LA Times: Expert says ‘radiological process’ may have forced material out of container at US nuclear site, “Could be a mess”; Officials saying little about extent of problem — Levels remain too high to let in non-essential personnel — Air monitors not allowed to collect filters

Published: February 18th, 2014 at 10:34 am ET


Los Angeles Times, Feb. 18, 2014 at 1:53a ET (emphasis added): The Energy Department suspended normal operations for a fourth day at its New Mexico burial site for defense nuclear waste after a radiation leak inside salt tunnels where the material is buried. […] Officials […] said little about the extent of the problem or how it could be cleaned up. […] How long the repository would be closed and the effects on the defense nuclear cleanup program were unclear. […] WIPP officials have said little about what could have triggered the radiation leak.

Edwin Lyman, a senior scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists:

  • The cause most likely involved radioactive material on the outside of a container that was not properly decontaminated
  • A less probable cause […] was a radiological process inside a container that forced material out
  • The extent of the cleanup operation necessary to get the repository back in operation depended on the intensity and range of contamination in the underground tunnels
  • “Could be a mess […] If there is airborne contamination and it involves plutonium, they are going to need to decontaminate […] If it is in the ventilation system, it could have spread”

Carlsbad Current-Argus, Feb. 18, 2014: Airborne radioactivity […] levels aren’t yet low enough to allow non-essential personnel back on site, according to a person familiar with the situation. Russell Hardy, director of the Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center, was told the information [Monday] by an employee of the nuclear waste repository […] [CEMRC] has monitored the air quality in and around WIPP since the 1990s and tests for radiation contamination at the facility by collecting a filter from the exhaust shaft each morning […] The last air filter sample CEMRC has is from Friday, before airborne radiation was detected downwind in the south salt mine of Panel 7, Room 7, at 11:30 p.m. later that night. […] Data on the quantity and type of radiation that was present in the airborne particulates below surface, and how it compares to regular background radiation levels, is not available according to the DOE.

Deb Gill, DOE spokesperson: “I don’t even have that because it gets into the compare-and-contrast point of view […] I know that when we do have additional information, then I think that can be part of what is provided, but we don’t have that right now […] We certainly hope [recent events don’t impact the future mission of WIPP]”

Russell Hardy, director of the CEMRC at New Mexico State University: “It’s my understanding that at some point in the near future we will be allowed to collect our filters, and at that point we’ll be able to do our analysis […] Our mission is to report whatever we find”

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Published: February 18th, 2014 at 10:34 am ET


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114 comments to LA Times: Expert says ‘radiological process’ may have forced material out of container at US nuclear site, “Could be a mess”; Officials saying little about extent of problem — Levels remain too high to let in non-essential personnel — Air monitors not allowed to collect filters

  • FallOut FallOut

    Brutal news.

    So we have Isotopes building in a semi-enclosed area now. So we know they will / must release that at some point. I picture the scene at three mile island as the crisis started …

    O.K. men, everyone in this office for a meeting.

    " Sir, what should we do ….. ? "……

    " Lie ? What else can we do … "

    " Ok boys, the meeting is over "

  • ocifferdave

    What I want to know:

    -Are there people still sequestered and where?
    -How much radioactive particles escaped and what kinds?
    -What are the locals doing to protect themselves, what do they know?
    -Is the 'vehicle' fire from weeks ago connected?

    Please add to the list.

    "It's human error that is to blame for accidents, not nuclear science." -Nuclear Experts

    • GQR2

      "Some material FORCED itself out the container.

      huh ?!!!

      "It could be a mess"

      Houston we have a "mess"

      Us locals have been told next to nothing.

    • rogerthat

      Basic rule number one: The extent of the cover-up tells you the size of the disaster. This one's close to a blackout. No information. Immediate Action drill: RUN!!!

