Kyodo News: Extremely contaminated water is seeping into Pacific Ocean from trench under Fukushima Reactor No. 2 turbine building — Tepco: We believe it’s staying within the pit

Published: July 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am ET
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Kyodo News, July 27, 2013: Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday it has detected 2.35 billion becquerels of cesium per liter from water in an underground passage at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant that is seeping into the sea [...] The trench, which is believed to be the source of the latest water leakage into the sea, is located below the No. 2 reactor turbine building. [...]

Asahi Shimbun, July 27, 2013: “We believe the highly radioactive water is staying within the pit,” a TEPCO official said, adding that the utility will nevertheless check carefully for possible leaks into surrounding soil and seal the ground to block such leaks from reaching the sea.

See also: WSJ: Extreme contamination found in trench at Fukushima plant -- Cesium over 2 billion Bq/liter; Millions of times above limit

Published: July 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am ET
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121 comments to Kyodo News: Extremely contaminated water is seeping into Pacific Ocean from trench under Fukushima Reactor No. 2 turbine building — Tepco: We believe it’s staying within the pit

  • patb2009

    at that level, can anyone say what the human exposure would be like for that?

    Are we talking 2 SV/H?

    This is a thousand times the worst levels we've seen before.
    All i can think is that the corium is flaking and now getting carried as dust in water.


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  • The Asahi article is most misleading as the title reads
    Waterborne radioactive levels in Fukushima plant pit unchanged from 2011. The level in bequorels is broken down three ways and is unusual in that usually they only report cesium levels. Billions of bequorels in one litre of water is huge and we have a whole basement full of the crap leaking to the ocean and this is just one of several basements filled with water yet 2 and a half years later they have just found out about this? The lies get thicker as the crime is further revealed. Seems even mainstream has to report something.
    Does Japan know its being lied to?


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    This triple meltdown is contaminating the world.


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  • patb2009, from the Asahi article,"The breakdown was 750 million becquerels of cesium-134 and 1.6 billion becquerels of cesium-137.

    A liter of the water was also found to contain 750 million becquerels of radioactive substances that emit beta rays, such as strontium."

    10 becquerels per litre is safe drinking water maximum according to

    http://www.barbrastreisand.com/us/article/fukushima-radiation-leaks-rise-sharply


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  • many moons

    TEPCO has never tried to engineer a solution to this problem as the Russians did because TEPCOs plan has always been to shove the whole mess into the pacific ocean…the cheapest, easiest solution.

    They never cared what the consequence of that action would be, they never consulted with engineers from other countries to try and minimize the disaster; protect people from harm, because TEPCO never wanted to spend any money solving the problems of these meltdowns. TEPCO has been penny pinching (even the workers lacked proper equipment because it wasn't available)from the start and throwing the mess into the ocean is an absurd means to dealing with this problem.

    Why has the world continue to let TEPCO serve their own interests and turn their backs on the mess they are continuing to create?


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    • corium pudding corium pudding

      Here is a possible answer to your question that I posted on YouTube:

      "I could never understand why the world's best and brightest scientists weren't brought together to figure out how to deal with Fukushima immediately after the meltdowns were made public by TEPCO.

      Now I suspect that the nuclear industry exerted its influence to prevent it. The world's best and brightest scientists would have found a way to determine the true extent of the disaster and they would have gone public with the info. People around the world would have demanded an end to nuke power."


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  • dka

    "Why has the world continue to let TEPCO serve their own interests"

    that is what all company in the world is doing. Until you and me vote for a government that takes actions to request companies to be responsible. Problem is, companies like TEPCO, for example Shell, Exxon, GE… are financing the elections of all the parties with chances to win the elections. This kind of Democracy is letting us down because companies are controlling the world, not people. Corporate involvement in election should be banned.


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  • weeman

    WE BELIEVE NOTHiNG YOU TELL US.
    It is all speculation and best guess, why were mankind has never been, you really screwed the pouch this time.
    HELP WE NEED SOMEBODY, NOT JUST ANYBODY, NOT TEPCO.


