Kaku: Human civilization may destroy itself, “I mean, look at Fukushima” — Liquefication of 3 nuclear reactor cores… First time any core ever liquefied — It’s still out of control, 3/11 disaster could start all over again (VIDEO)

Published: September 29th, 2013 at 9:23 am ET


Title: Michio Kaku interview
Source: Dark Matter
Date: Sept. 16, 2013

At 41:00 in

Art Bell, host: That’s optimism alright. By the way, what about the little trips we’ve had along the way: big earthquakes, nuclear reactors going bonkers, that kind of thing?

Michio Kaku, Protégé of ‘father of the H-bomb’ Edward Teller and earned Ph.D. in nuclear physics from University of California Berkeley: It’s not clear that we are going to make it [to a ‘Type 1’ civilization without destroying ourselves] -– I mean look at Fukushima […] Three simultaneous meltdowns. Do you realize that the core at Fukushima liquefied?  We’ve never seen liquefication of a nuclear reactor core […] 3 liquefications of molten uranium. And you realize we still have not controlled it. They could spiral out of control any day. Small little earthquake and the reactor accident starts up all over again.  […] There’s been a collapse in nuclear energy in the United States. However in Japan […] we have this raging meltdown that’s in a temporary stasis […]

Full interview here

Published: September 29th, 2013 at 9:23 am ET


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140 comments to Kaku: Human civilization may destroy itself, “I mean, look at Fukushima” — Liquefication of 3 nuclear reactor cores… First time any core ever liquefied — It’s still out of control, 3/11 disaster could start all over again (VIDEO)

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    ALERT NEWS Atomic Bomb type Explosion Very Possible at Fukushi

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    TEPCO CanNOT Handle Fukushima, What Are the SOLUTIONS? A
    Jul 18, 2013
    “In this video, Arnie Gundersen and Akio Matsumura, former Japanese ambassador to the United Nations, discuss the continuing crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi site, and come to the conclusion that Tokyo Electric must be removed from the clean-up process. Arnie also discusses his 40 years in the nuclear industry, and how the worst day of that career led him to conclude that a nuclear power plant can have ‘Forty Good Years and One Bad Day.’
    “Full transcript here:
    Note: I moved the first 4:07 minutes to the Ending….”

    • hbjon hbjon

      And what do we have to show for it. Landfills full of disposable junk and junkyards full disposable machines. Another way to see it is that one bad day erases 40 million good minutes of operation. The risk assessment panel was horribly captured by the industry.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    “…AG: I think it’s a great idea. I think we definitely need an international team of really independent experts to go in and outline a logical plan to minimize the exposure to the Japanese people moving forward. The IAEA – International Atomic Energy Agency – claims to be that independent agency because it’s an arm of the UN. But if you look at the Charter, Article number 2 of their charter is to promote nuclear power. Now to my way of thinking, that means you’re not independent. The team of individuals has to be respected by the people of Japan who are going to have to (1) live with the radiation and (2) have to clean up after this. And so to rely on a group who’s trying to promote nuclear power seems to me to be counterproductive. So an international team of experts going in and laying out a plan going forward, to be implemented by somebody other than Tokyo Electric I think is critical. The other piece of that is if that plan is put in place and a large engineering firm is put in to replace Tokyo Electric, the independent team should remain as an overseer of the large international engineering organization. Because the trust of the people in Japan can’t be on a company that also builds nuclear power plants. It would have to be on that independent expert team. That independent expert team could also put pressure on the Nation of Japan’s government to spend the money that’s needed to solve this problem.

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Comment of Anonymous Coward
    User ID: 18027428
    07/31/2013 05:22 PM
    “That linked document also says that the water table was 15 metres under the station. When unit 4 exploded, the document says it was a steam and hydrogen explosion from the Unit 4 corium contacting the water table.

    “That also means that the water table is extremely contaminated and although the subsurface geology of the area means the water table slopes down towards the sea and away from the inland agricultural areas, it's still seeping straight into the ocean which is only 208 metres away.

    “The document also mentions that during one of the explosions which destroyed the fuel pool, fuel rods were ejected into the ocean.

    “The timelines for units 1 through 4 which appear in the document are compelling reading.”


    • Anthony Anthony

      That at least sounds scientifically valid.

    • Unit 4 was not in operation, its core was in the fuel pool so that the containment liner could be repaired. So there is no unit 4 corium flow. The basement sump pumps were out of commission due to the blackout, so the basements were likely flooded. 4 days is long enough for corium to eat through the drywell floor into the basement (to then cause steam/hydrogen explosion), but unit 4 had nothing in the reactor to do that with.

      Perhaps Kaku misspoke, meant unit 3.

      • hbjon hbjon

        Hi JoyB, nice to see you have time to contribute some things to ponder, but I have a problem with the "So there is no unit 4 corium flow" part. I'm no expert when it comes to NPP operation, however it seems logical to me that a "hot core" from a reactor, put into a SFP will require quite a bit more coolant flow to keep entire SFP at its optimum temperature for cooling. If the coolant level drops and exposes the fuel, it will overheat and the zirconium will burn off letting the fuel drop into the lowered coolant level. At that point, all the coolant becomes vaporized and the fuel becomes liquid. The rest of the cores then burn off their boron and zirconium matrix and drop. I'm not gonna spell out the rest because it's just too horrible to contemplate for me right now.

        • You are correct that the operational core being in the fuel pool is a serious consideration. Not so much from meltdown, but for initiated chain reaction. Which wouldn't last very long due to it rapidly boiling off the water, but would last long enough to force everyone into bunkers or off the reservation. Big neutron radiation, no pressure or meaningful shielding.

          But if that had happened in March of 2011 the place would still be smoldering all on its lonesome today (and units 5 & 6 would have joined the party). basically 100% of [6 plus a common] SFP's inventory fission products released. Deal is, Kaku was talking about unit 4's corium flow (as in melt-through of core from reactor vessel to parts unknown – like did happen at units 1, 2 & 3 – and that is simply not the situation at unit 4.

          It could be fissioning enough now that the boron 'blades' are reported missing in action, its' corner of the fuel pool, anyway. But that would be releasing lots of steam (and smoke if the pool's dry), and that's not happening at unit 4. Unit 3's the only one releasing visible steam currently.

      • NoNukes NoNukes

        The source for "Unit 4 was not in operation" is Tepco, the same experienced liars who brought us the primetime reality show, "Cold Shutdown."

        Such lucky coincidences aren't Tepco's strong suit, however. Since the video of the explosions at reactor 4 have been so censored, I believe that it is prudent to assume that there was fuel in reactor 4 at the time, until proven otherwise.

        With all the talk of reactor 4 miraculously escaping the fate of the other reactors, there has been quite an extended effort to convince an audience that the fuel from reactor in particular still exists.

        The question is why? Who are they trying to convince?

        Is the audience us peons, the general public? No, 3 reactors vs. 4, doesn't seem to warrant that much effort for us.

        Maybe another wing of the global mafia would be very upset to learn about the weapons located there were destroyed. Something along these lines.