    • @ ocifferdave
      February 18, 2014 at 10:48 am · Reply
      Human error at 1)Kyshtym September 29 1957,2)Windscale October 7, 1957, 3) Cold War(1945 to 1990) radioactive releases and kills millions of infants after progressive deterioration of genomes by atmospheric tests(see synchrony in infant deaths,global and in India at The Unacceptable Dangers of nuclear Energy at,4) well err allowing atoms for peace when energy audit of nukes shows that for decades not a single unit of electricity was delivered to society outside the nuclear industry(1956-1996,all nuclear energy programmes), 5)even now disregarding ECRR 2010 safety regulations in favour of the ICRP witchcraft, 6)ignoring the graphic scientific works on bird mutations after Chernobyl and Fukushima(see enenews reports),7) ignoring the cumulative effects of the world's dams in causing, by a nuclear effect, nuclear catastrophes like Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Narora,Fukushima, WIPP mystery, the Kedarnath floods, and 8)even climate change by dams, 9) ignoring the false premises on which modern civilization stands and is daily causing its self destruction, and 10) ignoring true knowledge in favor of imperfect knowledge and thus causing glaring lacunae in meeting the needs of civilization and of greed, HUMAN ERRORS!
      The principle of perfect design: Transcending all is the Unknowable. Thus be content with living in harmony with nature.

  • FallOut FallOut

    This is an interesting read also.

    Meltdown: What Really Happened at Fukushima? ( July 2, 20011 )

    It’s been one of the mysteries of Japan’s ongoing nuclear disaster: How much of the damage did the March 11 earthquake inflict on Fukushima Daiichi’s reactors in the 40 minutes before the devastating tsunami arrived? The stakes are high: If the quake alone structurally compromised the plant and the safety of its nuclear fuel, then every other similar reactor in Japan is at risk.

    The authors have spoken to several workers at the plant who recite the same story: Serious damage to piping and at least one of the reactors before the tsunami hit. All have requested anonymity because they are still working at the plant or are connected with TEPCO. One worker, a maintenance engineer in his late twenties who was at the Fukushima complex on March 11, recalls hissing and leaking pipes. “I personally saw pipes that came apart and I assume that there were many more that had been broken throughout the plant. There’s no doubt that the earthquake did a lot of damage inside the plant," he said. "There were definitely leaking pipes, but we don’t know which pipes – that has to be investigated. I also saw that part of the wall of the turbine building for Unit 1 had come away. That crack might have affected the reactor.”

    • FallOut FallOut

      A second worker, a technician in his late 30s, who was also on site at the time of the earthquake, narrated what happened. “It felt like the earthquake hit in two waves, the first impact was so intense you could see the building shaking, the pipes buckling, and within minutes, I saw pipes bursting. Some fell off the wall. Others snapped. I was pretty sure that some of the oxygen tanks stored on site had exploded but I didn’t see for myself. Someone yelled that we all needed to evacuate and I was good with that. But I was severely alarmed because as I was leaving I was told and I could see that several pipes had cracked open, including what I believe were cold water supply pipes. That would mean that coolant couldn’t get to the reactor core. If you can’t sufficiently get the coolant to the core, it melts down. You don’t have to have to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out.”

      As he was heading to his car, he could see the walls of the reactor one building itself had already started to collapse. “There were holes in them. In the first few minutes, no one was thinking about a tsunami. We were thinking about survival.”

      When the worker got to the office five to 15 minutes later the supervisor ordered them all to evacuate, explaining, “there’s been an explosion of some gas tanks in reactor one, probably the oxygen tanks. In addition to this there has been some structural damage, pipes have burst, meltdown is possible. Please take shelter immediately.”

    • FallOut FallOut

      Onda notes, “I’ve spent decades researching TEPCO and its nuclear power plants and what I’ve found, and what government reports confirm is that the nuclear reactors are only as strong as their weakest links, and those links are the pipes.”

      During his research, Onda spoke with several engineers who worked at the TEPCO plants. One told him that often piping would not match up the way it should according to the blueprints. In that case, the only solution was to use heavy machinery to pull the pipes close enough together to weld them shut. Inspection of piping was often cursory and the backs of the pipes, which were hard to reach, were often ignored. Since the inspections themselves were generally cursory and done by visual checks, it was easy to ignore them. Repair jobs were rushed; no one wanted to be exposed to nuclear radiation longer than necessary.

      Problems with the fractured, deteriorating, poorly repaired pipes and the cooling system had been pointed out for years. In 2002, whistle-blower allegations that TEPCO had deliberately falsified safety records came to light and the company was forced to shut down all of its reactors and inspect them, including the Fukushima Daiichi Power Plant. Kei Sugaoka, a GE on-site inspector first notified Japan’s nuclear watch dog, Nuclear Industrial Safey Agency (NISA) in June of 2000.

