L.A. Times: Massive solar eruption — Could cause magnetic storm on Earth — Coronal Mass Ejection here by early Saturday

Published: April 11th, 2013 at 9:49 pm ET


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LA Times, April 11, 2013: Massive solar eruption could cause magnetic storm here on Earth […] Early Thursday morning, solar observers watched as a dark spot on the sun erupted with an enormous flash of light, causing the biggest solar flare of 2013. […] this one was powerful enough to cause a bubble of solar material called a CME (coronal mass ejection) to come bursting off the sun. […] scientists expect it will reach the Earth’s atmosphere late Friday night or early Saturday […] CMEs can occasionally affect the electronic systems of satellites or the power grid here on the ground […] Thursday’s solar flare was responsible for a brief radio blackout, NASA reported. The sun is currently nearing the peak of its 11-year solar flare cycle [when] it is normal for there to be several solar flares a day. […]

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Published: April 11th, 2013 at 9:49 pm ET


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34 comments to L.A. Times: Massive solar eruption — Could cause magnetic storm on Earth — Coronal Mass Ejection here by early Saturday

  • RememberThis RememberThis

    Just a small M6

    No Carrington event with this one


  • irhologram

    Additionally, a 10cm radio burst was associated with the event. This can be indicative of significant radio noise in association with a solar flare. This noise is generally short-lived but can cause interference for sensitive receivers including radar, GPS, and satellite communications.

    Our planet is in the line of fire from AR 1719 and today’s CME is headed our way. A geomagnetic storm category G2 is forecasted for April 13, 2013:

    Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 55 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude.
    Induced Currents – Power grid fluctuations can occur. High-latitude power systems may experience voltage alarms.
    Spacecraft – Satellite orientation irregularities may occur; increased drag on low Earth-orbit satellites is possible.
    Radio – HF (high frequency) radio propagation can fade at higher latitudes.
    Aurora – Aurora may be seen as low as New York to Wisconsin to Washington state.

  • What kind of fear are they selling here? The sun has been pretty quiet lately, but many such flares go unnoticed by nearly everyone.

    From here: http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/flareclasses.html

    "M-class flares are medium-sized; they can cause brief radio blackouts that affect Earth's polar regions. Minor radiation storms sometimes follow an M-class flare."

    More info on here: http://www.solarham.net

    A few lucky folks might see some auroras, but only if they live at high latitudes.

    Corporate shun gun fired: MEH!

  • Despite being aimed fairly at us, this "M-6" is small potatoes, compared to an "X" class flare. The next steps are M-7, M-8, M-9, then X-1 –each being double the strength of the last step. X class flares are open-ended in scale. Speculation about the strength of the 1859 "Carrington event" ranges from the X-20s to the X-40s.

  • irhologram

    From The Old Farmer's Almanac: Submitted by Almanac Staff
    To see sunspots and other solar activity on a certain day, or range of days, you might try the following site from NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory:


    Input the date range that you'd like to see. Select the type of instrument, such as the "HMI Intensitygram (orange)," the "AIA 171 (gold)," or the "Composite AIA 171, HMI Magnetogram." Click submit. You will get a movie of all images for your range, showing sun activity.

    You might also be interested in our article on sunspots:


  • A strong solar storm can bring down the grid for months, causing multiple meltdowns at nuclear plants.

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    • harengus_acidophilus

      "…trucks and buses, can generate and sell
      electricity when suitably parked,…"

      I see, they generate electricity out of nothing.

      Nice try.


    • m a x l i

      @Mark Goldes, you seem to live amidst a flock of black swans as numerous as flamingos standing in a giant lake. You should start to read the book "The Black Swan" (again) until you understand what the author meant by it. And every money-collecting fraud has to be presented very colourful and with a lot of adjectives like "best", "remarkable", "dramatic". And, of course, your investment offer is "without risk". What the heck, nuclear power is without risk, too!

      @everyone here, I had a quick look at Mark Goldes' link, immediately stumbled across a lot of nonsense and am confident this is a scheme to steal money from ecologically inclined, but a bit naive, people. Stay alert, everyone!