      • Unit #4 did suffer from at least one melt out from the equipment pool. There are pictures to document all of this.

  • or-well

    So the fuel at Chernobyl didn't liquify? How is liguify different from melt? It certainly "un-solidified" to the point it flowed.

    Kaku says, regarding the Chernobyl fuel "You realise the core is still melting it's way through the earth outside Kiev". Bullshit.

    On Fracking – "So far so good"

    Fuck off, Kaku.

    • mairs mairs

      I thought TMI's melted as well. Partially?

    • Yeah, Kaku's just cashing in on an undeserved reputation as a know-it-all.

      About 30% of the core at TMI2 "liquified," and almost all of Chernobyl's core did the same. "Liquified" is just a physical state descriptor of state change, "melted" works as well when reporting on accidents.

      Difference being that when regular people think of "melt" they usually imagine something like ice cream in the sun where a blob doesn't turn liquid all at once. Reactor fuel, when it reaches a certain temperature, does liquify almost instantaneously. The phase change happens in mere seconds or fractions of a second. The phase change from liquid back to solid takes a lot longer. At TMI2 it may have taken days or weeks (nobody knows), at Chernobyl at least one of the corium flows is still technically molten after 27 years.

      Being in a liquified state does NOT mean the mass is actively melting whatever it is in contact with, as that requires sustained very high temperatures. Corium will actively melt whatever it is in contact with only for as long as it maintains that high of temperature. Given that the Fukushima coriums have been in regular or semi-regular contact with water for two and a half years, it is not likely to still be actively melting the concrete/rock it's in contact with.

      • hbjon hbjon

        Me again. I have to keep testing your guesses JoyB because I always learn something and swerve onto something I can use. Liquid fuel that has been irradiated in a reactor and is not being contained within long tubes of highly heat-resistant materials makes me a bit nervous. Sure there's water down there, but we know by the nature of corium that they do not contact each other. At some point, the crust becomes too thick to dissipate enough heat and we're gonna see a great big earthquake. Please tell me it ain't so.

        • Corium is a metallic (plus whatever minerals and stuff incorporated) lava. It behaves quite like lava or molten metals in general, but carries its own heat source around with it. The more material it's diluted with – concrete, rock, non-fuel metals, sand, etc. – the cooler the mass becomes overall. Corium may still be technically molten for decades, but so far we've never seen any that are still actively melting/incorporating whatever they're in contact with years later.

          "Flash" fission events on the surface of the mass when it comes in contact with water will certainly help keep the lava hot, but because the mass presents only a given surface area, and the interior has no geometry, it's not [ever] going to be producing a sustained fission reaction that could be likened to "re-starting the reactor." The fuel is in a different state altogether. Still hellishly radioactive, but unless critical mass is achieved there won't be big nuke explosion. That's affected by dilution of fuel elements as well. If the molten cores at Fuku were going to go critical mass explosive, they'd have done so awhile ago when the mass was more concentrated.

          The fact that it's in ~constant contact with groundwater means there will be no hydrovolcanic explosion. That too would have happened awhile ago.

          • hbjon hbjon

            You have studied the behavior of molten corium mixing with reactor and earthly materials and your position is that the molten corium will mix like refried beans and cheese in a microwave burrito? I'm saying that they mix like chocolate chip cookie dough with big chunks of walnuts and after a few years of bubble bubble toil and trouble the chocolate chips and walnuts have grown in size and require more cooling because E=MC^2. When N>1 power increases. N=>1 when the mass looses geometry but cools because of flash which naturally dilutes and lessens overall potentiality of corium. Flash=small explosion of walnut or chocolate chip to the point of least resistance from local criticality. They have been happening underground since the beginning imho.

            • Have YOU studied the behavior of corium? I have read available material from various meltdowns and experiments, can't figure out what you're talking about here. Are you saying the mass generates bubbles? What are these chocolate chips and walnuts that grow in size? It's all fast neutrons in there, plenty of decay and decay by fission, but it's not a chain reaction.

              As mentioned, if these were going to go critical mass type explosive criticality, it would have happened early on when they were more compact, hotter and less diluted. There's no reason to think they'd do it now. The only moderation of neutrons is on the surface in contact with water. That is where flash fission events have been occurring all along. And as that crust disintegrates, newer fuel gets presented from the interior.

              None of this suggests anything about a "great big earthquake," though the subduction plate right off shore has sure enough had some of those. The subducted plate is working its way into the mantle. There are plenty of radioactive substances in the mix down there. Always have been. If we could inject all the crap at Fuku directly into it, the mantle wouldn't even notice.

              Reports are that the corium flows are now in contact with groundwater. They've been pouring hundreds of tons of water a day down the blow holes for two and a half years, occasionally hitting the back surface of the flow if nothing else.

              • hbjon hbjon

                If you would like to call it a corium flow than let's be a little more accurate on the dimensions.

                The 3 or 4 separate fuel releases from 3-4 NPP have unified to form a massive China Syndrome that has a molten core at the center that is spherical and has a radius of more than 100 meters.

                Protective crust is over 200 meters thick and is composed of metal, rock, and minerals the corium had borrowed from its surroundings.

                The China Syndrome pays a small price in terms of heat to surrounding material as it falls through earth. Water draws some heat away from the 200 meter thick corium crust. The molten sphere of corium is over 2 KM below the wreckage with residual corium stuck in matrix above it.

                Water from leaky tanks, and underground springs flows over and through parts of the China Syndrome and helps to keep it subcritical. Plutonium and uranium pieces are pushed around within the molten part of the corium until a mass of sufficient size is formed.

                An explosion towards the point of least resistance occurs, this sends corium outward that will ultimately increase the power of the China Syndrome and help it to expand and sink.

                Theoretically, a point of stability is possible, but we must prepare for something big. Likes repel and unlikes attract with great force. I read that Elon Musk sent his child into space on the dragon 9 so that might be indicative of something. Seriously JoyB, you can't deny there is plutonium moving around in a molten matrix of…

                • Sorry, hbjon, but that's nonsense. A spherical mass of enriched reactor fuel 100 meters in diameter is a physical impossibility. It would (nuclear-ly) explode as critical mass well before such a thing ever formed.

                  So you can't reasonable think about what's happening at Fukushima in these terms. What we've got is approximately 400 tons of enriched reactor fuel [per meltdown] that has melted its way through the vessel, the concrete and steel and assorted other rod junk in the drywell, into the basements and possibly beyond. The lava will take the path of least resistance, so once loose in the landfill beneath the plant, it'll follow the water to the sea rather than go straight down to the center of gravity.