    • FallOut FallOut

      Before the dawn on March 12, the water levels at the reactor began to plummet and the radiation began rising. Meltdown was taking place. The TEPCO Press release issued on March 12 just past 4am stated, “the pressure within the containment vessel is high but stable.” There was a note buried in the release that many people missed. “The emergency water circulation system was cooling the steam within the core; it has ceased to function.”

      Oddly enough, while TEPCO later insisted that the cause of the meltdown was the tsunami knocking out emergency power systems, at the 7:47 p.m. TEPCO press conference the same day, the spokesman in response to questions from the press about the cooling systems stated that the emergency water circulation equipment and reactor core isolation time cooling systems would work even without electricity.

      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Excuse me, Fallout, this is all extremely interesting, but not related to the above story. If WIPP is unable to reopen, 15 years and over $1billion after it opened, this would be a MAJOR setback to all things nuclear in this country. They are so arrogant they havent even thought of a way to measure underground radiation from a safe distance. What kind of engineering genius worked that out???

        • FallOut FallOut


          Um, Japan is a fault line. This proves it does noy take a tsunami ….

          This is a small spill no matter what this will get cleaned I don't care about the cost I care about people learning the truth. Those reactors restart it's un-thinkable.

          I hope the people in Japan read this site not many article define the issue / lies like this single article does. Smoking Gun ……

        • Maybe they DO have radiation measurement machines underground, as well as cameras, lights and neutron detectors.

          Maybe they KNOW what is going on, but are covering it all up.

          That is what happens after EVERY SINGLE Major nuclear disaster.


          Page 9, operating manual, when things go bad; DENY, LIE, MINIMIZE.

          HOpefully, not the case here, but things seem to be moving that way..

    • ENENews


      "A grim "Of Special Importance" (highest classification level) report prepared by the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation (ROSATOM) circulating in the Kremlin warned that the "potentially catastrophic nuclear event" currently unfolding at the US atomic Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) near Carlsbad, New Mexico…"
      That is the EXACT same premise as the last 3 or 4 Fukushima 'hoax' stories originating from the same notirous author. Interesting that posts such highly questionable 'stories'… for more see

      So do I need to waste my time to publish a post about this or not?

      • Max Sievert Max Sievert

        i also thought its a strange report, but i ditnt say i believe that this is true .
        but most of the reports of hisz. are believable.

        • Max Sievert Max Sievert

          believable like this one –
          Australian uranium miner Paladin Energy has reported a spill near one of its African mines, saying a truck carrying a container of uranium oxide from its Kayelekera mine in Malawi overturned while negotiating a curve in the road. The container fell loose and was punctured by a tree stump, the Perth-based miner said in a statement. An amount of uranium oxide concentrate – described by Paladin as a small quantity – spilled out. The incident comes less than three months after ASX-listed Energy Resources of Australia (ERA) suffered a spill at its Ranger precinct in the Northern Territory. That spill is still under federal investigation and processing at the site has not resumed since. ERA is majority owned by Rio Tinto, and the incident at Ranger occurred in the same week as a similar spill at a Rio Tinto mine in Nambia. Paladin said both the spilled material and the soil that it came in touch with had been removed and taken back to the tailings dam at the mine. The company said atomic energy regulators assessed the scene and were satisfied with the reparations made. "This is the first incident involving a uranium oxide container to occur in 92 product shipments transported from Kayelekera mine to the Port of Walvis Bay," …

      • GQR2

        yes please publish a post. Its got to be posted. TY.

      • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

        Potrblog said yesterday that the alarm was triggered by Fukushima Fallout getting into the ventilation system. So, better do a thread on the event, and leave it at that, Admin.

        (This may have been posted earlier.)

        I am getting a little bit alarmed by all of the "Alert" readings people are getting on their Geiger Counters.

        • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

          If it was from outside..the ventilation would be set up the other way..would it not..with fresh air being pumped into to replace the Fukushima contamination.If the contamination was so great..the area surrounding should have notified that they are receiving doses high enough that the nuketards..think it needs to be filtered.

          Sounds to me like during the truck fire ..some radioactive material was/is aflame.

          Someone mentioned no moving water.
          South of the Bottomless Lakes.
          The WIPP site is SE of Carlsbad…see google maps..
          It's called Salt Lake.

