even notice until a month later "hey what is that planet killing rock which is flying away from us now?" Jeez, we deserve better.

    I made cool spreadsheet that turns Asteroid Diameter into equivalent atomic bombs going off. The one that missed us in 2013 would have been 4440 Atomic bombs. What would that do towards having 440 nuclear power plants melting down. If the asteroid wasn't an ELE the nuke plants would sure finish the job.

    Free download, check it out.

    http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/01/another-asteroid-enters-earth-with-no.html


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  • name999 name999

    ok, time to watch Godzilla;-]


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  • Gaikokujin Gaikokujin

    HAARP sure destroys ozone but its effects are very small scale when we compare these particles released from Fuku. All those particles have so much energy, they are like little batteries which release energy to everything atom they touch.

    It is just stupid to think, that this energy would not affect the climate. Just if we think that lighting is a great deal of climate and result of ionization.

    We can see now, that the weather is gone crazy worldwide. It might be, that Fuku was also inside job and they are using HAARP and chemtrails to multiply the effects of this but no doubt, the Fuku is the key of this climate control.

    Its green grass in the mid winter here at Seinäjoki and flowers are blooming in southern Finland. Havent seen anything like this before..

    People are into detox and praying. Im not saying it wont help, but why to detox? If you could have no-tox: even at your home.

    This is so simple yet so effective solution. I wonder why this idea hasnt presented in those websites, which cover Fukushima.

    It will save lifes.

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/henri-markku-mikael-lentonen/organic-air-bonsai-ecosystem-boneco/545241222230685


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  • safelyiniowa safelyiniowa

    It is not unusual for beaches to have "hot spots" above background due to separation by water action. The heavier sand tends to accumulate in an area as lighter grains are carried off. The increase is due to the difference in the make up of the sand, usually darker color. Go to the gammaspectrometry group at Yahoo to read about it. You need a gamma spectrometer to identify what the more active isotopes are. Then you can tell if it is natural or man made. Similarly you will get higher readings after a rain. This is due to radon being washed out of the air. Take a reading of an old fashioned CRT tv or video monitor. The high voltage inside attracts radon due to the charge.


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  • safelyiniowa safelyiniowa

    Inexpensive portable gamma spectometry equipment has been developed by people. There are several such projects at gammaspectrometry group on Yahoo. It takes time to learn how to use properly but allows identification of the cause of higher radiation levels. It is the only sure way to identify readings above background but still not high enough to be an obvious risk.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Thank you. Would you please provide a link to the Yahoo Group so we can check it out, get the equipment, & join the discussion?

      Realize there are Moderators for these Yahoo Groups (which is a good idea IMO).

      Thanks.
      HoTaters


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    So, one had better pull out the radiation detector and check the sandy grounds before you spread out the blanket and then decide to lay down… :)


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    • zogerke zogerke

      this article is from 2009 and reflects radiological readings from beaches around the world including about 4 or 5 from the USA, including in california. I do not know how to do the math to convert the readings here (in becquerels) into cpm to compare what is here, to the findings in the article above. anyone want to give it try?

      http://www.shd.org.rs/JSCS/Vol74/No4/11_4121_3847.pdf


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      • Thanks for an excellent pair of links, zogerke.

        That first study included Brazil's #1 beach, and you can get a feeling for what such sand does for a Geiger counter from:

        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=RvgAx1yIKjg

        –and sort of proportion the other beaches in these studies accordingly.

        * "Vital-1" and I agreed (and now with "safelyiniowa"), that the first suspect is that dark sand in the video. The second suspect would be our dumping of radioactive wastes 50 years ago and more.

        * It's being suggested elsewhere that the Fukushima oceanic plume will arrive first along our northern coast. I've got a fair baseline on our nearest Oregon beach (backed up with gamma spectrometry) and my Geiger counter numbers have not gone up at all –per:

        > http://webpages.charter.net/123goto/map.htm#1312

        –but then again, I honestly don't know if the plume will show up on our Geiger counters. I'm stationing at a fixed location on the highest tide line –which I verified (a plus 9 footer), December 31st.

        I usually check these locations well after high tide (but not if it's rained afterwards), so the wet sand this last time might partly explain that unusual dip in my readings. (Background was down as well –several miles to the northeast in Coos Bay.)


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      • Homo Insapiens Homo Insapiens

        Thank you, zogerke. The paper describes samples taken worldwide, including the greater Los Angeles area and Salt Lake City. It predates 2011, so serves as a useful pre-Fuku baseline.


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  • zogerke zogerke

    here is another article, from 2011, beaches in africa and their radiological readings- http://maxwellsci.com/print/rjees/v3-729-736.pdf

    here is a search about radiological readings at beaches….
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gamma+spectrometry+and+beaches

    btw i use duckduckgo instead of google because duckduckgo does not track me and i can block trackers and ads…..and it does not bubble/ screen my responses either.


