Published: October 15th, 2011 at 9:29 am ET
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Citizens’ Testing Finds 20 Hot Spots Around Tokyo, The New York Times:
Tokyo, Oct. 14 — Tokyo radiation measurements “raise major and unprecedented concerns about the aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster.” -Robert Alvarez, a nuclear expert and a former special assistant to the United State Secretary of Energy
“Radioactive substances are entering people’s bodies from the air, from the food. It’s everywhere. But the government doesn’t even try to inform the public how much radiation they’re exposed to.” -Kiyoshi Toda, a radiation expert at Nagasaki University’s faculty of environmental studies and a medical doctor
“Everybody just wants to believe that this is Fukushima’s problem. But if the government is not serious about finding out, how can we trust them?” -Kota Kinoshita, one of the citizen groups’ leaders and a former television journalist
Published: October 15th, 2011 at 9:29 am ET
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/japan-earthquake-2011-gov_n_989682.html
Good grief. I’m truly getting worried about Enenews disappearing for good. It’s too valuable in reporting the truth, therefore a DANGER to “nuclear operatives” IMO.
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Don’t worry Whoopie…takes more than guns to kill a movement.
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Yeah…I agree! I’m going to WSP today. I’m taking a sign saying NO MORE NUKES! Hope to see others there too.
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It’s really inspiring minus a few IDIOTS to watch the comments coming in here. It gives me new ENERGY to see so many joining in with the protests
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/15/occupy-wall-street-protests-europe-asia_n_1012336.html
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Quote: I’m going to WSP today.
You coming to see me Whoopie? J/K…Good Luck))))
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Small town here. I dont know you. lol!
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AWESOME Whoopie! WTG!!!
p.s. did you ever e-mail me? Had some trouble with my mail, and it wouldn’t let me reply to “you.” If it was you, I’ll try a test mail tomorrow. If not, then since the sender said they were you … that would be creepy! Just want to be sure.
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sorry to be ignorant, what is WSP?
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Wall Street Protest,…is my guess Bmurr
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ah, yes, I didn’t even put that together. I’m heading to the Occupy New Haven protest in about an hour.
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I will be in the occupy Tacoma protest as well as the occupy Seattle protest.
If you all have seen my Facebook profile you probably would have made the connection…
Tacomagroove@facebook.com
I’ve been quite the protester this year.
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EXCELLENT, TG!!! WTG to you, too!
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Hi bmurr,
Sorry I have no clue…I thought it was me…haha
WSP – WindorSolarPlease
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I think StillJill is correct, that it means Wall Street Protest.
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Kudos, Whoopie.
(tg from HP.)
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I think Whoopie will have the biggest sign there.
Let us know how it went..Be Safe)))
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Thats the problem with the term movement.
It infers that it moves a short distance and then stops.
What we need is a full blown type of revolution. They have an annoying habit of coming back around.
A nukecon revolution.Wouldn’t that be nice.
RAH
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That sure would RAH. Remember when they had that movement against NUKES? It was over shadowed by WSP. Didn’t hear too much about it. REVOLUTION would be great.
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WSP, Evolution, & the 100th Monkey!
The splitting of the atom mandated that consciousness must evolve beyond violence. When consciousness and technology reach the point that it can create the end of life, an evolution in morality or ethics is required (Sorry, the words aren’t adequate here). Maybe a new word or the right word will come with the change in awarenss and behavior.
But somehow, our spiritual evolution must match or at least approximate our technological evolution.
We have created:
And thus, as Einstein said, we must change our mode or way of thinking. This is, as I see it, what the OWS movement is about. It is the trigger which has gotten the 100th monkeys moving to evolve beyond violence.
We cannot be violent and have Nukes.
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Here’s a song for you Whoopie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64REzRkT2Xg
Thanks for all you do.
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Quote: “Everybody just wants to believe that this is Fukushima’s problem.
I think everyone wants to believe this, including me. However, it’s a global problem that is not being addressed.
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+100
I completely agree I am disgusted that this is not the main issue of focus here in the united states.
I am very angry by the lack of support our nation is aiding to our international brothers and sisters.
It is not only their lives that are being effected. Our entire planets resources are being poisoned, while Items like the Micheal Jackson trial steal the lime light.
I have little faith in humanity at this point.
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Hi Tacomagroove,
The question is why:
Why the main issue of focus is not on, our resources that are being poisoned, global problem that is not being addressed, and the lack of support our nation is aiding to our international brothers and sisters.
I keep coming up with only one excuse, they can’t admit to anything that is happening, because they are protecting the energy corporations like they did with the GOM.
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Could it be they know how our on lands will be shortly !
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I agree with you, TG…I am disgusted about the lack of meaningful news on the MSM. At least Occupy Wall Street is getting some attention.
Me, my family and friends are all going to SF to the protest today. My hope would be that as the global economy collapses, this kind of thing could bring. I personally wish we could all go to bartering and local currencies instead. It would totally undermine the people together to establish new ways of doing things without relying on money. The old ways obviously don’t work anymore.