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  • razzz razzz

    "According to Tepco, the highly contaminated trench water contains 8,000 ppm of chlorine…" "…Because there is no other source of chlorine than seawater, it’s highly likely that this contaminated retained water is being exchanged with seawater…"

    Elsewhere he makes the point about typhoon season nearing and any attempts to stop the leaks to the ocean will cause the retained onsite radioactive water levels to build up and flood the grounds.

    Unit 2 appears to be the worst onsite offender ever since the meltdowns. Like Units 1&3, nitrogen injections never stop.

    What else did they find in the contaminated waters?

    Can't cap the units with concrete for fear of leaving voids. Without containment, can't drain the water away or the melted blobs will vent to the atmosphere. Keep them underwater and wait longer hoping the blobs cool down and don't explode but keep poisoning the Pacific while waiting.

    Spent fuel removal should start soon at Unit 4. Unit 3, if they keep disturbing it, it will vent to air worse than it is already. Unit 2 inside walls have to be decontaminated before SFP work begins if they can keep it from recontaminating itself. Unit 1 SFP has to be isolated to remove the fuel.

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/07/retained-trench-water-of-2350000000000-bqm3-cs-134137-may-be-exchanged-with-seawater/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FukushimaDiary+%28Fukushima+Diary%29


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    • You need to understand.. the water is a reflector.. and will only cause more heating.!! Water CAN NOT COOL a blob of corium!

      Cooling of fuel by water ONLY works if you have channels through it all… for the water to remove heat, and reflect some neutrons BACK to the materiel where they issued from… preventing cascade. In a large glob… you get them ALL thrown back to increase cascading effects and so get more fission.!


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      • irhologram

        Please see Greenroad's petition to use Borox to enshroud it. Here's a PR stunt for attention. After signing Greenroad's petition to stop the melt downs with Borax, we could start a Borax box drive and send them to Tepco, with time sensitive press releases. Night before last C2C broke Fukishima as the most important problem we face. Their stories often break through to mainstream…so I say the time is right to begin a campaign aimed at the populace. What? We're going to ask the fox to protect our chicken house? I believe the science is good to support this use of Boron in the form that will crystallize the corium…anyway I think that's how it works…new to me. I think Boron in the air was one of the ameliorating factors to Japan's radiation exposure because of volcanic release of Boron. Remember the photos of the eruption then…and the orbs around it? What was THAT about?


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        • you can't send it down alone.. you need to add other elements as I stated.. Boron is a carcinogenic… and adding THAT to the fallout wouldn't be helping.. and it's not enough in itself to get the job done.


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          • irhologram

            Could the boron not be pumped down to the two coriums? (It would seem #3 blew to kingdome come). I've read so many links today, I can't remember which, but one of them said they definitely have equipment to identify exactly where they are. If so, how would that add to fallout, unless sussessful, and then steam, along with fusion reactions would send it back up like rising magma…? I missed your post about other elements that would need to be added. They couldn't be added? Would taking a chance on a Borox fix cause more cancer than unending fallout? These are honest questions about which I have no opinion.


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            • irhologram

              Sorry…should have read "How would that lead to fallout, unless it was unsuccessful.


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            • what you need to understand… these hole initially were sort-of draining the basements. However: Blasts and such then spew debris up again. The stuff has formed a volcano-like structure that keeps getting taller around the holes. So, the basements are now OVER-filling, and that has the water sitting in some corium again. #2 the hole is under the busted torus-leg. So once it fills.. you get a back-flow into the torus… then it backs-up onto the main plant basement floor! This is why #2 rads have gone off-scale-high!
              #3 has the entire basement & PCV forming the volcano with the cap of concrete & Steel they made on top! That's now rising in pressure… steam is finding a way to get out! The main recirculation pump housing and line… is where it's pissing-out of now.
              #1 is a smaller edition of #3… the only difference is that #1 melted-out the bottom, and had less materials that were not laden with Plutonium… like #3 was.
              #3 had U-235/238, MOX, Pu-239/240/241 breeders, and what we think is Thorium rods in it, samples of that that were found out on the ground, post-blast. They never let us look at, nor test them for the composition of them.
              You could TRY to pour a slurry of the same stuff the put on Chernobyl down the holes.. Vegemite, boron, some lead, and all the Pu-240 we can round up.. that and anything else we have that would absorb the neutrons and stop the blasts to stop the nuke-quakes.. if not all the rads… it would be a positive step in right direction.. stop total..?


