KPBS: Concern over reports of high radiation levels near California nuke plant — Results shared with many residents via internet — Homeland Security professor believes readings not correct

Published: March 13th, 2012 at 9:33 pm ET
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Title: High Radiation Readings At San Clemente May Be False
Source: KPBS
Author: Alison St John
Date: March 13, 2012

High Radiation Readings At San Clemente May Be False

Residents of North County beach communities are concerned by reports of high radiation readings near the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS). But an expert questions the accuracy of the readings.

Japanese visitors from Fukushima – who participated in an anti-nuclear rally on March 11 – reported high Geiger counter readings on the San Clemente beach. The results of the readings have been shared with many North County residents by email, the Internet and social media, alarming some. [...]

Gene Stone of the group “Residents for a Safe Environment” brought the Japanese visitors from Fukushima to San Clemente. He admitted their Geiger counters may have been faulty. [...]

Murray Jennex, an associate professor at the San Diego State University Homeland Security Program

  • “I’ve been monitoring background radiation and radiation in Oceanside off and on for the last year since Fukushima, and I’ve never seen anything above background”
  • “So I don’t believe the readings they get were correct”

Read the report here

Here is a link to a site claiming to have a copy of an email on the matter:  Radiation Leak at San Onofre?

Published: March 13th, 2012 at 9:33 pm ET
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129 comments to KPBS: Concern over reports of high radiation levels near California nuke plant — Results shared with many residents via internet — Homeland Security professor believes readings not correct

  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    "Paging Mr. Jennex, Murray Jennex.
    Time for your swim in the San Onofre fuel pool.
    Paging Murray Jennex, it's pool time!"


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      PoDaddy…Speaking of pool time! Any follow up info on the worker who fell into the pool a few weeks back? I hate it when there is no follow up info.

      You get the shocker horror story in the original news, then silence. It's like a young woman who was a student at UCB; her family was in Minamisoma. She and her family, whose house was on high ground and survived the tsunami, were featured in a local TV story. They were very happy then, as the family waved from the hillside home.

      As I read all the stories about the radiation horrors in Minamisoma, I think of her and would like to ask the TV station, if I could remember which one, to do a follow up. Is she still here? Is she still in school at UCB? Did she go home to see her family? Have any in the family suffered radiation sicknesses?

      Follow up! I just keep wondering.


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      • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

        Hi dharma….I remember the piece about the guy that fell in the cooling pool and I've heard no update.
        I don't recall anything about the girl at UCB. Missed that story, and without knowing what station carried it, don't know how you can find out. Possibly contact UCB? Just a thought.
        The big frustration for me from the gate was the obvious cover-up. I just hate that part almost as much as the radiation!


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        • StillJill StillJill

          Yes PoorDaddy,…remember this oldie,…"It's not the crime that kills ya,…it's the cover-up!"

          IT's like when a rape victim gets into the court system and is blamed for what she was wearing,…from those who are there to protect her. The betrayals here,….and the 'looking the other way', are killing people's spirits. Those are the ones who are doing 'suicide' over in Japan. There are a LOT of them! Do we hear of that? Not very bloody often. Bad news gets ignored–PERIOD!


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      • hbjon hbjon

        Sadly, there is no rebuttal in the dark ages. We just get the one sided, warm and fuzzy stories anymore.


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        • hbjon hbjon

          I believe geiger counters are faulty, but I believe they don't error on the side of "more activity". Argon electrons are held looser to the nucleus than neon or helium. It also takes more voltage than 5 or 6 hundreds volts. In short, I believe today detectors are compromised to detect less ionizing radiation than the ones our Grandfathers used.


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          • Geiger counters always display lower readings that was is actually emitted. This is due to their inability to capture particles moving through them. A normal Geiger counter captures, perhaps 1-5% of gamma rays passing through (from about 100 keV to 1000 keV) and a maybe as much as 20-30% of the beta particles passing through it. Alpha detection is also very low at perhaps 5-10%.

            This is the reason you most consider their readings as a proportionate indicator for radioactivity, not a measurement of such activity, unless they are calibrated to the specific element and energies used. Additionally, energy calibrations are nearly usless, e.g. uSv/hr without proper calibration to the exact source you are testing.

            There isn't a conspiracy. That is just how they work.

            Here are some links which may be of interest:

            This shows three Geiger counters with the same calibrated source.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laWJ4KXxPLk

            Same three Geiger counters compared with different sources
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQLbUaE6CB0

            Radioactive Units, do not use them incorrectly:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHY8KUY28lc


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            • hbjon hbjon

              I disagree with your post Ant-Proton. I do not believe that any geiger counter is able to capture a gamma particle. The two reasons gamma does very little ionizing is that the gamma particle is moving so fast and it has such miniscule mass(if any). Alpha is massive and has a problem getting past the wall of the chamber, but will cause immediate ionization. Beta has great penetrating power and is an electron.(also not captured in the geiger counter, but knocks an electron out of its orbit and causes an ion of the gas particle. Yes, I do believe it is a conspiracy. Have a nice day.


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              • Hello,

                Geiger counters most certainly can detect gamma rays. I thought it might be helpful if I proved my point with a video.

                I made a video where I test Europium 152 (37,3700 Bq) and Cesium 137 (3,737 Bq) using three different Geiger counters. Both isotopes I mentioned emit gamma and beta, so I used a few mm of lead to block the beta radiation. In the video, you can clearly see that the Geiger counters detect the gamma just fine.