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Aaargh!! Somehow my tablet keeps screwing up my posts!! What I meant to say is that it would undermine the super rich and the elite and empower the people, and bring people together. Or something like that…
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bynthe way, does anyone know how to get a Geiger counter recalibrated? I’ve never seen a Geiger counter repair shop around town…
It seems to be working okay right now, but the fact that it’s been glitch makes it untrustworthy to me.
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Can you send it back to the company that made the GC? That is how I get mine calibrated.
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Hi westcoastgirl
OWS I believe is about many things that need change. For me it’s not about a global economy collapses. This is about change for the better and fairness.
There has been many things that have not been fair or right. People are fed up.
You would not want a global economy collapses, that would only hurt the poor, and the medium income people.
A global economy collapse would not hurt the wealthy, it all would be theirs for the taking. They have plenty of reserves, of everything that they would ever need.
We need change, for the better. They should show the people there will be more jobs instead of over seas jobs, help those who need it, health care, stop bailing out the rich they are not putting it back into our Country, safer energy, end nuclear plants, education, and so on.
This Country needs to grow and flourish, not taken down.
Unfortunately, Fukushima has probably put the final nails in all our coffins, but then they don’t want to talk about that.
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WSP, I am not hoping for an economic collapse, just looking at the writing on the wall…even what taco posted earlier about the state of Japan is going to have huge global consequences as it gets worse. So the best thing to do is to establish a new system in the meantime. I am sure someday food, water, and skills will be much more valuable than money. And if money has no worth, even the rich won’t have enough.
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Hi westcoastgirl,
I can see where there would be global consequences with the state that Japan is in.
I can sadly even see where NWO and new currency will eventually happen.
Most people at least has enough to last a month. The wealthy has a lot more than we have, shelter, food, water, gold, and so on. They can out last us.
To me OWS, is only about the fairness for the people, betterment of this Country, and a safe environment for all of us.
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@WCG, Santa Cruz already has Santa Cruz dollars for bartering. We might be seeing more bartering as things get crazier and crazier.
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I was and discussed with the no response more then 5 months ago and still am, all we can do is offer and pray there will come a way for some to get to a safer place, Our gov. used them and when troubles come that our industries sold them, … beware countries thinking nukes !
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And yes the economy around the world is shaken by the falling of Japan, we spoke of these thing almost 7 months ago after the reactors blew, how could Japan survive and industrial Nation with radiation everywhere !
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I wonder if any formal recoggnition of the actual situation in Japan would effectively start an avelanch ending with a sooner than later demise of Japan (economics, government, etc)?
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I have a question.
Since radiation is being detected in Tokyo, would Boeing’s brand new Boeing 787 Dreamliner that landed in Tokyo on September 28th pick up radiation? Or for that matter, are any airplanes being contaminated with radiation?
No one has ever really answered the question of airplane contamination; how it happens, if it happens, what’s being done if it does happen…
In March, there were a few stories about airplanes and radiation contamination and then silence.
Airports across the U.S. are welcoming the new Dreamliner and hailing it as a big event.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/28/uk-dreamliner-views-idUSLNE78R01F20110928
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-flight-japan-radiation,0,1995241.story
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idk but we do know about airplanes and chernobyl
http://files.aea.be/Downloads/2002-042.pdf
the rad transport issue is mentioned here at ene periodically … not something tptb want us to think about too much just yet.
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Yes, the airlines fly through the jet stream, which has high radiation levels.
This is a graph of radiation levels from a weather balloon launched from Fukushima City on August 27. The jet stream was over this area on that day.
http://www.sss.fukushima-u.ac.jp/sonde_data/show?id=221
The altitude of 9-12 km corresponds to the jet stream. It is also the altitude at which jets fly.
The radiation at 0 km is on the ground at Fukushima City, which is very high. At the jet stream level, it is more than 20 times higher, it is actually off the chart.
The high level of radiation at the jet stream level has nothing to do with the balloon being launched in Japan. The air at 9-12 km had already circled the northern hemisphere 10 times by this point.
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@Bobby1- so chemtrail pilots are getting hit big time. Not to mention their load is radioactive.
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The chemtrail pilots might deserve it, but ordinary pilots and passengers are getting dosed. And the planes themselves are highly contaminated by now.
In the graph, there is a lot of radiation above the jet stream level. This is all going to fall down, so it is going to keep getting worse.
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The short answer is yes. There most likely are radioactive particles being sucked into engines and air filters, deposited on the pilots, stewards, passengers, lugage, the people that clean the planes, etc. then the seats, floors, cockpits, storage ares etc. are being contaminated. Then flown around the world, over and over again. People depart one plane and board another, carrying particles with them. They ingest then excrete. So yes, the planes will become radioactive and become sources of contamination wherever they go.