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              • Even beach sand would help a lot… with keeping the water off it.. as it would turn to glass.. coat it.. and also help to seal the holes sides to prevent more water coming into it.

                But it's crucial to use a silicated fluid that won't reflect neutrons, and will set but stay flexible.. as you still have quakes to deal with.


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                • it's not just one hole… and ANY WATER goes down..? Becomes steam and exits sometimes more than 60-70 miles OFF SITE in spots that are former quake epicenters.. and have fissure-vents.

                  This is what keeps grey-black-out the TBS camera view.. and that's 12 miles away from Fuku plants.


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                • Au Au

                  Well, there's plenty of beach sand! It's an island for hell's sake. Why don't they start pouring it effing on! Crikey. Are they anencephalic? Schiesse! This whole Fukushima thing is SO effing effed up. Grrrrrrr

                  Yeah, let's just be extra stupid and kill the entire planet! Mensch! What did we do to get born to this planet with such STUPID psychopaths running it? Seriously.

                  Disgusting.

                  None of us deserve this or our children. How could we know what these freaks were cooking up before my time or yours??

                  And don't tell me my rant is useless. The least of our problems is a little rant on this site.


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              • Sickputer

                +311 for a possible corium behavior theory as any I have read about. I know you have had your doubters among a few of the original Enenewsers and at times I felt your reports were way out in left field myself, but I always respect the right of anyone to offer theories or second hand accounts. Keep up the reports and theories so we can mull them around and see where they lead.

                Keep the faith Pattie and to other Enenewsers who disagree with her reports and theories, please keep it friendly in your critiques. Pattie is not the enemy…look to Tokyo for the real culprits in this global coverup and mishandling of a massive industry-created ecological disaster. That's all I have to say…stay together folks, for we shall surely die alone.


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          • VanneV anne

            “…4.2 In laboratory animals, boron can affect reproduction and the development of the fetus. Animal studies on mice and rats show no evidence of boron carcinogenicity…”
            .
            http://www.greenfacts.org/en/boron/boron-greenfacts.pdf

            Of course, I don't know about huge amounts of boron.


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  • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

    don't believe a word of it, leaking, seeping…wtf, this is ongoing gushing now for over 2 years. Add that up, then lets all measure and accumulate it. Gushing may not be the correct word either but it doesn't play down the effects nearly as much.

    NoMoreNukes


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  • eatliesndie eatliesndie

    They pump water in at the top, it runs straight out the bottom and into?…..same place it's been freely flowing to ever since March 2011…..the pacific ocean. Through the ground, over the ground and through pipes. Lots of highly contaminated water for more than two years now….FINISH YOUR DRINKS PEOPLE!


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  • irhologram

    Boxed in Freight
    The West Coast of the USA and Canada radioactive now. No one will purchase any of the boats which are owned by West Coast residents. All these hundreds of thousands of dollar boats are lost forever, they will be restricted from every port away from the West Coast of the USA and Canada, they will be measured in RADS from now on. If you own a boat on the West Coast of the USA or Canada and did not move it 3 months ago, your investment is lost.

    From comments on BIN. Interesting point.


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  • jackassrig

    I remember in the early days of FUKU disaster a poster would show a map of the US and the xenon. Xenon was all over the US. I believe viagreenroad said on another post that xenon transmutes into cesium. So if I have this right, the entire US has degrees of cesium.


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  • shadowfax

    Hey irhologram .I live on a boat on the west coast…don't read any increase in radiation on the boat or the local vegetation.Much less RADS of radiation
    background radiation .05 micro severts/hr.
    Don't believe everything you read on before it's news!
    Maybe come out to the west coast with your own radiation meter.(I have 2 for comparisons)and please show me any boat that is radioactive.