      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Admin, I would wait on this report. It does not appear to be credible info, especially if you wonder how anyone could test special top secret rockets in an underground facility. Radcast has been out there measuring, I know, and will report on this weeks Nuclear Hot Seat radio program. Until we hear directly from a Russian authority or news outlet on this, I would take this report with a boulder of salt, so to speak.

      • Max Sievert Max Sievert

        sorry again, but they have a new update i hope this report is more accurate for you then the first one

    • GQR2

      Chilling situation.
      A company in charge of the whole thing is a contractor that filed for bankruptsy, They aren't just storing waste,way bad enough. They are making thermal salt water rockets. W.T.F.
      The news black out doesn't help. TY for the link.

      • Arizonan Arizonan

        Maybe they are making something called thermall saltwater rockets, but it sounds quite bizarre on the surface of it, and I am very skeptical. Right now I know they have shut off the supply of air to/from the outside above ground world. DOE is refusing to give out numbers on types or levels of radiation. That in itself is extremely worrisome.

      • They did do some 'experiments' down there; bragged about it in news releases..

  • sentinelle sentinelle

    After following the Louisiana sinkhole story fairly closely a year or so ago, it makes me wonder how they put this waste into the salt mine tunnels. In Louisiana the deposited material was simply inserted directly into the big deep hole made into the salt. Here it seems from their wording like they have created buildings and storage facilities underground in the salt and the waste is in protective packing that has sprung a leak. Does anyone know how this waste is stored?

  • ftlt

    So much of this stuff is highly reactive along with the risk of physical damage from a vast menu of possibilities, the idea they can store nuke stuff containerized safely indefinitely is not outrageous – it is downright stupid.

    Everywhere we go we see problems with the long term storage of nuke stuff. Time is on error side at 10,000 to one container. How many containers are there??? 100,000s??? That is an ugly number for error potential number for the all containers.

  • HoTaters HoTaters

    To WeNotTheyFinally, please see this comment here re: what was said about U.S. military generals being fired. Posted at the article on Carlsbad. Please draw your own conclusions, I'm just the "messenger."

    WNTF, hope you have a chance to return to look at this today. Here's an explanation of why the military generals were being fired. It is believed by some sources the generals were ordered to move nuclear warheads to South Carolina.

    Senator Lindsey Graham had said (prior to the weapons transfer that was supposed to occur) South Carolina was vulnerable to a terrorist attack from Syria or Iran. He might have (???) even said intelligence data indicated such an attack could happen (but I'm not sure).

    Anyway, bottom line is Obama had the generals fired when they refused to make the weapons transfer.

    It is alleged the weapons transfer was supposed to have been done so that a false flag nuclear event could be perpetrated in South Carolina, and blamed on Iran or Syria. Pretty diabolical if it is true.

    Anyway, that's what the story behind this is, WNTF.

    Infowars is the source, but you can find this elsewhre, too (Drudge Report gives a link to Infowars)

    • Ontological Ontological

      I agree HoT, someone had said the site one of those reports I linked was on is not so credible, just my luck. But what I did not respond to say is, there are several other reports from different sources about the Charleston nuke attempt. I have tried to debunk it to no avail. Shiver me timbers.

      • Lethe

        Onto, I owe you an explanation. I have been reading ene from the start. And when I saw the explosions at Fuku I thought, that's it for us. What will be will be. I don't know if it's going to be an ELE but it certainly has raised the awareness of the forked tongue of the nuclear industry.

        When Anne recently linked to, I thought oh no, please don't fall for that disinformation outfit. Same with infowars. Alex, the bullhorn, Jones and his associates are in a similar category. They are in the business of scaremongering and would do anything to get some more hits on their websites. It's about money after all. So, the so called Charleston nuke attempt is in my opinion an attempt to scare people and create a diversion from the real problems. Namely the ongoing fallout from Japan and the nuclear waste disposal.

        Be well!

    • ss.minnow

      This is what I was getting at when wntf got upset at me when I stated that I felt we were being lead in circles. Not that this site was leading me in circles. Sorry for the miss understanding.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Watch the converging lines. Where do they converge? Iran ships head to US coast:

  • "Data… not available."

    "WIPP officials have said little…"
    (nothing really)

    Note: This is the first time I can recall that the word "spread"
    was used by an official instead if dilute.

  • Lets celebrate some victories. This is huge and important.

    Kewaunee is Down

    Crystal River is Down

    San Onofre is Down

    Vermont Yankee is Down

    Just this week Excelon announced plans to shut down 10 US nuke plants, unless economics changed dramatically.

