L.A. Times: Alarming West Coast sardine crash likely radiating through ecosystem — Experts warn marine mammals and seabirds are starving, may suffer for years to come — Boats return without a single fish — Monterey Bay: Hard to resist idea that humpback whales are trying to tell us something

Published: January 5th, 2014 at 11:38 pm ET
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Captain Corbin Hanson, Southern California, Jan. 5, 2014: [He was] growing more desperate as the night wore on. After 12 hours and $1,000 worth of fuel, [they] returned to port without a single fish. “Tonight’s pretty reflective of how things have been going [...] Not very well.” [...] If his crew catches sardines these days, they are larger, older fish [...] Largely absent are the small and valuable young fish [...] the voice of another boat captain lamented over the radio, “I haven’t seen a scratch.” [...] By daybreak, Hanson was piloting the hulking boat back to the docks with nothing in its holds.

Los Angeles Times, Jan. 5, 2014:

  • West Coast sardine crash could radiate throughout ecosystem
  • [T]he biggest sardine crash in generations
  • [S]cientists say the effects are probably radiating throughout the ecosystem, starving brown pelicans, sea lions and other predators
  • [E]xperts warn the West Coast’s marine mammals, seabirds and fishermen could suffer for years
  • The reason for the drop is unclear
  • [T]he decline is the steepest since the collapse of the sardine fishery in the mid-20th century
  • [T]heir numbers are projected to keep sliding
  • [T]he crash is raising alarm
  • [T]here is evidence some ocean predators are starving without sardines
  • Scarcity of prey is the leading theory behind the 1,600 malnourished sea lion pups that washed up along beaches from Santa Barbara to San Diego in early 2013, said Sharon Melin, a wildlife biologist at the National Marine Fisheries Service
  • Biologists also suspect the drop is hurting brown pelicans [which] have shown signs of starvation and have largely failed to breed or rear chicks there since 2010
  • Normally, pelicans and sea lions would adapt by instead gobbling up anchovies [...] aside from an unusual boom in Monterey Bay, anchovy numbers are depressed too

Monterey County Weekly, Jan. 1, 2014: Whale spouts shoot up from the left, right and center [...] juvenile sea lions number in the hundreds [...] Then, two humpbacks break the surface just 50 feet from the boat [...] There’s so much poetry in motion that it’s hard to resist the idea that you are witnessing something historic, that these humpback whales – nearly all of whom normally migrate to Mexico some time in the fall – are trying to tell us something. And they are, if we listen. There’s a simple explanation why this fall’s whale watching season was so unusually epic on Monterey Bay: anchovies. [...] The one thing everyone agrees on is that sardines are crashing, and quickly. [...]

Nov. 7, 2013: ‘Extraordinary’ whale and dolphin encounters off Canada’s Pacific coast “could have a deeper meaning” — “We see them as our relatives, as ancestors… It’s for the better of all of us to listen” (VIDEO)

Oct. 15, 2013: 'Troubling Mystery': Complete collapse of sardine population on West Coast of Canada around Vancouver -- Official: It's 'unexpected' -- Expert: Humpback whales rarely seen, they're telling us something changed... nobody knows what's going on

Dec. 20, 2013: Gov't Report: Fukushima ocean plume hit Canada 6 months ago -- "Precedes model predictions by several years" -- 'Human health' is first reason listed for study (MAP)

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  • Everyone tell someone

    Japan Radiation Memo to All Citizens PDF
    http://tinyurl.com/Japan-Radiation-Citizens-Memo

    Japan Radiation Memo in JPEG (for social media upload)
    http://tinyurl.com/Japan-Radiation-Memo-JPEG

    Vital1's Radiation Memo to Parents
    http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf

    or at least don't eat any sardines.


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      • Gasser Gasser

        Nuclear dark humor for dark times to light up smiling minds

        It's a slow day in heaven, so St. Peter decides to show a Nuclear guy that turned whistle blower around an actual place void of radiation.



        St. Peter shows him all of the sights: the enenews.com room, living wikipedia library, commonsense choice menus, truth, beauty, and goodness choice options charts, and a huge room full of clocks in different forms and shapes.

        

Hey Peet mah-man, what's up with those clocks?

        Everyone on Earth has a personal clock that shows how much time a person has left.

        When a clock runs out of time, the person dies and comes to the gates to be judged, though some are to Plutonium and money contaminated to be allowed in until they burn up their greedy half lives planting trees and scrubbing oceans on other planets.
        


        The guy notices that some of the clocks are going faster than others.

        St. Peter tells him that every time a living person tells a lie, it deforms speeding up his life clock.



        The guy notices one clock in the center of the ceiling with both hands whirling around at an unbelievable blur.

        

"What's the story with that real ugly nasty deformed clock back there in that room?"



        "Oh, that," St. Peter replies. "That's TEOCO's President's clock.

        We decided to use it as a toilet exhaust fan."

        ~Gasser Classic~


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      • deaddolphins simonhhh

        "Monterey Bay: Hard to resist idea that humpback whales are trying to tell us something…"

        Great__well the japs aren't listening to that message…the whale slaughter has started up in the Southern Oceans off Australia…
        "…Anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd says its three boats found all five ships from the Japanese whaling fleet, one with four dead minke whales on board…
        Sea Shepherd says the Japanese fleet was in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary and that the activist group was working to drive the fleet from the area…It is the first time the environmentalists and the whaling fleet have crossed paths this season…"

        They persist in the destruction of the global environment… unabated…some medieval psychopathic pathology at play…
        ELE…indeed

        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-06/sea-shephard-says-japan-whaling-fleet-inside-sanctuary/5185942


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        • deaddolphins simonhhh

          Just as an aside…a bit of karma…might come back to bite "em" hard…eating whale meat…

          "…Tests have revealed that in whale meat sold in the Faroe Islands and Japan, high levels of mercury and other toxins are present…A research study was conducted by Tetsuya Endo, Koichi Haraguchi and Masakatsu Sakata at the University of Hokkaido found high levels of mercury in the organs of whales, particularly the liver. They stated that "Acute intoxication could result from a single ingestion" of liver. The study found that liver samples for sale in Japan contained, on average, 370 micrograms of mercury per gram of meat, 900 times the government's limit…Levels detected in kidneys and lungs were approximately 100 times higher than the limit…"

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_meat


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          • deaddolphins simonhhh

            Just another aside…the practice of herding and slaughtering bottle dolphins in Japan has the same high levels of toxicity…

            "…The Japanese town of Taiji on the Kii peninsula is as of now the only town in Japan where drive hunting still takes place on a large scale. In the town of Futo the last known hunt took place in 2004…In 2007 Taiji wanted to step up its dolphin hunting programs, approving an estimated ¥330 million for the construction of a massive cetacean slaughterhouse in an effort to popularize the consumption of dolphins in the country…However, an increase in criticism and the considerable toxicity of the meat appears to be achieving the opposite…During the first hunt of the season in Taiji in 2009, an estimated 50 Pilot Whales and 100 Bottlenose Dolphins were captured. Although all the Pilot Whales were killed, and 30 Bottlenose Dolphins were taken for use in dolphinariums, the 70 remaining animals were set free again instead of being killed for consumption…

            An increasing number of dolphin welfare advocacy groups such as Earth Island Institute, Surfers for Cetaceans and Dolphin Project Inc., dispute these official Japanese claims. These groups assert that the number of dolphins and porpoises killed is much higher, estimated at 25,000 per year…"
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_drive_hunting
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cove_(film)
            PS: everything they catch will be NOW heavily contaminated with radiation…what a mess


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  • "The reason for the crash is unclear."
    The reason for the crash is nuclear!


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    • Elegant, Tilly777. (i enjoy the music at your link. ty:)


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    • We Not They Finally

      Tlly777: "UN-clear equals "NU-clear." That's great. On a par with other coined phrases from posters, like "RAIDS" (= RADIATION Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) and "Creacide" for the destruction of all life.

      We need a dictionary thread! This all "says" it!


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      • Bones Bones

        For sure…I've seen these terms show up elsewhere then on the internets. lol I don't have much to add besides this is like preaching to the choir. It's all happening as the zeitgeist depicted. The bio-accumulation is killing the prey which kills predators, etc. These fish and surrounding water should be tested for radionuclide contamination and levels, if it were scientific at all, and publish those levels. It is purposeful leaving out of information. If a study doesn't have Fukushima as a possible input, then no output will have it in it.


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      • byron byron

        Dictionary: Fuked, (rhymes with nuked), wiped out by radiation from Fukushima, along with other releases. Sentence: The humans Fuked themselves to extinction along with most life on Earth, saving the expense of…(galactic dictionary)


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    • 23skidoo 23skidoo

      Yes we no nukesters know the reason is nuclear. Its only unclear to the people hypnotized by the current and prolonged "mass media meltdown" As activists we must recognize that this GIGANTICALLY UNDER-REPORTED NEWS STORY OF THE CENTURY urgently needs our help to alert the 'Kmart' shoppers to the spill in aisle 6!This accident has occurred on our watch and its is imperative that we all take steps to alert the rest of the sleeping masses to their imminent doom, lest we pull a bunny out of our collective asses and direct all of the planets efforts towards fixing this game ender. WE CANNOT LET LIFE ON THIS PLANET DOWN! This accident requires everyone's immediate attention so as to preserve this campsite for the next campers as normal protocol would have us respect. As a Green Party founder and activist I am truly sorry that our original efforts have dropped the ball on this, one of our reason d'etre issues. BIG GREEN = NOT GREEN. WildGreens on the other hand have been on this issue right out of the gate alerting the PM of Canada, the press and many other environmentalists with an ALERT we have called the "World Nuclear Emergency" Today is Day 1032 of this ongoing emergency and sadly we still have not got everyone's attention yet but with others spreading this information through any and every social media far n' wide we have a slight chance at making the required attempts at solving the impossible situation we face. Thanks for paying attention.

      Warmest regards,…


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  • imacmill

    Make sure you read the article before you start blaming this on Fukushima. Sardine sto is have plummeted before, and they will recover. It happens.


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    • imacmill

      Typo. Should say "Sardine stocks have…"


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      • 16Penny 16Penny

        "Normally, pelicans and sea lions would adapt by instead gobbling up anchovies [...] aside from an unusual boom in Monterey Bay, anchovy numbers are depressed too"

        " it’s hard to resist the idea that you are witnessing something historic, that these humpback whales – nearly all of whom normally migrate to Mexico some time in the fall – are trying to tell us something."

        = unprecidented.

        See you tomorrow for your next lesson.


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          Typo. Should say "= unprecedented"


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          • ENENews

            imacmill: As the excerpt provided in the report above notes: "[T]he decline is the steepest since the collapse of the sardine fishery in the mid-20th century"

            Let's compare the two:

            >> The mid-20th century crash is attributed to aggressive over-fishing.

            From the Monterey County Weekly: "In the wake of that collapse, famed marine biologist Ed Ricketts investigated where the sardines had gone. His conclusion? “They’re in cans.” Sardines were aggressively overfished well into the 1950s"

            >> Yet, now the situation seems to be the opposite. The West Coast sardine fishery has "unprecedented controls" and "is among the most progressive fisheries in the world".

            From the Monterey County Weekly: "The formula that informs how many sardines can be fished is complicated. [...] the U.S. sardine fishery is among the most progressive fisheries in the world, one with built-in checks and balances [...] a whole bunch of things that have never been done before on a fishery,” MacCall says. [...] that formula [has] multiple, unprecedented controls"

            >> In addition, the Monterey County Weekly article indicates the theory about a boom/bust cycle is flawed:

            "Sardines like it hot. Anchovies like it cool. Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), a two – or three-decade cycle with a profound impact on sardine and anchovy populations, whose reproductive rates are bolstered or hindered by the ocean’s surface temperatures. Sardines prefer to get it on in warmer waters, anchovies play it cool. [...] PDO cycles weren’t identified until 1997, and their connection to sardines and anchovies wasn’t discovered until five years later. [...] the data that [Francisco Chavez, a senior scientist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute] has compiled shows a clear correlation between PDO cycles and sardine and anchovy populations, a rotation that moves between what he calls a “sardine regime” and an “anchovy regime.” But that correlation curiously stopped about 10 years ago. “We went through a very clear shift after ’97 to ’99. The ocean has been cooler,” he says. [...] in 2003, Pacific sardines began trending sharply upward until 2006, when their population peaked about 1.3 million metric tons, the highest number in the current regime. “The sardines didn’t hear about [the expected drop], at least in California,” says Chavez”

            http://www.montereycountyweekly.com/archives/2014/0102/article_d68733a2-727e-11e3-95cc-0019bb30f31a.html

            >> This quote from the LA Times is a good place to stop:

            "aside from an unusual boom in Monterey Bay, anchovy numbers are depressed too"


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            • imacmill

              OK, so how does it link to Daiichi?