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    • Sickputer

      Yes, I guess that boats and ships 5,000 miles east of Japan are not in "immediate" danger (got to admire an Enenewser using that adjective :-) ) of radioactive contamination.

      But wouldn't we love to know how the fishing boats are faring on the east coast of Japan. Also…are military ships (US and Nipponese) staying scarce from the "immediate" area near Fukushima? The world wonders…

      Watch the movements of Paul Allen's yachts in the next 2-3 years. When they vamoose south you will know the western US coast has left the "no immediate danger" status.


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  • razzz razzz

    Since no one knows for sure where the blobs are, you get a lot of leeway guessing. TEPCO isn't saying even if they knew where to look.

    I always thought that tidal interaction with the freshwater tables was a forgone conclusion once Unit 2 was leaking early on but it now comes as a revelation to TEPCO. Those full/new moon tides (highest and lowest monthly tides occur on the same day) really help the mixing of fresh and salt waters and now radioactive contaminated waters.

    You want sand around the blobs, well if the blobs traveled below the Units at all, sand will be there and freshwater to moderate. The time for sand was when the meltdowns were occurring to help melt the sand into glass. Concrete has a lot of sand content itself.

    Chernobyl lucked out because they had sand sandwiched between the walls for shielding and when the meltdown happen it broke the sand free to mix with the corium plus being high dry thus making that glass type mixture that is now failing by turning to dust due to the neutron interactions.

    No way they are getting boron to the runaway blobs, only to some of the remnants and that is only if surrounded by injected borated water. Splatters in the dry well above any flooded areas must be a problem yet.

    How they are ever going to dry out and keep dry the site to attempt to encase all the blobs is beyond me. Must be at least 300 tons of melted radioactive materials unaccounted for by now.

    So, into the sea the contamination goes.


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    • They Know where they are.. please read my links…


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      • razzz razzz

        PattieB: There is not enough heat available to do what your links suggest. The blobs would have to be undergoing constant fissioning to act like mini volcanoes but they are to diluted with a mix of debris to barely even fizzle. Chances of any heavy fissionable elements arranged to sustain a chain reaction configuration are slim to none.

        Just enough mass left to fizzle occasionally and continue to produce varying quantities of radioactive poisons.

        The fears of water moderating a sustained fission chain reaction have past. Hydrogen from radiolytic water breakdown is more of a concern because any explosions could expose any fissionable elements to more neutrons but would still only cause them to fizzle as a hardened crust might break open exposing it to water or an earthquake might have the same effect. Even borated water can't get past the crusts to stop fizzling let alone water to moderate.

        Unit 3's explosion is about as close to a re-criticality as you can get and if it happened, probably happened inside the reactor core.

        In other words, you need a lot of neutrons flying around at a slow rate of speed to fission. Where are all the neutrons to come from in a diluted melted and cooling mass?

        Yes sand would help dilute and absorb. IMHO

        http://mitnse.com/2011/03/18/what-is-criticality/


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    MIT..whore of the military industial complex.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Hi..all .
    I see it's still… going to hell in a hand basket.


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  • razzz razzz

    Coriums were hot until they encountered water again. Plenty of groundwater available to start the cooling. Neutrons only slow down in water, inside the blobs they speed up. In your scenario, all the fissionable materials would have to be towards the outside skin of the blobs, highly unlikely.

    Plutonium would have to congeal back to its pure form to sustain itself, again unlikely.

    Granted plutonium is nasty stuff, this stuff used was not concentrated to begin with.

    At Chernobyl, they didn't know what would happen for sure if the corium encountered water. They feared the worst. Tunneled under the Unit's base to add more concrete to prevent a melt thru to groundwater, abandoned that idea as unnecessary when the corium cooled faster than anticipated. They went to great lengths to drain water from trenches that the corium might have flowed to. I'm thinking most of the fissionable products went airborne and what was left is like radioactive slag.