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fyi occupy wallstreet is now in tokyo.
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Marching behind a large “Occupy Tokyo” banner, about 300 protesters proceeded to the headquarters of Tokyo Electric Power Co., owner of the radiation-leaking Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant. “Dissolve Tepco,” “Stop nuclear power plants,” they chanted.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20111015x1.html
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FYI – Tokyo radiation will soon be in Wall Street.
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fukushima-diary is reporting a confidential government report shared with the media in june.
tepco claimed in the first 100 hours………
7 trillion 600 billion becquerels of NEPTUNIUM 239 was released.
N239 has dispersed EVERYWHERE. Its a gas. It degrades into
plutonium 239, as we all know.
So a compound that lasts a minimum of 240 thousand years
has been delivered around the northern hemisphere.
uugggghhhh……….
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Why is this a surprise?
I have though this since the beginning. If i look back on my face book page to march 15th, I think i posted that we will have a nuclear geyser in japan when the cores melt through. So when that happens, I’ll say “hmm, figures.”
It’s not like we didn’t see this happen with our own eyes. And we knew that reactor 3 was a MOX fuel reactor, and that it EXPLODED!
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“MOX plutonium fuel used in Fukushima’s Unit 3 reactor two million times more deadly than enriched uranium
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031736_plutonium_enriched_uranium.html#ixzz1arlqCj00
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Posted MARCH 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It’s a matter of complacency – not lack of knowledge. The media is covering for the Corporations, because the Corporations own the Media.
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Uranium 238 easily converts to Plutonium 239. In respects to the addition of neutrons
So every reactor is technically full of plutonium.
However Mox is packed with plutonium. In all respects the mied oxide fuel source is terrible, though 1,2, and 4; All have a significant amount of plutonium decay… which is worth noting.
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MOX is finely ground plutonium so it very light and easily airborne, much more so than if it had not been so finely ground to form the MOX fuel. So it spreads very far away–clear around the globe.
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Citizens’ Testing Finds 20 Hot Spots Around Tokyo
October 15, 2011
“Kaoru Noguchi, head of Tokyo’s health and safety section, however, argues that the testing already done is sufficient. Because Tokyo is so developed, she says, radioactive material was much more likely to have fallen on concrete, then washed away. She also said exposure was likely to be limited.”
“Nobody stands in one spot all day,” she said. “And nobody eats dirt.””
“Japan’s relatively tame mainstream media, which is more likely to report on government pronouncements than grass-roots movements, mainly ignored the citizens’ group’s findings.”
“The government’s own aerial testing showed that although almost all of Tokyo had relatively little contamination, two areas showed elevated readings. One was in a mountainous area at the western edge of the Tokyo metropolitan region, and the other was over three wards of the city — including the one where the baseball field is situated.”
“Perhaps we could have stayed in Tokyo with no problems,” he said. “But I choose a future with no radiation fears.”
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20111014/ZNYT03/110143016/-1/news06?p=4&tc=pg
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What the japanese government fails to acknowledge is the contamination can be surveyed virtually everywhere. In fact I doubt you can find a cesium or iodine free location to survey.
Everyone inhales dirt, everyday. Its called dust.
Everyone is exposed everyday, as well as every crop, public watering system, and home.
They are dying, Every last one of them…
Slowly and steadily, the slinky will creep its way out of Japan.
Only time separates us from our destiny’s.
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I agree Tacoma and when I read Only time separates us from our destiny’s. That gave me the willy’s. Sooo True!!!
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It reminds me of when I originally began to post here in March / April.
I didn’t mean to scare anyone…
But I certainly wanted them to care about what was happening inside the reactors on site; As well as how it impacted their daily lives…
I have never felt so insulted for trying to help anyone,
But I have made many many good friends here.
I cherish you all. I hope you have enjoyed my posts and I look forward to writing more articles in the future.
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Hi Tacomagroove,
I remember and I wrote: I hope you are wrong, but I wouldn’t count on it. (something like that)
I still hope you are wrong, but again that is just my hopeful thinking.
I know what I really think, and this doesn’t look good.
Thank you for links, advice, and so much))))
This is a great group, so many giving out information.
I’m glad I found this site.
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I am not happy when enenews goes down. This one lasted quite a few hours.
And yes, Occupy Wall Street is a ray of hope, but if we’re all dead from rainiation or snowtium 69 we be fuk’d.
It seems to me that No Nuke Power and Corporations are not People should be the largest number of signs and the greatest issues at all Occupy demonstrations.
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@poor daddy. And All ENENEWS USERS:
http://WWW.FUKUSHIMADAILY.WEBS.COM
It is alternate chat forum I made to continue communications between the users here during times the site is offline.
You are welcome to make a free account and use it
(so long as you respect the other users on the site).
Every user here on enenews should start a free account and bookmark the page so we have a backup location. (In the event we lose enenews).