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              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                imacmill, a good way to develop a hypothesis is looking at high impact concurring events. For example, if you come home to a dead dog with signs of poisoning, and a torn open half eaten bag of rat poison, there is a good chance these are related, even though a scientist has a difficult time to prove causation…requiring years of further study (joke). Fukushima was the largest radionuclide accident, perhaps exceeding bomb testing. Recent reports say readings are 10x higher in some places then the height of bomb test fallout. Radiostrontium was measured far out to sea and found to be 4 to 5 orders of magnitude above previous levels. Since the disaster, a high number of unusual mortality events of different species has occurred, many exibiting symptoms similar to radio toxins. The initial blasts sent plutonium and all the other radionuclides into the atmosphere which has been measured circling the globe every 40 days or so. The plutonium issue is probably huge since it dwarfs previous releases. Scientists have estimated that enough fallout was released to kill 400 earths-full of people. While this level of lethal dose is obviously not taken up by all individuals at once, the radionuclides will stay in the environment, recirculating and bioaccumulating. Plankton accumulate radioactive toxins 10,000 times. Fish stocks of been depleted up to 90% in the last few decades. This is of course truly alarming. Many causes have been found or theorized, mainly all man induced.


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                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  So I think you can see why most common sense folks could easily make the assumption that fukushima has something to do with these unusual die offs. In fact, it would be truly one of the wonders of the universe if the largest release of the worlds most toxic materials didnt have an effect. The suggestion that it has really had no major impact and is no cause for alarm, and that alarmed people are illogical doomsayers is simply preposterous, and this is why you will receive strongly worded responses. But if you are sincere and have an open scientific mind, you too will come to realize that the largest release of the most toxic poison on earth is in fact a big deal and that illness deformity and early death will be an inevitable outcome for untold innocent victims. Hope you stay around


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                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  I meant to say that some papers show a 90% drop in fish, especially predators over the last few decades. It is indeed difficult to say how much was caused by fishing, industrial chemicals or fallout. But as the saying goes fukushima could obviously be the straw that breaks the oceans back, ecologically. Its a huge release of poison, and its ongoing. How could this not be alarming? The hope is that knowledge of the catastrophe will cause the human species to end all nuclear, and other deadly and often corrupt short sighted practices so that the impact on future generations will be reduced. Is it far fetched to think that fukushima could tip the balance of the oceans ecology thus rendering many species extinct, eventually including humans? Three trillion lethal doses….hmmm it has to do something, dont you think?


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                  • imacmill

                    Thanks, CSD. Fukushima is definitely alarming, no question about it.

                    By the sounds of it, we're all already doomed, so what do you now propose? Do you believe that changing your diet is going to help you, for example? Where, and from whom, will you buy your specialized diet ingredients? Do you believe that moving from the west coast to the east coast will save you (the generalized you, not the specific you, and assuming you live in north america)? And speaking now to the specific you, what are your immediate plans for survival?


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                    • imacmill … do you have children?
                      or just no clue? Of course there is nothing we can do about fuku … silly goose. get real.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      imacmill, I cant adequately predict the next decade or two. Some serious scientists have estimated 60 million died from atom bomb tests. Because fukushima is added to this and released so much more plutonium, its reasonable to predict that millions will die over the next several decades.

                      Im less concerned, philosophically anyway, with my own mortality than the bitter weeping of young mothers, the many animal species and the future world. Since more nuke accidents are inevitable, nuclear would appear to spell the doom of the planet eventually.

                      I dont think the east coast offers a better chance of survival as the ecosphere and society is a web. Southern hemisphere yes, but I dont have funds for it.

                      Northern Japan, as south as Tokyo appears ruined based on levels of contamination being reported, resulting in the collapse of farming and fishing. Even the corrupt FDA is not allowing Japanese produce into the states.

                      Only sad and ruinous events can come out of this, but the time line and severity are open questions


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Imacmill, responding to your question what should we do, I think that all efforts should be made to slow the leaks at Fukushima. A water barrier around the plant, immense quantities of clay, ash, diatomaceous earth etc should go into the bay and probably on top of the reactors, although Im no expert.

                      There is no way to decontaminate the land, so large tracts will be uninhabitable forever. Water ways carry runoff into the ocean, so this is a place to filter.

                      The idea of nuclear should be ended, and this means that corrupt governments everywhere should come clean, a virtual impossibility. Neither law nor civil unrest has the power to put a moral compass in the ruling class. Thus, some slight amelioration slowing the inevitable is all that can be hoped for.

                      And no, other types of reactors are not the solution


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                    • harengus_acidophilus

                      No, no, no!

                      "Do you believe that changing your diet is going to help you, for example?"

                      You have to change your mind!
                      There is no right way of life in the wrong way of life.

                      h.


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                    • many moons

                      How about starting to look at this situation in a realistic way and arriving at the conclusion and using this as a reason to shut down the other NPP sitting ready to do the same melt down routine…that might buy everyone a spot more time to deal with the already deadly problem of FUKU.


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                    • Ana Ana

                      Correction to Codeshutdown: The corrupt FDA *does* allow nuclear contaminated produce from Japan into the USA. I was able to purchase (by accident) green tea from a store in Sacramento that was sourced from Japan. After testing it at home with my geiger counter I found it was 100x background. It is now in a landfill outside Reno (where we send our garbage). I also think that the Secretary of State promised Japan immediately after the meltdown that we would not test fish for radiation that is imported (citation?). Yes I know fish is not produce but I do think that the FDA is no barrier to any kind of lethal food from anywhere.
                      Ana in Sacramento


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Ana, an interesting list of FDA banned Japanese import items here

                      http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_621.html

                      Yes, radioactive stuff is being sold. Clinton made a promise, and the worst stuff was sold or given to the impoverished.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      "
                      "From June 1, 2012 to July 10, 2013 the Japanese Prime Minister also ordered the removal of the following products from the group of products restricted from distribution into the market:

                      � "Tea leaves from the Chiba, Gumna, Kangawa, and Tochigi prefectures; and

                      �" Pacific cod from the Iwate and Miyagi prefectures.

                      "This means these products may now lawfully be placed in the domestic or export market"


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                    • VanneV anne

                      We know they are mislabeling produce and meat and fish and other products to say that they come from provinces whose products have not been banned.


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                  • AllenH

                    I would like to add that "La Hague" nuclear recycling plant in France. Adds to Fukushima's waste. They have a pipe that goes out into the ocean, where the plant pours out highly radioactive waste 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The equivalent is like dumping 33 million 200 litre barrels of waste. then went up and measured what was coming out of the vent stacks that go high up in the air above the La Hague plant. What they found was shocking. They found tens of thousands of Bequerels of radiation per litre of air coming out of the vents at the time they measured.
                    Russia: Here is a link to the Russian Kyshtym nuclear disaster, equally as bad as Fukushima, and is also still killing today.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster

                    You can try avert the causes to other things imacmills, but you just lying to yourself as well as others. Try do a little research, it helps. Dont just follow. And this applies to everybody.


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              • We Not They Finally

                Does the whole ocean have to die off before you are willing to connect the dots? But if you are a newbie here, just keep reading. Find out how there is not just LESS marine life, but how many species are found with sores and lesions and tumors and seizures and unable to breed and emaciated or in the wrong part of the sea at the wrong time of the year, AND rising radiation counts.

                Just EDUCATE yourself. Don't wait until it's humans and it's cancer epidemics. Educate yourself NOW, please.

                By the way, you might start by educating yourself about three complete core-melt-throughs spewing exponentially higher levels of radiation into the sea and into the air, with no end in sight and apparently no way to stop it.

                You act like no one has met the burden of proof. Why don't you just EDUCATE yourself, then get back to us.


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              • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                Oh i don't know…Tru the water ? Just a wild guess ofcourse..


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            • We Not They Finally

              THANK YOU!! Just one example of the amazing service this website performs for anyone willing to listen.


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              • rakingmuck

                I have quite a few followers on my Twitter feed. There is only one way to deal with the Shamils of this world. Ignore them. They thrive on attention like spoiled brats. If they don't get the attention they crave they move on to someplace else to "act out". This person does not give a rats ass about dying sardines. He (or she) cares about one thing and one thing only – themselves. Don't waste your precious time or intelligence. All you will get in return is more inane statements and an acceleration to the inevitable self implosion. We have much bigger issues to deal with here than this nonsense.


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                • Sickputer

                  re: ignore the pesky know-it-all pigs because you both get dirty and the pig enjoys.

                  SP: Typically my response also, but the death of so many species and this radiation cloud over my head makes me break my rules on occasion. Leave no half-truth or mistruth unchallenged.

                  Readers come here to read the awful truth and by God I intend to give them my version of it and I will have evidence cited!

                  BTW…the west coast is looking lucky tonight for pollution flying on the Jetstream:

                  http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif

                  Some of us not looking so good. Blah blah in Texas.

                  But a big mass is approaching across from the central Pacific as you can see. The Fukushima Pipeline. Gets here much faster than many estimates you may have read.

                  How fast? "The core of the jet, a fast-moving wind current that blows west to east around the Earth, can reach speeds upwards of 275 miles per hour in the winter. These winds are stronger during the winter months because at this time of year the surface temperature contrasts are greater. The greater the contrasts in surface temperature, the stronger the jet stream winds blow."

                  http://theatmosphere.pbworks.com/w/page/20896568/The%20Jet%20Stream

                  SP: In the wintertime at 275 miles an hour the toxic radiation rising into the Jetstream at Fukushima Daiichi NPP reaches Los Angeles (5355 miles) in 19 hours. Bad for eagles and sardines.


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                • imacmill

                  Exactly how are you 'dealing' with this issue?


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                  • in between rad combat protocols some of us here deal in hunting down shills


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                  • Sickputer

                    imm sez: "how are you 'dealing' with this issue?'

                    SP: If you mean the Jetstream carrying poison across the globe..I carry an umbrella religiously for rain and snow, stay inside as much as my employment hours allow, use HEPA filters in car and home. And I never drink tap water, eat fish, or half a dozen other radiation prone foods.

                    Cherries from Chile are in my local store ten blocks away…blackberries from Mexico. Bottled water from artesian springs.

                    Lots of liposomal Vitamin C and sodium alginate.

                    Still won't necessarily save me or my family members, but it's the best fallout plan I have barring winning the Powerball. I have wonderful survival plans if I luck into 100 million dollars. Hello Southern Hemisphere islands! :-)

                    Take care imm. Enjoyed the discourse.


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          • 16Penny 16Penny

            Also imacmill, if you read the story. . .

            "If nature is responsible for the decline, history shows the fish will bounce back when ocean conditions improve. But without a full understanding of the causes, the crash is raising alarm."

            http://www.latimes.com/science/la-me-sardine-crash-20140106,0,3689464.story#ixzz2pb683ALk


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      • why is it on most of your posts, you plant doubt attacks about the source being radioactivity sourcing from Japan? I keep noticing this doubt attack pattern with you. please explain.

        Doubt and guilt are the only two spiritual weapons of evil on Earth.

        Don Bradley 1995

        Fukushima Research blog on articles and videos since 3-11-11
        http://dailymessenger.blogspot.com/


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    • Tedd Tedd

      Yes, and I'm Lawrence of Arabia.


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    • Lawrence, meet imacmill. Sardine crash raises alarm. But is not scary. No immediate threat i'm sure. Wales tell. We, not listening.


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      • imacmill

        Yes, it's a threat, but it's likely not caused by what you think it is. Sardone populations simply deplete sometimes, and it's unfortunate that Fukushima is a concurrent issue, given that you are all going to assume it's what's causing it.


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        • bo bo

          Yes, let's all lean into the fan to examine if it's indeed s**t that is hitting the fan.


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          • bo bo

            No. I do not assume fukushima is the reason.
            I do consider other things, such as the site of biggest nuclear waste dump site in ocean off the coast of san francisco, barrels of plutonium, some of which had holes shot into them when they wouldn't sink to the bottom of the ocean…
            Ya… I consider that might be a reason.
            Another minor problem could be the fact that the world's biggest nuclear waste site exists in Hanford, Washington and that tanks there containing the most radioactive nuclear waste known to man is leaking into the Columbia river.. and along this river that spews out into the Pacific ocean there has been a spike in deformed babies being born without brains… that might be pointing to something…maybe


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            • imacmill

              Yup, all big problems, but they are a separate issue from Sardine populations,and given that, why is this article on a nuclear energy-hating web site? Because drama, that's why.