    Chernobyl's corium didn't burn directly down, it flowed and spread around until it cooled. Fukushima didn't have far to travel before finding cooling waters, whether the waters can cause a massive criticality capable of melting holes in planet earth with everything caving into it is another question to be answered.

    Unit 2's corium undisturbed by massive explosions flowed out and around the drywell containment floor, didn't exactly burn directly down. Open access hatches on 1&3 might have directed the flows to spread…


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  • razzz razzz

    I'll take the spread versus volcanoes for the time being.


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  • razzz razzz

    Fission in a controlled environment like a reactor still wastes 30% of the fuel in a year's time and that is with any new plutonium (by-product) being produced adding to the chain reactions.

    Need continuous high temperatures to do what you purpose. Here you have decay heat and some fizzling hot spots going on. Prevent them from heating up to remix any fissionable materials is about all you can do. If the blobs can't fission there is only so much heat they can produce. In desperation they used seawater to get the blobs to harden in place to do their cooling.

    Newer reactor floor mats, in case of meltdowns, are shaped like wide gentle slopes to allow the melts to spread out, provided containment is intact to filter the off gassing.

    Without containment, both situation are insane: Keeping blobs underwater to leech into the sea or high and dry to leech into open air. High and dry, at least you can redo containment somehow like Chernobyl. Underwater with cracked housings and foundations or worse, there is no way to deal with it to stop it entirely.


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    • we know who your working for razzz It's funny jow you showed up, spouting BS.. and the site with the info got locked-out.. and making claims that fly in the face of facts…

      @j@ I backed it up awhile back.. so, nice try!


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      • razzz razzz

        I've been outed, I rule the world with my overwhelming powers of suggestion and control websites at the sametime…who knew?

        Want to see what big 'K' offers in her opinion after reading the reports.

        Pat, your attention span in weak, been here over a year.

        Even though I understand your position, until I see steam coming out the drilled water wells and the harbor bubbling from venting corium and blue glows when the fog rolls in, I'll wait for further confirmation of any overactive coriums.


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        • I've been here since before the 9/11 mess.. so you now even lie about THAT FACT!.. gee…


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        • kez

          Been absent a long time .. I had a round and round w PattieB.

          Have to agree w other authors here tho. If he/she had such profoundly proof positive evidence of these insider claims .. why offer here to such small and ineffective audience?

          One of my beefs w the ENE site was that it is basically just a bitch session .. very very few activists.

          I researched PB's self referenced resumes. I found no nuke experience. I found more evidence in computer IT. And more evidence that pattie is a he not a she.

          If this is such earth demising and shattering info .. why preach here? Go Snowden if necessary. Is the NSA spying an ELE or is Fukushitty? Got proof? Go big.

          Personally .. well never mind .. I suspect some narcissitic personality disorder.

          But don't really care .. you all make up your own minds .. tin hats or not. :)

          And I shall disappear again. Don't waste a lot of time flaming .. ain't gonna read it.

          Peace to my friendlies.


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          • kez

            Adding to my post: If you believe all the hidden agenda and secrets PattieB alludes to then how the f*ck are you not writing to your reps for more action??

            And to PattieB: wtf have you done to get TPTB more involved? Cmon .. for real.

            You can call me a Tepco spy, etc. (AGAIN) .. but I can promise you that I have wasted less time here on ENE trying to glorify myself and more time contacting and calling and emailing than you have spent promoting yourself as some secret insider messiah.

            Put up or shut up finally.

            And .. with that .. I stfu myself .. cause this is a lost cause already I know. Been there and done that.

            Peace.


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            • that one.. I'll answer.

              Losing my heart muscles, use of left arm, weight, hair, and more years off my life in service to this country than I like to think about these days.

              I do that which I am still able to do.

              that's it. I don't care WHO publishes this info.. I don't GIVE A FLYING FUCK who slaps their names on it!

              THAT'S NOT THE POINT !

              I want the TRUTH OUT THERE !

              PERIOD !!

              I'm a damned walking dead.!

