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By the way, if you're wondering what the area looked like pre-sink hole.
Here's the Google Maps image:
https://sites.google.com/a/woodfield.ca/storeage/Home/imagestorage/Assumption%20Parish%20Former.png
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+1, thanks
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Either I've 'lost' 3 days, or they're early, maybe somethings got them SPOOKED…
Judging by the amount of oil(?) in the south-west corner, those booms don't seem to be working too well anymore.
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I noticed that too. It looks to me like oil is coming up strongly in a new location on the side of the sink hole and not just from the sink hole, or the area between sink hole and the cavern.
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Another option being that there is fluid (brine ?) coming out of the sinkhole, causing a current of water(?) moving towards the south.
The oil collecting against the boom would appear thicker as the current can flow underneath the boom, but the oil being on the surface cannot. And this would possibly explain the presence of the boom on the grass due south of the oil slick.
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I thought the oil is said to be from the "big hum".
If brine is rising from the cavern then the brine is being replaced with something else pushing it out. The freshwater flowing down the side of the outer wall of the dome is probably disolving the salt.
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Last big burp the sinkhole had, water was seen to be flowing from the swamp IN to the sinkhole.
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That could account for the dead fish, and just now seeing them. They were likely the ones that died when the waters they were in was sucked into the waters from the sinkhole area. Probably where the healthy fish are still found would be where to look to see how far this stuff has spread.
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Very intuitive. That is what is happening. The brine, oil, gas bearing hydrocarbons, H2S, is expelled, and freshwater replacing it in a 'Big Gulp'.
I now understand why TB and LDNR is lying. They know for a fact the whole of the Salt Dome is a lost cause. Just a matter of time, since we know the alluvial aquifer is feeding the GOR into the Salt Dome.
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That sure looks like the pipeine has been compromised and in more than just 1 place – large different multi colored oil slick in area over from the sinkhole center area, where pipeline is and where the pipeline road used to be. That also explains why there are lots of bubble spots where the pipeline goes under the bayou. This is in addition to the other bubble spots of methane in the surrounding bayous.
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I hope it is just the pipeline that's been compromised because that can be 'shut off'.
On the other hand, if, as I suspect, the oil is coming from the ground instead, then the entire area is compromised ( soggy swiss cheese comes to mind ), the increase in bubbling on the bayou to the south would seem to indicate this, as a compromised pipeline is unlikely to produce both gas & oil at the same time, and the bubbling on the bayou is directly adjacent to the pipeline.
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They have had several days of rain. Lake Oxy 3 is is now contaminating all of the Parish. This new oil and debris was squirted out in an angular fashion after a seismic event occured last night. This looks to be the second "burp" as expected.
By the way, the pipelines were shut down just after this started and one piece was mangled up before the first 'burp'.
Just a matter of time before this whole area completely subsides. I truly wish all the remaining residents would run for the hills.
Air, water, ground, everything is pure poison and completely contaminated.
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Why have the trees not toppled???
The growth of the sinkhole around the perimeter is obviously not the 400 feet of depth… Seems more like a subsidence issue..
Am I viewing this wrong
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They have been falling in, ftlt. The growth around the perimeter is purely a water issue to the naked eye, but since no info is being released, then we have no idea what is actually going on in the sinkhole. I have my theories, but just that. Major subsidence is inevitable though.
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The sinkhole starts off very shallow, then tapers deeper to a funnel shaped bottom.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=4627118727463&set=p.4627118727463&type=1&theater
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Your content is currently unavailabe. Rain
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It's back.Must have been a glitch?
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Its unavailable here too .
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I trust nothing from APPJ
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http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA08_BHZ_GS_00.2012121112.gif
7:09 active on all of them…
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I see one area where it went off the scale. Something is either collapsing inside the cavern, *highly likely", or it is pressure related, i.e., throat clearing theory.
Right now…just don't know. I promise you they do, since this last burp, immediate flyovers, and flurry of activities noted, then Shaw and TB knows what's happening.
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Wow…..wonder if that was the burp?
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Look again at the flyover and tell me if you see debris? Then it was another 'burp', but building towards a much larger one. How do I know? Look at LA09 Seismo's!
Gators was telling you right about the equilibrium, but there is also the back pressure, and the alluvial fresh water aquifer feeding this monster.
Also, I know you aren't going to leave, because of that'Fire in your Belly' and natural stubborness, but be prepared for the consequences. This is deteriorating fast. A lot faster than they even figured and I have shown why.