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              • Jebus Jebus

                No, because Fukushima is gushing radionuclides into the Pacific Ocean. For almost three years…

                And please don't get upset because Nuclear Power is a failed technology. Who knew?


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                • imacmill

                  Does not compute. Sardine populations decline dramatically on their own. Likely unrelated to Fukushima. But the title of the article is sneaky, though…it uses the buzzword 'radiate', deliberately trying to form a (likely non-existent) link between sardines and Fuk. You obviously got suckered.

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                  [NOTE: It is the L.A. Times which uses the word 'radiate' in the headline -- "West Coast sardine crash could radiate throughout ecosystem". Interesting that someone could make comment after comment concerning this article, yet be unaware of this basic fact. -admin]


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                  • bo bo

                    The use of the word 'radiating' … that was more like a freudian slip, in my humble opinion.


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                    • 16Penny 16Penny

                      When you consider this information in context, it isn't just a coastal event. They are seeing species of wales which haven't been spotted for many years near the shore feeding, because those species stay in deep water out far from land. They are seeing unprecedented numbers of other species not migrating and not following normal patterns. The scientists, commercial fisherman, crew members of transoceanic ships, whale watching guides and oceanic biologists are all telling us through their quotes that no, this is not normal, it is unprecedented. That means it hasn't happened before. If all of these various species are starving and this is just because of the contamination in a particular area then can you explain why they don't just swim out to sea and eat? Or can you explain why they didn't migrate early when the food started to run out? many on here won't say it, I will. This is Fukushima. This is not a local event. This is an oceanic event.

                      Don't ask me for citations, I've done my reading before class, you do yours.


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                    • bo bo

                      Exactly, admin. Freudian slip by notoriously pro-nuclear L.A. Times


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                  • Jebus Jebus

                    You know what they say about "does not compute"?


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                  • weeman

                    That's how you sell newspapers, sensational journalism and key headlines.


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                • socref

                  I personally do not believe any technology that displaces dirty polluting coal is a failed technology.


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              • VanneV anne

                “…The Nevada nuclear tests have spread radiation poisons throughout central and eastern United States and Canada, and produced in the stratosphere a layer of radioactive material which encircles the globe. They also cause nitric oxides to form in the atmosphere which then descend on earth as acid rain. Radioactive chemicals can now be found in the organs, tissues and bones of every individual in the Northern Hemisphere, and the contamination from past nuclear explosions will continue to cause environmental and health problems for hundreds of thousands of years, even if all nuclear activities are stopped today. Siberian tests affect the north polar region….”
                http://www.ratical.org/radiation/NRBE/NRBE12.html


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                • imacmill

                  Now THIS I can buy,as we're talking about explosions is the upper atmosphere, making it very easy for radioactive particles to circle the globe. And while I don't (and can't) know for sure, it's entirely possible that many cancers around the world are caused by these persistent particles. But who knows…?


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                  • VanneV anne

                    Did you not see the explosions of Chernobyl and those of Fukushima.? There have been over 400 nuclear accidents and we just don't have video of all these accidents. And of the 400 reactors around the world and the 360 planned so far, these also cause acid rain from all the radionuclides they expel into the environment every day.


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                  • Sickputer

                    iMM sez…"Now THIS I can buy,as we're talking about explosions is the upper atmosphere, making it very easy for radioactive particles to circle the globe."

                    SP: Buy this…strontium-90 levels in the teeth of children born in the 1960s are fifty times higher than Americans born in the 1950s. That threat of global fallout extinction led to the Russian-American Limited Open Air Test Ban Treaty.

                    But get this kicker…all those bombs that blew before 1964 and all the Chinese and others who blew more until 1978…those mushroom high altitude explosions mostly blew into the mesosphere region which is far above the low pickings troposphere. 85% in fact of all that nuke bomb fallout is way high and rarely filters down into the weather layers.

                    The deadly 15% of fallout had rapidly dissipated over the 1960s to 1986 when Chernobyl replenished the troposphere with even worse fallout.

                    Fast forward to 2011 and things had been improving until Fukushima blew more radiation. Unlike the atomic and hydrogen bomb tests…all of Fukushima's aerial load is going into the most weather volatile slice of the atmosphere…the troposphere. And it is an enormous amount far dwarfing the puny amounts of nuclear bomb testing.

                    Nuclear plant explosions produce far worse fallout than bomb tests which are designed to kill mainly by heat and concussion. Fukushima toxic fumes are still rising every hour into the troposphere by the millions of becquerels. The water releases are even higher.


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                • Ana Ana

                  Thank you for the citation to the book excerpt regarding the obfuscation of health and exposure record keeping and the shift of the medical costs away from the source of the problem. I agree with the author. Keeping things confused or just an absence of data protects the nuclear industry.
                  Ana in Sacramento


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              • VanneV anne

                People don't hate nuclear energy here per se. They hate the dramatic rises in cancer and other diseases caused by radionuclides. They hate the death of the ocean. The plankton is responsible for much of the oxygen production on the planet. They hate the heat caused by nuclear waste. No way to turn it off.

                They hate the destruction of the environment and all the fish and animal deaths.

                Are you living on the Hanford Reservation? Do you allow your children to live there? Why is all the nuclear waste being given to the indigenous tribes?

                They hate all the poor children whose lives and health have been destroyed by Chernobyl.


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              • VanneV anne

                2053 Nuclear Explosions, Reactors & Waste Dumped in Ocean, LA S
                “The catalogue of waste dumped at sea by the Soviets, according to documents seen by Bellona, and which were today released by the Norwegian daily Aftenposten, includes some 17,000 containers of radioactive waste, 19 ships containing radioactive waste, 14 nuclear reactors, including five that still contain spent nuclear fuel; 735 other pieces of radiactively contaminated heavy machinery, and the K-27 nuclear submarine with its two reactors loaded with nuclear fuel.”
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEPRBbNmtGs

                Into Eternity 1 of 6 (What Happens to Nuclear Waste?)
                http://dotsub.com/view/8e40ebda-5966-4212-9b96-6abbce3c6577

                http://www.wilderutopia.com/environment/energy/finlands-nuclear-waste-100000-years-of-poison-into-eternity/

                Radioactive waste: Dumped and Forgotten
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaOX2rW0gc


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              • We Not They Finally

                "Nuclear energy-hating"? You know, people here aren't that dense. They don't get caught up in biting at your line.

                If by now, you are nuclear energy-LOVING, then I would say it is you who needs the education. No one is denigrating you. Just get educated.


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              • harengus_acidophilus

                Lol

                "but they are a separate issue"
                Separated like your brain and your heart?

                I would suggest, you alter your nick to "imbecil".

                h.


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          • imacmill

            It's disaster porn that's being manufactured here, and while I understand the allure of easy money with this sort of business model, you are all potentially scaring the shit out of some people that aren't able to handle it emotionally. Yesterday, I read a post on here from someone claiming they were 14 years old and really scared. One responder made a half-ass attempt to reassure this young person, but then closed off the post by telling him/her to keep coming to this site for information. I said nothing, but I should have told the 14 year old to stay the hell away from this site, because it's full of people like yourself that can't tell fact from fantasy.

            While it's true the mainstream media isn't telling us anything, that's a far better thing for the emotional health of a young person than some of then rubbish I read on here. So…to the 14 year old in question…if you're reading this, please stay away from this site. You will NOT get any sane and balanced information here.


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            • Jebus Jebus

              I read his posts and he handled the truth way better than you…


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            • How long have you been an agency asset for the Intelligence community?


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              • imacmill

                I'll tell you if you first tell me how long you've been an agent for the unintelligence community. Deal?


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                • rakingmuck

                  Now that gave you away. The immediate turn to being mean spirited after being called out is exactly what I experienced – the anger at being called out turned quite intelligent men into pure haters and they were stupid enough to put it in writing. Seen this show before, and you are part of it. Pass.


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              • rakingmuck

                I would also like to know if you have had any affiliation with the IAEA in your career. Your cadence is very familiar to me. The IAEA tried to recruit me for a new pro-nuclear group at LinkedIn about two years ago. I studied their press releases,comments about the events of 311 and so made comments highly similar in tone to theirs and yours imcmall. Within 3 months I was invited. I could share the very pissed off emails I received when I declined telling them I was merely outing them as despicable liars. But I won't. Saving them for a special occasion as what they committed to writing would be highly embarrassing even damaging if released.


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                • imacmill

                  I am absoluely, positively NOT pro-nuclear, and would like to see every reactor on the planet decommissioned. And I say this knowing perfectly well that it's the only real alternative to the world's dwindling oil reserves. Renewables such as wind and solar will only go so far, and the elimination of nuclear (in conjunction with oil depletion) will mean that human populations will drop dramatically over the coming decades/century. So be it.


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                  • VanneV anne

                    The populations are already dramatically declining because of radiation poisoning. Nuclear is definitely not the only real alternative to anything. It bankrupts and causes economic decline in every country adopting nuclear energy because it is exorbitantly expensive. It is polluting all the waterways in the whole world. Without water people cannot live.

                    All nuclear power plants vent radioactive air and water every day into the environment. They cannot exist without venting radioactive nuclides. No one could enter the plants if they were not continually venting radioactive air and water.
                    One of the video I posted for you tells about the 17,000 barrels of nuclear waste dumped into the Artic Ocean. There is already more nuclear waste in the world than the world can handle.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      Those are just the barrels dumped by Russia in the ocean. The Russians have also been dumping racioactive waste into the Sea of Japan since the 1950s. The Russians also have sunk many nuclear ships and submarines in the ocean. The decay heat from nuclear waste will be heating the world for more than a million years, and there is no way to turn it off.


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                    • imacmill

                      You seem like you're trying to convince me of the dangers of nuclear. Did you read what I wrote above? No convincing necessary.


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                    • VanneV anne

                      How is nuclear energy a viable energy source if it is so horrible?


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                  • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                    Renewables will get us so far as our determination to do the right thing will take them


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                  • rakingmuck

                    I am completely not interested in anything you have to say. Save it for someone who actually believes you. Don't Won't Bye


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                  • AllenH

                    I beg to differ, surely if man could invent nuclear reactors, we can do better than wind or solar ? Just we do not know what TPTB are keeping back from us. I think there are many new age energies that should be available, but darn why do the inventors always die in suicides and car crashes ?!


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            • Sickputer

              The 14-year-old might have been Dick Cheney and I could possibly be a lunatic escaped from an asylum. Some of us have reasons for anonymity, mainly the Silkwood legacy. Others like Arnie are braver and are advocates who carry a fearless torch of truth in public.

              But fortunately on the Internet information is more important than the poster. Judge pixels of light by your own evaluation without passing judgment on the entire site. Yes the signal to noise ratio is high. But the stakes for human survival are high also.

              Posters who offer no scientific data to prove we are in no danger are welcome to post here, but to me your claims of insanity are of no more concern to me than a dead irradiated bird that died in my backyard. And several have…

              We shall see who fares best in the final verdict of history.


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              • Sickputer

                Poorly worded…long day of work for me and I am about played out (and old to boot) *;-). I have outlived the lifespans of both my grandfathers so genetics is ticking fast for me.

                I meant to say dead birds killed by radiation are of far more concern to me than any new poster claiming Enenews posters post insane news.

                If this was my moderated site you would be banned immediately for insulting the members of this site. Lucky for you the administrator is not as rigid as me, a poster who has been on the Internet for nearly four decades.

                I have been probably only flamed only about as many times as I have fingers, but you are welcome to claim a spot of Internet archive history under my irradiated toes. I am pixel flameproof, unfortunately not radiation proof.


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              • imacmill

                I can't prove a negative, and nothing I've seen here proves a positive. I will change my view when/if I see some reliable data. But I noted in a different discussion that if FUK is a global threat, we will almost certainly not be told. The resulting panic would cause FAR more harm than the radiation would. I shudder to think about the dog eat dog calamity caused by a mass exodus from west to east. Radiation, OTOH, would simply increase cancer rates, and you may or may not (likely not) be affected. Which option sounds better to you?


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                • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                  Only the corrupt ones will go for eachother troath's , you know , the ones with a mindset of "easy money" so far gone they project it on anyone lol.
                  The good guy's collecting truth in the mildle of a censored by said corrupt ones disaster will try to organise and support eachother to encrease their chances..


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                • Sickputer

                  imacmill sez: "if FUK is a global threat, we will almost certainly not be told. The resulting panic would cause FAR more harm than the radiation would. I shudder to think about the dog eat dog calamity caused by a mass exodus from west to east"

                  SP: Tell your point of view to the millions of displaced refugees who fled Syria, Libya, Egypt, and scores of African countries. When your family is at risk, you flee. Regardless of whether it is machete-wielding thugs, rocket-launching soldiers, or hot radiation searing your bone marrow.