                  All of what the flow has passed through along the way that isn't burned to sub-ash immediately is melted and incorporated into the corium mass. Diluting it by that amount of material, thus cooling the corium proportionately. When the corium no longer has the internally generated heat to actively melt what it's in contact with, or to flow with appreciable viscosity, it stops its movement. It can still contaminate the hell out of some ground, air and water, though.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    Do you know more than Uebara Haruo, the designer of Fukushima Reactor No. 3?
                    “And the architect who actually designed Fukushima Reactor No. 3 – Uehara Haruo, former president of Saga University – told popular Japanese news source Live Door on November 17th that (translation courtesy of Fukushima Diary):
                    “’In this interview, [Haruo] admitted Tepco’s explanation does not make sense, and that the China syndrome is inevitable.
                    “’He stated that considering 8 months have passed since [the March 11th earthquake] without any improvement, it is inevitable that melted fuel went out of the container vessel and sank underground, which is called China syndrome.
                    “’He added, if fuel has reaches a underground water vein, it will cause contamination of underground water, soil contamination and sea contamination. Moreover, if the underground water vein keeps being heated for long time, a massive hydrovolcanic explosion will be caused.’…”

                    • I absolutely agree with Haruo that the corium likely got into the ground below the basements. I do not know how many of the flows got that far, or how far outside they got before stopping (if they are stopped yet). It is indeed "China Syndrome" but that is a technical misnomer all by itself. Corium, behaving like any viscous lava, will follow the path of least resistance rather than melt its way to the mantle straight down.

                      It was indeed inevitable, as soon as the EDGs at Fukushima were washed away. Though at least one of the plants would have melted anyway regardless of EDGs, due to major feed-pipe failures caused by the earthquake.

                      It will, regardless of whether it's still in the flooded basements or below, continue to contaminate the hell out of the ocean off Fukushima. There is no way to stop it.

                    • I would have to agree with Haruo's viewpoint as being highly probable.

                      IMO –
                      For all practical purposes it IS the China Syndrome x 3.

                      A simple definition would be:

                      "…melted fuel went out of the container vessel…"

                      …and it's out of control.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      China syndrome..that's the opinion of the Manhattan project fellows.

                      "In 1971, in the article Thoughts on Nuclear Plumbing, former Manhattan Project (1942–1946) nuclear physicist Ralph Lapp used the term "China syndrome" to describe a possible burn-through, after a loss of coolant accident, of the nuclear fuel rods and core components melting the containment structures, and the subsequent escape of radioactive material(s) into the atmosphere and environment; the hypothesis derived from a 1967 report by a group of nuclear physicists, headed by W. K. Ergen.[17]


                      I tend to agree..it is not just mass but also disposition of the material ex-containment.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      And what about "a massive hydrovolcanic explosion will be caused"?

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I would think it could be a great possibility..
                      As venting..has to take place..steam/gases have to be released.
                      The size of release depending on pressure build-up.

                      And of course..if the corium meets..a natural geo-thermal situation..that would greatly increase the problem..as would contact with the magma..IMHO.

                      Changes in the world of geology..are sometimes slow.
                      Just like the Assumption Parish sinkhole..that had renewed seismic activity two days ago..
                      Slowly but surely the surrounding area is becoming instable.

                      In viewing the posts..on the webcam page from last night..it is evident that the 'steaming' is becoming more generalized.
                      There has bee a lot of ground motion of the land fill..and underlying layers.
                      And it looks as though access to this venting ..is becoming easier and easier.
                      And I believe we are looking at an event..perhaps not explosive but hydrovolcanic in nature.

                    • A "massive hydrovolcanic expsosion" has some presumptions that don't apply at Fukushima. First that the corium will go straight down in a linear fashion, essentially "dry" – not in contact with water and not following the paths of least resistance (like, for instance, through a pipe rather than down through concrete and steel).

                      It also presupposes an essentially impermiable caprock layer to hold pressure. Fukushima is built on landfill. With a "River Runs Through It."

                      Corium met groundwater in June of 2011. When we heard tale of geysers and boiling steamaroles erupting from the ground and TEPCO used the inches-thick steel plates it bought for a seawall to cover the ground so workers wouldn't drop dead on the spot. So long as the corium is in sometimes-contact with water, pressure is being released. This makes the Big Blow Out of this geohydrolic explosion scenario iffy at best.

                      It could have happened at Chernobyl, as the plant was actually built on bedrock – granite. It couldn't happen at Fukushima, and didn't. Chernobyl didn't appreciably pollute the ocean. Fukushima is polluting the hell out of it.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                      So, JoyB, you do think you know more than Dr. Ian Fairlie. Uehara Haruo, Michio Kaku, and other nuclear experts.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      If its pressures that are needed, the corium is surrounded by some thousands psi material at this point, regardles its composition, if it went down as fast as some predictions say. On the other hand, we already saw massive explosions that blew the place sky high. The size of any further explosive releases should be able to be estimated on ball park energy quantities. The energy must equibrilate, whether through long term heat exchange or explosion. It ominous that Haruo would give this possibility. On the other hand he WAS dumb enough to design the plant in the first place 😉

                    • Know more about what? I do in fact know more than most people about the technical deceptions rampant in the normal and abnormal operations of commercial nuclear establishments. I earned that the hard way, just like everybody else who might be considered 'expert' on some level.

                      What I know about Fukushima is what I get on the news – just like you – and by comparing that against what I know by having spent some years in the nuclear industry. And by being a 'whistleblower' for what happened at TMI2. That is all I know.

                      But I can for damned sure throw monkey wrenches at their coverup schemes. Because I'm familiar with the game plan.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      But not completely surrounded by..that's the problem..

                    • Why hassle Joy? Uebara Haruo, the designer of Fukushima Reactor No. 3 could not have been a smart man. Look at his reactor now. Typical American to be talking about a real event using terminology coined by the movie industry.
                      To repeat Think of two pots on the stove, one a sealed pressure cooker and the other just a regular pot with lid on. The lid will jump up and down as the water boils off while the pressure cooker if safety valve disabled, will explode as steam cannot escape. The ground is porous. Be nice to Joy because many of us respect and appreciate her informed comments. And her patience with rude people! You don't have to agree with her or me. But you do have to accept that we don't share your opinion.

                  • hbjon hbjon

                    First we need to accept that there can be a spherical molten core within the China Syndrome. Then make a guess at its size. Test that guess with observed phenomenon.

                    Observed phenomenon suggests to me that the China Syndrome has the largest vent coming out of U3.

                    The point of least resistance for 5000 deg. corium is not sideways toward the ocean, but straight down, replacing lighter and less heat resistant materials. I've noticed while prospecting for gold that gold is heavy, and it does not like to travel sideways as much as other lighter materials.

                    If there is ongoing fission like newly found isotopes suggest, than the corium will be much hotter. Heat is produced by alpha decay and SF. The SF seems to be from unstable nuclei bombarded by surrounding alpha emitters. Understandably, SF from irradiated fuel is much more frequent.

                    From my point of view, it is difficult to believe that a China Syndrome of the magnitude we've been talking about, is cold pancakes sitting on/in the floor of a reactor basement. Maybe your right.


                    • Meh. I think of it rather like an octapus. A relatively large mass, with lesser masses radiating out along various least-resistance pathways for various lengths, and probably with branches. Behavior of liquids in given environments.