                Additionally, you might notice that the new units detect the radiation much better than the older unit. The response and overall efficiency of the newer unis wins the way, as well as their anti-jamming circuits and scaled response times.

                The video:

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEeqCIJB55o


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                • Mack Mack

                  @Anti-proton – Welcome to ENEnews! I know some ENEnewsers have followed your work and have learned a lot.

                  Hope you'll chime in often.


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                • Cataclysmic Cataclysmic

                  @antiproton.. I am a long lost fan from the early days :) Welcome, you helped me understand!


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                • hbjon hbjon

                  Hello Tom. Interesting Video. I made a statement saying that capturing gamma particles is not what a geiger counter does and I stand by that. It is just my undersanding that if 1000 volts of potential is kept at both cathode and anode, and their is a gamma particle traveling at the speed of light through your geiger mueller tube, it needs to hit an electron just right to disrupt its orbit and cause a cascading of electrons through the gas. Now, it is my belief that the gamma particle has continued on a direct path through the tube and out into space. However, I think an alpha particle will stay within the tube as a helium atom but cause immediate ionization upon entry.


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                • @hbjon

                  The gamma will strike an electron most a few percent of the time. It will most likely deflect at an angle (θ). The photon will loose energy in lieu of speed and it's wavelength (λ) will grow:

                  change in photon energy with respect to deflection angle: dλ/dθ

                  (h /(Me * c) ) (1 – cos θ)

                  = (6.626E-34 / (9.11E-31 * 3E8)) 1- cosθ

                  This is also the basis of Compton Scattering. Geiger counters have been able to do this for over 100 years. Using these methods, Arthur Compton was able to help prove particle-wave duality, winning the Nobel prize in 1927.

                  In short, you are correct that the interaction probability is very small (1-5%, normally) but the occurring, detection, and understanding of this is generations old and tested.


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                • hbjon hbjon

                  Though your experiment is both quantitative and qualitative in ways it fails to give an understanding of what types of gas are used in the tube and how changing the gas will change the effectiveness of the geiger counter. Also, with your detailed technical understanding, you should be able to understand how voltage can increase the ability of the gas to ionize with any type of disruption that it undergoes. Thanks for the mathamatic proofs. I was a baseball pitcher and my view of physics is like a cavemans view of fire. "Fire hot". However, I can make a baseball curve, sink, and ricochet off an object. If you throw a tennis ball fast enough you might be able to throw it through a fence.(depending on what kind of fence).


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                • Hello,

                  The answer that question, my tubes typically use Ne +Halogen (probably chlorine). It operates at 500 volts (mid plataeu).
                  http://www.lndinc.com/products/17/

                  Photons are able to lend their energy to nuclear electrons because the electrons are not actually moving around the atom in a classical sense. They are clouds of probabilities. If they were moving around, like tiny moons, then photons would basically almost never hit them. Instead, as the photon enters a "cloud" of chances, it runs a steadily increasing sum of chances to collapse the electron's wave function and find the electron.

                  Think of a room with a bouncy ball in it. If you walked through the room, you would probably not hit the ball, even if it moved fast. But, imagine that the ball existed everywhere in the room in differing levels of chance. For each few inches you moved, it's chances changed… and each time you moved you had a new chance to hit it… you would almost certainly hit it. (your room is a probability density of the chance to find the ball, rather than a space the ball moves in).

                  You cannot apply classical physics to a quantum system. It simply does not work.

                  In a quantum system, chance is distributed equally, whereas in the macroscopic world, your baseball follows simple and predictable paths. In reality, it has a probability wave which is so tiny that it seems to always be equal to 1, which means that you have found it. lol

                  Quantum mechanics is really crazy stuff.


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                • OOPSSS! Dumb moment from me! I reread my post and see a mistake! :(

                  I said, "In a quantum system, chance is distributed equally…"

                  In a quantum system, chance is distributed normally (NOT equally). Things like quantum tunneling and some beta decays occur as a result of these distributions of possible locations of the electrons (actually, wave vector configurations).

                  As a simple example, imagine a magic ball with a position which was sort of "fuzzy". The ball would randomly disappear and reappear near by. You always new about where it was, but the ball itself sort of moved about within a confined area (say within a 4 foot cubed area). If the "area" were moved to a soil wall, but some of that area were found on the other side, there would be a small chance the ball might appear there. It would, then leave a room it was otherwise confined to. This is the odd world of the photons, electrons, etc.

                  Now, when you combine lots of these magic balls, each is limited by the one next to it. If the ball is 1 foot in diameter, and has a possible area of movement of 4 foot, than two attached could only move two feet either way, limited by each other's self limits. The more balls, the less fuzzy movement.

                  This is sort of a conceptual idea of why particles can do crazy things, but we cannot.


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                • HoTaters HoTaters

                  I've been watching your videos for about a year. Thanks & welcome!


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Boy,…I PRAY this is wrong! I need more proof. Any geigers down that way from here?