                  I'll take a good old panic any day over the lies of Big Brother. If you are in a dangerous location, come to Texas…nobody will oppose you fleeing a disaster.

                  "The rest of you can go to hell…and as for me I will go to Texas" –Davy Crockett


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                  • imacmill

                    You would take a stampede panic over someone lying to you?

                    Not me, so to each his own.

                    Where are you gonna stampede to, BTW? Do you have a safe harbor you're not telling us about?


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                    • Sickputer

                      imm sez: "You would take a stampede panic over someone lying to you?"

                      SP: Yep…they have smaller guns than Big Brother's goons. :-)

                      imm: "Where are you gonna stampede to, BTW? Do you have a safe harbor you're not telling us about?"

                      SP: Every good prepper has a rallying point and a designation for his extended family and I am no exception.

                      Staying in a city will be a death trap when the Internet and phones are gone and no food and water is accessible.

                      People should make plans for when there is nothing except what the wilderness will provide. And there is wilderness left in America. You just have to know where to hike or four wheel with supplies. Only the human apes who mimic the Ice Age survivors will survive a Nuclear Age.

                      If you're not up for it…then stockpile a bullet or pills for your final day on earth. There will be cannibals you know…


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                    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      And if there has to be a stampede , mostly of people awoken to late thanks to you know who…
                      We can Always try to redirect it over the heads of we know who …

                      ;)


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                    • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                      That was ment as a joke , not an call for violence .
                      And anyway , it will find the way itself
                      So you better switch sides and start educating imacmill..


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                    • name999 name999

                      ok, my choices are a stampede of panic or being lied to.

                      Gee, that makes lying sound kind of good and noble.

                      imac, you are brainwashed. Lies=Good!

                      Many people rise to the challenge in times of crisis. Many examples throughout history, so don't underestimate what people armed with the truth can do in a crisis…


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                • still waiting on research & links … imacshill.


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                • VanneV anne

                  Actually, there are a number of websites thought to be the controlled opposition, that is controlled by the elite, who are telling us that this is a terrible global catastrophe.


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                • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

                  Hey kettle meet black. "cause FAR more harm than the radiation would" and you know this how?? Quite and authoritarian statement. Where's your scientific evidence to back up this statement. How is this statement any different than any other unsubstantiated statement on this fear mongering site?


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                  • Sickputer

                    Name 999 writes above:

                    "Many people rise to the challenge in times of crisis. Many examples throughout history, so don't underestimate what people armed with the truth can do in a crisis…"

                    SP: +311. You nailed it.


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                • 16Penny 16Penny

                  Imacmill, are you familiar with the pain and suffering that most cancer patients endure?

                  by your dismissive language above I would guess not.

                  "would simply increase cancer rates, and you may or may not (likely not) be affected."

                  Or your friend, neighbor, mother, father, sons and daughters, aunts and uncles, nieces and nephews, dogs and cats, gold fish and ferrets, your children's pets, livestock, racing horses, natural populations of animals, and who knows what that we haven't even discovered.

                  Your world view seems narrow to me.


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                • harengus_acidophilus

                  I've had seen this pattern lots of time

                  "The resulting panic would cause FAR more harm than the radiation would."

                  The resulting change in mind would cause FAR more harm for TPTB.

                  Do you think, all men are stupid, emotionally driven animals with no brain? It's not really wise to generalize your own nature.

                  h.


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            • infounderload infounderload

              Alot of the commenters here are idiots.

              However, the info provided by this website aggregates some awesome info and allows people to come to their own conclusions. If imacmill don't like it he should go back to surfing porn and eating cheetos and drinking his red bull like the rest of the .gov shills that pollute the interwebs.

              To the scared 14 year old, don't eat fish, take your vitamins, stay out of the rain, get some exercise.


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              • imacmill

                So we're all just gonna come to our own conclusions, are we? Well here's my conclusions:

                Interweb pollution is found here, before I arrived. I was hoping that this might be a great place to see some sane, reasoned discussion, but instead I found you people. End of the world drama kings and queens.

                And to the 14 year old…do what the above poster says, but also don't come here looking for 'truth'. And question *everything.


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                • rakingmuck

                  Your are faking it and it is very obvious. "Stupid" is thinking anyone here does not know a nuclear shill when they read their words. We do.


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                • artika rama

                  immacil I agree with you that everyone has to be careful about jumping to conclusions and creating there own theories about natural phenoimena like sardines depletion etc. UNLESS we have scientific data we SHOULDNT try to GUESS what s going on . Thats not how science works.
                  If this site is about finding the truth (which we all know we are not going to get it from the main stream medai ) then we MUST have the responsibility to publish ONLY THE FACTS ,,,NOT THE ASUMPTIONS. Unless we do that we are only giving excuses to the pronuke movement to prove us wrong , to ridicule us and the whole antinuke movement will loose its credibility .
                  DO you have any research DATA to link sardine death to radiation ?? NO?? YOU CANT SAY ITS IS becouse of that ,,SO SIMPLE is that .. either do some research and prove it is caused by radiation or dont make your own theories unless you are an expert. Science does NOT work on guess wrok !!!This kind of GUESS WORK is very damaging to the antinuke movement . SHouldnt be here .

                  About 14 year olds 15 year olds ,, it may seem like a lot of 14 , 15 year olds are getting involved , trying to hear the other side of the story from antinuke activists ,, maybe its just me , but dont believe everything you read here on internet . Not evferything is what it s supposed to be .
                  Peace.


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                • tsfw tsfw

                  Imbecil, I mean Imacmill the shill-

                  As I read your first few comments I thought that you were just someone who hadn't yet educated themselves and so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, and expected that once these fine people gave you some food for thought, that you would come back with something intelligent to say. The people in here have spent thousands upon thousands of hours researching this issue and until you have done the same, you should keep your ignorant mouth shut. You don't have to agree, but at least disagree with an educated clue. The only thing I have to look forward to about this whole catastrophe, is watching people like you eat their radioactive words. Feel free to come back and apologize for the unwarranted ridiculing.


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                  • artika rama

                    tsfw There is some truth in what immacill is saying . It is irresponsible to draw ouer own colclusions , make our own theories about sardine death (or any other phenomena ) unless we have DATA . Unless you are an expert in the subject you CANNOT make your own theories. This is not how we will find the truth.
                    Dont get me wrong , i do think that all that radiation is killing the pacific , that is my personal opinion , but i may NEVER claim that sardines are dying because of the radiation ,, two different things .We must wait till enough research is done , untill there is proof , and ONLY THEN we can say radiation is killing sardines etc . I think we all should be VERY carefull about this , or we may be only giving cause to the pronuke movement to use against us .


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                    • many moons

                      You don't have to be an expert to realize when things are going horribly wrong.

                      I didn't have to go any further than my own backyard to see the deformed vegetation and know that it was FUKU and it is here to stay.


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                    • artika rama

                      many moons STill that is only your OPINION ,, NOT a scientific FACT .
                      What if tomorrow some scientists shows that sardines are getting some kind of viral disease and thats why they are dying ?? How would that influence the antinuke movement if today we are claiming it being caused from radiation ? We will be debunked and ridiculed .
                      Just one guy , one website published the wrong map about radiation dispersion in the pacific (instead he used tsunami dispersion map ) and THAT is still being used against the whole antinuke movement .
                      The worst thing you can do to antinuke movement is spread misinfo ,, so unless we ARE SURE ,, whats going on ,, we shouldnt claim what it is >
                      All we have to do is present the facts and the story tells itself ,, we dont need to do more .


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                    • tsfw tsfw

                      So while we wait another 3 years for this data are we all supposed to turn off our brains and never speculate or discuss? And can you talk about sardines without talking about the other creatures affected who share the same ecosystem? To base the entire argument of is it radiation or not, entirely on sardines, when we all know about the other anomalies is to leave out big chunks of the equation. Data would be wonderful, everyone in here has been asking for it. What little data exists, I have encountered on this site, and I suppose I have the benefit of lurking here since the beginning and watching one thing after another come true. If I were to jump in today I would be lost and skeptical as well. I understand wanting data, who in here doesn't but you can't get blood from a stone.


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                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      artika rama, if you put enough fish poison in an aquarium to kill all the fish, which subsequently go belly up, should you maintain a strict "scientific" stance that no one can say for sure if the poison killed the fish?


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                    • artika rama

                      tsfw , Everybody is free to express there own feelings their opinion but unless you are an oceanologist you cannot claim fish are dying from radiation .
                      codeshutdown I understand the frustration with all this fuku disaster going on , nobody doing anything about it , and as i mentioned earlier i do think fukushima is ruining the whole pacific , but in the end we need the facts , we need numbers , otherwise its just guessing . You can never be sure of why the fish are dying and its premature to say its because of fukushima.
                      Just an example : what if its because of global warming ? what if its because of poolution ? or over fishing , that imbalanced the whole ecosystem and caused malnutrition of sea lions and so on and on . Can be a million things . ALTHOUGH it seems like radiation is the cause of it ,, we MUST be able to prove it .
                      WE need the numbers . WIthout the data we have nothing .
                      codeshutdown Ifyou put fidsh poison in an aquarium and all the fish go belly up you could say its because of the poison , but in this aquarium there is a poiosnous sea snake , a poisonous coral , a posionous jeyy fish etc etc who can ALL kill the fish , so it could be any of those. We think its the poison who killed the fish but we need to test the fish to be sure.
                      In short we can NOT base our facts on ASSUMPTIONS ,, PERIOD ,, we need the dDATA ..


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      artika, inside a world supposedly run by intellects whom are very highly educated…I see no data, I hear no data.

                      Countries passing massive sweeping secrecy laws purposely created such laws that allow them now to share no data! :(

                      They control the data! :(

                      Therefor it's from the radiation, until "you" prove otherwise with data! :)


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      Yes, if the international, national, and state governmental agencies involved refuse to test and then publish those tests. . .

                      we must treat the event as a worst case scenario.

                      Because, they are not testing for one or both of these reasons:

                      (a) they fear the truth IS the worst case scenario and people will stop buying seafood until Tepco actually excavates the coriums, or
                      (b) they are being told by their advisors that the people will panic and overreact to any results no matter how minor.

                      Hint: their advisors fear (a).

                      In other words, if you stop buying seafood altogether and demand cleanup until they test, they'll have no reason not to test. . .


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                    • artika rama

                      obewanspeaks well then the pronuke activists could also claim its from global warming , or from polluiton , or from BP disaster etc etc untill "you" prove otherwise cant they ?
                      In the end some scientist in some university will do the research and publish the results . Untill then we are only guessing . ANd i dont want to beleive that ALL the scientist in ALL the universities are sold .
                      Think of it a s a murder case . Even tough you have a victim , laying on the ground stabbed to death , and a suspect standing next to him with a knife while fresh blood dripping from it . What do you do ? You dont just go and hang him right ? Innocent untill proven guilty as they say . The same applies here ,, we still need the facts , to make a case . Untill we have the facts we are only guessing .


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      "ANd i dont want to beleive that ALL the scientist in ALL the universities are sold ."

                      It's the grant funding sources that control the scientists.

                      No money to do research, no money to publish, publish or perish.

                      It's hard to get a man to believe something if his livelihood depends on him not believing it. Conversely, scientists are just like other humans, if you throw enough money at them they will tell you whatever you want to hear.

                      As one of their operatives once told me "we create economic realities."


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Nope! We are three years in and all the news is very bad and all the data is definitely pointing right at those 3 Nuclear Core Meltdowns that occurred right on the Pacific Ocean.

                      We have not changed the ocean currents yet, but 98% sea snot coverage does not bode well for any investigator that might be looking elsewhere for who committed all this murder of ocean life. :(

                      Until "you" provide the other data for this investigator I will assume it's the massive spewing radiation contamination taking all these animals/biological life out!


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                    • artika rama

                      again , now when i read my own text it sounds like i am against all those claims that fuku is poisoning the pacific and killing all the fish and animals etc ,, I AM NOT ,, i think fukushima IS the reason for lots of those dieseases / changes die offs ,,happening now , all i am saying is to be able to make a case , to convince people , to inform them about this disaster , its NOT enough ONLY to tell what we think ,, we NEED THE FACTS ,, OR WE HAVE NOTHING ,, we cannot win this by only presenting our opinions .
                      I know , it looks like duck , walks like duck etc etc ,, but we need at least the dna of the duck to prove its a duck ,, it HAS TO BE SO CLEAR CUT ,, otherwise we wont be able to convince anyone , It is a tough battle , one which we cannot win by just our opinions , WE NEED THE DATA >


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      BTW, global warming was one of their "economic realities."