                      Each branch will steadily lose heat moving through the material, to the point where it's just not hot and viscous enough to go any further. I think that's entirely realistic.

                      What some people don't seem to understand is that the corium is f**k'ing deadly whether it's moving or not. Accepting that the flows may by now be stationary in no way limits their drastic effects on the environment in terms of radioactive elements released. Decay heat sounds minimal on a superficial level, but it's absolutely NOT a minor thing. Might not be enough to keep the mass moving-molten, but it's sure enough bad news to anything it comes in contact with.

                    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

                      I look it as some of both..
                      Reactor 1..a the percentage of material that remained was involved in the melt through
                      Unit 2… the whole of nuclear materials contained..these two ..I particularly assume is a large 'blob..for a better word..

                      I think the corium is venting..through all the units..
                      Unit 3…I believe the material..in unit 3 to be..'hotter'..and went down faster..so at greater depth…perhaps
                      Then there is Unit 4 and the CSFP..corium also venting.

                      Because of the explosion ..I also think there is the..'octopus' concept..as nuclear material went through the destroyed substructure and fractured geology.

                    • hbjon, there cannot be a spherical mass of meltdown mess occurring 'naturally', anywhere on this planet. It does not exist in space, where its own gravity would want to make it spherical. It's in earth and rock in a quantifiable gravity well, where it's going to not look anything like a sphere. "Pancake" is the best you can do, because… gravity.

                      So please stop with the assertion of weapons-inspired impossibilities just to make alarmist (but impossible) points. The true situation is bad enough, honestly.

                    • hbjon hbjon

                      Why is it so hard to understand that heat energy radiates outward and diminishes using the laws of thermodynamics.

                      Therefore, before we factor in gravity, let us map out the flux of heat throughout the melted corium core. I believe we will find that heat diminishes at the same rate as you move away from the center of the highest temperature. Irrespective of the direction you travel within 3 dimensional space.

                      That will create a molten sphere of corium. Add gravity, and the whole mass goes downward until it hits something it cannot penetrate.

                      Then what happens? Wait, you say the heat generation is from the outer edges where corium meets water. No, that doesn't happen. There is too much insulating crust for corium to ever contact water directly imho.

                      The strongest flux of heat generation will occur in regions that have the highest concentrations of fissile material. That will vary as the whole mass drops through the earth.

                      This is why I say the hottest region will be the center and from there the heat dissipates outward with very little pancakification possible.

                • If you have some trouble imagining what I'm saying, this may make it easier. Your basic ~1,000 Mw reactor core is a structure that is right about 30 foot square and 10 or 12 feet tall. I've stood right next to a brand new one once, so I could reach out and touch it (none of it already irradiated).

                  There's considerable framework involved in that structure, and then there are the assemblies themselves with some 60+ fuel rods arranged just so in that assembly's framework. About half or more of the 'size' of that core is spacing, and about half or more of the structure is not fuel – it's metal alloys of this or that variety.

                  So think of the primary core's mass of corium to be about half the 'size' of the original core. Sure it's ~400 tons worth of heavy metal, but that doesn't take up much room when it's all in a puddle.

                  • hbjon hbjon

                    Thanks JoyB for the mental picture. The core you speak of is in fact a marvel of science. With control rods pulled out, just enough neutron capture for a sustained chain reaction occurs n>1. Barely greater than 1. The temperature is controlled with coolant. Let me echo the important fact that when the reactor melts it doesn't take up much room when it's all in a puddle. What do you do for an encore?

            • Sure, all the reports from Fukushima might be bullshit. But I see no reason to lie to make yourself look WORSE than is really the case. They're now admitting there's no way to control the flow of groundwater to the ocean, or to divert the groundwater from the corium (and other contamination sources) for the foreseeable future. Groundwater is coming up in the lagoon – must have cracked the concrete they laid – and outside the lagoon farther offshore. The tanks are leaking, they're still pointlessly pouring hundreds of tons of water a day down the blowholes, they've got no place to put it anyway.

              The concrete and sand and rock and whatever that corium melts into itself on its way to wherever it's going does not magically turn into uranium or plutonium when it becomes part of the mass. It dilutes the uranium and plutonium by the amount of its own mass. The further it melts, the more mass it incorporates, the less heat it can generate to keep the mass hot enough to actively melt more stuff into itself. It will always be deadly, but it won't keep going forever. That's physics., both nuclear and thermodynamic.

              • hbjon hbjon

                If dilution occurs the way you propose it does, than your right about the power diminishing over time and expansion. But, and there is always a great big BUT.

                Irradiated fuel pays a very small price in terms of heat to its surrounding matrix of matter. The fuel has pu and other transurans in it. It does have neutron absorbing impurities and poisons in the corium as well. Though it's unclear if an enrichment process unknown to physics can occur under these extreme conditions. Zirconium is a good neutron absorber, but Mr. Gundersen says the Zircalloy burns off.

                JoyB. Do you dispute that 1 gram of the glue that holds nucleons together has the same heat potential as 2000 tons of coal? How do you dilute anything into that to make it cool? Concrete, sand, and rock make it safe? The China Syndrome doesn't need to magically turn rock into uranium, uranium has the innate power to turn rock into lava.(and it pays a small price in terms of energy to do it)

                • hbjon, there is a concept that I learned at Three Mile Island while working health physics there in the immediate aftermath of its meltdown. The Navy nukes I worked with all understood it, and were very patient in explaining.

                  It's termed "fissioning-out." Reactor fuel is replaced on a rotating -but relatively short – schedule because after a few years its relatively minor percentage of fissionable isotopes have already fissioned and it loses efficiency in the chain reaction and control departments. Not counting the produced plutonium, of course, since breeding plutonium was the reason for 'modern' reactor design. Even if your whole core doesn't melt, a decently severe transient where the reactor is "out of control" for any appreciable length of time will end with a core that's basically "fissioned-out." The utility's gonna need a whole new core if it's allowed to replace and continue operation.

                  Some isotopes decay by fission, but a chain reaction needs water to slow the neutrons, and even that needs some geometry for isotope proximity in order to sustain. Corium only experiences what can be called chain reaction on the surface exposed to water. And that's limited to the isotopes exposed to water. That's how it works.

                  IOW, a melted mass of corium is not the same thing as a geometrically arranged collection of fuel. It's just not. Decay heat is corium's issue, not fission chain reactions.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

                    Some people have reported that the radioactive releases at TMI were much greater than reported and that there were far more health consequences than admitted.

                    What is your position?

                    • TMI2 was far, far worse than 'officials' of any variety ever cared to admit. I was scheduled as a witness in the federal class action suit, for more than 2,000 people who hadn't already been bought off by Metropolitan Edison. Testified on behalf of the same people before both Congress and the NRC before that lawsuit was ever filed.

                      Yes, very great harm was done. Though nothing like Chernobyl, or Fukushima. Which [Fuku], I'd bet the farm, is going to prove so harmful that the government of Japan will fall before a significant percentage of the people harmed ever see a dime in compensation.