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    • Auntie Nuke

      I was standing right there when both Japanese visitors used their Geiger counters. BOTH showed high readings – above allowable. (I'm not good at remembering numbers, so I won't pretend to cite them here but keep reading…) If it's a false reading, why were they BOTH showing the high reading? Could it be that all Japanese Geiger counters are seriously mis-calibrated? Or could that the "Homeland Security Professor" quoted in the article (tell me he doesn't have an agenda!) who wasn't even present has better information? And remember, this is not a scientist. I was there, I saw the readings on both Geiger counters, and immediately afterwards I interviewed the interpreter on what was going on. Listen to the live audio report from the March 13 Nuclear Hotseat Podcast here: http://www.nuclearhotseat.com/nuclear-hotseat-39-for-march-13-2012-1st-anniversary-of-fukushima-san-onofre-demonstration/ Audio report on the demonstration starts about 10 minutes in.


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  • arclight arclight

    the proffessor said he goes there of and on yet reactor emmissions come in the form of clouds of fine particles or gases or larger particles that are small enough to be whipped up in the wind..

    so he could easily miss clouds of these isotopes from local reactors unless he was monitoring the air all the time!

    what hes trying to say maybe is that the contamination is not fixed..

    however the lower end of the normal range can disapear and the proffessor wouldnt take any notice of peaks or hot particles so the proffessor has some seriously blinkered views on what they were measuring or he was trying to deflect against the aging reactors constant spewing of radioisotopes into the downwind environment…

    so he says the giegers were flawed?? hmmm!


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Well, someone from 'Homeland Security' is not necessarily someone I'd trust…

    He's from the government & he's here to help… right?


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Enviro-Reporter is down in that area… wonder if he is close enough to drive over and check it out?


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  • TraderGreg

    Is it possible that the Japanese visitors from Fukushima are so internally/externally irradiated that they cause high radiation readings on their own Geiger meters?


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    • hbjon hbjon

      I would say they could hand the detector to a surfer to get the reading but surfers are too rad to take a reading.


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      • dharmasyd dharmasyd

        I quit surfing at San Onofre after the plants went on line. I used to love Trestles and Cottons for board, and San Clemente Main and Laguna Oak Street for body surfing.
        I'm glad I'm 79 and was able to enjoy and be one with the ocean before humans who didn't understand any better destroyed it.


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        • hbjon hbjon

          It's a tragedy what has happened to our ocean. I caught a sinus infection last time I surfed Huntington. I got hammered by a tsunami there one time back in the early eighties. Broke my board and left me dazed and confused for a while. I grew up in HB when the water was blue and the sand was clean. My aunt lives a half mile from the ocean there, and I can't imagine a wave going that far in past the Edison PP on Newland Ave.


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  • aigeezer aigeezer

    Does Jennex do this monitoring as a hobby or as part of his job? If the latter, does he report results to the public regularly or did he just pop up out of nowhere to discredit other reports?

    A glance at his online biography does not seem to suggest that he is a nuke expert. His specialty is MIS (specifically "knowledge management systems"), although he has some engineering and science in his background.

    http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~cba/facdev/jennex.html

    "Knowledge Management"… too tempting!


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    • arclight arclight

      "…First, there is a trend towards higher cooperation among academics; particularly, there has been a drop in single-authored publications. Second, the role of practitioners has changed. Their contribution to academic research has been dramatically declining from 30% of overall contributions up to 2002, to only 10% by 2009 (Serenko et al. 2010)…."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_management

      think that means less innovation and no dissent??

      yikes!

      see what busby and co are up against??

      funny he didnt give what the "normal reading" was?? would be easy to verify.. reactors sometimes spew at night so when did he do these infrequent tests??

      nice find aigeezer! :)


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      aigeezer…Sorry about this comment. BUT! One look at that picture of Murray Jennex and my first thought was,

      "That man couldn't tell the difference between the ocean and a sand dune!"

      Is my comment relevant? I don't know. Anyway, I have no idea what these out of shape, out of touch with their bodies beings are doing pontificating over natural planetary phenoms.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Wow – elsewhere in this thread Majia posted a link that says this guy DOES have a strong background in the nuke industry. That part is completely airbrushed out of the link I cited above.

      "knowldege management" indeed!

      Here is the link Majia found, in case you haven't seen it yet:

      http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news.aspx?s=72880


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  • Mack Mack

    “I’ve been monitoring background radiation and radiation in Oceanside off and on for the last year since Fukushima, and I’ve never seen anything above background,” said Murray Jennex.

    Well…

    1. The EPA found iodine-131 in air filters throughout the state in March 2011.

    2. The EPA found iodine-131 as high as 183 pCi/L in rain in Riverside, CA on March 22nd.

    3. The EPA found 4.1 pCi/L of iodine-131 in milk in L.A. on April 13th.

    4. The EPA found 7.9 pCi/L in rain on April 14th in Richmond, CA

    5. The USGS found 46 Bq/m2 of Cesium-134 northeast of Oceanside

    6. The USGS found 39 pCi/L of Cesium-137 northeast of Oceanside

    7. The USGS found 240 Bq/m2 of Cesium-137 deposition northeast of Oceanside

    (I think it's NE of Oceanside from USGS map.)


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  • Mack Mack

    There's a great way to tell if there's high radiation there:

    1. Put radiation monitors all around San Onofre and release results.


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    • They already have monitors around all the nuke plants… of course they are maintained and read and reported by the nuke plant operators so…. you get the idea. Just like all aspects of nuclear technology the monitoring of plant emissions is under the control of people with financial motives to lie, omit, and obfuscate. Likewise groupthink and tunnel vision plague this insular cult-like community of nuclear true believers.