                      Taxes and derivatives on fossil fuel emissions relate to directing and profiting from post-peak oil shortfalls, and thus keeping the status quo in place as the global pie shrinks. They don't care whether it's true or not, or how serious it is.


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Bring me the data! Go get it! Got it! :)

                      Shut all these Nuclear Rattle Traps down now.. worldwide!

                      Do it right now for they have no clue what they are doing.

                      Isn't this clear (they have no clue what they are doing) by now for all those humans that can read and write? :(


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                    • artika rama

                      obewanspeaks , Unless you are a scientist you cannot make that statement . Unless you come with numbers , to prove it you cannot claim radiation is the reason those animals are dying . Thats not how it works , thats not how you find the truth.

                      Alaskan ice I know about that grand founding source that control the scientists ,, infact there was an interview with the ex editor of the new england journal of medicine ( which is like one of the authorities in medical research ) ,, just a few months ago ,, and he said , he didnt know how much we can trust EVEN THE MEDICAL research ,, so one can only guess how it is in other subjects ,,
                      But in the end i do believe that NOT ALL the scientists are sold . Not in my personal experinence anyway .


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                    • artika rama

                      I have to leave it there for now , in my time zone it s very late ,, have to go now .
                      Nice talking to you all .
                      Take good care.
                      Peace .


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      Many in power believe that the people don't care about the lies, any lies.

                      I believe the power brokers fail to see that this particular set of lies regarding nuclear power has the very real potential to politically detonate in a way that other lies haven't.

                      To some of the people, lies about fiat money printing and commodity fixing are like little white lies that keep them fed, fat and happy, on disability, or cramming their garage with four-wheelers and stuff from wal-mart. They won't look that gift horse in the mouth. What's more, these lies are so all pervasive now that they are the only currency of truth and false leadership that our power brokers now understand.

                      But nuke lies are deadly different, and have the real potential to wake people up and change things.


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      See my last post! :) I can say whatever I want too!

                      Thank you very much!


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                    • artika rama

                      obewanspeaks ,, WE HAVE TO ,,and we WILL win this battle .
                      Peace .


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      Agreed that the data is the objective, even if it shows what we fear.

                      The other problem with absence of data is that the power brokers can easily create yet another political (or in this instance international) dialectic:

                      Obscure a giant, dangerous, and fearsome truth with the nearly complete absence of official recognition. This creates two sides of a global dialectic, the believers and the unbelievers.

                      The believers (more than 50% in the west) who have been economically conditioned to go along with the official words, in this case the official silence denial.

                      The unbelievers (more than 50% of the developing world) who are now eager to hate and disbelieve the west and thus denounce it's denial of nuclear power concerns.

                      The side of the dialectic in the developing world refuses to build nuclear plants (and thus proliferate bombs) by popular demand, while, on the other hand, the other side of the dialectic, in the west, retains its status quo, but by popular credulity.

                      Result: It's better than the non-proliferation treaty because it's grass-roots in the third world, but it doesn't change anything or really solve any global safety concerns.

                      From their perspective, they'll turn a big unexpected and disastrous mess into a win-win. A win for Tepco that doesn't have to clean it up, and a win for the geopolitical great game thinkers that get to fool the third world masses into doing what they want, yet again, I guess, but this time by fooling them with…


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      . . .the truth.


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      Western policymakers, allies, and corrupt local leaders have made half the world hate US more and more for the last 50 years. Now, in the global information age, rather than fix the problem, they will try to turn that divide into another controlled dialectic, another version of left and right, democrat and republican.


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                    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                      Alaskan Ice, Yes, that would be the …truth!

                      You are very wise! :)


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                    • Alaskan Ice Alaskan Ice

                      You are the wise one here. I'm just suspicious.

                      That's why I cringe when people exaggerate one side or the other. That's why I have concerns about the motives of the mysterious sponsors of this website. . . I don't want to participate in a contrived dialectic stalemate that preserves the status quo, but I am willing to help steer the honest truth seekers away from it.

                      Anyway, that's also why the data is important. In the absence of data, I support a ban, on principle, to get them to produce the data. Problem is for a ban to work, it would need a pretty big following, maybe 20% or more of the consumers.


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                • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

                  I'm only twee an' ha'f yeaz old…


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              • 16Penny 16Penny

                infounderload,

                said: "Alot of the commenters here are idiots."

                "a lot – alot (must be two words)"

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonly_misspelled_English_words#A.E2.80.93B

                The red squiggly line underneath was a hint.


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            • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

              WHAT easy money are you talking about ????????
              Explain what you mean !


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            • VanneV anne

              Some people can handle the truth and some can't. I doubt that there are any people here who can't handle the truth. People who can't handle the truth simply won't come to this website. It is hard to watch any newscast that has no unhappy news. What news media do you recommend? Is there any news media outlet that has no unhappy news. How many times was the 9/11 buildings collapsing shown on the main stream media? How many unhappy movies are shown on cable TV? I can't even watch the ordinary channels anymore because there is so much violence.

              You are welcome to add scientific articles here to prove your point. But calling names is not a substitute for scientific proof.

              In my opinion, anyone who is not afraid of nuclear power plants is someone who doesn't have the truth or if they have the truth, their head is in the sand.

              How close to a nuclear power plant or multiple nuclear power plants do you live? Or do you live near a nuclear weapons production facility or a nuclear waste dump? Do you really a family unaffected by heart attacks, strokes, or cancer?


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              • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

                Hi anne , do you know the difference between an ostrich and a "homo sapiens" shill ?


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              • artika rama

                anne its true soem people are having difficult time facing the facts , but what good is calling them shills and insulting them etc . Arent those the ONES we are supposed to inform ? People who can see the truth are allready convinced right ? We have to try to convince the people who DONT know the truth am i wrong ? and by calling names and insults is NOT the way to go .
                We must INFORM ,, NOT INSULT ,,
                We must present THE FACTS ,, NOT OUR OWN THEORIES<<
                I do believe that all those animals are suffering from radiation , but i may NOT say it as it is a FACT ,, unless proven , we cannot claim that .
                We must wait till the research is done and only then we KNOW what s going on , untill then its just GUESS WORK >


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            • humptydumpty

              I am 60 and I'm really scared too, and not irrationally, as you might think.


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              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                Reassuring comment at veteranstoday.com above.. :(

                "Judgedredd
                September 11, 2013 – 4:10 pm
                I’m lying in hospital right now just turned 44 with bowel cancer and a tumour between my ass cheeks the size of an egg.
                Beside me in the next bed a 47yr old ex marine fit as a flea malignant brain tumour 12-14 months to live.
                Both from Dumfries&Galloway West coast of Scotland the cancer hospital I’m in is full to capacity.
                I don’t doubt anything your saying Bob."


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            • VanneV anne

              “…Fukushima Equals 3,000 Billion Lethal Doses
              “Dr Paolo Scampa, a widely know EU Physicist, single handedly popularized the easily understood Lethal Doses concept. “Lethal Doses” is a world wide, well understood idea that strips Physics bare and offers a brilliant, understandable explanation for all the physics gobbledygook Intelligence agencies and their respective governments use to disguise the brutal truths of the Fukushima Daiichi Disaster.
              “Fukushima from 21,000 ft TKY
              “Three thousand billion (3,000,000,000,000) Lethal Doses of Radiation means there are 429 Lethal Doses chasing each and every one of us on the planet, to put it in a nutshell. This is up from about 70 Billion Lethal Doses March 23, 2011. It is getting worse everyday without any intervention by the US and the other nuclear powers….”
              http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/28/fukushima-how-many-chernobyls-is-it/


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            • We Not They Finally

              That's your big sell? That it's YOU who cares for the emotional health of children? Do you even have any idea the caliber of concerned people whom you are insulting?

              Look, if you don't like this website, go somewhere else. Otherwise, GET BTTER EDUCATED before you spout off.


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            • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

              I knew that 14 yo post seemed odd. Now I know it was fake.


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              • AllenH

                I had that suspicion as well. It just came over as weird when I read it, a bit to clean cut, husky picture,etc…


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              • bo bo

                Yes, was a set up.
                If imachill really cared that much about the poor 14 yr old, then where was he? He never wrote her a single caring message other than indirectly say: ' ya. Just don't eat fish.' Great message to a heart broken youth. Meanwhile, the so called 'fear porn' 'doomsdayers', the enenews regulars had messages of hope and kind words for her – regardless of whether she was real, or just a bait set up by imachill himself.


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            • PurpleRain PurpleRain

              imacmill, you need to spread your PRO-NUKE garbage elsewhere!


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            • unincredulous unincredulous

              err, what about the child's physical health? Once anyone becomes aware as this child is, it would d"o more emotional damage to tell her to go shopping and fahgetaboutit.

              "Hey kid, yeah there is a serial killer running around in your neighborhood. I don't want to upset you, so yeah, don't ask about it again. Jump some rope, go shopping."


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            • KidIcarus KidIcarus

              I've had a woman with ties to the nuke industry on my FB feed using the same talking points:
              1. You're fear mongering.
              2. "There's no evidence it's linked to Fuku".
              3. "Fuku doom sells. It's all about the $."

              It's the last one that's weird. We know here at ENEnews, better than anyone, that most people don't give a shit about Fuku. I doubt the admin here is getting wealthy off this.

              I'll call it – it sounds an awful lot like a "Fuku Talking Points Memo" has been circulated to the pro-nukers.


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            • artika rama

              imacmill It is NOT disaster porn . People here are only trying to warn you about a danger that is being covered up massively by MSM . It is very frustrating to all of us to watch some idiots ruining our whole world , all life on this planet so that they can make money , so you can imagine that tensions can get very high .
              Everyone can claim they are 15 year old to aproach you with another stand point to see what your thoughts are about the subject ,(i have experienced it several times in other discussion forums )so be cautious of that .
              You are right , nobody should claim sardines are dying becasue of radiation ( YET ) untill we have the real data about these mass deaths ,, unless ofcourse they are experts in that field to make those kinds of predictions .
              However ,, there is a crime being committed , thats going to kill millions of people , destroy huge amounts of flora fauna , and people are kept in the dark about it . This is the biggest disaster humanity has ever faced and they are playing it down as if there was a forest fire in fukushima and its all gone and finished . Fukushima is still very active and most probably going to get worse. FUKUSHIMA DID NOT END !!
              The more we get informed , and the more people we can inform the sooner we can stop this madness , before it kills the whole life on this planet . Hope you get better informed .
              peace.


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      • if it's water temperature at least it'll be A Lot warmer soon.
        NOAA says, good news
        http://www.fishwatch.gov/seafood_profiles/species/sardine/species_pages/pacific_sardine.htm

        NOAA might want to know of the current crises…
        "Today, this species and fishery are thriving once again under active, science-based management, and conservative catch quotas."

        We can rule out over-fishing now.

        imacmill, can you please be more specific explaining "populations 'simply' deplete 'sometimes'"? Thank you.


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      • …perhaps … "something" … while imac no fuku shrills

        Cesium was especially prevalent in certain of the species:
        http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/218/looks-troubling-irradiated-sardines.2012-05-02

        92 per cent of the sardines…
        94 per cent of the anchovies…

        i think you're right, imacmill. it HAS to be something. a little of this a little of that. nothing scary
        http://fluency21.com/blog/2013/12/05/toxic-waste-major-global-threat/

        Tepco 'leak and seep' reports July-December 2013
        http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_update&edis_id=ED-20130729-40264-JPN

        sure. just more becquerels in the bucket. nothing alarming.
        We'll wait for NOAA to get back to us

        waiting…
        waiting…


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  • many moons

    "Experts warn marine mammals and seabirds are starving, may suffer for years to come…." They will suffer until they die…off…I really don't think that will be years to come..


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  • Sickputer

    If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and dies like a Fukooed duck…guess what? It's a dead irradiated duck (sardine).

    Mass extinctions of sardines, salmon, eagles, butterflies…I don't believe in coincidences. Especially when scientists knew for decades a major blowup at a single nuclear power complex could decimate life on the globe.

    The contaminated water flowing from Fukushima is deadly to man and beast. Rich people can buy 10,000 year-old glacier water, or from protected springs. Clean water will be as valuable someday as in the Mad Max movies.

    The contaminated air is also as deadly and it falls in water sources everywhere it rains or snows.

    Today my grandson played in the snow in Missouri according to my daughter. When I was young the government actually warned us to avoid snow after the massive 1966 Chinese nuclear air blast. It is so hard to see how times have changed.