  • Sickputer

    FO typed these four posts: "This is an interesting read also." [Fukushima meltdown stuff]

    SP: General Discussion Thread >>>>>> that-a-way 🙂

    Sorry to be the stinkin' thread cop, but I'm 300 miles downwind of WIPP.

    I want to know everything about it. The fire, the drone plane crash at White Sands National Monument…the affected areas inside their billion dollar nuclear underground salt castle.

    So the world wonders… Close up the main shaft and dig again in another spot? Who is going to work with just a charcoal filter in such a confined space? Possibly another Hanford graveyard, but no major river or ocean outlet.

  • In other words, these pimps are not giving us a damn bit of information.

    Underground truck fire 2 weeks ago, and now a release of who knows what.

    Tranuranics means uranium, plutoniun, americum. Got it? They are releasing the nastiest of the heavy metals with the added benefit of them being radioactive, and some releasing Alpha, the worst internal emitter with the biggest punch, and this crap goes to your bones and organs.

    Nothing to see here….seriously, they said
    no human danger" although the humans were evaucated.

    Disgusting these lying pimps.

  • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

    China Syndrome is not limited to meltdowns only, and it started long ago.
    Lots of bits of 2keV go’n on. Lots and lots and lots.
    Only experts and nuts talk about MeV with very specific and precise terminology.
    It hasn’t been “measured” or seen very often.
    If it is not exact, it doesn’t exist. Bla ho ha

    • GQR2

      was wondering about this Haize,
      can the "fumes" emissitting mix in the air.
      causing what i call in my layman mind and its not exact
      but kind of air criticalities ?

      • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

        It is evident that radiation at the exhaust shaft is the tip of the iceberg.
        Aerosolized particles is indicative of no containment or very hot waste and probably both. Conditions do not remain constant. Unfortunately the monitoring is left up to guessing.

  • GQR2

    ok clearly i have some brain fog happening so i will listen to the conversation. UGh sorry for the typos people. please forgive.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    we don’t have that right now
    most likely
    less probable
    Gov't: 'Pretty sure'

  • Socrates

    Other countries probably have similar containers with similar stuff that will break out and contaminate their nations. People were really stupid during the Cold War, just as they are now. To manufacture dangerous materials with half-lives that might as well last for eternity will be the undoing of our species.

    Many people spoke out but nobody wanted to listen. Now it is too late, and they are still doing it even more.

  • We had an Asteroid whiz by Monday and on Sunday I predicted a big earthquake, and we got a 6.5 in the caribbean.

    After some cross country skiing with the dogs (ski-journing) I will have to work on that grand unification theory that ties in gravitation, electric, magnetic….and the missing factor…

    Post here

  • Nick

    I am not convinced yet that the spike wasn't from the outside air.

    We will be told it's an internal leak.

    The air filters of every building in America need to be sent to labs for further testing……

    After we have completed our analysis, we will have a better handle on how to fleece the media in this matter.

    Rest assured that your government is doing all it can to perpetuate the lie of safe nuclear anything..

    You can send your air filters to liesrus.con.fukuppy.GEwereallycare

    A 12 figure fee for each sample needed for shipping and handling.

  • Shaker1

    From the post:

    "The cause most likely involved radioactive material on the outside of a container that was not properly decontaminated"

    I commented to an earlier post concerning this situation about an 'accident' that had happened in Los Alamos when workers doing clean up of old materials had opened a barrel and it spontaneously caught fire and release radioactivity. I won't search for the particulars, only comment that when Mr. Lyman made that statement quoted above, one has to ask just how one can 'properly decontaminate' such things as that barrel. It seems that in the early days (and maybe even today?) they were so busy with their work up there that recording and tracking materials was not the greatest priority. I've done some sight-seeing in the area and skied there, and I know there are areas that appear to be just juniper forest on the side of the road with governmental warning signs attached to them. I believe, too, that they have made efforts to clean up around there, especially after concerns were coming from Santa Fe about contamination found moving to the city and the threat of wildfires which are pretty constant. I imagnine that WIPP is where much of this ends up.

    "What's in that barrel, George?"

    "I don't know. The paperwork just says a barrel."

    "You gonna open it?"

    "Hell, no."