Admin I only post this to support your work. I welcome you to create a page as well, and participate anonymously between the users. It is not in competition to your site, as it is only a social networking / page, and in no way is a replacement to this site. Its more like an enenews fanclub.
Emmy.
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Also feel free to start any forum discussions you would like, and upload any content.
There is Instant messaging, private emailing, media uploading and links to other fukushima related sites.
I feel it is a great meeting ground for the users here .
(mainly for when admin is doing his maintenence)…
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Another place to gather is REALITY CHECK.
It has an on-line chat, with no signing up and a lot of nuclear news:
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html
The chat is in the middle of the front page.
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yes, yes … ditto that at RC. the forum is also
a place of discussion and info gathering
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/board,23.0.html
howdy Mack! u still got that wicked Chernobly dispersion map? thinkin Tokyo and Japan layed over it …..
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main page has OWS live with links to other world news
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/
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Hey chemfood! Is this the map? (I remember being surprised at how much radiation Ireland and Scotland got):
http://www.tuurdemeester.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Chernobyl-map-Caesium-137-contaminated-areas-in-European-countries.jpeg
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that’s the one! trying to get a perspective … they have one for Japan?
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No, I haven’t been able to find one. Good idea, though. I’d like to see that, too.
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also navel gazing, you have a favorite prep site?
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Japan refuses to survey plutonium to provide a feeling of false security. Taking this stance reveals the true magnitude of the situation.
Please if you live in Japan. Move now, while you have the means and ability to do so.
I have a feeling that the Japanese government will begin to strictly enforce international travel visas; Due to the volume of its citizens fleeing the Honshu Island.
As its economy begins to crumble, the cabinet will implement Various, laws and limitations to traveling abroad.
The Tsunami alone destroyed their nations financial infrastructure. As citizens flee abroad; Stock Markets will begin to crash not only in Japan but globally as well. Trade routes will begin to steer their vessels and assets away from the crumbling remains of the Once great Tokyo.
Those who fail to leave in urgency will be left behind. Much like they are already being left behind now. Its only a manner of time before more adequate test results show that the contamination has spread, in highly concentrated amounts engulfing the entire island… The contamination is there…
Why any citizen of Japan is waiting to hear what all the evidence is pointing to is beyond my level of understanding. They are proving nothing but their own ignorance, by waiting any longer to evacuate.
I find that the longer they stay the less I feel sorry for them. It is now their duty to leave Japan. It is their destiny to rebuild, and learn from their mistakes…
The whole world needs to learn from this crisis. We should strive together to abandon Nuclear power. While passing the lessons of our past to, future generations.
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“We should strive together to abandon Nuclear power.”
I simply can’t agree with this one, and here’s why; fusion power is also classified as nuclear power, however, it’s nothing like these retarded things we have today as power plants. If one defines “nuclear power” as of what we have today, ok then, I’ll agree, but that is very limited and somewhat flawed definition.
Retards like greenpeace are against fusion research, but I can’t honestly even understand why. Perhaps they are comparing it to this primitive technology we have today and failing miserably once again to understand science, or anything else for that matter.
Anyway, I’ll just drop this here, science is the key to the understanding the universe and this is where we should be at;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc
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You said: “retards like greenpeace”
* Greenpeace was in Japan soon after the meltdowns and doing independent testing of the water and monitoring the air
* It was Greenpeace that condemned the raising of radiation limits in children, which brought this issue to the attention of the media.
* It was Greenpeace that detected cobalt-60 in a park in Fukushima City (60 km northwest of the power plant)
* It was Greenpeace that took samples around schools and found radiation levels were too high even after clean-up for children to be going to school
* It was Greenpeace that called for the widening of the evacuation zone for children and pregnant women
* It was Greenpeace that called on PM Noda to take steps to protect the children of Japan
* It was Greenpeace that found the high level of radiation in seaweed
* It was Greenpeace that demanded that women and children be evacuated from Fukushima
With regard to the Japanese nuclear crisis, Greenpeace has been exemplary, showing humanity and concern for the Japanese people
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TRUE. Yes, Greenpeace has epitomized real Science and morality on this catastrophe. Go Greenpeace!! Gutsy and green!!
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Okay, let’s continue and get a bit better picture of this precious greenpeace of yours, since I’m lazy I’ll just link wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Greenpeace
In various occasions they’ve decided that results are more important than means, and that includes outright lying, fabricating facts and/or evidence, reporting only partially what’s true, and basically anything you’d expect from your medium corrupt government to do. Also, personally I’ve given up on greenpeace after they demonstrated their lack of understanding of basic physics.
They stopped the train in germany which was carrying the nuclear waste, and while I didn’t have opinion on that, the pictures which they published was enough for me. They took pictures with heat camera from the trains, and then claimed that the heat is radiation, while a heat camera is totally incapable of taking pictures of actual nuclear radiation. The difference between heat and nuclear radiation is a huge one, but for greenpeace and their propaganda, it didn’t matter. Also these clowns are against of fusion power, which is safe and byproducts include pure h20. So, a technology providing energy AND clean water without the risks of today’s nuclear energy is bad? How the hell can you locigally support a conclusion like that?