    There is an oppressive silence coming from Washington. Just like the good old Kodak days when the AEC was blackmailed by Kodak executives into revealing secret open air blast test schedules.

    John Q. Public was left out of the loop until they feared children were going to die from strontium-90 from open air bomb fallout. W

    here are the 2014 warnings for radiation? Silence and West Nile Virus lies…


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  • Daisy207

    Once again I ask the question – Why have we seen no tables of data with radioactive components (lots of them) measured in mg/L, mg/cm etc? No Maps of where samples are collected and dates and times of collection. THEY (whoever they are) have to be sampling air, soil and water. Have the people collecting data already left their jobs and moved? Where are the data? Why has Miami disappeared from NETC – numbers too high? Just asking.


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    • We Not They Finally

      Denver disappeared too. Albuquerque (where we are) may be next. It recently spiked to over 1,000 CPM beta. We're trying to move, just not right away. But it's scary.

      We're looking seriously into blanket immune protections best we can. A good one seems to be liposomal vitamin C. That's makes the vitamin C at least four times as absorbable. Just put three tablespoons of non-GM lecithin and one tablespoon powdered vitamin C into a blender with a pint of water for a minute or two. Then run through an ultrasonic cleaner for six minutes.

      This is easy. Anyone can do it.


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      • Sickputer

        WNTF sez: "We're looking seriously into blanket immune protections best we can. A good one seems to be liposomal vitamin C."

        SP: Wonderful stuff for some of the bad poisons, but plutonium particles aren't fazed by it apparently. One spec in your lungs can either stay there and blow up your DNA (lung cancer) or migrate through the blood system to produce excruciating blood or bone marrow cancer (the really painful demise…save that last bullet for those pains).


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    • Sickputer

      Daisy207 typed these pixels of light: "THEY (whoever they are) have to be sampling air, soil and water. Have the people collecting data already left their jobs and moved? Where are the data? Why has Miami disappeared from NETC – numbers too high? Just asking."

      SP: I doubt the pencil pushing nucleorat liars have fled…they are just not up for a global escape like more moneyed folks (think Bill Gates doesn't have an awesome escape plan for his family?).

      And to answer your question, yes they are liars and have taken radiation monitoring stations offline since the very beginning of 311.

      I caught them posting fake data after the August 2011 Great Eastern USA earthquake damaged the Washington Monument and 60 miles west damaged the North Anna NPP station in Virginia. THE GOVERNMENT GOONS POSTED FALSE RADNET DATA three hours early for the RADNET station there. I posted the indisputable proof online.

      Now they just take the monitors completely offline with no explanation. Yes, the numbers are freaking high and have been for nearly 3 years. Welcome to the mysterious world of Entergy and GE-Hitachi…the real presidential delegation of America.


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    • Ana Ana

      Why is because our government suppresses radiation data and information on the health and environmental effects of radiation. I feel so betrayed.
      Ana in Sacramento


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  • rogerthat

    Well, i suppose we can all wait until the test results are in, and then we will know whether fuku killed the sardines. and the crustaceans. and the sealions. and the polar bears. and the bald eagles. and the elk. and the starfish. and the birds and the bees and the cigarette trees. ah, yes, the test results. sorry, i forgot, silly me, no-one is testing because why would you test, radiation is harmless.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    [T]he crash is raising alarm. The alarm on our rad detectors, yep.

    I saw this coming, when the R3 detonated. We humans would be forced to sit here and reflect on the way things in nature used to be. As a lad I fell asleep to the calls of Whip-poor-wills, Nightingales, owls. By day the Blue Jays called sparrow songs rang out in all the trees. Ravens called, nature abounded. 2 years ago the birds here were in multitudes, they squawked and chirped in the SW Pines throughout the valley. Eerily silent today, even the trees themselves now look sick.


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  • rogerthat

    wow, i hope he's being paid by the word, soon will be rich enough to retire ha ha ha


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  • Sickputer

    When I saw the big station whiteout China Syndrome on the Fuku1live cam June 10, 2011 I immediately had a cold chill and commented to my fellow co-workers that the Japanese were doomed in the Tokyo metroplex area.

    Little did I know I was so wrong…the global death rate of carbon based life forms is going to be so many times larger. Already billions of wildlife organisms have died. Many humans have died and the results covered up (look up statistics on livebirth deaths and abortions in Japan and you see blank spaces since 2011).

    The sardines extinction is so obviously toxic radiation-related that even the millionaire movie stars are selling their Malibu mansions.

    How do you stay out of reach of a deadly snake strike? Move farther away from its fangs. Real estate values soon will be rising east of the Rockies…sad to say the west coast is headed for health issues and financial trouble this year. More than just a poor sardine fisherman going broke.


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    • rakingmuck

      I am glad you made the point about real estate in Los Angeles and also the number of people moving. It is always hard to site a specific statistic on the wealthy directors and actors leaving Los Angeles; having said that it hardly goes unnoticed when their houses go up for sale. About two months ago a reporter for a Hollywood trade magazine told me the number was between 2000 and 3000 and expected to go much higher. Not being part of that particular set I am part of the group of people related to the industry but hardly rich or famous. We are just now making the decision to leave. I finally put my plans into motion this weekend. That number is going to be much higher. People in Los Angeles are very aware of this and even those whose heads are in the sands of denial know their homes will sharply decline in value if they wait until 2015 to sell. I hear this conversation daily now. I expect the number of people leaving Los Angeles County this year will greatly exceed 10,000.


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  • name999 name999

    …the radiation is harmless…I am crying…


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  • Colinjames

    Well, I'm no expert, but sardine crash can't be good. Starfish melting. Whales going bananas. Seals and polar bears losing their fur. Fish bleeding out every orifice. Steam rising from the general vicinity of what used to be a reactor, and tons of irradiated water flowing daily into the Pacific for three years. Lies and damn lies the entire time. DHHS orders 14 million iodine pills to be delivered by Feb 1st… But for god's sake don't scare the teenagers! THAT'S not cool.


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    • rakingmuck

      The teenagers on my street – who I talk to daily – are more informed on this issue than their parents. I live in one of the trendiest neighborhoods in LA – only because I moved here when it was not trendy. Nothing escapes these young adults. I was literally shocked when they trusted me enough to explain to me they had organized a three-block "sentry" or group of young men already working on keeping our neighborhood safe from people going nuts if Fukushima goes sideways. The average home has 2 generators because they forced their parents to "deal with it" along with food and water supplies for 2-3 years. These teenagers are more prepared for what is coming than any adult I know.


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      • Sickputer

        RM sez…"The average home has 2 generators because they forced their parents to "deal with it" along with food and water supplies for 2-3 years"

        SP: Hmm…I need more neighbors like that in Texas! Tell them prices of Texas houses are half their house price. If they can sell this spring or summer they can buy even more ELE supplies and move east. :-) We're not as progressive as Colorado, but the altitude is lower. 1700 feet where I live. 500 feet in Dallas area. 50 feet in Houston.


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        • rakingmuck

          Most of my neighbors have lived on this street for generations and have no intention of moving. I was pretty impressed (blown way actually) at how prepared they were versus pathetic me with a 72 hour food supply. Those that are thinking about moving or have moved are either wealthy or like most Angelinos – they moved here from somewhere else and do not have roots. Me? I am moving to Denver and I only rent.


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      • bf9 Fitz

        I would actually have to agree. I myself am just outside of teenage years (21), and those my age are extremely concerned and aware of our situation. My own parents have difficulty even wrapping their heads around it and those of my friends listen, then brush it off and continue about their daily lives. I attribute this to normalcy bias as they've been living in a time where nothing bad has happened to them, in a country that has been asleep since "the greatest generation". What a laughable phrase- I look at them as the beginning of exactly the opposite. Example… immediately pre WWII when the Nazis were knocking on Poland's door. Many said "Hitler will never come here/it won't be a problem/nothing to worry about" and, well, look at how that ended up for them.

        Sad really, as my parents are plenty old enough to remember "duck and cover". They know exactly what radiation means. Another (younger) family member angrily tells me, "If we're all going to die, why worry about it so much and just go live your life?" Valid point, but it shows the mentality of what we're up against…"I'd rather just go full steam ahead and eliminate any hope of a fix". The selfishness, greed, and shortsightedness is in all of us I'm afraid as many a philosopher have stated- we must overcome these on a personal level if we're going to have a shot at this.

        This time, I think the young and "inexperienced" as I'm so universally called may know better.


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        • rakingmuck

          Could not agree more. I am very impressed with your generation and even those younger, 15-18, who are smart enough to be growing their own community based initiatives and not counting on the government for anything. I am truly sorry my generation did not have the internal wisdom to not leave you with such a mess. I learn more from young people like yourself than anywhere.


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      • DisasterInterpretationDissorder DisasterInterpretationDissorder

        rakingmuck
        January 6, 2014 at 2:19 am · Reply

        "…Nothing escapes these young adults. I was literally shocked when they trusted me enough to explain to me they had organized a three-block "sentry" or group of young men already working on keeping our neighborhood safe from people going nuts if Fukushima goes sideways. The average home has 2 generators because they forced their parents to "deal with it" along with food and water supplies for 2-3 years. These teenagers are more prepared for what is coming than any adult I know…."

        ————-

        Thats excellent to here rakingmuck !


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      • Colinjames

        You realize I was goofing on the thread above don't you. Was sarcasm. Good on the teenagers on your street. They should be scared, as in very concerned, as apparently your local kids are. See a LOT of people with their heads in the sand. Not sure if you think I was being serious.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    I read through this stuff & see what the video games have done to damage many minds. In a virtual world things are perfect, supply never ends, & needed items simply re spawn. The real world however can't handle our "it will never run out" thinking.


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  • SophieQ

    Fukushima is a real bad and potentially deadly event to all life on earth.
    Only imashill thinks it's all some hyped up nonsense. Sure we need more nuclear power plants. Because of oil, you know.

    We need to see the unfolding of Fukushima in a different light. All those good complacent, 'I buy whatever what my gov tells me' folks will vanish. Seems like those mentally compromised 'economic growth is good' consumers are receiving their deadly dose as we type.

    While I could care much less about all the humans getting fried, as they are responsible for this mess in no small terms, what really makes me sad is that the Fauna and Flora gets shafted right now like never before. And don't tell me that asteroids, or meteorites were hitting Earth before – decimating life drastically at times.

    This is a 100% stupid men fugk-up. Nature had nothing to do with – other than having provided the breeding ground for the most devolved species ever to roam the Earth.

    Humans do not deserve to make it. Period. Glad that all the aholes are going to die, too.


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    • We Not They Finally

      I understand your cynicism. But do try to keep your humanity and compassion in tact. Because that dignifies YOU. And a lot of GREAT people are in the line of fire, too.

      Don't let what happens to us erode who we ARE.


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  • Socrates

    I see situations all of the time where there are multiple causes of an injury or illness in court. Expert witnesses are retained to review all of the medical records. Other witnesses may be accident reconstruction experts. Other experts are biomechanical experts or accident construction experts. At other times, we hire toxicologists, radiologists, oncologists… The list is potentially infinite. The plaintiff's burden of proof is by a preponderance of the evidence in civil jury trials.

    Scientists are not concerned with opinions about what is a likely cause because they deal in degrees of statistical significance that are very high to establish that one factor such as radiation causes another event. In public health, the precautionary principle places the burden on those who seek to add toxic exposures to the environment to prove that these toxins are not deleterious.

    If a toxin might be a factor, then it should not be added to the environment until proven to be safe.

    We are looking at heavy metals and radionuclides that bioaccumulate and a temporal relationship between low level but continuous exposures. There are many other toxic exposures of mankind's activities to fish populations. Should we proceed with these exposures to extinction or employ a precautionary principle?

    Many food chain have been disrupted by many factors. If we assume that radiation is not one of those, we face extinction. So stop dumping radiation all over until it is proven to be safe.


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  • Ontological Ontological

    With mostly propaganda for news. All we have is pure speculation. Without proper data, it is all speculation. Demanding literary perfection in user blogs, looking for weakness and hammering people with words is USELESS. It's like using a robotic nailing machine on your own coffins! Wake up! We need IDEAS not finger pointing & money grubbing over what to divest from.
    Get ACTUAL data yourself, determine if your home is safe. NO ONE even cares about you, your family and will NOT come to your rescue. Nadda. When it gets down to duking it out in a Wal-Mart for what is left of the food. Some of us out here will have spent that time having conditioned our bodies to eat 2 meals a week, and to be very aware of mind, and unhindered by the toxins of body doing so. Fasting works, been 4 years now reducing intake of toxins from practicing minimalist logic.