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      • Mack Mack

        You're absolutely right, Andrew. I was thinking of the monitors like Germany has all over every town, and the results are broadcast in real-time. The fact that this isn't done here speaks volumes.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Mack. Thanks. As someone who loved and still loves that area, I have nothing more to say besides: Requiem for the Planet…RIP!


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    • jec jec

      Didnt EPA REMOVE monitors because they didnt need to test..Says Who? Anyone with one ounce of brain matter knows you have to prove or disprove with factual DATA..so right now the only data has been provided that shows increased radiation levels. The EPA or ?? could easily show THEIR data in the area..all of it..not just what they want to show. And because they have a slight 'conflict' of interest, maybe a non-interested party, or concerned Congressman or two could be the investigators..


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Man, it is right out of 1984 – "Knowledge Management Systems" – Honey, we is here to manage your knowledge … just sit in that chair there while we attach these electrodes to your scalp… for your 'knowledge update'…


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Good that this was brought up, because if there's a problem at that plant, it won't be kept secret for long.

    It's a different world now.


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  • WindorSolarPlease

    Quote: Japanese visitors from Fukushima – who participated in an anti-nuclear rally on March 11 – reported high Geiger counter readings on the San Clemente beach.

    How many of us believe they found high readings? Raising hand here while shaking my head yes..


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  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

    I raise both hands & wave…in sorrow & in support. I also wave to the brave people that publish & share the facts.

    There are markers that will tell you wheteher it is Fukushima or San Onofre.

    They can not allow the lowly citizens to be aware & angry over the dangers of the San Onofre plant or know how much radiation exists still from Fukushima.

    Government officials are able to protect their family & friends while those paying for the very food they eat & the roof over their heads are left to suffer.

    I am on the opposite coast & the reports are that the area is suffering from the 100 day cold. I am on my 3rd round of this 100 day cold. Everyone I know has this so I am sure that the symptoms are much worse on the West Coast.

    "A very common one has been a viral illness, not a bacterial infection that we're starting to all call I think among docs and patients the 100-day cold," said Dr. Howard Conter, who sees the virus every day at his busy practice.

    "It really does not seem to be leading to bronchitis or pneumonia or anything that requires an antibiotic. It's just a persistent, not feeling well, cough, mild sore throat, rarely a fever, rarely chills, just kind of feel like you've been sorta run over by a truck," he said.


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    • WindorSolarPlease

      Hi MaidenHeaven

      At this point I don't care where it's from..It's there and that's what is important.

      All nuclear plants should be shut down, and end any thoughts of building more.

      Please take care and there are some good ideas on how to take care of yourself in this site.

      ~END NUCLEAR POWER~


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  • There have been cancer clusters around normally operating nuke plants, same as around accidents. The ONLY difference between a running plant and a meltdown is one of scale. The cancers, heart disease, miscarriages, birth defects, and more horrors are all the same in both cases… they just happen sooner and more often after a meltdown. When it is YOU or your LOVED ONES dying a painful death it makes very little difference if the plant caused a thousand others to die that year or a hundred thousand.


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  • Whoopie Whoopie

    What a surprise!! Right This Minute emailed saying they will watch/review the video by Frying Dutchman @ Atlantic!
    RightThisMinute
    @TearsInHeaven99 Interesting. I'll pass it along to one of our eJournalists to check out. Thanks!
    Mar 13, 11:03 AM via web

    Think they'll show it? Naw, me neither. BUT I'LL BE GLUED TO THEIR SHOW…maybe they'll show a part of it. I'LL WATCH TOMORROW and the next few days.
    YAHOO!!


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    • jec jec

      @whoopie A group of sailors has a project to test for radiation in the Pacific while on passage. They are to report dosimeter changes, and if they find any tsuami debris. Over 10 routes will be tested. One boat is taking a special path, in the Japanese current towards Alaska/USA, north of Hawaii, looking at the Pacific gyre as well. We expect some data to prove or disprove radiation contamination of debris/water. Will also collect the water filters from the boats at end of passage. Any ejournalists want to review the project plan?


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Great Busby vid on childhood cancer and uranium. He's my hero!

    So many similar stories abound. Big Pharma, Monsanto, the AMA … all about profits… and dare I say… genocide….?

    I think all of the big cancer research organizations are corrupt and are there to 'look good' while actually blocking and dis-crediting a lot of legitimate info/holistic therapies on cancer causes and cures and to keep the lucrative cancer treatment & research establishment going.

    There are very effective cancer therapies that do not involve drugs and are non-toxic and non-invasive – and low profit for the AMA doctors and hospitals, and drug companies, etc. These NEVER get research funds. In fact, those who practice them, even with informed patient consent, can actually be prosecuted and jailed!

    I was on one of these therapies, the Gerson Therapy. It healed me and was a life-changing experience.


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    • hbjon hbjon

      Now that is a post I enjoyed reading. Nice job bleep. Your a great person. Wise and strong. I can tell.


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    • StillJill StillJill

      The Gerson Therapy ROCKS! I didn't know Dr. Max Gerson was poisoned to death for his beliefs. His daughter had a tox screen done independently,….and found that her Father was indeed poisoned to death! That's how much TPTB don't want a cheaper/healthier solution to ANYTING! :-(


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  • "The firm Bechtel was further embarrassed in 1977, when it installed a 420-ton nuclear-reactor vessel backwards" at San Onofre.

    and

    According to the NRC, workers at San Onofre are "afraid they will be retaliated against if they bring up safety problems, something that's against the rules". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station

    Somewhat of a self serving theory for this west coast Canadian, but I wonder if the higher levels of iodine etc found in milk in Cali are from this old plant and not Fukushima?