Then there’s the video from fukushima made by greenpeace where they take readings measured in cpp, which doesn’t take into account the type of radiation, AT ALL. Yeah, I’ve seen it.
I wouldn’t personally give credit to greenpeace for anything related to fukushima accident. All those things you listed are excellent PR campaings, but the actual data and all things I’ve seen that matters come from concerned inviduals, not from an organization with a agenda. Of course they are there to score some PR points, I wouldn’t expect anything less from them.
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The Nuclear Trolls have arrived.
(probably from HP)
I’m going to the Protest.
Later guys.
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lol @ whoopie, I’ve been here from the beginning of enews, I’m not a troll, and I’m not FOR nuclear power per se. Also, I don’t read HP (huffington post? or whatever it was). It really gets me a warm & fuzzy feeling, the way you’re such a facist with your mentality. It honestly makes me smile. “if you don’t agree with me, you’re a troll and a communist!”
Have a nice protest, whatever you are protesting against. Just watch out the paranoid android in your closet.
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Greenpace:
They were first to find high levels of radiation in seaweed.
They were the first to find high radiation levels in the ocean.
They were the first to find high levels of radiation in marine life.
They were the first to find high levels of radiation in school yards that were supposedly decontamined.
I guess if you want to downplay the good things Greenpeace has done in Japan, then that’s your prerogative.
I don’t think it was “PR” to go to Japan immediately after 3 nuclear meltdowns, put on a Tyvek suit and mask, and put your life and health in danger to monitor radiation.
It’s not my “precious Greenpace” but I can open-mindedly see when someone does something positive.
It’s curious that you’re unable to see any positive in Greenpeace’s actions in Japan.
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Correction: Greenpeace not Greenpace. “e” gets stuck
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How did you do that? You just replied your own post, to which I can’t reply
it doesn’t even give me the option to nest a deeper level, but you could do it? interesting.
Anyway, don’t get me wrong, I’m not against greenpeace’s actions regarding japan, I’m only against THE greenpeace and don’t really value them, at all. If they get some good done, that’s great, but I still nevertheless despise their actions and attitudes as an organization and wouldn’t have anything to do with their religion.
“I don’t think it was “PR” to go to Japan immediately after 3 nuclear meltdowns, put on a Tyvek suit and mask, and put your life and health in danger to monitor radiation. ”
But that’s exactly what it was. The readings were also quite useless, expect for the shock value of “ooh look, it went off the chart! but nevermind that we’re only looking at the CPP values, not the actual quality of the radiation!” But hey, it got attentation, and that was the whole point, as you said yourself, so mission accomplished. I’ve seen so much better and useful measurement data (methods, equipment, testing for errors etc) made by local japanese residents on the internet than what greenpeace has ever managed to get out.
Perhaps it’s just me being too cynical, but if any organization with an agenda does _anything_, I really can’t take an open-minded approach, since all I’m thinking “why are they doing/saying that”. I trust greenpeace exactly as much as your average corrupted government, that is, very little.
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Sorry, that’s not true. Greenpeace measured radiation levels from the nuclear waste transport in fall 2010 in Dannenberg (small town in northern Germany) on its way to Gorleben.
The reading they took 14 m away from the train showed 2,3 microSv/hour, that’s 480 times “background” level.
Btw, the pictures they took with the heat camera showed an overheated axis of one of the wagon’s wheels, which is good to know when you’re transporting nuclear waste cross country, I guess.
Without Greenpeace, governemnts would still be allowed to dump nuclear waste into the oceans.
Greepeace rocks.
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You like to speak a lot, GLP-Style!
The Japanese will never ever abandon Japan,
there is also no need for a Evacuation of whole Japan!
I would be more than happy when the Families with Kids leave “the dangerous Areas” (at least 250Km) but there is no absolute need to evacuate People older than 50 Years!
Japanese People can’t/ don’t want to run away,
it is the the same like you or other People!
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“You like to speak a lot, GLP-Style!”
What does “glp-style” mean? I have no idea, I’m not american or british. Also, a lot? In the history of enews I’ve done perhaps a ten postings altogether, I’m not flooding this site. Sometimes I read the comments EVEN THOUGH I made myself promise I would only read the news, not the comments. But still I can’t resist the urge sometimes..
“Japanese People can’t/ don’t want to run away,
it is the the same like you or other People!”
umm.. okay? but I don’t understand why I’m like Japanese people in your opinion. Really, please try to express yourself in a bit more detail. Honestly, I didn’t understand anything you just posted
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Ah, sorry, my Posting was not for you,
this Tree like Forums a very difficult for me!
My Posting was for Tacomagroove!
Sumimasen o Kudasai!