                    • …because we knew what the release figures were. BEFORE Met-Ed, GPU, NRC, or even the on-site contracted coverup expert could falsify the record or 'lose' the sample entirely so it never got recorded. They had all sorts of nifty ways of covering up the truth, and they used pretty much all of 'em.

                      My hub was the guy who did the sampling. My job was just to keep the record of doses to workers, etc. That involved some nifty 'losings' too…

                    • This has always been nuke industries ace up the sleeve that most people have no geiger counters no technical knowledge of anything nuclear and a lethal cancer causing dose is completely invisible and tasteless. All information is owned by the company and government generally supports this coverup as nuclear technology sleeps with the army. Anne, a massive hydrovolcanic explosion wont happen in my opinion because the ground is porous. Think of two pots on the stove, one a sealed pressure cooker and the other just a regular pot with lid on. The lid will jump up and down as the water boils off while the pressure cooker if safety valve disabled, will explode as steam cannot escape. It wont happen now as corium has cooled somewhat and diluted somewhat as stuff corium ate through melts and stays with corium. There have been stories of steam venting through cracks in soil at the melt through site.

                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks


                  • Kassandra

                    In March 2011, physicist F. Dalnoki-Veress of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies posted his analysis of the possibility of ongoing and uncontrolled fission activity at the plant.

                    Dalnoki-Veress concluded from data on 13 neutron beam detections at Daiichi that pockets of melted fuel were producing transient criticalities, or nuclear fission events, significant enough to create the observed beams.

                    He argued that the transient criticalities producing the beams are distinct from normal radioactive decay. He warned that TEPCO should be ‘aware of the possibility of transient criticalities when work is being done.’


                    • "Neutron beams" is being near a fissioning mass of fuel. Those at Fukushima early on were horrifying. Open air fission, or pure decay neutrons exiting at close to the speed of light from melting fuel assemblies in piles of rubble on the ground… Just wow.

                      This is the kind of information that managed to get loose early on (before the coverup 'experts' were in place) that let everybody who knows anything know the situation was beyond dire. A nuke's worst nightmare.

                      Funny how that all got minimized over time, isn't it?

                    • Thanks for posting, Kassandra. Sure minor criticalities two years ago. But not a "China Syndrome" type event. All these ideas of a massive explosion might well have some merit but it hasn't happened yet. But less dramatic is the knowledge that three melted out uncontrolled too radio active to move coriums are somewhere underneath the reactors at least partially contacting an underground river draining into the Pacific. Japan is poisoning the Pacific, something it doesn't own, effectively robbing food from our childrens children.
                      I don't want to support this country anymore as they are not doing the right thing and further lie to us.

                    • Thank-you Joy for focussing on whats important. Us non science folk don't need to know the details. What happened at Fukushima was never supposed to happen. But it did. Vast poisons have been released in the air but now are continuing to be released into the sea. It won't be diluted like all those science guys say. Why? Because those science guys are more greedy then smart more career oriented then altruistic and the bottom line is as Joy stated, as I have researched, professional cover up experts are on the job.

                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      If the criticalities are history, as you claim, Joy and Mark, then where is all the I-131 coming from?

                      The fuel has not fissioned out, the criticalities are not minor, and they are on-going.

                      "The criticalities INCREASE the inventory of radionuclides at Fuku. They create new isotopes. This is what Tepco is lying about… IODINE…You would think that the radioactivity at Fuku would be DECREASING with emissions & decay, but it is INCREASING. THIS is why I pay so much attention to iodine. It is the CRITICALITIES which are the main problem."


                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      "Radiation plume after Japanese earthquake. Iodine-131 cloud reached France.

                      In a previous discussion Iodine-131 from latest criticality it was noted that the iodine spike in Chiba prefecture sludge was deposited in the period August 7 through August 20. According to CRIIRAD, Montélimar, France had spikes in alpha and beta atmospheric radiation on September 4-7. Rhône river water in Avignon showed a spike in iodine-131 on Sept. 7."

                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      Iodine-131 from latest criticality.
                      Posted on September 2, 2013


                    • Thanks, Mark. People who don't know much about radiation and contamination sometimes tend to go off on doomsday tangents that in the end make the reactionaries look like… reactionaries. I very much understand the reaction – I'm a mother and a grandmother, we're fierce absolutely if we need to be, and emotions play a large part.

                      But if you've ever been on the 'inside' looking out, it's really a different picture. The absolute horror – and it is nothing less – of knowing how bad a nuclear incident is, is almost paralyzing in its worse-than-Hollywood true nature. One either bows to the 'authoritarian' uber-power of the almighty dollar to pretend you know nothing, or you blow the whistle as loud as you possibly can.

                      I have some respect for those who try to sound an appropriate public alarm. I've done that myself. But even there I sometimes find hyperbole, and I honestly do think the truth is far, far worse. If it were known. Which it seldom is, and hyperbole doesn't help.


                    • NoNukes, I'd strongly suspect the criticalities you're talking about are happening in the spent fuel pools. Most likely in number 4.

                      I noticed a week or ten days ago that they're again focusing dire pronouncements (usually sandwiched in between layers of bullshit centering on corium or other concerns) per the #4 SFP. The one with the most recent active core in it.

                      Thus I'm guessing there's a real issue there, real-time right now. That is very scary indeed.

                    • NoNukes NoNukes

                      Fukushima open air fission? Radiation surge can’t be blamed just on random leaks

                      Chris Busby: …"that means something is fissioning very close to the Pacific and it is not inside the reactors, it must be outside the reactors in my opinion."

                    • Kassandra

                      I agree with NoNukes that there are ongoing criticalities at the site.

                      Optimal Prediction points out that CRIIRAD detected yet another spike of short-lived Iodine-131.

                      About a month ago a South Korean scientist pointed to Daiichi as responsible for recent xenon detections

                      The sources could be the spent fuel pools, although we know that unit 4's pool has burned at least once, and probably more times.

                      The common spent fuel pool has emitted quite a bit of steam over the last 5 months

                      Then there is an area in the foreground of the red-and-white crane on the Tepco cam that seems to be the source of heavy, very hot emissions.

                      I think the biggest risk is failure of cooling, which would result in the site going up in flames.

                      Cisco thinks that is inevitable. She may be correct.

                      PM Kan warned of cascading nuclear dominoes. That ELE risk remains viable.

                    • Kassandra, I do not understand this emphasis some wish to put on current criticalities, as if they must be happening underground rather than in the SFPs.

                      What is in the ground does 'flash' fission here and there, but that's in no way necessary in order to present a dire scenario per contamination that's escaping. Fission will produce iodine and xenon and some other isotopes short-lived (so you know it's fission), but the worst of it is still there in the corium even if it isn't fissioning, I promise. The short-lived stuff they're measuring is much more likely to be coming from fission in the spent fuel pools, if for no other reason than that they're detecting it. They aren't monitoring the coriums at all.

                    • Kassandra

                      I don't know whether the criticalities are occurring under ground or in the spent fuel pools. The remains of unit 3 seem pretty active on the webcam.