    "Me neither. OK. Put it in Cavern 7…"

  • Nick

    "The alarm automatically switched the underground ventilation system to filtration to keep any releases from reaching the surface, DOE officials said."
    ..As of Sunday, the source of the high radiation readings had yet to be determined, and a plan to send inspection teams below ground to investigate was put on hold as a precaution.

    "They will not go in today. It's a safety thing more than anything. We're waiting until we get other assessments done before we authorize re-entry," DOE spokesman Bill Mackie said.

    READ AS: We won't be sending a team in until we double check background radiation readings in the Northern Hemisphere. We can't exactly say what's going on, but we think there is a pile of fissioning crap somewhere….

  • Nick

    NEWS FLASH******

    The DOE announced that today is "get rid of Plutonium waste Day" in honor of the discovery of the planet Pluto.

    All shills are invited to encourage the masses to happily swallow our lies.

    (2/18 IS an anniversary of Pluto's discovery!

  • Nick

    "WIPP stores waste that emits alpha and beta radiation, which is in particulate form, so the risk is of inhalation not penetration, he said"

    Risk of inhalation……Don't worry I didn't inhale.

    Obfuscate Fukushima.

    Time for a new pilot project.

  • Jason98TA

    We are sitting about 150 miles from Carlsbad with the PRM 9000 keeping watch

    • Arizonan Arizonan

      Jason, right on. I wonder if anyone can get any closer independent readings? We are in AZ or would take our beloved prm9000 to Carlsbad. Please report if you see any unusual readings.

  • Archie

    "The cause most likely involved radioactive material on the outside of a container that was not properly decontaminated"

    “Could be a mess […] If there is airborne contamination and it involves plutonium, they are going to need to decontaminate […] If it is in the ventilation system, it could have spread”

    Was it lightly raining outside or was it a hurricane?

    How could it "most likely" be the first scenerio but maybe as dead serious as the second? The first explanation sounds like it could be resolved with duct tape and baby wipes ala USS Ronald Reagan but the second one sounds more plausible; some bad shit happened. If this was a routine matter of decontaminating a container would it wouldn't have made the news.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Nuclear Waste Solution Seen in Desert Salt Beds
    Feb 9 2014

    Double speak:

    "But the salt behaves strangely around nuclear waste, which is warm to the touch. When the waste is buried in salt, tiny bits of water inside the salt start to move toward the heat. As a result, the salt left behind is stronger, like a good sealant. But it is still basically salt.

    “The salt is completely unaffected by any nuclear waste you could imagine, period,” said James Conca, a geologist and former director of the Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center, a division of New Mexico State University".

    The'cigar girl':

    "Some people despair of finding a place for what officials call a high-level nuclear “repository” — they shy away from “dump” — but Allison M. Macfarlane, a geologist who is chairwoman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and who served on a presidential study commission established after the Yucca plan was canceled, said WIPP proves it can be done."

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      The governor takes the radical position of undecided.

      "Gov. Susana Martinez of New Mexico, a Republican, has taken what amounts to a radical position: undecided. “We haven’t made any decision on any possible future mission for WIPP,” said F. David Martin, the former head of the state’s Environment Department and now the cabinet secretary-designate for the New Mexico Energy, Minerals and Natural Resources Department. “The governor wants to be assured by the science that it could be done safely.”

      The governor and the people of NM..need to think about this ..
      It's been a mistake.
      No matter how hungry the people are..allowing the US government to do this on this land..or any other land..has been a mistake.

      Please see this document from Nuclear Watch New Mexico..concerning Los Alamos.

      Note the groundwater comtamination..etc.
      Pg. 3..64% of the budget for nuclear weapons.

      Who are we killing?
      And WHY?

      • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

        I was taught as a young boy, that if I don't decide, someone's going to decide for me. Tell her, it's too late. Someone's already decided for her.

      • Sol Man

        Soon enough everybody's position is going to be horizontal in a box.

      • Lethe

        There is no science to determine 'safe' repository of nuclear waste at this time. Whoever came up with the idea to store it in salt formations should have his head examined. I wonder how geologists got their degrees, assuming they were involved in the process.

        Seems like everything is based on theoretical computer models that tell you shite about the real conditions. And, apparently none of the experts has heard about brining either.

        Wipp will turn out as another boondoggle, same as Asse I and II and who knows what else. I especially like the idea of storing the waste above ground, albeit surrounded by 3m of concrete. Not.