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Daijoubu desu yo
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Wait until Japan starts to cash in their Treasury Bond holdings. Who will want those turds? They hold hundreds of billions worth of Treasuries. I suppose they can QE them back to the Fed.
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Re the protests, have you been following any of the info indicating that these may not be true ‘spontaneous uprisings of the people’ but to some extent, perhaps a considerable extent, orchestrated and controlled?
Also – have you considered that this is a GREAT distraction from the fact that we are all being NUKED?
Occupy Wall Street Affiliated With Professional Revolutionary Organization OTPOR (CIA) (search phrase)
When these ‘spontaneous uprisings’ began to occur in several places at once, I was a bit suspicious for two reasons, one, they all sprang up at once like daisies in the spring and two, things are just not that bad yet in the USA.
I’m not saying I am right; just ‘caveat emptor.’
We are basically rubes and innocents trying to play a very sophisticated game with ‘da experts’ in using sophisticated psyops to control/dupe/deceive/manage very large numbers of people – the human herds.
A good website is the Daily Bell; good coverage of this and other issues. I suggest checking it out.
This is worth considering.
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I agree its worth considering.
However I have my doubts.
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There has always been (and will likely always be) infiltration of every effort to make changes that effectively choose people over profits. It wouldn’t surprise me to discover that there is masterful manipulation at work in protests everywhere these days. Coincidence, conspiracy, and sheer providence can be made to appear almost identical, and that confusion can be used to effectively silence dissent, or at least distract it long enough to make it obsolete.
That said, I also believe that there are a lot of thoughtful, honest, dedicated, good, generous spirits involved as well. If I could attend, I think I’d go just for those people and the causes I care about. I don’t know much about these protests, but I do think that demanding change from the status quo is a good and necessary statement right now.
Bottom line, I believe that these demonstrations, even if started by less than best intentions, have potential to become something better. I guess it’s up to us. What do we want? What’s really important to us? What are our priorities? Can we change enough/sacrifice enough ourselves, so that we’re able to become the change we want to see in the world?
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What the hell, are you seriously suggesting that global economical meltdown is a coverup scheme by Illuminatus or something like that to distract people from fukushima?
really? Wouldn’t that be a conspiracy of All Times, going back in time from 2008! That means they’ve invented the time travel, and made the banks do irresposible investments four years or even more before the whole fukushima crises! 
I’d really like to shake your hand for the most absurd string of words ever written on the entire history of the goddamn internet, my most sincere congratulations!!!!!!
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The nuclear industry is part of the corporate world-wide oligarchy, that is enabled by the media, which is also part of it.
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yes the PTB will groom news as they see fit. Even if they have to use OWS. fuku is gonna be real hard to admit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCKLqkKBRsM&feature=fvst
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Good points and I have to agree with you, but I don’t give a rat’s a** about this republic because it is so broken, dysfunctional, hegemonic, genocidal, and so unrepresentative of the average American, that it isn’t worth saving.
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OWS realities and rants welcome here
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,55.msg106.html#msg106
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The idea of the revolution is not to fix the old established politics..but to provide a new concept of governance….one that protects the rights… so given us ..by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights…and provides for truth and fair play..in our political and financial transactions.
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@anne…Are you saying I don’t know my own game plan?…lolol
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@bleep-hits-blades
“things are just not that bad yet in the USA.”
So, this probably means you have not lost your job or your house, you have not exhausted your unemployment benefits and are not having to live with a relative to survive, you don’t live next to a nuclear power plant, your constitutional rights are not being violated and so forth and so on. Life’s good, eh?
These groups just all sprang up like daisies? Maybe because people have a lot of issues in this country that are not being addressed by the PTB. Just wait a little longer, bleep. You may be able to see the point.
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These groups did not spring up like daisies…nuff said…
If Soros chipped in…trying to get the party started…so be it.
It’s time rock and roll…..
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Here, here!
TG is right,….your destiny is dying. Still want THAT DESTINY? Are you not the Captain of your ship’s destiny?
That is the $64,000 question FOR US ALL!
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Obamas approval rating going down. His radical socialist agenda will be demolished by the now silent majority. George Soros, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the freak show will do all they can to make you poor idiots think you can make a revolution. It wont be long until the tear gas comes out and your true violent mindset will do you in. Entitlement is your motivation, and blame is your war cry. I have built a succesful business on my own without anyones help, raised a son and daughter who are respectful and succesful, and have the support of a loving wife with a career of her own. Nothing puts me off more than a bunch of brainwashed Woodstock wannabes, actually thinking they deserve a payoff for their poor choices. Get a job schmucks, and try an honest days work.
Write what you want people. Wont hurt me….
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I blame the U.S. government. They deserve all the blame for income equality, outsourcing of jobs, high employment rates,
banker bailouts, TARP, failed stimulus packages, autism in America, tainted vaccines, terrorism, bioweapons, bad food, genetically modified food, dirty air and water, conflicts around the world, WARS, HAARP, and nuclear power that deforms and kills for years on end. Yes, we are ENTITLED to have a government better than these bastards in charge!