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  • Sickputer

    San Diego Radnet (aka Sadnet) has 18 days above 300 CPM since the middle of November:

    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/net2/San%20Diego-CA-Real-Time-US-Radiation-Monitoring-Graph.aspx

    Knowing their propensity to fudge I wouldn't be surprised if the true readings were much higher.

    If SONGS is leaking it should be shuttered and may be the first one to be decommissioned since 311. I thought North Anna would be the first NRC sacrificial lamb of appeasement, but apparently I guess the lawmakers in DC figure they can escape in time if it blows. It is still a contender for number one with the recent tritium leaks.

    Ft. Calhoun is still shutdown and it may be the lucky one (especially for Omaha citizens) to become the first since Fukushima to be de-commissioned. New revelations about the fires and also fire sirens makes it a prime candidate: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/apnewsbreak-regulators-say-nebraska-nuclear-plant-fire-represented-serious-safety-threat/2012/03/12/gIQAXAJV7R_story.html

    The US plants are all going to fall like dominoes when the REALLY bad news comes from Japan. I am firmly convinced that time is coming… and soon. They will spin it oh so convincingly that they were always on top of the situation and suddenly have these "new" safer forms of energy to replace these "inefficient" and "cost prohibitive" nuclear plants. They will be the heroes to the rescue and find other technologies that provide "electricity too cheap to meter".


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  • I understand up to half the energy generated is used up in the transmission lines. Small solar panels installed on houses would be cheaper in the long run safer and the cost financed over time through the mortgage. Problem is no money for the fat cats. Don't worry we're working on it


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Thanks, hbjon!


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Yep, my brother has solar panels on the roof that supply more than enough electricity. I'm planning to do the same.


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  • bleep_hits_blades

    Yes, StillJill, Dr. Gerson was poisoned. We are learning about the close relationship between the Yakuza and the nuke power establishment (and therefore also the government) in Japan. Well, it is the same here with the Mafia.

    A lot of money is involved in the allopathic treatment modalities for degenerative illness. It is big business. A non-toxic, non-invasive therapy like Gerson threatens a hugely profitable empire, a monopoly on health care. (Also all of the degenerative illnesses are useful as population control, which most people would REALLY scoff at, but we are learning is 'for real'.)

    A related subject is all of the toxic things they are doing to our food, in growing and processing it. The chemical industry is always looking for new ways to use their chemicals, and then for new chemicals, and etc. etc.

    Everywhere you look, it is just so corrupt. Das why I depress', Brah…


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  • Did you all look at his homepage:

    NBC Consult: Japan is no Chernobyl
    http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/experts/directory.aspx?e=219

    His bio available here:
    "Jennex, who has 20 years of experience in the commercial nuclear power industry, teaches information security, crisis response and knowledge management/decision support, and works with SDSU’s homeland security program.
    http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news.aspx?s=72880

    I THINK THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OBVIOUS


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    • Sickputer

      Way to go Majia! You rock! Great research!

      Even a toothless dictator in pick-a-country has advisors who whisper in his ear that Fukushima is 100 times worse than Chernobyl.

      But the really grim news to the masses is suppressed because the government fears economic repercussions. It's always about political jobs, money and protecting the special interests.


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    • dharmasyd dharmasyd

      Majia…When he held up his geiger at the start it registered 15.0! Was that uSvs? Is that what he said was normal background? I sent him an e asking this question. Did I see something incorrectly? OMG!


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    • The implications are indeed obvious.

      I think his primary job is to 'secure' information due to a 'crisis' and then 'manage' the 'knowledge' of it.

      “…advanced degrees confer no special expertise in either common sense or morality. That’s why many laymen are better qualified to judge nuclear power than are the so-called experts.” – Dr. John Gofman Medical Physicist (Nuclear Power Pioneer)


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      • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

        Dear ChasAha: You're right. Despite trends working to the contrary just in the past 10 years or so, most holding advanced degrees are quite overspecialized in their knowledge and in the U.S., being a holder of an advanced degree doesn't seem to produce much difference in critical thinking skills. The graduate and post graduate in the U.S. are quite commonly among the most narrow minded and greatest enforcers of U.S. self reinforcing brainwashing to accept the status quo, after all (and this is a fowl character defect that is quite intense in the U.S.) they got theirs! So the system works; and they owe the system in their minds. The most strident defenses of system status quos in the U.S. are advanced by those who ought to know better it has been my experience. Selfishness and personal financial gain reign as main motivations in the U.S. among the most educated. If you read analyses of history textbook writers in the U.S. by James Loewen, you begin to get the picture. Visiting scholars from many other countries who are not English first language, especially, are much different generally in their political analyses. They tend to be a lot more realistic and exercise more critical thinking skills than U.S. scholars. Of course, there are exceptions on both sides; but when revolution is needed and isn't occurring, these exceptions are mainly irrelevent. The mass character defects preventing major change need to be illuminated and attacked.