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  • BassD77

    AS FORCASTED IN ARTICLE from Aug 2013: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/west-coast-of-north-america-to-be-hit-hard-by-fukushima-radiation.html
    Quotes:
    "An ocean current called the North Pacific Gyre is bringing Japanese radiation to the West Coast of North America"
    "…there could be “pockets” and “streams” of highly-concentrated radiation."
    "…radiation on the West Coast of North America could end up being 10 times higher than in Japan"


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Yes, this radiation contamination will be ver bad for all those living 50 to 100 miles from the coastlines. Cancers will skyrocket, especially breast cancers…very sad. :(


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  • pkjn

    130 ‘radioactive’ Japanese cars banned from entering Russia
    January 05, 2014 Russia Today

    More than 130 used cars from Japan were denied access to Russia last year as consumer watchdog agency remains concerned about the contaminated water leaks at Japan’s Fukushima plant.
    Strict control of all cargo, arriving from Japan, will continue in 2014 as well.
    “In 2013, Russia has banned 165 batches of contaminated goods from entering the country. There were mainly used cars – 132, and spare parts for vehicles – 33,” the statement said.

    Leakage of radiation-contaminated water has been the major threat to population and environment of Japan and neighboring states from the very beginning of the crisis at the Fukushima plant, situated just 250 kilometers from Tokyo.
    However, Tokyo Electric did NOT acknowledge that contaminated water was escaping from the Fukushima plant into the ocean, and that it was unable to stop the leaks, until July 2013.

    http://rt.com/news/japan-russia-fukushima-cars-201/


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  • As long as we're swapping survey links (re: zogerke's contributions above), you want a copy of the US Geological Survey's "National Atmospheric Deposition Program" report. It appears to be the real deal on Fukushima sourced fall-out, made independently of the EPA and the NRC:
    > http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2011/1277/report/OF11-1277.pdf

    Then there's:
    > http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2012-08-10/full_text (Berkley Bay Area Rad survey, and it's best to Google: "An Aerial Radiological Survey of the California Bay Area" –for the PDF)


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    • zogerke zogerke

      Craig123- from the first one (just reading it):
      <<Samples from the National Atmospheric Deposition Program were analyzed for the period of March 8– April 5, 2011. Calculated 1 – or 2 – week radionuclide deposition fluxes at 35 sites from Alaska to Vermont ranged from 0.47 to 5,100 Becquerels per square meter during the sampling period of March 15–April 5, 2011.>>

      5100 becquerels/ meter2?????


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  • RAY-D-8-TED-DREAMS

    On the plus side, now you can go to the beach at night and still get a tan.


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  • zogerke zogerke

    Adaptation of National Atmospheric Deposition Program Networks
    On March 14, 2011, within 48 hours
    after the release of radioactive material into the atmosphere at the Fukushima Dai Ichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan on March 12, 2011, the NADP coordinated with the USGS to put a plan in place to measure radionuclide fallout in NADP wet deposition samples.
    NADP/NTN began saving excess unfiltered wet deposition samples with special handling and analysis protocols, beginning with the sample
    collection week of March 8–15, 2011, prior to any documented measurement of radioactive fallout in North America (Leon and others, 2011).
    Sampling and analysis plans (SAPs) were developed and reviewed by USGS and NADP personnel. These plans defined methodology for sample archive, preservation, analysis, and quality assurance for both the filter samples and wet deposition samples.
    The SAPs delineated North America into three regions: western, central, and eastern. Samples were prioritized for analysis by region with the western region given first priority, and the eastern region given last priority. The goal of the prioritization scheme was to analyze samples with the greatest likelihood of containing fission products first, with a particular focus on short lived radionuclides such as I131.
    It was assumed that radionuclide concentrations in wet deposition samples would be proportional to the west to east prevailing wind direction….


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  • zogerke zogerke

    The charts in this first doc you provided document cesium fall out showing up in diff states– I see:
    WI, WA,OR,NY,MI,MD,MT,CO,MN,CA,WY,VA……still reading it thru….


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  • minkxy minkxy

    Hey everyone. Some food for thought…..fuki could be a way to "nudge" people into agenda 21. Something to think about.


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    The new official "we don't want to give a reason for it, accept any responsibility, and don't ask us to explain anything" = BEFUDDLED.

    I've heard of so many befuddled officials, scientists, or media personnel in my entire life. It's like a new contagious disease.

    Q: What was your diagnosis?
    A: Nothing serious, I'm just befuddled. No worries.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      sorry, that was supposed to say, I've never heard of so many befuddled officials, etc., in my entire life.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/befuddled

      "suffering from mental confusion <the perennially befuddled professor was always forgetting where she'd left her glasses>
      Synonyms addle, addled, addlepated, bedeviled, befogged, befuddled, bemused, bewildered, bushed [chiefly Australian], confounded, confused, dazed, distracted, dopey (also dopy), fogged, mixed-up, muddleheaded, muzzy, pixilated (also pixillated), punch-drunk, punchy, raddled, shell-shocked, silly, slaphappy, spaced-out (or spaced), spacey (also spacy), stunned, stupefied, zonked, zonked-out
      Related Words senseless, unconscious
      Near Antonyms alert, conscious
      Antonyms clearheaded, unconfused "


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  • 2014 Beach Sand Radiation Readings; California, Oregon, Washington (800 CPM High Reading); via @AGreenRoad
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2014/01/2014-beach-sand-radiation-readings.html


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