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Make that “income inequality.”
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And “high unemployment rates.” I’m in a hurry, so sorry for the typos.
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And the U.S. government de-regulated the banks and Wall Street.
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We knew what you meant. We all fat-finger and mis-state.
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@Terranigma1
Right on!
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Obama is a moderate Republican.
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He is nothing more than a continuation of W’s foreign policies. With a slight difference, a bit Nixonian, with his expansion of health care.
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Congrats! You’ve done well under the Clinton, Bush, and Obama moderate Republican pro-wealth, pro-war administrations. How do you like the fact that your food and water is being contaminated by radiation with no end in sight?
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@Brotherpete
“His radical socialist agenda…” If you think Obama’s agenda is radical socialist, you must be positioned somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun.
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The positive in all of this back-and-forth is that it shows that members of all political parties are concerned about the nuclear issue.
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Ah, Bropete…..
I don’t wish it on you, but if it happens and your family suffers a protracted, catastrophic illness your self righteous tone will change. I don’t care how much you think you got your shit together, we are all one or two bad decisions and a little shitty luck from living under a bridge. Even you, my FOXed up fellow American (just guessing you’re American by your arrogant rant about hooking all your shit up all by yourself!) Didn’t borrow $ from Dad? rich Auntie? some gov program help you just a bit?
2 “respectful, successful” kids? I have 5 kids that all think for themselves and have the gift of empathy, a human emotion you seem to lack.
Nothing puts me off more than a brainwashed far right dickhead that is so delusional, he thinks he pulled himself up ALL BY HIS LONESOME.
I call bullshit on your bogus “success story”. You probably cheat on your taxes, played “hardball” in your business dealings (fucked everybody to get what you value so highly, $$$$$) and then have the hubris to denounce people that just want a fair shake.
In summary, you are the problem…..and vastly outnumbered. The People are waking up!
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I’d like to comment on the frustration, anger, and disrespect many of our posters have directed towards the Japanese for not evacuating their radiation contaminated country. Before anyone else continues this type of thinking, I would ask they consider these two bits of info: 1. The Japanese people hold a spiritual reverence toward it’s ancient history and ancestors that many, at least in the U.S., have no understanding or appreciation of. 2. Like Taco mentioned only a few hours ago when discussing the worldwide spread of the contamination, ” only time separates us from our destinies”. Are those insisting on evacuation really asking the Japanese to abandon their country, livelihood, beliefs, pride to go to a somewhat less contaminated place to live an extra tormented few months. I support anyone’s decision to evacuate but I would find anyone’s decision to stay admirable. One thing for sure – It’s not our call!
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And just remember, not everyone has the means to move elsewhere.
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Buffalojam just sprayed written Soma all over my will to pack up and leave the West Coast.
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Occiferdave,
Please leave the West Coast. I will feel really bad when the West Coast posters on enenews get sick. While I care a lot about Japanese people,most of them are not posting on enenews. I have not seen posts from some people in Vancouver last few weeks. I know I will survive for more than 15 years from now in Toronto (even though it is bad here also) – there is a high probability you and your family will live for a long time if you move from the West Coast.
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Well, I doubt anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere is going to escape the wrath of MOX over the next year and beyond. Migrating to Chile or Australia might be better longterm. If I hit the Powerball tonight or Megamillions Tuesday my next post will be from my new horse ranch in Australia. *;-)
Still….the atmosphere will bleed over into the Southern Hemisphere eventually and the ocean currents will carry radiation also. But it still looks like the Southern Hemisphere is going to be better off longterm…not too many plants down under also:
World map of nuclear plants:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WKtBxOT6JgM/TarmgVwu4DI/AAAAAAAAANg/AdR3axApkIE/s1600/world_map.png
Yes…it’s looking more and more like On the Beach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uBJAlASdq9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzsZTEEkrm0&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1iAABDPt3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc7y8xs6QXw&feature=player_detailpage
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Excellent-time the destroyer! How aptly it captures the nadir of modern civilization. So many vintage nuclear designs are merrily operating with the operators not caring a damn about the dynamics in a very dynamic modern civilization with it’s positive feedbacks creating every now and then man-made natural disasters. Right now inside the nuclear systems we just do not know where we stand! Perhaps the best article is by Dr. Richard E Webb on the consequences of catastrophic nuclear accidents. But we must learn from the Germans who were the first with significant nuclear capacity to have the immense sagacity to call it a day. But that is just not enough. Can any of you tell me whether right now we are not in for a set of nuclear meltdowns to cause extinction? We must have the clear openess to say such a catastrophe is just round the corner. See http://justiceinorout.blogspot.com
Mahatma Gandhi who claimed that the Bhagavadgita is his mother aptly described the dynamics of modern civilization when he said in 1908, given enough time modern civilization will destroy itself. And we are seeing that happen before our very eyes. Still the government of and a lot of people want to go ahead with a nuclear program including the British who have still not understood Gandhi. You can never unravel the interconnections of nature with the creations of modern civilization which will result in extinction,because the highly probable meltdowns states are just infinite in number! The fast that is taking place in Tamilnadu in front of KUDANKULAM nuclear plant is the very embodiment of realization of the infallibility requirements of nukes that just cannot be seen to have been met . We cannot play the divinely perfect automata. I sincerely hope the efforts of the people whose electrical power capacity far exceeds anything that can be truly given by modern civilization in a form which can be returned safely and which is zero cost bear permanent fruit( http://modernandnormal.blogspot.com…
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Gandhi’s seven social sins:
Politics without Principle
Wealth Without Work
Pleasure Without Conscience
Knowledge without Character
Commerce without Morality
Science without Humanity
Worship without Sacrifice
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First Officer’s log, stardate 44307.6. Radiation levels on the Enterprise continue to rise. The ventilation system has started pumping hyronalin into our air supply to counteract the effects.
