Michio Kaku on Spent Fuel Pool No. 4: People don’t realize it’s on a knife’s edge — Near the tipping point (AUDIO)

Published: May 14th, 2012 at 11:17 am ET
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Interview with Michio Kaku
Flashpoints (KPFA)
May 9, 2012

Fukushima reactor 4 still threatens the world as we know. We’ll spend the hour with Dr. Micio Kaku.

At ~3:00 in

People don’t realize that the Fukushima reactor is on a knife’s edge. It’s near the tipping point.

A small earthquake, another pipe break, another explosion, could tip it over and we could have a disaster much worse, many times worse than Chernobyl. It’s like a sleeping dragon.

An interesting 10 minute interview — though some information, such as the camera and water level data inside Reactor No. 3, appears to contradict known reporting.

h/t Pu239

Listen to the broadcast here

Published: May 14th, 2012 at 11:17 am ET
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23 comments to Michio Kaku on Spent Fuel Pool No. 4: People don’t realize it’s on a knife’s edge — Near the tipping point (AUDIO)

  • Mr. Scott Mr. Scott

    It's grim, lads and lassies, but don't be frightened or depressed into inaction. Sign on to this:

    URGE PRESIDENT OBAMA TO ACT FORCEFULLY AND ACT NOW TO PREVENT A SECOND FUKUSHIMA DISASTER:

    http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5502/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=10645

    It only takes a minute. Might do no good, but it's better than just fretting.


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    • AFTERSHOCK AFTERSHOCK

      Thanks Mr. Scott. I'm looking over this petition, which so far, looks good. I saw another last week that was a joke. It requested our support and financial resources without any compromise, on the part of the nuclear power industries. I'd ask that people not get snookered into blindly supporting any effort to address this issue, without first asking what the other side is bringing to the table. They created this nightmare, they should also be required to make sacrifices. And lets not kid ourselves. If and when this latest 'incident' is resolved (and hopefully it will be to all our satisfaction), let's not find ourselves once-more looking at another. If we want these seemingly endless nightmares to end, then we have to demand our own terms before giving our support. We now have the power to do so! It's only a matter of what we want to see on the table. I'd start with the immediate shutting-down of all Mark I and II reactors. That's a reasonable start and a sign from them that they're getting the message…


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    • Net

      Mr. Scott, Thanks for being proactive. I hope it works because we need to prevent any and all future nuclear accidents. It is very unfortunate that most politicians ESPECIALLY Obama have the nuclear power industries in their back pocket. They are "in Bed" with them.
      Fukushima linked to Obama's campaign contributors:
      http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/intrnational/2011/10/19/1268.html


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  • weeman

    Get your houses in order, don't dilly dally and lets get started, no use putting off what has to be done,let us use this disaster to get the whole world on one page with cooperation and welfare of each other as prime directive


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Admin, I can't get this file to load.

    Is there some kind of special player required? What is the file format?


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  • Melted fuel pool 4 (MFP-4) will almost certainly prevent access to reactors 5 and 6, of which we know almost nothing, or at least have been treated as if they don't exist. My thought is Daiichi will prevent access to Daiimi, and so on down the line.

    There is so much secrecy, and disinformation as to make planning impossible.


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  • I've been waiting to hear 'something' from Mr. Kaku.

    He's good with the one liners.
    "on a knife’s edge"
    "like a sleeping dragon"
    "near the tipping point"
    "very dire situation"
    "100 % liguidification of a uranium core, never seen that before!" :(
    "hanging by their fingernails"
    "circuitry being fried!"
    "Suicide workers… (can work) seconds to minutes at a time"
    "The wind will carry 'it' every which way"
    "It does melt"
    "Unimaginable in scope" (referring to evacuation of Tokyo)


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  • omtatsat omtatsat

    With the eclipse coming and more gauranteed earthquake activity about to transpire,it is like watching a disaster in slow motion with all of us needing to vacate planet earth and no-one with a ticket to ride.Maybe we should have concentrated on space travel before we built these stupid energy devises.As Spock would say "Fascinating".