        • "On top of that is the choice of the salt mine, which is now widely viewed as a wrong decision. The penetration of about 12,000 liters of water daily threatens to contaminate the groundwater. The planned rescue of the barrels from the tunnels, which are in danger of collapsing, is risky, time-consuming and may even be no longer possible. But if an attempt is made, it could cost anywhere between 4 and 6 billion euros, according to SPD expert, Ute Vogt."

    • Vince Vince Ivey

      "But the salt behaves strangely around nuclear waste, which is warm to the touch. When the waste is buried in salt, tiny bits of water inside the salt start to move toward the heat. As a result, the salt left behind is stronger, like a good sealant. But it is still basically salt.

      “The salt is completely unaffected by any nuclear waste you could imagine, period,” said James Conca, a geologist and former director of the Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center, a division of New Mexico State University".

      ——- Ok, let me get this straight: the WATER, in the salt, moves towards the heat, and they are thinking that water plus nuclear waste in "warm" metal barrels is going to be viable for thousands of years?

  • Dear Admin,

    I appreciate the convenience of generating a unique and meaningful file name by simply swiping a maximum catch off the first sentence of an article.

    However, the bodaciously long file names which result are a presentation problem when posting links to others.

    * Possibly, a much shorter first sentence swipe, plus a generated and appended date/time stamp (or just the latter) is the answer.


    • humptydumpty humptydumpty

      Your email or webmail program allows you to link any length of text to a single highlighted word such as "here", so the linked URL is hidden.

      I actually wish the swiped initial phrase were longer.

  • Vince Vince Ivey

    THE PUBLIC The People, WE

    Must. Not. Know, the Truth about Nuclear Power – Nuclear Waste. The monster born in the 30s is "too scary", "too scientific", "too crucial to national security", to be spoken of clearly. Thus the accomplices of this beast speak in tongues, working to deceive and distort reality so as to be able to continue to operate.

    What does it get from existing all around us? Why is everyone so convinced that we could never learn how to deactivate these tempter-tantrum-having atomic nuclei? They themselves are mutations of the 'natural' and stable elemental atomic quantum-clusters that make most of the World's forms. They just spew and spew and spew their mass energy into the collective environment, causing DNA damage, death, mutations; destruction of ALL biology is the result of these tiny atoms.

    Supporting the notion that the dangerous radionuclides of nuclear waste are INEVITABLY with us "forever", irrespective of citing currently-understood physics as the reason, is tantamount to complicity in the ecocide likely unfolding all around us. We need new solutions, obviously.

    Imagination and innovation is the same as solution. No solution <=> no imagination.

    • MoonlightEmpire MoonlightEmpire

      Transmutation of radioactive elements into non-radioactive elements is not a solution to the nuclear technology problem. Under no circumstance should any nuclear reactor be allowed to generate even one more atom of radioactive waste under the deception that "in the future, technology will enable us to wipe the slate clean".

      The lie of future technology coming to the rescue has been a piece of the mast of the nuclear industry from the very beginning.

      The truth about nuclear technology needs no citations…no peer-reviewed articles…no currently-understood physics.

      Not a single dime should be spent on transmutation research while the reactors are still running. Once the use of nuclear energy is abolished, however, then go right ahead.

      In regards to some of your other posts…bionic people is a terrible idea. First, circuitry fries much faster than biology…they are called "liquidators" for a reason. Second, mankind has created nothing that is better than pure nature and it's processes.

      People who believed otherwise are the very people who brought the world into this mess. They created chemicals and toxins and fires and waste, all in the name of a better world.

      The current waste is here to stay, forever. Add me to your list of people who've said it, a million times.

      The solution you mention is very simple, and it requires zero innovation, and almost no imagination.

      Boycott everything until nuclear is abolished.

  • AirSepTech AirSepTech

    Deb Gill, DOE spokesperson: “ We certainly hope [recent events don't impact the future mission of WIPP]”

    That's about a week late, and a reality check short. Asshat

    So they 'may' need to DECONTAMINATE barrels before they go in?

    So they are dirty from origin, or along the way, or ???

    Or they can't control the shit that's in there already?