I believe they know this, and are trying to stem the flow and buy time for Grand Gulf to mine all the oil and gas they can, because as I see it…the whole complete dome is going to collapse. It will take years, unless there is one major breach…once that happens, caverns will begin falling like dominos.
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I see a small amount of debris close to the dock. I believe they said a coupe more trees did fall in. When there is a burp, we smell the oil. EVERYone smells the oil. Trust me, there has been no burp yet.
They are installing a 480 foot geophone. There is a lot of activity on site.That could explain LA09 activity.
What concerns me more is the 7:09 Pm spike that shows on all helicorders.
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I must defer to you…but with the vast amount of water that is absorbing a lot od this and oil encasing it, then I still believe it was a precursor to a very major 'burp' in the next few days, and that there was a small one today. The recorders are documenting the chunks of rock salt the freshwater is undermining. For this to happen the aquifer is now actively involved as well.
What in hell has Texas Brine and Grand Gulf done?
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Sorry Rain, I disagree. That was a lot of debris. There are two vids, and they both show at least 10 trees or pieces of trees.
Do what I am forced to do with these vids, put them full screen and put on my readin glasses!
God, I hate Middle Age!
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Okay…I enlarged, and still see the same thing…yes, what looks like some trees down on the east side. Guess I'm missing your point? It's almost a daily think that trees are falling in. But I think we are saying the same thing…..you about the debris, and me about the oil.
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Frox.. good thinking about this from you. As the oil floats up alongside the dome it allows for water to take its place. Ever deeper the water will trend down.
One solution may be to pump brine water as deep as they can to hold off the fresh water. They probably should have filled the collapsing cavern with something solid at the first sign.
It could take years if they can't do something, but if there is a fissure through the dome water could invade and dissolve it much quicker.
BTW: Met a Cajun from the area, just a few days ago. He said he had never been down in one of the caverns but new some fellas who had worked inside. Said there were some caverns so large they had big earth moving equipment in the holes.
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Charles W.
No one has ever been in the caverns physically in Napoleonville, ever. These are not Salt Mines. These were brine caverns and were tested with a brine solution on 1962 which was the testbed for such revolutionary experiments.
Maybe go look in other places, such as the Lake Piegneur Salt Dome that actual miner's worked in, until the disaster.
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Hey FRox….why did you address this post as you did CW?
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How many other people do you know that would go onto a Fukushima thread, and ask if anyone noticed the UFO go into the #4 reactor? Just after stating, "I'm new here."
I could be wrong, but doubtful.
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I'm going dig.. hopefully I will find something!
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http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/ORDER_DIRECTIVES/20121207_5thAmendDecEmer.pdf
Not sure if this one has been posted.
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I can't even finish reading it… I know things take time, however this is a bit much.
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Yeah I know. I read all the updates this morning. Remember anything new is in red. A lot of double speak as well.
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This order from DNR is ignorant. They are repeating the same steps and begging, (order, my butt) that TB to do the same thing over and over again, knowing they won't do it. Hell, Texas Brine Co. LLC and Occidental Chemical Corp. have to pay Louisiana $3.47 million for their damages (as of 11 Nov.) Yeah right, unless they pay by midnight, I just don't see it happening.
Corrupt and inept.
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OxyChem isn't going to be on the hook for anything. Bayer – Texas Brine's european pimp – just *collects* money from Texas Brine. Jindal? Not a chance. Any short-term cost will be paid back in double by handouts (as 'aid') from Washington.
And I'll challenge your assertion that the DNR is ignorant. They are pretty skilled at what they do: pimping out Louisiana's resources and diverting every dime that comes back to the legions of cronies milking Louisiana taxpayers. That's what they do. This diversion of wealth is astounding – it simply could not be done by idiots.
Alaskans were incredibly pissed when their state did the SAME thing in the early 70's. They amended their state constitution to force the political mafia to put 25% of pipeline royalties aside for future generations. The Alaska Permanent Fund has grown to over $30 BILLION by now and pays over a thousand bucks a year directly to residents. You'll never see that kind of fluke in Louisiana because the state political mafia is smart.
Locals will continue suffering and U.S. taxpayers will end up holding the bag. Shaw might eventually figure out that the gas is spreading under the clay exactly like the laws of physics would predict, or they may not. They're getting paid either way.
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LOL, tell us how you really feel, Paveway. I find myself in full agreement.