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      • Bobby1

        Academic-type people are not necessary more intelligent or wise than anyone else. They are good at academic-type endeavors, they excel at them. They got good grades on tests when they were in school, because the excelled at test-taking ability. They don't mind the bureaucracy, the endless meetings, the soul-destroying pencil-pushing routines of the university, they are congenial to this. Truly creative people (of course there are exceptions) are not welcome in academia, they have no desire to be in it, because it goes against their very souls.

        Modern societies, who have expunged the wise men and shamans of old, now elevate these dull people, call them "experts", and have them take on the roles that ancient and indigenous cultures have limited to the wise.


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    • aigeezer aigeezer

      Majia – that's a spectacular find.

      The bio I had found for him completely omitted his nuke background, stressing only his "knowledge management" expertise. I thought my find was a smoking gun, but yours is superb.

      Here (again) is the bio that just happens to omit his "20 years of experience in the commercial nuclear power industry" that you found.

      http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~cba/facdev/jennex.html

      Good sleuthing, majia!


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    • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

      Dear Majia: Thank you very much for your investigative skill. This is old fashioned (meaning very effective) critical thinking/research skills at work!


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  • ShutItAllDown

    There goes San Diego State University's reputation!


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  • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

    He says its micro-rads per hour, the setting he's on. This is at 1:06 or so on the vid. As I've said before, the numbers end of this thing mean nothing to me….don't know if that's more or less than sieverts, but that is what he states his counter is set on.
    Murray looks to me like he's got a pro nuke axe to grind though……yep, there he goes…."no health risk."
    Much better at reading people than instruments! LOL


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  • l3nnz3

    Power Reactor Event Number: 47728
    Facility: DIABLO CANYON
    Region: 4 State: CA
    Unit: [1] [2] [ ]
    RX Type: [1] W-4-LP,[2] W-4-LP
    NRC Notified By: DAVID BAHNER
    HQ OPS Officer: BILL HUFFMAN Notification Date: 03/09/2012
    Notification Time: 19:17 [ET]
    Event Date: 03/08/2012
    Event Time: 18:50 [PST]
    Last Update Date: 03/09/2012
    Emergency Class: NON EMERGENCY
    10 CFR Section:
    INFORMATION ONLY
    Person (Organization):
    JACK WHITTEN (R4DO)
    PART 21 GROUP ()

    Unit SCRAM Code RX CRIT Initial PWR Initial RX Mode Current PWR Current RX Mode
    1 N Y 100 Power Operation 100 Power Operation
    2 N Y 100 Power Operation 100 Power Operation

    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2012/20120312en.html


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  • chrisk9

    The plant admitted they released some radioactive gas during shutdown, but that would be measurable only at the plants stacks. The half life of these isotopes is short enough that most of it would be gone (stable) within hours.

    There are at least 20 air samplers running outside the plant and in the communities near by constantly. These are collected by chemists and technicians who would tell someone if there were "hot" samples. This would not be a secret that could be kept in the dark for many reasons. The workers are not management, and they would tell someone if a conspiracy was attempted.

    But the original post has a picture of San Onofree that should create interest for all here! Look at that sea wall. Does it look Tsunami proof? It is 15-20 feet high (been there). And the ocean comes right to the edge of the wall. How would that do after a major earthquake/tsunami? That is the important question that needs to be asked about this plant.


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    • Disagree: "…. these are collected by chemists and technicians who would tell someone if there were "hot" samples. This would not be a secret that could be kept in the dark for many reasons. The workers are not management, and they would tell someone if a conspiracy was attempted."

      Really? I would say the opposite. The workers would keep it a secret because they don't want to lose their job or cause panic. …or management would tell them to replace the detectors, because they MUST be faulty.

      Agree: "…the ocean comes right to the edge of the wall. How would that do after a major earthquake/tsunami? That is the important question that needs to be asked about this plant."

      That is just ONE of the MANY questions that should have been asked before building these insidious death machines.

      Side note: Half Life is a somewhat misleading term.

      Example: Iodine-131 has a Half Life of 8 days. That is it's rate of decay. However, this is IMPORTANT –> It will remain HAZARDOUS to LIFE for over 80 days. (almost 3 months)

      FACT: Decay Rate x 10 = Hazardous to Life Span !!!

      We know this: "…Much smaller incidental doses of iodine-131 than are used in medical therapeutic uses, are thought to be the major cause of increased thyroid cancers after accidental nuclear contamination.[6] These cancers happen from residual tissue radiation damage caused by the I-131, and usually appear years after exposure, long after the I-131 has decayed."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      I disagree that 'experts' would warn people. Through research I have found the OPPOSITE to be the case. Read all about it if you like.

      12 reasons why all nuclear power plants must be shut down http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/12-reasons-why-all-nuclear-power-plants.html


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  • StillJill StillJill

    "Most of it will be stable within a few hours"? That's great,….so,…the other parts? They will be active for how many centuries? Oh, O.K.,….I feel a lot better now! (Not)


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  • Pallas89juno Pallas89juno

    "Homeland Security" = Gestapo or S.S. from back in the day. Why would anyone trust something fatherland security says? Achtung! Nicht!