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Spogh, could you beam a couple of cannisters of hyronalin down to my location please? Not exactly sure what it is, but I’m willing to try anything at this stage.
\\\V//
Live long and prosper.
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Pentagon resources and U.S. troops may be used if needed to quell protests and bank runs during an economic crisis, the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute reported.
“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” the War College study states. Incidents of economic collapse, terrorism and disruption of legal order could require deployment of forces within the U.S., it said.
A “strategic shock” could require the nation to use “military force against hostile groups inside the United States.”
International Monetary Fund Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn has warned that advanced nations could face civil unrest during distressful economic times
“[S]ocial unrest may happen in many countries – including advanced economies” if the economic crises are not properly dealt with, Strauss-Kahn said.
The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217.html
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@Matina
“Pentagon resources and U.S. troops may be used if needed to quell protests and bank runs during an economic crisis, the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute reported.”
If that happens, it would be the trigger for a real revolution. We are patient and non-violent, but they need to remember people have limits and you just don’t want to go there. We have the right to speak up. We also have the right to remove our money from any bank whenever we wish. They will need to come up with far better reasons than those to put U.S. troops in the streets.
We didn’t create this economic crisis–the warmongers created it against our wishes for the benefit of the military-industrial-intelligence complex. Those who benefited should be the ones to pay back the deficit.
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I am planning on closing my BofA account next week…I’ve been meaning to do it for a while. Please, if everyone here could close any major bank accounts and move to a credit union, it would do a lot of good. These big bankers don’t need our money!
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hey matina, can you check that washington post link? The rutting chimpanzee’s name is not mentioned there at all!!
(“Rutting chimpanzee” was an analogy used by a French female journalist who accused DSK of pouncing on her in a sexual assault, but the accusation was only made after the maid-in-the-NY-hotel incident)
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hi voltcommissar
the link is ment only for the paragraph above it
sorry, my mistake (was to lazy to put all other links in)
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@voltcommisar
got the link for you
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=83977
Posted on 18th of December, A MAST SEE Gerald Celente Predicting Revolution
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This was a good article, but not at all new…it was dated 2008. I believe this kind of stuff will happen in the near future, but the article is a little outdated.
I think Fukushima has done a lot under the surface to speed up this process…as it plays out it will cause a lot of instability.
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who is not planning?
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@matina
Inch by inch, day by day, the police state grows.
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Yada, Yada, Yada. Just what I expected.
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Same old tired rhetoric…
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I find it funny (not), that those with Christian monikers,….are the first to shout,….”Kill him”! Oh,..I’m sorry,..to yell, “get up you lazy, skinned and tossed upon peon”!
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@ NoPrevarication
Atilla the Hun it is… Played by John Cleese of course.
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StiiJill,
The moniker was for my sister and not what you think. There you go again with the prejudice. Keep trying folks!
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So you’re not a Christian? Whewwwwww,…that’s a RELIEF!
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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StillJill, No problem sweetie.
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http://virga.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_loop.gif
The Jet stream is sweeping the whole United States lately.
God bless those children in Japan.
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I am noticing higher readings from my geiger counter lately…despite its glitches, I believe it is still accurate, because it seems to be running the way it was originally now. I want to perfect my test of measuring my breath, using a thicker plastic bag, etc. I hope what I have gotten so far is not accurate. Who knows, it was just a whim…
Anyway, hope to survive Fukushima, but the news just gets worse and worse. I’m not surprised really, just don’t know how to best protect myself and my family. But it seems like other places in the US are getting it even worse, from Fuku or somewhere else, so relocating doesn’t seem to be the best solution.
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High background radiation (0.42uSv) measured inside my old residence this evening.
Sorry, I probably should be posting on the radiation forum, just too much going on to keep up with the protocol…
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In your room??? That’s high.
Are you in bay area?
It will be worse in winter because of rain and jet stream moving south from WA.
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