“It’s Madness”: Doctors in Japan helping perpetuate Fukushima cover-up — Patients not being told their illnesses are from exposure to radioactive contamination — Scientific reports showing radiation health damage to humans are forbidden to be published (AUDIO)

Published: October 14th, 2013 at 8:21 pm ET
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Title: Arnie Gundersen Interview
Source: WBKM
Date: Oct. 2013

At 3:30 in

Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Chief Engineer: We’re seeing scientist after scientist here at Fairewinds writing to us saying that they’ve got good science and they’re being ostracized in Japan and being forbidden for publishing scientific reports that show radiation health damage to Japanese people. So basically the government is sitting on the scientific community and preventing goods science from being done. Same as the doctors, the doctors have contacted us as well. They say they’ve been told not to tell their patients that their illness is radiation induced. So these guys have an oath as a doctor to be honest with their patients, and yet they’re basically ignoring their own oath and helping perpetuate a cover-up in the Japanese government. […]

Host: From where I sit, what you just described is madness essentially.

Gundersen: From where I sit it’s madness too. That’s the problem in Japan right now, is that nobody is willing to admit that the path they have chosen to take for the last two and a half years is crazy.

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Published: October 14th, 2013 at 8:21 pm ET
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53 comments to “It’s Madness”: Doctors in Japan helping perpetuate Fukushima cover-up — Patients not being told their illnesses are from exposure to radioactive contamination — Scientific reports showing radiation health damage to humans are forbidden to be published (AUDIO)

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    I don't see the U.S. as being any different, regarding this nuclear disaster.

  • MichaelV MichaelV

    That’s the problem in Japan right now, is that nobody is willing to admit that the path they have chosen to take for the last two and a half years is crazy.

    Japan: The island asylum; where you can simultaneosly swim with and eat dolphin's steak.

    I suppose it's like roping steer at McPlayplace…
    … that just might work, in Texas™…!

    • timemachine2020 timemachine2020

      Michaelv – What exactly do you mean MIGHT work in Texas? Why you gotta go and insult Texans in your snide comments? There are plenty of good Texans on this site that have been around way before your smart a.. showed up. The next time you feel like insulting peoples home, take a long look at your own…punk.

      • MichaelV MichaelV

        The punch line is about Mac D's, burgers, beef, mechanical bulls…forget it.

        I got an ex in Crockett TX…for a minute there I thought you were…

        …anyway she thought my place was a dump too; it is, but you Texas folks are toooo sensitive…..

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          It does have insulting overtones. Think about it.

          • We Not They Finally

            I'm sorry. I've seen what's come out of Texas the last decade or so, and I'd like to say "fine," but I can't. I applaud EXCEPTIONS, however. In no way should everyone be painted with the same brush.

            • MichaelV MichaelV

              Texas Governor Rick Perry his visit California twice in the last 12 months in couraging businesses to leave California and go to Texas where the business climate is better…

              …is there a correlation between non regulated industries and environmental damage…?

              …let's see; tep.gov, BP, Love canal, Lake Erie…

              GL premiums in California are expensive… add workers comp and watch your margin narrow.

              • MichaelV MichaelV

                http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/18123/

                Radio listeners across the Golden State are hearing a new pitch this week – Texas Gov. Rick Perry inviting California companies to check out the low taxes, predictable regulations, fair legal system and skilled workforce that have made Texas the best state in the nation to live, work and raise a family.

                • MichaelV MichaelV

                  .

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                  To hear the ad, please visit http://www.texaswideopenforbusiness.com/ca.php. Full text is below:

                  "Building a business is tough, but I hear building a business in California is next to impossible. This is Texas Gov. Rick Perry, and I have a message for California businesses: come check out Texas. There are plenty of reasons Texas has been named the best state for doing business for eight years running. Visit texaswideopenforbusiness.com, and see why our low taxes, sensible regulations and fair legal system are just the thing to get your business moving to Texas."

                  • MichaelV MichaelV

                    Due to the government shutdown I've had this extra time to visit ENENews; construction project is at a standstill, workers and machinery idle.

                    I abandoned the fuku threads in 2011 after being continuously hammered by industry shills. At that time Tepco was using 'jumpers', and robots…

                    • MichaelV MichaelV

                      Now I turn to msnbc to see if the government is still in business…

                      …keep pushing for more fuku-awareness..!

              • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

                .. 🙂

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          • bo bo

            lol Well I guess then timemachine got a little dose of what it often feels like reading some of the posts on this site haha

            • bo bo

              In no way people should be painted with the same brush… couldn't agree more

            • bo bo

              That is, what it feels like to be Japanese and reading some of the statements being thrown around on this site. Btw, I know most people on this site have self awareness, and will most likely be equally self deprecating about their own country/culture/race as well, so it never really bothers me. It's funny to see though, every now and then it turns out that some of them actually get bent out of shape with even a little banter when it regards where THEY come from…

      • MichaelV MichaelV

        The punch line is about Mac D's, burgers, beef, mechanical bulls…forget it.