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Were you following the Camp Minden thing, Freedomrox? Can't remember cause I'm old, irradiated and cranky. Here's a bone for you (or whomever I'm confusing you with): http://www.deq.louisiana.gov/apps/pubNotice/pdf/EXPLO%20InfrastructureAssessmentReport10-29-10.pdf
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What am I supposed to get from this Paveway? I thank you for it, but other than the fact that they left all these explosives out in the weather every since they moved in…
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OK, it was someone else I guess…
It's about how Webster Parish, the DEQ and Camp Minden sucked up to Explo Systems for a handful of decent-paying jobs a few years back.
Explo sent one of their rented munitions bunkers at Camp Minden into orbit a couple of months ago. This was in Northwest LA. People thought it was a meteor or methane.
Turns out that Explo has also been 'hiding' six million pounds of M6 artillery propellant outside their processing building. If that would have gone up instead, it would have wiped Camp Minden and Doyline off the face of the earth. The locals had to evacuate this weekend so the ATF or al Queda or someone could move the explosives to a more appropriate storage location.
MSM mostly ignored the October explosion and is completely ignoring the six million pounds of M6 being properly stored. Someone had made an interesting comment about how this could happen, but how they would be body-cavity searched by TSA for having too much toothpaste in a carry-on.
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It's a horrible doc!
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Texas Brine thinks we are all idiots. They post all weekend that there are no hydrocarbons on the sinkhole, then all of a sudden APPJ does an unexpected flyover and golly….look at all that OIL. And yes, it is on the west side, and not in the middle, where Texas brine says there is "light' bubbling. The video, IMO proves that APPJ is not trying to hide anything with their videos,or they sure would not have done the flyover, or posted those pics showing all that oil.
I do question why they did a flyover today, 3 days early, and today was very cloudy, overcast and threatening rain.
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Apparently the flyovers yesterday were to bring up several politicians…..
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Who? Do tell.. did Bobby finally take a look???
Those politicians that have seen need extra heavy pressure.. calls, emails, letters..
If you can find out who, I will write!
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Chairman Gerald Long
House Chairman Gordon Dove
Senator Rick Ward
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FINALLY! That's a brilliant plan. Airdrop useless politicians into the sinkhole to fill it and plug the leak!
Bonus: it's Louisiana. You'll run out of sinkhole well before you run out of corrupt politicians.
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hahahahahaha.. oh boy.. hehehehe.. sputter splurt drewl.. good one..
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Snick, snicker, Bwhahahahahahahaha!
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I suspect it is because they knew something was going on too. Believe it or not, one person tells me they check ENEnews everyday, as well as the FB page for sinkhole news, and they check the seismo's as well… (actually jst one guy), but that is a very sad statement on their authority and confidence in Shaw and TB, and the industry in general.
Have you seen the siesmic upheaval that preceeded this? You were correct, there was an event. The police jury caught them lying. They stated in their update there was no debris, and in the flyover, you see debris. They said there was no oil, and they weren't even going to skim for it….and there it was.
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FRox, I knew when they said the cavern well was shut in, that the oil would come up through the sinkhole, or find another path out. I knew saying there was no oil was absolutely untrue.Wish they had done the flyover Sunday, or yesterday, but happy they did one today at least.
Haven'tlooked at the seismos yet. I will tho.
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There are definitely some good guys in this, and there are definitely some bad ones… the hard part is, telling them apart!
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@Ibuiltthis
Sweetheart, as you should know by now, everyone wears a gray hat, not white, not black hats, but totally gray.
We all try to do what is right, but make mistakes that leave a small black spot on our souls. The trick is to live with the stain, and to still do what is right, or to allow the spot to grow and matastisize into a malignant tumor that wreaks havoc upon our souls, and allows our conscience to become silent, and therefore, the very definition of evil.
Every moment is a Choice, Choose Wisely.
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Daily detailed inspection report for Texas Brine:
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/INSPECTION_REPORTS/20121211BCChecklistPM.pdf
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Sorry if anyone has already seen this, but it's new to me..Pics from the ground!! 12/11/12
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/INSPECTION_REPORTS/PHOTOS/20121211AMinspectionphoto2.jpg
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/INSPECTION_REPORTS/PHOTOS/20121211PMinspectionphoto4.jpg
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Morning ibuilthis….no I have not seen those pics. Where were they? Obviously TB pics. I did use to watch the daily inspection reports but stopped. Anxious to know what FRox is talking about that y'all uncovered.
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Rainbeaudais, I may have hit a good link!! Here is a link to all the new updates with photo's!!