                      I think the point is the site is become HOTTER, which could compromise ongoing efforts to keep the fuel in the pools cooled.

                      (More) Spent fuel pool fires are indeed the biggest risk I see.

                    • It's sure enough a fully qualified God-Awful mess, Kassandra. I also don't think it matters where the fission's happening (and it's been happening all along). Just wish to make a distinction because open-air above the ground fission is relatively worse than flash fission events underground. Apart from the releases of that, and those are of course deadly.

                      Alas, there is quite honestly nothing to be done about the underground stuff, escaping to the sea. Maybe five years from now they'll have an up-hill dike for the groundwater. What the corium flows now bathed in groundwater are releasing right now is enough to cause way more than just grey hair…

                      Open air fission is the real dragon here. Relatively speaking. Geez, I hate to always end up qualifying everything as 'relative'. Problem with nukes is that everything actually is 'relative'…

                    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

                      wanted to thank you JoyB, for the exquisite analysis of the renegade coriums. Given the geology of site, the "octopus" analogy is most fitting.

                      I've been listening to Kaku since the seventies and noticed he has a tendency to 'work the rubes'. I don't buy into the scenarios of hyper-nuclear explosions. I'm more inclined to believe we're to be treated to a slow – lingering – death; a fitting justice for a species who disregarded all others…

                      Thank you again, JoyB, for the measured thoughts…

      • J.

        I find Kaku troubling. Self-promotion seems to be his reason for being. I'm not convinced he's the brain he's claimed to be, and his glib sound-bites make me distrust his judgment. I appreciate that he's solidly anti-nuclear power, though, and I'm glad that he uses his visibility to make clear that Fukushima is a truly horrible mess.

        • or-well

          I am a science talking-head honey,
          I hop around media like a big bunny,
          I give good soundbites, right on the money.
          What's your audience want? Scary or funny?
          Did I mention my new book that's coming?

          Sorry to coattail you J.
          Just ignore me.

  • dka

    no one wants to pay anything.
    The nuclear industry also prefers that the costs of nuclear appear far less than they really are.

    • Anthony Anthony

      You cant even get industry insurance proper in their industry! The govt knows this and they take and place that very risk on the backs and lives of the unwary taxpaying citizens. It is not right all the way around.

      • In Japan, there is no more nuclear plant insurance, period.

        NO ONE will insure them anymore over there.

        It is only a matter of time before the same thing happens everywhere else too.

        Guess who picks up the cost and risk AGAIN?


        The profiteers and gangsters run off with the profits, and leave the mess behind for everyone else to pay for; up to 1 million years.

        Is it worth it?

  • byron byron

    Explosion perhaps but not a lot more than what we got with number 3, I think. If abandon and units 5 and 6 have not been unloaded, sure those could do something serious like 3 or 4 if the water dries up.
    We've heard nothing about them. Best they've probably done is cold shutdown? But still need cooling. Are they the same design with raised pools up in the air? Two more explosions in reserve just waiting to happen then.

    • hbjon hbjon

      But all the ingredients of a catastrophe are not present like what happened on 3/11. Damaged roads, chaos, tsunami, no power, back-up coolant transmission lines, etc. You may not even call your boss let alone show up for work if your family is surfing a 100 foot tall tsunami.

  • @51:09

    Art Bell, host: "So, are people going to lose their lives trying to get Fukushima under control… eventually?"

    Michio Kaku, Ph.D. nuclear physics: "If they do what the Russians did… they'll order hundreds of thousands of people to go in just for a minutes a piece and turn the screws and open the valves and begin the cleanup operation."

    He did not really answer the question.

      • No, he didn't. Nobody needs to "turn the screws and open the valves and begin the cleanup operation." The fuel pools are (so far as we know) holding water. Cleanup at the facility almost exclusively involves getting the spent fuel out of them or bringing them down and their building structures down and burying them quickly. As in a few hours. There is nothing to be done about the coriums or the groundwater rising from the ocean bottom carrying gross contamination.

        The spent fuel is in water. The coriums are in water. Kaku doesn't know what he's talking about.

        • As Kaku says, they are hanging on by their fingernails, and it is OUT OF CONTROL.


          No way to fix it, no way to stop it.

          A 100 foot tsunami wall of radiation coming out of there, in all directions.

          If Fukushima were on a US river, no one could drink out of it downstream, according to Arnie Gunderson.. see our article link above for more details.

          THAT IS A MEGA NUCLEAR DISASTER, without any end in sight.

          And the Japanese are not taking it seriously. They are playing around the edges, minimizing it, saying they have solutions..

          THEY DON'T!

          Kaku is spot on.. This needs 100,000s of people daily, not 2,000 or zero on weekends.

          This needs the global community to solve it, not a few Japanese only experts, getting no bid contracts on the government dime.

          • captndano captndano

            Here's the only option I can see(and by no means am I an expert).
            By the reports I've read, up to 3 coriums of 3 reactors have left the bldgs. There is no way you can retrieve that stuff once it's on its way down. So, as I see it, the best thing to do is make sure it's headed as far down into the earth as possible.
            So, my idea is to enlist a fracking firm to drill down as far as possible below the corium blobs in order to create a 'path of least resistance'. The corium should naturally then follow the hole downward. Once it's down to a depth that is as far down as humanly possible, pump the hole full of cement and cap it off.
            Like I said, I'm no expert, but I don't see any other solution. 🙁

          • Hundreds of thousands of people to do what, exactly? Pile themselves up as a biological shield wall? Eat a fuel pellet apiece? You touch on the truth – there is nothing that can be done about some of the most serious issues coming from Fukushima. How does hundreds of thousands of people doing not much of anything translate into 'better than' 2,000 people not doing much of anything?

            This is just the drip-drip of information about a disaster so dire we will never see the end of it. They'll come in every few weeks or months to say something pat about what they're not doing, or planning to not do, but that's really about it. They're just meting out data about our new world pollution situation. Because if they were honest right from the start all of the reactors in the world would be shut down permanently by now and none would be planned. The cash flow to the cartel would have been cut off, and the money better spent on whatever meager mitigation efforts could have maybe made a bit of difference.

        • NoNukes NoNukes

          NRC Transcript – TEPCO relayed information Unit 4 SFP Dry – Walls collapsed and incapable of holding inventory – Unit 3 “everything else gone” –

          "CHUCK CASTO: I think that we’re making progress on getting involvement and suggestions. TEPCO is reaching out to us now on the designs of the mitigating systems. And John and all the guys are putting together a design, and we’re working on it.

          NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: Yes. So, again, just to repeat, we believe pool No. 4 is dry, and we believe one of the other pools is potentially structurally damaged?

          NRC CHAIRMAN JACZKO: I’m not going to get into that level of detail. I mean the relevant factor is it’s dry.

          CHUCK CASTO: Yes, and they can’t maintain inventory at all.


      • I thought the key words in the sentence were….

        "they'll ORDER hundreds of thousands of people"

        Even the likelihood of such a thing goes beyond any sort of normal comprehension.