        I got an ex in Crockett TX…for a minute there I thought you were…

        …anyway she thought my place was a dump too; it is, but you Texas folks are toooo sensitive…

        By the way admin..is PUNK an insult?
        Or
        Is
        It
        Name calling…?

      • MichaelV MichaelV

        It was a toss up between Texas and Wyoming… two syllables fit the phrase so I went with Texas…

        Did you know that the Scottish clan culture of Appalachia (feuds) cause southerners to more readily perceive verbal insults?

  • weeman

    There is other ways to circumnavigate repression of information, a/ doctors one on one with patient, b/scientists can email their data to other colleagues in other countries, newspapers, medical journals, Internet, etc, don't forget it is your sworn duty to uphold the charters of your profession?
    These doctors and scientists in Japan may be doing nothing for the population, but you can bet they are taking precautions for own family, they have the money, should do a survey, if they are gone I would be gone.
    If the information is so critical you will find a way to release to public domain.

    • J.

      I strongly agree with this observation. There are various way for doctors to disseminate the facts.

      • We Not They Finally

        Well, if there is no way to safely whistle-blow in their own country without their own livelihood going down the tubes… It would be good to listen to those who have to function within that repressive system first. And what the bravest amongst them have been able to do. Or not. They're dealing with heartbreak either way. They need to organize, have strategies. But in that kind of a terrifying overall situation, it has to be daunting. I wish at least the doctors who have gotten to Arnie great success.

  • Jebus Jebus

    Arnie is right.
    Holler.
    I said it long ago, one voice.
    Writing your congressman is but a part.
    Keep speaking, even when others do not want to hear it.
    Turn to your brother, your mother, your significant other.
    Turn to the light bulb in the celing, and say it.
    Tell them about Fukushima. Twitter it.
    Teach your children. Teach yourself.
    Be truthful and be real.
    It's the only way it will change…

  • Truth is a powerful sword. Use it wisely.

    Class dismissed.

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    I support 100% of every prior post, including Arnie’s assessment.

    Words and their meaning are the building blocks of history, politics, and science. Those who control the meaning of the words, control discourse pertaining to all aspects of human existence.

    The more voices and advocates participating in the dissemination of the truth about this destructive technology, the need for complete cessation of terrestrial DNA mutating fission, and the urgency for immediate remediation of the Fukushima disaster, the more likely the mainstream discourse will deviate from its current path and incorporate the truth.

    Without science the understanding of universal physical and spacial principals would not be possible, but it is in the context of the human experience, emotion and relationship of citizens with government that the science has meaning for the majority of humans not completely immersed in physics.

    Crazy is a great word, probably describing most of us at some time, on some days, or maybe always: insane, out of one's mind, deranged, demented, not in one's right mind, crazed, lunatic, non compos mentis, unhinged, mad as a hatter, mad as a March hare, etc (FOD).
    (con't)

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    I think you would agree that you do not want persons of any of these descriptions “…deranged…lunatic …mad as a hatter…mad as a March hare…” controlling the power of nuclear fission or co-conspiring with government and the nuclear industry enabling the worst outcome at the most awful nuclear and industrial accident in the history of the planet.

    Communicate and advocate intelligently with everyone and all economic entities which can make a difference, including those who you don’t think can. The outcome hinges on the use and meaning of words, based upon a reasonable person’s interpretation of the science, not on the rationale embedded in the message of the linguistic spin doctors of fission utopia.

    Peace.

  • Socrates

    Dangers of asbestos was minimized by the Japanese government because it was a "conspiracy by plaintiffs lawyers" in the US. Asbestos was being used in Japan until 1990.

    This cover up by TEPCO and the Japanese government to keep the stock price of TEPCO up.

    Doctors are being forced to mislead their patients.

    The IAEA sees TEPCO's efforts as being cosmetic.

    Every few weeks, there are spikes.

    The first major wave of cancer in Japan has hit as mortality rates go up.

    Fertility rates are down.

    Reality has set in. There is nothing the IAEA can do either.

    Worse than Godzilla!

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Lastly, off topic, thank you ENE Admin for your continued maintenance and stewardship of this site. There is a valuable treasure trove of information dating back for several years available to all those wanting to expand their knowledge and understanding.

    I have listened to many of the full videos and transcripts posted and can appreciate the amount of screening and analysis required to come up with the summary sound bites or written descriptions.

    Many newcomers may not know that this site is sustained primarily by donations.

    All viewing this site should appreciate your level of commitment and donate what they can to help keep the operation viable.

    Again, thank you.

  • rockyourworld

    the cover up is to protect the 1% who have their junk they sell us made in japan.

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Who is responsible for the cover-up?

    May 22, 2012 should be recognized as a day in transitional infamy. It is the day Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) announced that the central Japanese government secured the right to 76% of voting rights in the utility company that was responsible for the nuclear crisis/lack of crisis management at Fukushima since 3/11/2011. Since, if not before, May 22. 2012, Tepco has been controlled by the Japanese Government.

    This comes after the Japanese government 1 trillion yen (approx. $12.5 billion) bailout earlier in May 2012 through public funds (not including the fully loaded cost of debt obligations).