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=pagebuilder&tmp=home&pid=958
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Thanks…..first one I clicked on, my computer froze. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Gonna try again
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Hmmmm…
2:00 p.m. Slough-in Reported
December 12, 2012 //
Texas Brine has reported to us that a small slough in occurred last night on the SW side of the sinkhole. No exact measurements have been provided.
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Hey Rainb, are you going to the briefing? Department of Health and Hospitals??
If you do.. Take your video camera!
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Yes and yes…..:-)
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who are they kidding?? the whole area is gonna slough in.. just a matter of time, and not that much time based on how it has been going..
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA03_BHZ_GS_00.2012121200.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA09_BHZ_GS_00.2012121200.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/
more this morning
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA01_BHZ_GS_00.2012121212.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA08_BHZ_GS_00.2012121212.gif
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They have told us it could get as large as 1600 feet from day one.
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um, that new oil slick, on 4th look, makes me wonder if a pipeline broke.. isn't the new oily slick in the pipeline right of way..? Coincidence?
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Not if said right of way can be found at the bottom of a stinky 400' brine funnel. Think of it as nature's 'Slip-n-Slide'. Fun *and* lethal at the same time.
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@pavewayiii are you sure?
http://www.edsuite.com/proposals/proposals_280/florida_pipeline_gas_transmission_profile_fi_361.jpg
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That pipeline conatined 2 twenty inch pipes that were emptied and shut in way back in August.Once empty, one of them floated up to the surface. That opil is not coming from the pipeline…they contained gas only.
http://assumptionla.com/bayoucorne/FAQ
Please explain how a pipeline is to evacuate and shut in.
To evacuate and shut in a pipeline, the block valves on either end of the area to be evacuated are shut in and the gas remaining in that area is either flared or vented off and/or compressed for transport to another line.
Was this completed/ when?
Yes — both were completely evacuated and shut in by August 5, 2012.
Has this eliminated the hazard of a possible explosion of these pipelines?
Yes, no potential of explosion exists for the areas that are shut in.
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Thanks rain. No one seemed to believe me…(snif)
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@rainb.. saw that long time ago.. back in September.. only refers to two pipelines, then goes on to talk about Acadian Gas or Crosstex..and that both were managed..
I am asking about the Florida Gas pipeline.. do you know specifics for that one..I have yet to see a plan or any details.. doesn't mean it hasn't happened, I just may have missed it.. and yes, I get that gas would not make that mess on top of the water, and that would, more than likely be oil.. hydrocarbon material of some sort.. I still wonder about that Florida transmission line..
..I guess we could call them.. found this list.. just for Assumption Parish.. bet it does not stay open long.. those numbers will be redacted sooooooonnnn!!
Also, do a bit of dot collecting while there..notice the repeated names at different companies.. hmmm…
https://www.npms.phmsa.dot.gov/FindOperator/PublicSearch.aspx
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oh, well the link does not stay put.. so search by county.. select Louisiana, then Assumption.. you get a nice list.. with phone numbers.
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http://infopost.panhandleenergy.com/HotTap/notice/show/39957
Where was it? OMG….RIGHT there under :
Florida Gas Transmission Company, LLC
Hey Cataclysmic, with all due respect, you are digging up old bones. How can you possibly think they would leave an active pipeline in the middle of all that crap. You should see that the people here are very well versed on all that has happened up to date. Last link I will find for you. Cheers!
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I have a few question for a local in the sinkhole area. Most areas of our state have fish in our bayous, etc. And of course many people in our state enjoy fishing and eating what we catch. Do you know if any fish are still alive in Bayou Corne? Obviously even if they are they would not be fit for human Consumption! It seems to me that most wildlife that was previously in this area has moved somewhere else. Are there still fish actually alive in this Bayou? And if not at what time and point did they die off? I have no doubt that Texas Brine is responsible for this disaster! And why did Texas Brine move to Louisiana to create this manufacturing disaster? Don't they have places in Texas to do this type of manufacturing? Our state is not a dump site! Are the laws tougher in Texas when it comes to this type of Manufacturing? If so then maybe Louisiana should toughen up it's laws and regulations to prevent a future disaster like this from occurring once again!
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A nice ground view pic of the sinkhole:
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/INSPECTION_REPORTS/PHOTOS/20121211AMinspectionphoto2.jpg
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@ibuiltthis
Do you remember the thread we were on the other night discussing that Golden Gate now runs all the drilling for NPVL? An Australian outfit now runs all drilling around and into the Salt Dome. Subbing to lowest bidders as well, since Mantle Gas and Oil was the subs, and had a blow out in 2010, then moved over next to Hensarling, and had another Blowout in 2011.