              I won't BE HERE for the show!


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              • kez

                PB .. not unsympathetic to your health issues. Given the average guesstimated age of regular writers here .. we all have some issues.

                Point is .. if you truly believe you have dire and life threatening info .. give it up to appropriate sources. No one here on ENE is able to do that.

                If you die and don't get the info you consider so life essential to sources that might effect change .. you are wasting your time and intelligence.

                Life or death .. put up or shut up.

                Do future gens depend on this info you have? Then you must broadcast beyond the few who follow you here. If not .. then drop the secret agent bullshit and just accept that we are all in discussion/sharing mode.

                Peace. Be well.


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                • I have placed this info with media outlets both in and out of the USA. So don't bark at me for putting you in a situation where you now know things that must be told, I've seen this behavior in combat were folks are put into untenable situations. Will you stand-forth and make a difference? Or crack.

                  Most here hide who they are out of fear of the reprisals. And yes… they are VERY REAL.

                  This needs to be told.


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      • Tumrgrwer Tumrgrwer

        Need to keep on point, skip these distractions.


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    • you keep speaking as if this is my idea.. when it's just the facts as recorded at fukushima.. with times, pictures, everything. So you can go back to your boss and tell them you failed… I backed it up in a number of places without modification.. so all can STILL see the TRUTH !

      ;-P


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  • anyone who wants a copy the files.. pattieb-fine@comcast.net

    I'll send attached to a reply


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  • http://ct.cal.basecampbusiness.com/node/26016

    why the corium doesn't cool like they (Nuke-Pukes) thought it would… and other problems with risk assessments made in the past.


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  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    PattieB, in your docs there is a picture which appears as if there is a cavern spanning the size of three of the reactors above, some 200 meters below. Sorry, didnt study it. Is that a picture of supposed contamination, or is it really meant to indicate a huge cavern? thx


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    • they initial pooled there.. separated.. but that level had water.. and is the actual source of the hydrogen that caused the explosions


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      • the water made a reflector.. BOOM!

        They then continued to eat-down deeper.. still as separated cores.

        They did blast tons of debris up into the base of the reactors.. and still have shit in the steam coming up today.


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        • if you look deeper into the water issue.. you will see that spot is the main zone that gets to ocean.. and it's why they did the harbor back-fill job.


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          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            PattieB, do you mean that the spot where most of the radionuclides get into the ocean is this gigantic cavern thats a block long? Is there a cavern or isnt there, and where did the earth/mud/rock go to? I have no doubt that somebody knows* the exact configuration down below, but is this diagram qualified?

            *(Lawrence Livermore working round the clock with the worlds top scientists….remediation efforts in sync with shareholder interests; their words)


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  • In your opinion, is it possible that the whole fukU site might collapse at some point into these huge caverns?


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  • could it..? I'd be more inclined to it getting "Folded-Under" and going down into the subduction zone.. if they don't stop the blasts


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  • razzz razzz

    If you read the article there other hot links within it to follow.
    Once the fuel melts and pools, it loses 25% of it capacity to produce heat as volatile gases and elements escape plus it begins to layer itself.
    http://www.simplyinfo.org/?p=9167


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  • irhologram

    Cover them with sand and use lightening rod conductors to zap coated coriums with 5 times the heat of the sun, using storm energy to encase the them in glass…??


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  • irhologram

    Just a joke. God knows what kind of a bomb that would set off!


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  • irhologram

    I find it interesting that within 12 hours of 3/11, me…who knows very little about nuclear…was able to research that Chernobyl taught never to use water, just as you're saying. And they acknowledge that the immediate decision to use seawater Wes counter indicated…but a heroic disobedience to orders due to no other short term alternatives…but THEN…they keep on using water for over two years???!


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    • razzz razzz

      That is the problem with broken containment, you can't fill the vessels with water because it leaks out so you can't keep the melts covered with borated water. Covered with borated water is preferable to absorb the neutrons and cool the melt at the same time.

      Here containment(s) leak so the melts heats up then later encounter groundwater anyway. It is not like they have any control over the situation.