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  • jackassrig

    Aside from the action of direct load, deformations are produced
    in concrete by changes in temperature and in moisture content. With reference to temperature changes in reinforced concrete, it is well known that, regardless of differences in the mixture, concrete has practically the same coefficient of expansion as steel, so that the two materials contract or expand together. Moisture content, on the other hand, has the undesirable property of affecting concrete alone. Concrete, like wood, clay, and some other materials, expands when it absorbs moisture and contracts when it is dried; steel has no such action. After the concrete is poured the steel remains unchanged with changes in moisture conditions, while concrete ordinarily shrinks a considerable amount. Aside from the stresses set up in steel and concrete by the shrinkage of the latter, the resulting formation of cracks large or small will produce a condition which may be favorable to the corrosion of the steel or the disintegration of the concrete after repeated changes from dry to wet condition.

    This has been going on for over a year and three months. One acticle said TEPCO was non destructively testing the concrete for strength. What a load of crap. The salt from the sea water will slowly eat away at the rebar. The rebar takes about 70% of the loading. When the rebar goes the concrete goes.


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  • NoNukes NoNukes

    Mr. NoNukes went to that talk, I'm not sure that the Q&A made it in, this is what he reported and I posted back then…

    "NoNukes
    February 24, 2012 at 1:22 am
    ….
    (not verbatim)
    Mr. NoNukes: "What is happening with the Spent Fuel Pool in Reactor 4 right now?"

    Michio Kaku: "Well, three reactors have melted down. They actually managed to drill holes and get a camera in so they could look in and see that the spent fuel rods were still in the pool. Water is still covering them. It is too hot for them to do anything with them right know."


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  • pure water

    Thanks for posting this link, Admin and Pu239!
    Listen to his speech after the interview. If you do not have time, just go after 20 min and listen…I love this man for what he said!


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  • wonder why it is impossible to just pull them out slowly one by one, with a hook on a crane?
    are there additionally mechanisms needed (rods plugged in in a special way?)

    get one out, test for leakage, in case no leakage just store it in water 1 mile away. get the next rod ….


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    • GeoHarvey

      I wish it could be that easy.
      I cannot guess all the problems, but I know of some. One is, what happens if you get a rod part way out and it gets stuck? You cannot put it back. Pull too hard and it breaks, spreading fuel all over the place. Leave it exposed, with any part in the air, and it will irradiate anyone who comes near. If part of it dries out, it will catch fire. And the chance of its getting stuck is high, because there is dreck all over the place and everything is catawumpus. (Sorry for the use of scientific insider terms.)


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  • i mean it is an open air show anyway and it is not supposed to be one at all


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  • PhilipUpNorth philipupnorth

    Fuku Reactors 1,2,&3 are in full melt-through, and SFP4 is tetering on the edge, but Japan.Corp.Gov wants to restart nukes pronto.
    http://www.simplyinfo.org/
    Reactor Restarts Come Down To Money
    May 14th, 2012
    "The local assembly of Oi town has voted to approve the restart of the Oi reactors. The assembly cited economic concerns such as employment. The $32 million in annual subsidies the city is given from Kansai electric is probably a considerable part of the decision. Some have described the subsidies as like a drug that causes the local municipality to become both dependent and complacent about fostering the economy independent of the power companies. This approval to restart the reactors is not shared by the other nearby towns. Eight of the t here comes eleven nearby towns do not want the reactors restarted. The power companies in Japan are heavily invested in nuclear."
    So the nuke industry simply bribes local government agencies to rubber stamp their restarts, and nukes are back in business. Now this is just sad.


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  • GeoHarvey

    I am really glad to see this. Michio Kaku is a really impressive scientist. Anyone interested might look at Wikipedia.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_kaku
    I really like Arnie Gundersen, but the pro-nuclear go all too easily into denial when he says something, calling him washed up. Having Michio Kaku weigh into this discussion is very refreshing.


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  • KingofthePaupers

    Michio Kaku: "Like a sleeping dragon
    Jct: That's not very useful. Is it going to take out Asia? The Northern Hemisphere? That would be useful.


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