    “With TEPCO serving as Japan’s single largest utility company, its collapse would have been a worse alternative… With TEPCO giving 1 trillion yen worth of preferred shared to the government, it was originally stated that the state would have just over 50% of voting rights. It seems that the government will be exercising its options in the deal to increase its ownership to 75.84%, with the purchase scheduled to be completed by July 25th. Last week TEPCO’s fiscal 2011 yearly losses were posted at an incredible 781 billion yen ($9.84 billion). The government’s control of the company has resulted in widespread restructuring, not just in financial areas but also the replacement of upper management held responsible for mishandling the March 2011 meltdown at Fukushima (JDP, 05/22/2012).

    • Ana Ana

      @ Wayakin

      Do you have a link for the ownership of TEPCO? I am trying to write some serious info on the economic side of this disaster by tracking who makes money off it or makes money by avoiding the cost of the cleanup. Thanks, Ana

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    After this May 22 date, the name “TEPCO” should be replaced by “the Japanese Government” as the entity fully owning the response to the Fukushima disaster.

    When this transition occurred, the title of ownership for the Fukushima mess transferred to the Japanese Government and, literally the legal matter has been instantaneously inherited by the international legal domain of all foreign relations departments in the world, including the US Department of State. What has been the response?

    If your personal answer to this is my government has done nothing, think about what you can do to engage your representative in discussion and peacefully force the engagement.

    Peace.

  • We Not They Finally

    This is hardly just "madness" or crazy." It's criminal genocide.

    It has to be agonizing for some of these doctors, whom one would assume are not all monsters. If they cannot work at all, then they can help NO ONE. God knows what risks the few doctors who have gotten to Gundersen have had to take, and kudos to them.

    But Japan itself is becoming the scourge of the world. Like Nazi Germany Plus One. They want to "save face"? They have dipped their own face into lye. It's a disfigured non-human monster.

  • unincredulous unincredulous

    The most communist country in the world has no freedom of speech. We conquered Japan in WW2. Have we had no influence? I say we retroactively fire all diplomats and emissaries to Japan and all presidents since 1944. I mean take away their pensions, bring them home. We have done Japan absolutely no good whatsoever.

  • Bleifrei Bleifrei

    i saw in the Contryinfo (form GER) over Jp.

    they lose over 2oooooo People in the last 3 years
    in front of 311 only lose 250000/ Y

    so some are gone ..
    and some are R.I.P.

    maybe necessary to look from this side to get some answer

    the Fakts over birth maybe helpfull to ..
    it goes down to ……….
    it will go on in big steps…………i think

  • Socrates

    On 3-11-11, it was obvious that melts could happen.

    Some people would have acute radiation exposures, mainly workers at the NNPs.

    I expected epimemiological information by this time. The cover up continues, however.

    What "causes" what is often something that is expressed as being "more likely than not."

    Causality often cannot be proved 100%.

    A conspiracy of silence is typical among physicians where their collegues might be sued. The plaintiff must prove deviation from the standard of case, causation, and damages…

    Decades ago, Japanese physicians did tell patients that they had cancer in many instances. That was allegedly for the patient's "own good."

    The cultural and economic response to 3-11 has been to cover up the fact that there is no solution, just mitigation.

    What good does a treating physician's guess at what caused your cancer going to do? That is the wrong-headed analysis.

    • Socrates

      Epidemiological – sorry for typo.

      We do not know individual doses. The responses will be evident in future years. We will see increased mortality and morbidity.

      The latency is years but it will eventually manifest. Our healthcare system is similar. Will your doctor volunteer that your cancer is from Fukushima or SONGS?

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    Ana-
    Although I cited the JDP previously because they provided a succinct restatement of the facts, all the information is in Tepco’s 2012 financial disclosures.

    I’m actually surprised more people do not avail themselves of this valuable information. The financial statements have always been where the analysis begins for what counts in large corporations: debt underwriting.

    The statements are not merely financial; they provide insight into what the company perceives as its challenges, strategies, goals, as well as describing planned restructuring. The following reference pertains to both financial items previously discussed.

    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/corpinfo/ir/tool/annual/pdf/ar2012-e.pdf

    Page 5, section 5:
    “(5) Strengthening our Financial Standing
    1) Requests to Financial Institutions: Lenders to maintain TEPCO’s credit line via refinancing etc. and provide additional credit up to approx. 1 trillion yen including the financing in the recovery plan.
    2) NDF’s Capital Injection: Upon 1 trillion yen capital injection, NDF will acquire a majority stake of TEPCO voting rights (temporary government control). Furthermore, NDF will potentially have over a 2/3’s stake via their additional holdings in “Convertible class shares without Voting Rights.”
    (cont)

  • Wyakin Wyakin

    3) Requests to our Shareholders: Support the bill to receive NDF’s capital injection, agree on no dividends for the time being…”

    Good luck in your research paper. I’m not sure this information will support your topic, but I hope this helps and I’m sure that all readers here at ENE will be looking for additional information you are able to glean from the available financial sources.

    Peace.