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    • rakingmuck

      Excellent advice. There is where the generational difference I have been posting about really shows. Our generation is still waiting for aliens to save us – except for the 10% who has accepted no one is coming as you have stated. Younger people are so much more wise having grown up in a world of turmoil, and have become much more self reliant and community (and I mean the street is your community) oriented. I have been following this disaster for nearly three years and am ashamed to say I am only now reducing toxins and eating the way I should have during those years. Better late than never. Believe me I know no one cares and it is everyone's personal responsibility to get real, grow up and get ready.


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      • bf9 Fitz

        No one is coming to save us. Not even humans unless we do something. I for one am up for the challenge. I encourage any younger people like myself reading this to take action locally. I have been for the last almost half a year now, and am starting to see some successes.

        Understand the political and social landscape of where you live and concentrate your efforts where necessary. For me in conservative AZ, some really good talking points have been(paraphrased);
        -You are "for" the sanctity of life and against abortion, correct? I am also for the idea of sanctity of life although I "disagree on abortion", that's why this country is beautiful. Well are you aware that there is something killing more unborn children than abortions, and will do so exponentially?
        -You are "for" fiscal conservatism, correct? Well are you aware that there's a situation that could drain our economy exponentially higher than illegal immigration?
        -You don't like a large fed gov't, and don't like Obama, correct? Well what if I told you something he ISN'T doing or saying is worse than even the NSA?

        Etc. I'm currently amassing a very small group of people my age to speak to our local politicians directly. (to them) The greed, selfishness, and shortsightedness are in us all. But here's our/your chance to break the mold and save the world. Literally. The young have no hope for humanity and your 5% approval ratings are even lower with us, but here's your chance to do something greater…


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          I have been pounding your #3 on social media. His biggest scandal has not broken yet. I watched a compilation clip from his Fukushima address in 2011. The wording was eerily similar to his "if you like your doctor keep your doctor" rhetoric. If books are still written after he is out of office it will be a very short paragraph about his successes.


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        • rakingmuck

          Fitz that is great. I mentioned on an earlier thread I am waiting to be scheduled to have a meeting with Barbara Boxer. I was able to get the meeting. But it is the young people on my block that are going with me who will be doing the talking. Its the least I can do. I wish more of us "adults" would help in this way. They have a lot to say.


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        • VanneV anne

          +10000000 TY, Fitz. If 100% of the people have cancer, the whole health care system will collapse as well as everything else. You have to have healthy people to maintain the economy, etc.


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        • Ana Ana

          Fitz, that is wonderful. Back in the day I did lobbying for civil rights and you have got the right approach nailed for your area. You have my respect and support. Don't give up, it took me 10 years to get one particular piece of legislation passed.
          Ana in Sacramento


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  • Mark Wonclunker

    When the societal breakdown starts, there will be no survivors. This is simply because societal breakdown leads to loss of electricity grids, which in turn leads to all NPPs melting down and fool-pools burning. Then it will not be cancer, but acute radiation poisoning.


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    • 16Penny 16Penny

      Winner winner, chicken dinner!

      Fried of course.


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    • bf9 Fitz

      Which is exactly part of the speech I intend to speak to my local gov't about. Plans need to be laid to at least keep those pools' coolant a-runnin' (national guard/military likely) while TURNING OFF ALL REACTORS RIGHT NOW so fuel can cool and be put in dry storage, an international effort at the fukupocalypse itself (US can lead the way immediately, other countries can supply backup…a lot of us are already dead), and an attempt to mitigate any damage already done.

      Time is short, but we still have some. It's going to take an almost inconceivable effort but I certainly can envision it entirely. If a misanthropic pessimist like me can see something like that…you can bet your ass it's very possible. lol.

      YOUNG PEOPLE- let's steal that title of "greatest generation".


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      • bf9 Fitz

        The biggest single thing about making a stand with this thing is to NOT have society break down, all plants go boom in that case. Keep calm, work quickly, and accurately. That would be a good phrase to go by.


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        • 16Penny 16Penny

          Kind of like the principle of a bucket brigade. Plan and place resources necessary, educate the people resources so that they know when and how to respond. When SHTF you just show up to the gate of your local reactor and say "we got this, put down your guns, play time is over."


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          • Mark Wonclunker

            You might be able to force "cold shutdown" in some cases, but that doesn't make the spent fuel rods safe. You have to keep the pumps turning for hundreds of years. Any failure, game over.


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            • bf9 Fitz

              Correct, although after some time they are much more capable of being transported or handled. All I have right now is the general "outline", specifics can be hammered out after that.


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              • flatsville

                Fitz, Be aware of the impending Waste Confidence Ruling due out soon. The comment period closed Dec 20.

                If you get in an face meeting with a congress person or knowlegable staff, this might come up since what you are proposing directly affects the waste storage issue. I signed on and the case was initially filed in 2010. The court ruled in the summer? of 2012. Knowing some of the basics of the waste issue will help. It is one Big Specific to be hammered out later. Showing them your are aware of the waste problem, know the rule making is at the end of a process and may have to be changed to accomodate a plan to shut down all NPPs will lend your argument credibility.


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                • Socrates

                  Listen to what Flatsville is saying…

                  You must know the exact legal issue to be able to speak to your Senator, especially Senator Boxer.

                  The NRC has a proposed Waste Confidence Rule and has filed a Generic Waste Confidence Environmental Impact Statement. These rules are the result of an important court ruling in 2010.

                  Unless you "do your homework" nobody will listen to you. You must have read, briefed, and fully understood these issues about where and how the waste will be stored.

                  I attend these NRC meetings and make written comments for the Federal Register.

                  Talking about abortion or pacifism are not relevant or appreciated. Only those issues that are relevant logically and material to the issues will be considered. We are talking scientific and economic matters.


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                  • flatsville

                    Fitz, This is a bit more plain spoken-

                    http://www.psr.org/nuclear-bailout/blog/waste-confidence-what-you.html

                    I would ask,"Mr. Fitz, How do you plan to compensate these utes for early decommissioning of their income producing assets?

                    Better have something, however vague, to indicate you gave it some consideration.

                    That's another Big Specific.


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                  • flatsville

                    Socrates, IIRC Fitz said he's in AZ. rakingmuck and others? were to see Boxer (likely staff.) Still, the same issues apply. Aside from the waste issue of a massive decommissioning, the compensation issue has not been tackled in any real way of which I'm aware. It rarely even gets spitballed in serious circles.


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                    • Socrates

                      Flatsville,

                      Correct.

                      Paying reparations for decommissioning?

                      Forgive me if I faxed to understand the issue. Sure, pay them off. Otherwise, they will continue down the same path.

                      GE wants to go into fracking now. We are between too many rocks and too many hard places.


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                    • flatsville

                      Soc, It would be the operating utes who would demand comp in a massive decommissioning, like ConEd, MetEd, Ameren, Dom etc…The nuke plant manues like GE, Westinghouse, Toshiba etc..would only get comp if the had a contract order that got cancelled due to a decommish. This is the part of the issue that people don't think through when they mouth "Shut Them All Down."

                      It's rarely followed with "and here's a workable legal plan to get there."


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                  • Ana Ana

                    With respect, I disagree with Socrates in a way. Fitz posted his talking points to help educate the general public that he would interact with. His talking points are exactly the ones that will make ordinary people in his area open their eyes. Socrates, what you suggest is true but is specific to providing tight input to congressional and regulatory agencies. Fitz will in time become "multilingual" and be able to do both. All of us need to have the right "voice" and "message" for the audience we are talking to at the moment and that will vary with the audience.
                    Ana in Sacramento (an old civil rights lobbyist)


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  • RonM

    Don't worry earth has another 4 billion years to recover and the tectonic plates will renew the earths crust and new organisms will evolve, possibly higher intelligent life forms, it may take several hundred million years but that's not long in cosmological time.

    Just think of all the future suffering of living creatures that will be avoided, by having a massive die off extinction event now trillions upon trillions of sentient creatures won't exist for millions possibly hundreds of millions of years, the radioactivity will decay, become buried and become almost insignificant as the background radiation that existed before nuclear fission was discovered and radioactive substances irresponsibly created.

    Is Fukushima a singular ELE ? (Extinction Level Event ? )

    Well even if it isn't humans have caused a current massive extinction anyhow with over hunting, over fishing, wanton reckless disregard and destruction of wildlife habitats, and some strange sort of detachment from reality that disconnects the natural world from human created environments such as cities , urban sprawl, and things such a roads and automobiles and trains which create artificial barriers for migrations and hunting or foraging areas. Just run over all those darn critters and spray all those pesky insects, better kill all the birds near the airport before a goose gets cooked in a jet engine, hey Lets allow our navies to use whales as target practice?

    Who needs rainforests and clean air and…


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    • Ontological Ontological

      Thanks RonM issue is in 4B years the Sun will be old and tired, and red giant. If we as a technological race do survive the fission mistakes of today, the Sun going red stage is our next big challenge to face. It will be figure out a way to fuel it, or flee the solar system before it gets too bad. Those of us who can reach across the gap evil thinking corporations made with pseudo science propaganda, and teach the young they have chained to their dazzling cell devices the truth; are these companies enemy.
      The way they treat those who built them up to elite status working their butts off for nothing is wrong! Retired folks deserve respect and reward for their contributions not cut back further as time goes on, and told their SSI deductions are an entitlement. Speak out all who can remember back. Note the changes over the years, as per each topic discussed on ENENEWS. The 20 something crowd out here deserves the truth. Awareness, is the key.


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  • rakingmuck

    RonM I am with Fitz. I don't think Fukushima will be an ELE for all on earth all at once. I think that is another way of escaping responsibility. (We are all going to die anyway). I do think that Japan and the West Coasts of both Canada and the US have already been identified as sacrifice zones. Unfortunately just like aliens are not coming to save us, we are not all going to die an instantaneous death. That means suffering. Lots of suffering.Fear and violence and who knows what else.

    If society completely breaks down that is a fate worse than death and its worth fighting like hell to help avoid that for the billions of young people who are not even remotely responsible for this disaster. It IS our responsibility to at least try to spare them that.


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    • Mark Wonclunker

      RM – "Unfortunately just like aliens are not coming to save us, we are not all going to die an instantaneous death"

      I think that the stored tonnage of spent rods world-wide is so enormous, that once it starts, it will all be over quite quickly. If I was a 14-year-old and became aware of this situation, I would be a tad miffed.

      This is not alarmist, but it is alarming.


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  • Sol Man

    The genie has been out of the bottle too long and has traveled too far to support the shill's contention. The situation has been foisted upon the world that has never existed previously and the piper demands to be paid.

    One of the sweetest sounds is that of the tree frogs and crickets that arise once the sun start to set in the forest. Come spring I am going to the forest in hopes of hearing their song again. I have concern that I won't be hearing it now. Will let you know how it goes. I digress. Here, my treat.
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+sound+of+tree+frogs


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  • Go Flying

    Sardine and anchovy stocks have crashed and STILL the fishermen are trying to catch what little remain.

    Sublime stupidity and greed.

    The fish stocks may not recover. Just like Grand Banks Alaska was fished clean of cod which never returned.


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    • RonM

      For accuracy the Grand Banks where the Codfish fishery collapse was in the North Atlantic off of Newfoundland.

      Also in my previous post the point I was making about the Earth having 4 billion years left was to point out that there is time enough on the planet for many dozens of civilizations to evolve and create nuclear power and likewise destroy the majority of life and the earth will recover millions of new species evolve and to go further that's just earth, there is now little doubt that there are many billions of solar systems and planets capable of supporting life and it's a shame our species greed,corruption, irresponsibility and hubris will make human life on earth but a momentary flash in the eternal timescales of the cosmos.

      But at least a few million of the richest and greediest were able to experience the lifestyles of the rich and famous, caviar dreams and champagne toasts, does it matter that billions of other humans and many billions of other creatures had to endure deprivation, suffering, and other tortuous existences, anyhow so many people really don't care because "GOD" is at the helm and "Jesus" will return and make everything all better and raise the dead, as long as they repent before they die.

      What a truly horrible and disgusting joke reality is.


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  • rogerthat

    What happened at Fukushima is that in the space of a few days in March 2011 radiation equivalent to 6,000 Hiroshima bombs was released into the environment as four nuclear plants and assorted spent fuel pools exploded and burnt up. That was the assessment of Tepco, the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission and presumably also the International Atomic Energy Agency. So what government told its people to take basic precautions to protect themselves? Was anyone on the planet told to stay out of the rain, to stay indoors, to take iodine tablets? Sherlock Holmes would say that Fukushima is the case of the dog that did not bark. Why did the dog not bark? Why did governments not tell their people that fallout from 6,000 Hiroshimas was headed their way? Sooner or later, people will start to ask this question, why were we not told?