        😉 Obviously, that many volunteers might be hard to come by.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Michio Kaku makes Bill Nye look like a scientist…

    Any real scientist would have spoken up seriously early on.

    Every scientist wants to change the world.

    But, they never seem to take charge when the world changes…

    • He did speak up early on, when no one else was. He called it a 7 event, when everyone else was 2,3 or 5.

      He said early on; hanging on by fingernails; spot on…

      Some details may be wrong.. no one is perfect there, not Arnie, not Helen, not even us.. but he is calling it as he sees it, and he sees it clearly in a big picture way…

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Kaku used some key words for the peasants in that line and very telling for Bobby!

    The key word is "ORDER"
    "they'll order hundreds of thousands of people to go in just for a minutes"

    Bobby has had enough!

    Shut all these "Nuclear Rattle Traps Down Worldwide" immediately!

    If you don't shut them down now?

    Many more Bobby's will be "ORDERED" by the hundreds of thousands to cleanup their messes each year and millions more will die!

    • or-well

      You can be ordered
      and you can be threatened,
      your assets stolen,
      your family imprisoned,
      but no one can make you use your limbs,
      unless you relate your Self to the the Sims!

      Sims = video game "virtual" people.

      I know, dream on or-well, "they" can make "us" do what they want.

    • +1

      You are again wise obewanspeaks.

  • rogerthat

    I think that hoping that some knight in shining armour will ride to the rescue of planet earth is misplaced. The die is cast, the script written and approved. What Tepco, the governments of the US, Japan, other big Western nuclear plant operators and uranium producers like Australia and Canada is purely cosmetic, and will remain so. They know there is nothing to be done. To them minimising the damage means minimising the political and economic consequences; that means we're all mushrooms, doomed to be kept in the dark until we die. No-one is going to try to fix this because in the end it's unfixable, doesnt matter that it is also fatal. A few of the gaggle of talking experts, among them if i recall Ken Buesseler, have already said that if it all ends up in the ocean that may in the long run be the best solution. Tepco knows it can't keep on endlessly building new temporary tanks and reservoirs to store highly contaminated water; where will it put them? And they will all end up falling to pieces anyway. Unless highly radioactive water is allowed to flow into the sea, the site will become uninhabitable, everyone will have to be evacuated and the nuclear fires will resume anew. Good old Iori Mochizuki of Fukushima Diary is on top of this. He is paying attention to the fact that Tepco will run out of storage capacity in mid-November; that the idea of an ice wall is pie in the sky; that the ALPS decontamination system is a failure …

    • Until humanity puts away the global suicide toys and the nuclear weapons of mass destruction, NO ONE is coming to save us.

      We have to grow up and become mature, peace loving members of the Galactic community, or die by suicide.

      They give us 1 chance out of 100 at this point.

      Will we make it? Who will step up to try and make a difference?

      It only takes a few..

      Our future is bright and the promises of joining a much larger galactic community are there, but we have to move from being a violent teenager ready to push the nuclear button at any given drunken/drugged/accidental moment, into a peace loving global community.

      THEN, WE WILL MAKE OPEN CONTACT on a massive scale and get the toys that civilizations advanced 25,000 years beyond us have to offer.

  • rogerthat

    … that there will soon be 2000 fewer workers at the site. Abe says the government will take charge, but there is no budget, they are still trying to appease the elephant with a handful of peanuts. So I suggest people get used to the idea that their arses are toast, and behave accordingly – get up to speed on the effects of long-term exposure to radiation, take evasive action if you can, and if you hear the words ''no immediate health effects'', RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I hope this "Multiple Nuclear Core Melt Down Event" is not the beginning/starting point of Edgar Cayce's vision..

    Edgar Cayce – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    • micky thered micky thered

      I might be mistaken, but didn't he claim that people would evolve a ductless gland to deal with radiation ? – or did I just dream it.

  • Jebus Jebus

    It's as plain as the sunshine.
    Two and a half years. Right now, the top nuclear "professionals" are involved in Fukushima. In more ways than one. Right now, supercomputers are modeling, top nuclear engineers are looking at drawings, emails are being sent, the nuclear physicists are excited.
    Fukushima continues. Two and a half years. Many more to go.
    The things I see are talking heads, vigorously scratching, always creating more questions and Fukushima spewing more radionuclide contamination each hour.
    The things I hear are, "huh!, thats a of radiation", "unprecedented", "orders of magnitude", "no immediate harm", "monitors shut down" and, "bioaccumulate".
    The thing I feel is that humans have aptly named the game changer.
    I need to turn to my brothers and sisters and say it.
    There comes a point in every game where it doesn't matter how you play it anymore, no matter which side you're on.
    Where are we at in the game?

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    This is a Nuke Puke Game that nobody can win and yes everybody/anyone that plays this Nuke Puke game….Loses Big Time~Every Time! 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁

    Only "Fools" play such a game!

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    There have been so many lies. How do we know for sure that there was no fuel in #4 reactor? How do we know for sure that there were not MOX fuel rods or pure plutonium experimental rods or a nuclear weapons plant at Unit #4?

  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    And Kaku is the mouthpiece for TPTB. I suspect that whatever he says, whether accurate or not, is what TPTB want us to believe for whatever purposes they may have.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    The world has limped along now for thousands of years based on one lie placed right on top of another lie and then on top of another lie and so on…a couple of more are being told right now.

    All if not most of these compounding lies over these thousands of years have been concerning the control of the human mind/thought process in such a way as to guarantee the direct funneling of money/control into specific areas/directions desired that it go by those at the top of the money/control pyramid.

    This process is as old as all the Earth's civilizations that have ever been/resided on this planet.

    Unless we break/shake up this money/control paradigm more Nuclear Power Plants will explode destroying more of the Earth's habitat and future resources.

    Mother Nature does not like what we humans are now doing to her paradise that she shared/gave/handed over to us for safe keeping.

    The money changers/controllers better wake and they need to do it very soon……

    • Money changers you say? Theres a nasty white man story of a man hung to a tree to die for turning over the money changers table. Only also this man grew his hair long advocated for peace and love between all never could hold on to a steady job turned water into wine for weddings. A wedding entertainment coordinator I believe healed and helped the sick and poor welcomed all and lastly hang around lewd women.
      So dont disturb the money changers.

      • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

        It appears he was not very successful..

        • He was not looking at it from a practical point of view but from a spiritual point of view. He made his life into a story shared by generations over a millenia. Without spending a penny he got more PR then any amount of money could buy yesterday or today.
          From a spiritual point of view the story is one of the greatest success stories in history.

          • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

            You would be right and wrong in the same context and yes the story is very old and was laid out in such a fashion purposefully and for a reason with intent and it (this story) has controlled/shaped many millions of minds.. I say!

            Is the world/ecosystem/biosphere better off or worse off since this story originally unfolded thousands of years ago?

  • Maybe Kaku is alluding to the underground water bleeding radiation from the breeched cores into the Pacific? You know these media guys. They dont rock the boat lest they lose the pay cheque.