I just saw a connection to methane migration and the endless drilling.
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Also, thank you, because this shows the debris I was trying to show rainbow. TB said there was No OIL, and NO DEBRIS, and they weren't even going to skim it and no debris removal was necessary.
We also know exactly when the 'slough-in' occured. We watched in on all of the seismic helicorders..
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Freedom, did you check out my link above… It has tons of new pics from the ground and very very detailed updates…
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Yes, I did. Thank you. Most of it is equipment shots and so big it nearly blows my video driver…so takes a while for me to go thru the.
Thanks again.
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Check the helicorders.. wow.. something is happening. I have not seen them jump quite like this.. all of them, but the last 3.
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/
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Wonder if Rain is feeling any of these movements – some big spikes on those heli's. Has anyone convinced her to leave yet?
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No, and I have given up. She has it in her mind that she will not give up until she uncovers the corruption and ensures that the residents are given a fair shake. Her passion, anger, and natural born stubborness will not allow her to leave, until all her neighbors are taken care of. I truly admire her courage, kind of like Karen Silkwood…only remember what happened to her…
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Guys…I have heard you and I know you are concerned, but can we drop the "get out now" stuff? And please don't make me out to be some kind of martyr….I'm not. Many people have not left. The command center itself is closer than I am to anything. I…we haven't left because we don't want to leave. I am not staying to un cover corruption, or to be sure my neighbors are taken care of. I do feel there is danger, but I also do feel that they would call a forced evac if they thought it necessary.
I stay confused as it is. One day I say I am not leaving. The next day I say I am. Next day I'm not again. If I thought I was in immediate danger, I would go. We all would. when they close the highway, I will know it's time. Otherwise, I am willing to take the chance, and that's my choice. Hard to explain, but try to understand.
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Sorry, I did not mean to take liberties with your character. I just gave my take on you…No offence intended. Why on earth you would trust the Authorities to warn you of anything, I will never know, since they have been so honest and open so far. (sarcasm intended)
You are a grown woman and can make your own choices, and I respect that, so I have given up.
But, whether you know it or not, you have become the unofficial spokesperson for the resident's that have remained. You have also become an Activist, whether you like it or not.
Also, let me point out that Karen Silkwood never thought herself a martyr for even a second, none do…but that's just how it turns out sometimes.
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Well dang, I guess I better cancel that Super Woman costume I was gonna mail you to wear to the next meeting!!
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I was rooting for the Wonder Woman one myself. Tweeeeet-Twwooooo!
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Hahaha… She sure is a Super Woman to me! Out in the boat filming, taking on the evil female representative…
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Okay….well, I didn't know gifts would be forthcoming. Super Woman costume at that. Shoot…
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Also, LA09 (closest to the sinkhole) is not showing as much as LA08 and LA02, or the others. LA03 is the one raising the most hell and that is over the half empty butane cavern.
LOCATION OF HELI's
http://www.edsuite.com/proposals/proposals_280/seismic_map_092012_fi_466.pdf
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Todays update:
-During night on
the south/ west side of sinkhole lost a few
trees and a burp of debris surfaced.
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/INSPECTION_REPORTS/20121212BCChecklistPM.pdf
pic of debris after "burp":
http://dnr.louisiana.gov/assets/OC/BC_All_Updates/INSPECTION_REPORTS/PHOTOS/20121212AMinspectionphoto1_003.JPG
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So we called it on the spot, "I built this". Go us! 7:09 on the dot. Hey take a look at the 'Helis'. At five o'clock, everything went off the charts. I would speculate that another cavern collapse has taken place further in, because LA03 over the butane cavern captured the best hits.
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA03_BHZ_GS_00.2012121200.gif
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/heli_temp/LA03_BHZ_GS_00.2012121212.gif
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Go us!!! What's under 08? I need to check on that.
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LA 03 is South and East and 08 is on the east side of the Oxy 3 well. Both are over the butane caverns.
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Sorry, here is the map of the Heli's
http://www.edsuite.com/proposals/proposals_280/seismic_map_092012_fi_466.pdf
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The wave on 08 looks like liquid movement to me… I may be wrong, but it's my guess.
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These heli's are super sensitive. The blank spots are readings that are either off the charts, or is going down and up…Since the super large waveforms all spike at the exact same time, then that is not a liquid.
The in-between readings are and then once it settles down you can see the liquids sloshing around, but every last heli reports off the scale at exactly the same time….
There's something happening here.
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Look at 4:15 on all of the heli's, and you will see what I am saying.
Welcome back Rainbow!
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