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  • FXofTruth

    History will read that, "Mankind was quite willing & capable of laying waste to vast regions of his own food supply because of the psychopaths leading the charge into oblivion and never stopped, all because of stupidity and lustful greed."

    We are ALL to blame for what has happened here. Every time you turn on the light switch; every time you watch your flat screen; and every time (as I do right know) use my computer….we are ALL responsible for this death and destruction of our food supply and wildlife.

    So what does it teach us?
    It teaches us that when things are going fine we question nothing…even if the danger and life-threatening technology (nuclear power) has been proven as such! Nuclear plants are and will continue to be built and only after EVERYTHING has been poisoned maybe then, someone will care….maybe…..


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  • Bleifrei Bleifrei

    @ imacmill
    My father always said:
    With human fool not discussed!
    They drag you to their level.,
    and beat you there with her experience

    dont Play fool with the user here !


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Seafood Industry Counters Fukushima Misinformation

    Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute counters scaremongering claims of radioactive salmon

    Jan 5 2013

    http://www.ktuu.com/seafood-industry-counters-fukushima-misinformation/-/21043428/23779386/-/ka79fm/-/index.html

    The seafood industry counters scaremongering.
    That's supposed to take care of it ..huh?
    "We've countered..so it's all good".

    It isn't going to be the word of the truth tellers.. that seal the deal.
    Truth will become self-evident.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Which brings me to Deep Sea News.

    Is the sea floor littered with dead animals due to radiation? No.

    http://deepseanews.com/2014/01/is-the-sea-floor-littered-with-dead-animals-due-to-radiation-no/comment-page-1/

    "The reason I am unfamiliar with a study providing evidence of “Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast; up from 1 percent before Fukushima” is because no such study exists. Here are the details of the actual study.

    BS.

    Deep ocean communities impacted by changing climate over 24 y in the abyssal northeast Pacific Ocean

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/05/1315447110

    "Nowhere does the paper or the press release mention radiation or Fukushima. Nilch, negatory, nadda, never."

    IS THIS WHAT THEY ARE WAITING ON??

    The head writer:

    Alex Warneke
    Alex Warneke currently resides as a graduate student at San Diego State University. As a chemical ecologist, Alex’s research focuses on the effects of heavy metal pollutants on the chemical communication between organisms. In her “free time,” Alex enjoys convincing the public that Ecology is indeed sexy. With that goal, she is a strong proponent of unconventional science communication and extending the broader impacts of her research to the general public using the outlets of film and social media. When she is not busy busting a move in the cold room or filming her next rap video, she can normally be found frolicking through the California kelp forest."


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  • underfish

    Hello, Have you people seen this, starts tonight, wondering what your thoughts are on this..ON Al Jazera(america version)tonight I believe at 6pm(pst) and for the next 3 nights they will have exclusive 1 hr program on FUKUSHIMA DISASTER…thi is the first big news media to have this type of program..should be a good one…
    and also Im going to DEATH VALLEY SOON…fuck it..im going to die anyways..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Oh..heck ..I didn't drill down far enough..

    Deep Sea News.. Chief Editor

    Craig McClain, aka Dr. M, is the Assistant Director of Science for the National Evolutionary Synthesis Center,

    "NESCent is funded by the National Science Foundation

    http://www.nescent.org/about/

    The NSF..being part of the National Ocean Council..another words..Homeland Security.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    (con't)
    Two If By Sea
    Sept 20 2010

    "The task force finalized its report to the President on July 19, 2010. This executive order adopted the recommendations of the task force and directs executive agencies to form the National Ocean Council, which will be comprised of the Chair of the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) (Nancy Sutley) and the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (Dr. John P. Holdren), as co-chairs of this Council. The Council also includes the Secretaries of State, Defense, the Interior, Agriculture, Health and Human Services, Commerce, Labor, Transportation, Energy, and Homeland Security, the Attorney General, the Administrator of the EPA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, the Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere (Administrator of NOAA), the Administrator of NASA, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the National Science Foundation, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the National Security Advisor and the Assistants to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, Domestic Policy, Energy and Climate Change, and Economic Policy; and basically anyone else the Co-Chairs of the Council may choose to designate."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/two-if-by-sea-2


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  • Nick

    It's time we all realize nuclear fantasies have become our eternal nightmare.

    All warfare on the globe should cease. All militaries be redirected to build domes with sophisticated filters.

    We are no longer in Kansas.


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  • ftlt

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/11/1261950/-Fukushima-Oceanographers-Model-Impact-on-Pacific#

    This article mentioned something that I have questioned regarding the life in suspension of the heavier isotopes, molecules and particles in ocean waters or the atmosphere —

    Quote = ""These heavy particles are not just suspended heavy metal isotopes like uranium and the actinides (such as Plutonium)""

    Does anyone have any info on this?

    It would seem to me, they would be the first to sink out of solution in the ocean or fall from the atmosphere. Is this thinking wrong?


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  • bwoodfield bwoodfield

    For those interested, here is the migratory path for the sardines:
    http://www.pfeg.noaa.gov/research/climatemarine/cmffish/imagesfish/pacwhiting1.gif

    If you remember the die off on the B.C. west coast this summer with the bleeding from eyes and gills? That's where the sardines were. Their path then flowed right through where all the starfish have been 'melting' through out the fall and early winter.


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  • willhart

    I am currently living in Mexico. When I was on the west coast of Baja I was shocked to have seen only one pelican after visiting three different beach areas. I used to live in San Diego 30 years ago and pelicans were a common site…something is going radically wrong!


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  • Zeolite and EDTA are the two proven heavy metal chelation therapies that have no harmful side effects, are cheap, and as long as you take it, it will pull these radioactive emitters out of our bodies. We've been on it for 2 years, my family.

    We intend to stay on it.

    We also use nascent iodine transdermally every single day without fail. In addition, we juice greenies and apple-carrot bombers every day. Thank you Gerson Therapy!

    Fukushima Research blog on articles and videos since 3-11-11
    http://dailymessenger.blogspot.com/


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  • Angela_R

    I have been doing a little research on zeolite and came across this link: http://Japan_Zeolite.183222133.pdf.

    It is a pleasure to find that the experts are not asleep, they are actually attempting to find answers.

    Can you safely 'ingest' zeolite on a regular basis? I notice it is not effective with decontamination of plutonium and some of the other radioactive materials. Though I see it is believed to counteract Strontium. Does that include Strontium 90?


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  • Cisco Cisco

    Maggie Koerth-Baker is the science editor at BoingBoing.net. She writes a monthly column for The New York Times Magazine and is the author of "Before the Lights Go Out", a book about electricity, infrastructure, and the future of energy.

    From her article, "No, Fukushima is not killing off massive quantities of sea life near California", she says, "Deep Sea News, a blog written largely by professional ocean scientists, has been doing a really good job of debunking bogus stories about Fukushima radiation affecting ocean wildlife near North America. And there are a lot to choose from. It's damn near a genre, at this point — a genre that's full of misleading information and flat-out fabrications. For instance, the latest story to circulate on social media is all about how Fukushima radiation is causing massive die-offs of sea life off the coast of California."

    http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/no-fukushima-is-not-killing-o.html

    She says the massive die-offs are, according to marine scientists, are normal and expected. Fukushima radiation is not the cause.

    OK, no problem, not to worry. Wheew…Good news at last.


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  • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

    Maggie needs to go over and work at Fukushima to get a first hand look at science in action!


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  • califnative califnative (NY)

    Thanks underfish for mentioning the TV show tonight. I hope artika rama has a chance to watch it, I don't think you can get more factual than going to Japan and seeing it with your own eyes. Don't waste your time trying to convince imashill of anything, his paid mission is to invoke irrational anger.

    "Tune in to the first part of America Tonight’s four-part investigative series about Fukushima's continuing fallout Monday at 9 p.m. ET/ 6 p.m PST

    http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2014/1/6/fukushima-decontaminationghosttowns.html


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  • demise

    It is too late to argue about it. The radiation is here and our worst nightmares are starting to materialize. The Pacific ecosystem is the largest and is the largest source of food and livelihood for many millions. If the radiation has killed off or weakened any part of the ecosystem, it could collapse. This would be globally catastrophic.

    What we are seeing is the beginning where the top of the food chain are dying off and the two on top of the pyramid are suffering and scrambling to survive. Today it was reported that unprecedented sighting of whales are being seen off the Canadian coastline. Whales may be finding food their there or are still traveling North in search of a meal. We don't know yet. They should be in Mexico, but the food chain may have collapsed their already.

    The radiation is here and I am quite certain the West Coast food chain is destroyed. This is a national emergency because the impact is economically shocking. Just imagine that nobody can go swimming in the ocean, beaches are closed, no desalinization can remain running, no fishing of any kind and no fish bought or sold anywhere. Will this contribute to land contamination and illnesses? Migration and economic woes will be significant. This is just the tip of the impact iceberg.

    The government and media lapdogs will try their best to limit the panic by lying and covering up the truth. Be wary because a panic may ensue if the truth becomes widespread.


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    • califnative califnative (NY)

      Well said demise, I agree 100%. I wanted to move out of California for over 2 years, finally left 2 months ago and moved to NY with a friend. It was sad and ironic, I sold my house to a Korean family who owned a sushi restaurant near Santa Cruz, CA.


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  • Radiation causes birth defects.

    Whale birth defect (conjoined twins) in Mexico.
    Died after birth. The mother may have also died.

    This IS getting worse.

    "Scientists in Mexico’s Laguna Ojo de Liebre, or Scammon’s Lagoon, on Sunday discovered conjoined gray whale calves, and it could be the first documented case of Siamese twin gray whales."

    Jan 6th, 2014
    Photos:
    http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/conjoined-gray-whale-calves-discovered-in-baja-california-lagoon-find-could-be-a-first/

    Their bodies have been removed for further study.
    :(


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  • homeenergyexpert homeenergyexpert

    Its funny we report the dead sardines, but not the Radiation induced heart attacks, or brain hemorrhage deaths.


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  • Mark Wonclunker

    "these humpback whales are trying to tell us something."

    If you follow Rupert Sheldrake's theory of morphogenic fields about how animals communicate between themselves and humans, it becomes quite believable that the the whales really ARE doing this.

    Perhaps they are saying "Hey, it's horrible in here, can you do something about it?"


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  • Colinjames

    Maybe the sardines bailed along with the whales? Could it be they migrated the hell out of their normal range? Anyone?


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  • Milkandcheese Milkandcheese

    Just sayin'…this COULD be related to something else. It is always best to check other sources, not rely on only one:

    http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/no-fukushima-is-not-killing-o.html


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    • artika rama

      milkandcheese Thats correct . I have been trying to warn people NOT to jump to conclusions for sometime now , without any success.
      A premature conclusion , which will be debunked later on , will do much more harm to the antinuke movement than any pronuke shill .


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      The pro-nukers are on a full blown…"puff and fluff".
      They think they ..they can win by 'definite proclamation'.
      And they think somehow..Fukushima should be removed from the variables ..because WHY?
      Because they say so..??
      It will be a sorry day in hell before that happens.
      No one is going to ..huff and fluff..deny.. water down or distort..the scientific process going on as we look for the problems Fukushima is causing to the environment.

      It isn't?
      I'M SAYING IT IS.
      To what degree..we don't know.
      Scientific analysis takes time.
      Time will be taken.

      My suggestion..to the pro-nukers..
      "Take a drive around the block…".


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  • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

    Hey guys, how about a list of food that IS safe to eat? Prepackaged pre 3/11 ?? I just don't look at meals the same way these days. Afraid of all of it. WTF Potatoes maybe because they grow underground. Maybe we need a whats safe to eat forum……
    Please advise. This going to cause calamity soon I think……….


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    • artika rama

      timemachine2020 Unless governments start measuring the radiation in food , water , environment , air etc etc and start publishing the TRUTH , the real facts , it will be very difficult to know what is a high risk product or what to avoid ,whether it s food or any other product .
      A few examples here and there (eg china banning some sea food , russia sending back some japanese cars etc ) seems like some countries learned their lesson from the chernobyl and they know how high radiation products will be sent to their country under false records and routes via via but still there is no real control , no real information to follow the radiation in food , or in anything else.
      Maybe some independent organisations (like consumer rights organisations etc) could do some tests and inform the public .


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  • utahruss utahruss

    Hey everybody wondering about solutions or what are you going to do?
    Head over to http://fukushimatruths.freeforums.net and join the group.
    Best collection of VERIFIED,factual information and links to a vast number of sources you won't find anywhere else.
    Plus we are working on real solutions


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