  • razzz razzz

    Art Bell is the moron here by referring to Daiichi as going "bonkers" and if you have gone to college you say "liquefied." Bell is downplaying the disaster with his own style vocabulary, a gloss over, he is actually not that stupid.

    10 sieverts 200 feet up on the exhaust stack is a certain death area.

    Links pertaining to 5&6, more questions than answers…

    TEPCO is giving up on Unit 3's steam, they still have to inject nitrogen into all 3 melted reactors, the containments leak so they can't flood and shield the radiation and if they resort to air cooling in the future the radiation must be sealed off from the environment somehow. Having parts of the melted cores underwater for proper removal doesn't seem possible.

    Most of 3's explosion debris fell in the harbor and around the plant so they bulldozed the roadways clear and dumped the radioactive debris into the harbor then poured a concrete cap on top of it.

    They don't do proper testing and readings around the plant or in the ocean and modify their testing to skew the numbers to lower readings or don't report high numbers at all. If sensors near the cores report high temps they are deemed 'broken' and taken out of commission…A very sorry state of affairs.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The thing about theorists is..that theory has it's limitations in the field of science..the majority of the rest of scientific speculation is related to FACTS.

    In consideration to the depth of disinformation we are up against…remaining as factual as possible is absolutely required.

    Sept.27 2013


    Under the 'show more'tab..someone is laying out some serious numbers.


  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar anne

    Fukushima: “China Syndrome Is Inevitable” … “Huge Steam Explosions”
    “Massive Hydrovolcanic Explosion” or a “Nuclear Bomb-Type Explosion” May Occur
    “…Nuclear expert Dr. Ian Fairlie – former scientific secretary to the United Kingdom government’s Committee Examining Radiation Risks from Internal Emitters, who advises the European Parliament as well as local and national authorities in several countries – told Dr. Helen Caldicott:
    “’Really it’s just a matter of time before it [the corium] goes through and into the bottom of the actual station itself. And if it ever hits ground, well… there’s a lot of water sloshing around there, if molten fuel gets into that water it will immediately flash to steam and you will have huge steam explosions going on.
    “’I’m not ruling out a nuclear bomb-type explosion”.
    “And the architect who actually designed Fukushima Reactor No. 3 – Uehara Haruo, former president of Saga University – told popular Japanese news source Live Door on November 17th that (translation courtesy of Fukushima Diary):

    “’In this interview, [Haruo] admitted Tepco’s explanation does not make sense, and that the China syndrome is inevitable.
    “’He stated that considering 8 months have passed since [the March 11th earthquake] without any improvement, it is inevitable that melted fuel went out of the container vessel and sank underground, which is called China syndrome.

  • ftlt

    KAKU is being a charlatan and an opportunist here.. The only question is – is how much did they pay him to say it… He is not a theoretical physicist – he is a for hire theatrical physicist.

    He lost my respect through his chameleon behavior on different media appearances early on with this disaster… Playing dumb down for his employers pay and not telling the truth….

    HEY KAKU!!!! F**F OFF AND DIE!!!

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    I like Kaku and he seems like a very likable guy and I think he has let the cat out of the bag on the direction (s) these brainiacs, whom are working in tandem, want to take us all in the future.

    Now with that said, we had all better pay better attention to the secretive programs they are actually laying out and applying here on Planet Earth.

    He wants us to all get along so we can advance as one species to what he and others believe we can achieve as a developing supposedly intelligent species. I think he sees the Nuclear Problem as a direct threat to achieving these stated future goals..

    Of course he does want to sell books by then money currently rules our entire world…

    • We Not They Finally

      Yes it comes back as love of gold is perhaps the original sin…Love of humanity perhaps love of Self would lead us elsewhere…Time is fleeting…Soon there will be fewer and fewer opportunities to alter mankinds fate as extinct rubbish.Not to mention the lost planet earth a rogue planet traveling alone through space until it crashes into another solar sysytem another galaxy….whats left of humanity the ultimate scavangers living deep in the earth staying warm terrified and horrified.

  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    oops.."but" then money currently rules our entire world…

    • ftlt

      Obe: I will never forgive him for his appearance on Science Friday on NPR late in 2011 and his cave in to """moderation"" there –

      He was saying totally different BS stuff in his interview than he was giving on say – the Pacifica Network… He knows where his bread is buttered… Screw him

      He pushes his books on NPR all the time as a regular there – he had to be careful

      • bo bo

        'Science Friday' – where all nuclear issues are presented gingerly as 'topics that peak intellectual curiosity', and sense of urgency is completely downplayed

        • bo bo

          Ira Flatow who runs the show also was or still is the 'in-house scientist' (whatever that means) for Westinghouse

          • ftlt

            You got that all right BO

            NPR over the 20 years has become more and more of a tool to Empire…

            Its focus on Wash. DC is like the new daytime soap opera

            • bo bo

              NPR – Nuclear Propaganda Radio

              Daily lollipop supply for the curious mind… always making sure they don't get 'too curious'

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Theory..here's another..a discussion about using a neutron bomb at Fukushima..

    "There may be an alternative to a neutron bomb. NASA is developing space propulsion systems that utilize neutrons. They have ways of producing a continuous stream of neutrons as well as reflecting and directing them. Maybe something like this could be used over the Fukushima plant. It would not be a millisecond approach like the neutron bomb would be, but would need to be activated over a longer period of time. [But on second thought, he said: "Not enough flux. It would take years.
    It's just not a good option. Well, let me state it another way. The amount of nuclear material needed and the length of time required would need to be understood. This is not something that you try without extensive knowledge of the consequences. I don't like the idea of trial and error with Japanese assets and Japanese lives.]

    From what he understands (not sure), the reason a person turns to dust in a neutron bomb event is that the neutron hits hydrogen and thermalizes it, essentially evaporating the water in an instant."

    A Neutron Bomb would NOT Neutralize Fukushima


  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    PS..Not enough flux…

    • hbjon hbjon

      Pictures can be real or propaganda. Don't know exactly what the man is holding in his hand but if it was irradiated fuel should he be wearing a full body suit and respirator?

      • hbjon hbjon

        Horrifying pictures if they are what they're portrayed to be. Probably associated with untold dead cleanup workers making minimum wage to feed their families. The humanity.

      • bo bo

        hbjon – I just read in your link someone's comment explaining that photo (buried in between comments by shills explaining hormesis) : for experimental purposes the scientist in the photo used something called inert uranium dioxide, which is incapable of sustaining fission. That photo of corium in Chernobyl though… can't imagine… was that taken by a human being…?

    • J.

      This is priceless. Thanks for it. I wonder whether A. Gunderson has seen this. It suggests to me that researchers probably do know, with a high degree of certainty, whether or not the coriums remain within the buildings. If so, and if the facts are being suppressed, I think the degree of anger globally will end NPPs.

  • We Not They Finally

    anne if there is a major hydro volcanic explosion in Japan theyll be celebrating the Olympics in Japan in heaven

  • AB AB

    Time to send in THE WOLVERINE!