      Not to many choices. 1. Filter the cooling water and store the excess letting the heavily radioactive overflowing groundwater run to the sea or 2. Instead of storing excess filtered water just dump it into the ocean and keep filtering the heavily radioactive water, to keep the water table down, before dumping it in the sea…Both ways, radioactive water ends up in the ocean, more or less.

      At Chernobyl they think (link to link above) the elephant's foot portion of corium melted 2 meters (about 6 feet) deep into the concrete. There was no way to cool it except with the shielding sand that mixed with it on its own.

      At Daiichi, if the access hatches blew open or melted open, the melts would have flowed out to other parts of the containment floor. Maybe melting into the suppression chambers. Beats staying a massive blob. TEPCO in one of their handouts thinks Unit 2's(?) melt flowed out through a blown access door to partially spread out.

      The latest thinking is to get a melt to spread out like a pancake for cooling. Get it in borated water would be a plus.


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    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      video too long, but the interesting thing was quantity of methane. Think of mars, it had oceans and flowing rivers, now look at it; planets change


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      • the worse bit it desalinization of the oceans.. the radioactive content binds the salt. This sinks and kills everything on the bottom. That stuff holds in the carbon and methane. The net-effect is the oceans now don't make oxygen! Most folks think that TREES do out oxygen, when THEY DON'T !! The oceans are our oxygen generators, the trees are the filter.

        The rads also kill the trees.. then they DON'T decompose.. nobody knows the WHY !!

        Remove the salt from the sea.. change the PH. This with the rads.. has caused viral mutations.. they now running rampant in sea life. They run for the Gulf.. for the salt wash-out of the under-side of the salt domes. This salt water is full of COREXIT and so they still DIE !!

        Add to this.. the pole-shift with no ozone layer. Hydrogen and Helium are the lightest gas.. they get unbound and the solar wind strips them off the planet.!! We are LOSING WATER. Take a look at Mars folks. Additionally this whole process is making Chlorine Monoxide that we can't breath.

        The methane is a 20-X worse greenhouse gas, and is death to breath as it will displace oxygen.


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    • razzz razzz

      Bad Astronomy

      Planet X doesn't exist, and we are in no danger from a giant planet, rogue or otherwise. Lieder, Hazlewood and the rest of that group are wrong. They may be consciously lying, or have a tenuous grasp on reality, but in the end it doesn't matter: they are still wrong.

      http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/nutshell.html


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      • These true believers also believe that they can live through Planet X coming close, or some version of it passing close by Earth.

        They ALL ignore the 400 plus nuclear plants, and their spent fuel pools, and what will happen to them in a horrific global disaster caused by a Carrington Event, or something else that shuts off the power and/or water to all nuke puke plants.

        The few that may survive will not like living with the few surving cock roaches or whatever else can live in a hostile, high radiation environment.

        We do not need aliens, Planet X or comets wiping us out.

        We are doing the wiping out of humanity quite well, all on our own, thank you very much…

        nuclear, GM seeds, chemicals, SAD, flouride in water, etc…


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        • Ourself Ourself

          Exactly. No matter how well people prepare, they simply aren't going to survive.

          Anyway, to the non-believers: There is so much evidence to support the claim that we live in a binary solar system. It is true. There is no denying it. There definitely is a lot of false information out there about it, but it doesn't change the facts. I don't care what you believe, it really doesn't matter what any of us believe – it won't change the truth. If you want to believe that it isn't real, then go right ahead – it's fine.


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      • norbu norbu

        razzz, It is written in Sumerian text. Nibiru is real. Annunaki where here 450,000 years ago.
        http://andromida.hubpages.com/hub/annunaki
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        • razzz razzz

          Q: Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?

          A: Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye. Obviously, it does not exist. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.
          From…http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

          You guys must have something else better to worry about. Theories are all very fascinating when it comes to deep space but it will be a 'little' undetected meteoroid that does the most damage to earth like recently in Russia. Worrying will not stop it or focusing on objects that are not there will not help.


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