    • To judge from the off-putting, out-of-step/strange formatting of his web page, Mark is simply not a technical person –and doesn't have a nose for how badly that "Yildiz All-Magnet Motor" stinks. He needs to find an up-to-speed associate who can steer him clear of the many rocks and shoals.

  • m a x l i

    "Early Saturday"?

    No immediate risk!

  • The book One Second After by William Fortschen laid it all out for us, without sugaring the pill. He tells us what would happen if there was a major EMP event that knocked down the power grid and all electronics. There is no way the country could recover. Not for many years, and only after sinking into pure savagery.

    Who do we blame for inaction in protecting the power grid? Congress, of course. But Congress does not move unless prompted by either donations to its members, or their fear of losing their seats.

    So here is another case of voters' apathy. "I told you so" won't do us much good after the fact.


    • Time Is Short Time Is Short

      "One year after the EMP attack, the United States is described as having 30 million survivors, down ninety percent from an original pre-attack population of 300 million. The People's Republic of China is occupying the U.S. west coast with 500,000-strong occupation force, and Mexico has Texas and the American Southwest under military occupation, as a protectorate against China."

      "Then, refugees from the cities show up looking for food and shelter and the fight over scarce resources leads to confrontation, home invasion, and more violence-related die-offs. The community becomes an inviting target for escaped prisoners and organized gangs and more violence-related die-off. Ration cards are issued to conserve the little remaining food; regardless, the community slowly starves, with the elderly the first to die off. Next, parents starve themselves to save their children. Throughout this period suicides are common. After a year, approximately 20% of the initial population has "survived".

      The "average" die-off for the country was 90% leaving 30 million surviving out of original 300 million US population. The food-rich Midwest had the highest survival rate with a 50% die-off. New York City and Florida had a 95% die-off from infighting among their large populations, low levels of cultivated land, high elderly population, a lack of air conditioning, rampant transmission of disease, and natural disasters such as hurricanes."


    • irhologram

      I read that the entire grid could be updated for the cost of one military airplane.

      • PavewayIII PavewayIII

        How ironic. That's the precise number of military airplanes needed to take out the entire grid.


          listening to a military analyst yesterday and he stated that it would take several devices to take-out the grid. He added, then the offending nation would have to deal with the consequences, as the U.S. military took measures (long-ago) to make itself EMP proof. It is easy enough to do, by anyone, with a roll of heavy-gauge aluminum foil and a sufficient length of grounding wire…

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    So….is it a good day for planting …or not?..lol

    • ftlt

      A small plot of taters,yams and pumpkins will keep ya go'n for a long time — They are bullet proof plants and store well..

      An all root veg crop temp survival garden is not a bad idea…

      Pumpkin being a good exception… High yield… Can be eaten green like other squash and the seeds have good oil/fat content too…

    • crystalwind crystalwind

      Stay out of the sun. Otherwise, stay out of the rain. 🙂 Love.

  • Time Is Short Time Is Short

    If a solar flare on the scale of the September 1, 1859 Carrington Event (named after solar astronomer Richard Carrington who observed it from England) were to happen today we would very quickly revert to a much more primitive level of living that would last for months or years. No electricity means no water. No water means death.

    According to the NAS report, a severe space weather event in the US could induce ground currents that would knock out 300 key transformers within about 90 seconds, cutting off the power for more than 130 million people (see map). From that moment, the clock is ticking for America.

    First to go – immediately for some people – is drinkable water. Anyone living in a high-rise apartment, where water has to be pumped to reach them, would be cut off straight away. For the rest, drinking water will still come through the taps for maybe half a day. With no electricity to pump water from reservoirs, there is no more after that.

    There is simply no electrically powered transport: no trains, underground or overground. Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly – delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.


  • jump-ball jump-ball

    You can sign up for free email CME and other NOAA alerts here, or at SpaceWeather.com services:


  • Remember Katrina and Sandy. They were localized events, a few miles from supplies and the forces of order (?), but the victims were left to their own devices for weeks. It was jawdropping to watch the insensitivity of government authorities more interested in milking those events for their own benefit than in offering any effective help.