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    • blackbeer blackbeer

      I love it when I can just sit back and see my thoughts put up on this site by like-minded individuals who are not subject to the curse of abject lazyness that coreses through my body. Last year at my model airplane club during a meeting to plan a big event it was excitedly brought to the table that we could get the Dept. of Homeland Security to fly into the event in the chopper. Lots of "oh boy, how cool is that, ect, ect". So I raised my hand and said,"why would anyone want to invite the gestapo to our party". Well I was sat down and shut-up in no time. Needless to say I am no longer a member of said club. Something else we should be aware of is that most science that happens in this country happens under the umbrella of the DOD, which means that anything worth knowing by the general public is classified, everything else is entertainment. No links to prove it, sorry, just my own trust in my own heart. We can do that you know, trust our own hearts that is………………..

      Tom


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  • StillJill StillJill

    "Homeland Security" = Jackboots and black helicopters.


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  • KONDY KONDY

    San Onofre is still offline. But you all need to realize, there are a TON of military installations (North Island, Pendleton, Miramar, etc.) in San Diego. So if the readings have hit 300 CPM since November it might have to do with all the military installations, not San Onofre. Leaks from San Onofre will typically blow north east (inland) toward Orange County, not south towards San Diego.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    Wind often blows south from San Onofre, as it is doing now.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    This ought to brighten all our days and just think we will soon know if any of its true in a couple of days.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdqimuL-ZoM&feature=youtu.be


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  • Gmouse

    Been running new basic geiger counter for last 10 days in E.county San Diego Ca. (GQ GMC-300) Don't have Data logger running yet. "Normal" cpm background 15-25 counts. On two evenings Mar. 07-08-2012, apprx. 140 cpm spikes lasting an hour duration. I posted this on the dedicated rad reading thread forum. Repost here as pertinent to above headline..


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    • StillJill StillJill

      Thanks Gmouse! Very much! :-)


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      They could be venting off a little 'cooking' gas, from cesium/uranium brownies that they are getting ready to raffle off.

      When were the HIGH spike readings? Night, Day, ???

      It would be interesting to get the NRC required 'normal', 'authorized' and 'within safety limits' radiation release figures, times and dates to see if this correlates and matches up.


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  • Gotham

    If San Clemente is so concerned about the radiation readings at SONGS why doesn't the city council pass a bill to fund their own private radiation monitors – for their city and beaches. Like this they can take matters into their own hands and challenge the criminal elite.


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  • chrisk9- did you see my post way up above? Lets use a link to a respected San Diego daily, in business for over a century. U-T San Diego quote "NRC staff are to answer questions regarding oversight of the plant, where they have told operator Southern California Edison that there are still problems with worker culture.

    The biggest problem, according to the NRC, is that workers are afraid they will be retaliated against if they bring up safety problems, something that's against the rules.

    There has been progress, the NRC has said, but there is still work to do." see http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/apr/28/anti-nuclear-protest-planned-at-nrc-meeting/

    Respectfully Chrisk9 you are wrong. Even the NRC says that workers are afraid to raise safety concerns. What a scary thought that a nuclear power plant is being run like a 19th century sweat shop. And the Nuclear Regulatory Commission knows it but has granted an extension to run these antiquated plants until 2022.

    Back to the article at hand. Of course there is a scientist from homeland security casting doubt on Japanese tourists Geiger counters.
    Why would a nuclear reactor with a company policy of terrorizing workers who bring up safety concerns possibly leak radiation?

    But why would a company who wants to stay in business sell faulty Geiger Counters? What type and make were they?

    Uh Oh the masses have radiation detectors, better get Homeland Security in there ASAP. Too bad most Americans are half asleep with junk food TV video games alcohol and illicit available drugs. Thats what they count on.

    Pretty simple to grab a 5 dollar smoke detector from Wallmart and test detectors with the chunk of Americium you will find inside.

    God Bless


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    • hbjon hbjon

      I guess now is a good time to familiarize yourself with the technicalities of the principals in which a geiger counter is able to detect an ionizing particle. Manufacturers have said that the old geiger counters were inferior in the sense that it would take too long for the gas to stabilize or unsaturate itself to be able to detect all the particles flying through the chamber. What did they do? They used gases that held their electrons tighter to the nucleus. Helium and neon are in common use. Also, they lowered the voltage to the electrodes (cathodes and anodes). This does wonders to separate the flashes and clicks, but won't have the same sensitivity. How many cpm should that speck of Am cause my geiger counter to read? What is the general concensus of ambient background radiation in your area? According to many sources, prefuku we had 10-15 cpm background along the West Coast.


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    • Heck, I tested my trusty old Geiger-Muller last spring with a Coleman lantern mantle…


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      • Mack Mack

        @JoyB – how much radiation did you say you measured last March? I tried to convert what you posted to microsieverts but kept getting different decimals. Thank you.


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      • hbjon hbjon

        Exactly how does that tell you it's working correctly?


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        • hbjon hbjon

          I'll use an analogy to better get to my point. Say you have a gas leak in your home and you smell gas. The flash point of natural gas is a constant. It is unchanged from one year to the next or from one location to another. I have a device that can detect gas when it reaches 100 ppm. But the flashpoint and explosive properties have all been measured with a device that can count 1 ppm. The detection technology lends itself to too much possible manipulation for people to be certain that they are getting what they paid for. Imho. Gamma may pass through a chamber and not cause any ionization. Beta may pass through a chamber without causing ionization. Alpha will certainly cause a click, but needs to pass through the chamber wall.