    I think we can fill in the blanks here

    • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

      Hmm,sounds VERY familiar doesn't it AirSepTech??!!, or will this be along the same lines when they do a follow-up to the story when they suggest the crisis that never was has ended?-
      Who will the "spokesperson" be to give the DOE management & emergency response/clean-up teams here in the USA after the(radioactive)dust has settled from this event/situation when they claim the event has been successfully "fixed" and the (illusion of)danger has passed??!! Who will still be left alive might be a better question?! 🙁 So sick & tired of ALL of the nuke-puke BS already!! I can already see that shutting down ALL of the NPP's couldn't hurt,but considering "how & WHERE & WHAT" they DO with all of the resulting shitium in addition to what's already piled up doesn't exactly inspire anything I would recognize or accept as a "happy ending" to the Atomic Age(?)!! 😐

    • Sickputer

      Yes indeed AST:

      When they say: "We certainly hope [recent events don't impact the future mission of WIPP]”

      What they really mean: "If we all get canned how will I make my $2000 monthly mortgage?"

  • Ontological Ontological

    Some Guru in my deep dark past at IBM in 1976 told me as a wide eyed young adult at the time, "Those waste fuel canisters will all pop like champagne bottles eventually". The wanna throw these things in the sands of Mercury Nevada. Oh wait they ARE throwing them in the sand.

    • Vince Vince Ivey

      The methods of "disposal" at WIPP and elsewhere are so ridiculous that I am now forced to conclude that the "dumbing down" of Americans started a long time ago.

      What we are witnessing now must be karma knocking.

      The future seems to be here.

  • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

    I apologize in advance should my response mirror other posted comments to this update to this recent event that's being described by those "in the know" with too many "I,or we don't know"(s) with "hope it doesn't shut us down",etc. among other vague descriptors we only see used when something's REALLY FUKuD-UP at these sites they allege has so many "unknown variables" that we must assume the absolute WORST has or is occurring(?)!! If 311/Fukushima hadn't begun with a massive "natural" disaster event of the type & magnitude that had so justifiably grabbed the attention & focus to the subsequent destructive impacts to the Fuku-Ichi NPP,I have no doubts that the story they fed the public would've been very similar if not IDENTICAL to the script they're reading from right now(?)!! 😐 Most of the blissfully unaware public would even find some sense of "comfort" when they read things like,"this type of (un-named)radiation doesn't even penetrate the skin and only presents a hazard if inhaled"(?)!!,but I properly read into this statement that it's their BS way of casually announcing that the elements involved are Alpha emitters as in Plutonium,etc. which I don't think even shows up on the type of non-scintillation, Geiger detector/counter units that most of us have or see data on,etc.,but poses even greater dangers than the shitium that IS detectable & known to be present & steadily increasing in the environment as well as our bodies?!! :(…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Odd how few media sources are showing the photo of the fire provided by WIPP.
    That's some truck fire.
    Most garages generally have fire extinguishers ..for such emergencies .. would think.

    WIPP: Underground operations suspended pending federal review

  • Jebus Jebus

    Smells more like a falsie. I think it rides nicely on the back of a simple truck fire. Look over here. Now look back at the weight of the last few days news on Fukushima.

    Either that or I have to wrap my head around how utterly stupid these "experts" and "officials" are. Was nothing secured properly when the truck caught fire? Everybody just ran? Nice.

    Was there really a truck fire? Was it really a nuclear "non event"

    The first scenario adds more weight to the gravity of Fukushima.

    The last two scenario's just add more stupid to nuclear…

  • rogerthat

    Data on the quantity and type of radiation that was present in the airborne particulates below surface, and how it compares to regular background radiation levels, is not available according to the DOE.

    Deb Gill, DOE spokesperson: “I don’t even have that because it gets into the compare-and-contrast point of view''

    The Carlsbad Environmental Monitoring and Research Center, which has monitored the air quality in and around WIPP since the 1990s and tests for radiation contamination at the facility by collecting a filter from the exhaust shaft each morning, has been unable to collect the filter since Friday.

    But from WIPP spokeswoman Deb Gill: "We are emphasizing there is no threat to human health and the environment.''

    So that's all right then.

  • rockyourworld

    nothing short of crimes against humanity

  • rockyourworld

    they spy on us because they want to know who's onto them

  • They spy on us because they are jealous of our freedom.


  • rockyourworld

    they spy on us to see who's onto them

  • Jebus Jebus

    They spy on us because they are afraid of who we are and what we could do, if we would just wake up…

  • rockyourworld

    live by the nuke, die by the nuke!

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