    The US, with a powerful fleet of helicopters, was unable or unwilling to send a few of them to rescue Katrina victims from roofs or to drop supplies. Watching Katrina should have made us all grow up and realize we're on our own.

    I want to cite the book "One Second After" again (see talkback above). In an extreme EMP event no amount of food supplies and water will be enough. There will be complete lawlessness and starvation. Having a personal arsenal won't be sufficient. The book tells how a small town was forced to raise an army of citizens to defend itself against armed hordes of hungry city folks looking for food – any food. It gets quite gruesome.


  • PinkFlamingo PinkFlamingo

    Have you seen how much nuclear energy gets in the latest budget ?

    This is some of it:

    $ 70 million dollars to develop small scalable reactors

    $ 735 million dollars to the Office of Nuclear Energy for nuclear energy programs

    $300 million dollars for research and development, broken down as
    $70 million dollars for reactor concepts R&D
    $165 million dollars for used fuel
    $62 million dollars for nuclear energy enabling techonologies

    $200 million dollar tax on ratepayers in 33 states to cleanup uranium enrichment facilities

    $ ? millions of dollars for the MOX fuel plant in SC

    On and on…

    When was nuclear energy ever cheap ?

  • PinkFlamingo PinkFlamingo

    Very important !

    Are you paying attention to the politics of nuclear energy ?

    You must vote in anti-nuclear candidates at a local-level-and-up or nothing will change.

    Did you watch the Energy Secretary Confirmation hearing on C-Span ?

    Watch it and see who is pro-nuclear and who supports renewable energy programs.


    Very pro-nuclear =

    Murkowski (Alaska)
    Udall (Colorado)
    Portman (Ohio)

    Others who spoke at the hearing are pro-nuclear too.

    If you're in their districts vote them out next election.

    Also, Ernest Moniz [proposed Energy Secretary for the DOE] is very big on the small "scalable" reactors.

  • * Stronger and more authoritative voices than we're able to muster have (for many years) warned and railed that we need to harden the power grid and shut down our time bomb nuclear power plants.

    Should there be a future (however distant), the intransigent, short-sighted stupidity of our civilization's "deciders" and leadership has to be turned into a series of monumental studies –enshrined in public exhibit halls.

    * I suggest that there _is_ something to be done –something which is well within the resources of individuals and families: personal time capsule projects. This activity is more than just good "therapy" and coping strategy. It's an appropriate, realistic, concrete response –which stands a chance of demonstrating the gravity of our circumstances, to a largely oblivious society.

    A "time capsule" might amount to no more than a small ceramic tile: a note in a bottle, cast upon the sea of time –a hopeful bridge to a far more rational and spiritual future.

    > http://webpages.charter.net/123goto/tct.htm

  • pcjensen

    11 April 2013 Biggest solar flare of the year knocks out radio transmissions news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57579164-76/biggest-solar-flare-of-the-year-knocks-out-radio-transmissions/

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    And now a commercial break..

    Meet Your Corporate-Tock-Crazy
    April 11 2013

    “He who funds the fiddler controls the tune”


  • NoPrevarication NoPrevarication


    "He who has the gold makes the rules." Or so it is said. However, the question is: Does Fort Knox hold any gold or has it been "loaned out"? Western countries held the gold for smaller countries such as Mexico (whose gold is supposedly in England) and who reportedly would like to see it, just to know for sure that it has not been "loaned out" without their knowledge.

    Obviously our politicians no longer make the rules for us. If they did, surely they would be sensible enough to dispose of radioactive waste in dry casks as soon as possible and close all nuclear power plants. Just imagine! They could even abolish the NRC, and the ASLB since they would not be needed. A dream is a wish your heart makes, when you're fast asleep….

  • Super Solar Storm To Hit Earth – 'Carrington Effect'; 400 Nuke Plants Will Melt Down/Explode; via @AGreenRoad