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  • Mack Mack

    "The San Onofre Nuclear Power Plant has the worst safety record of all U.S. nuclear reactors (per Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) safety allegation data). See chart for details. Read more about Safety Allegations and how employees are being retaliated against for reporting safety issues."

    http://sanonofresafety.org/


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  • Mack Mack

    Quote:

    "A nuclear meltdown in Southern California would impact the entire nation. However, if you live within 50 miles of the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station, you are at higher risk of losing everything you care about here. Five counties are within the 50 mile zone: Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and San Diego."

    End Quote.

    http://sanonofresafety.org/


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  • Gmouse

    6-7x background cpm's for apprx. 1hr. duration in E. county San Diego, Ca. noted on Mar. 7/8-2012 at around 8p.m. both nights…The detection device by all indications is reliable. I will have 3 counters to cross check very soon..


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    • Gmouse

      I've followed your previous posts.

      Do you think these readings are from Fukushima or someplace more local?

      EPA's radnet readings are still high in some areas in southern CA…


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    • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

      Sounds like a regular release from somewhere… just like clockwork…

      Ok, thar she blows… open up all the hatches, 8PM on the nose.

      When is San Onofre 'releasing' their safe radiation, and what are they reporting to the NRC?


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      • KONDY KONDY

        @ Green – I am thinking the same thing, some sort of "timed" release? I don't think it is from San Onofre, it is still offline – no more venting, they are doing tube repairs (still). Another poster on this thread was reporting readings that seemed to spike in the middle of the night (Anne?).


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        • They can 'time' releases unless in accident mode. Have "vent gas headers" off the letdown lines, attached to tanks into which decompressed gases are supposedly stored for decay prior to release. They sometimes 'forget' to close them. Not that they should have been open in the first place…


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  • Gmouse

    Majia,
    Solid readings , undetermined source.Detectors indoors (currently bagged-no alpha det.). Easily from San Onofre, or Fuku fallout. Citizen rad counts in Orange and L.A.were 20-40cpm concurrent with what was here locally in E. San Diego on 3-07/8-2012 (140cpm).
    I have daily dosimeter log from 3-20-2011 onward.with some 1mr 24hr. periods in there. Better equip. arriving soon!! will post this stuff on rad monitor forum, generally..


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    • KONDY KONDY

      @ Gmouse – I am up in OC (inland) and was getting daily readings of anywhere between 20 – 40 CPM's. I think the biggest spike I had was maybe 46 CPM? But I just got my little geiger two weeks ago and have only taken readings during the day. Thanks for contributing here G, I grew up in SD so it is nice to have those readings.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Excellent reporting Gmouse! Better equipment coming? God you ROCK!

    Thank you for spending your time and money this way! :-)


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    I am in N. California area, with no elevated levels detected up here. So the problem is probably local to San Diego area, because the odds are that I would be getting high readings here if this were from Fukushima.

    I am consistently in the .o8 to .13 mSv per hour range, even with the rain.


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    Radiation Levels Hidden from Public
    http://sanonofresafety.org/2012/02/03/many-problems-at-songs-and-in-our-community/

    Same old story; no actual radiation release figures, and absolutely NO radiation meter readings..

    This is like a doctor refusing to tell you what your vital signs are, much less whether you are going to live or die.

    In a plane, it would be like the airline refusing to tell passengers where they are going, how long it takes to get there, or if something goes wrong, they refuse to talk about it at all, other than 'everything is safe'. The plane may be blowing up, but it is all within 'safety limits'.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    You know it's odd,…..where I am now in northern Cali,….as opposed to where I was for 4 years up until this past Dec,…is a lot cleaner too. My roommate keeps reminding me that on all of his 2.5 acres,…there are no plant mutations,….and he thinks 1 dead goose out of 12 isn't FUKU. He thinks that topographically speaking,….he's gotten LUCKY. Let me explain. This property is at the very mouth of a HUGE canyon. The wind whips by here on it's way off of the lip of the ridge, if you will. Maybe he's right,…..like I'm living at the very top of a toilet bowl,….hoping I'll cling to the lid when the BIG flush comes. (Hey, a girl can wish). :-)

    My point being,…there will be/are clean pockets still, IT SEEMS.
    They will be bioaccumulated on in time too, of course.

    My belief system is that we will be rescued, if you will, by a Higher Power. Staying alive until that Day is a privilege in many ways!


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  • Mack Mack

    FYI – "MsMilkytheclown" measured "approx 0.18 – 0.21 mcSv/h" in a San Diego hotel room in February:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb7006DEj68&context=C4a9e506ADvjVQa1PpcFPDUPpSLwArBWsTJHgh9bmKsNwYQeUJU10=


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    We just listened to the NRC..assure to committee that San Onofre is safe.
    The NRC is blatantly lies.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/16/MNDR1NLDQ5.DTL


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    A bit of seimological and geological data concerning San Onofre…
    http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015037795096


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    San Onofre Nuclear Plant: Highest Childhood Leukemia Death Rates
    http://obrag.org/?p=2564


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Hey Heart,….I got great news last night,….two of my Grandbabies no longer liver in SoCal! (Hurt my heart that I was never told they moved,…nor where to,…but that's for another day). They are out of SoCal! Thank you God!

    That news came in a snotty email from my DIL, telling me not to bother sending them Fuku stuff,…but hey, then I realized that my son had been stationed in Okinawa. Hope they aren't there!

    Now I only feel like shit for the rest of the children, especially! :-(


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