Magazine Editor’s Final Words: Fukushima exponentially more dire than Chernobyl — Deteriorating plant threatens mass extinction around world — It’s made a deep impression on me recently — You have an obligation to be aware of conditions there (AUDIO)

Published: December 12th, 2014 at 10:17 am ET


Guy Crittenden, editor of HazMat Management magazine and Solid Waste & Recycling magazine (Part of the EcoLog Environmental Resources Group, “Canada’s leading publisher of print and electronic environmental, occupational health and safety, workers’ compensation news, legislation and compliance solutions – Subscribers include environmental health and safety managers, engineers, executives and lawyers in all industry sectors and government”), Dec 11, 2014 (emphasis added):

  • [After a quarter-century, this is] my last article written as Editor of HazMat Management magazine [and] Solid Waste & Recycling magazine
  • Instead of a long article about what transpired in 2014 and what may be ahead, I’m going to offer readers three items… that have made a deep impression on me recently; these are “must watch” items for anyone interested in helping our species avoid peril from environmental degradation
  • The deteriorating status of things at the destroyed nuclear plant at Fukushima, Japan… you have an obligation, really, to be aware of conditions there
  • [There is a] very real and present threat from the… highly radioactive… destroyed cores of the reactors, as well as things like the storage of contaminated water in hastily-built, rusting containers
  • This is serious stuff… an actual meltdown of the reactors — real China Syndrome stuff — as had been assumed would never likely happen in a modern reactor
  • The situation is exponentially more dire than Chernobyl
  • [Workers must] remove the rods for safe containment without having them contact one another and trigger a fire, the consequences of which would be unimaginable — We’re talking mass extinction around the world, especially in the northern hemisphere
  • Most people have forgotten the situation and think of it only as a local Japanese problem
  • It’s only a matter of time before another earthquake or tidal wave triggers such an event

Kevin Kamps, nuclear waste watchdog for Beyond Nuclear, Nuclear Hotseat, Dec 9, 2014 (at 37:00 in):  “If the meltdown is bad enough, that’s going to burn its way right through the foundations of the containmentlike we’ve seen at Fukushima Daiichi.”

Stream the full interview here

Published: December 12th, 2014 at 10:17 am ET


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780 comments to Magazine Editor’s Final Words: Fukushima exponentially more dire than Chernobyl — Deteriorating plant threatens mass extinction around world — It’s made a deep impression on me recently — You have an obligation to be aware of conditions there (AUDIO)

  • Nick

    "NRA chief: Cementing tunnels will stop inflow
    …Tanaka said the tunnels have been his biggest concern, but the ongoing work seems to be successful.

    He said people need to understand that contaminated water cannot be stored at the plant forever, and that it should be treated and disposed of.."

    By disposed of he means dumped!

    This effort by TEPCon is just the latest in a string of charades that do nothing to actually REDUCE the horror of The Fukushima Fiasco.

    The nuclear fuel is still radiating VAST amounts of rads into our precious biosphere.

    Fukushima is forever.

    • OldFool

      The politically expedient decision to leave TEPCO in charge of the site (to be the scapegoat for blame) was truly the greatest fatal mistake in history. Perhaps within 50-100 years the radiation will decay enough that they will be able to dig out some of the cores (part of the cores are actually probably not so deep below the water table, since there have been some indications that tidal action affects the radiation release). However, since the cost will be so astronomical and hurt corporate profits, it remains to be seen if TEPCO will actually spend Huge money to dig out the cores – this appears to be unlikely.

      • OldFool, you understand the solubility, I have used your numbers…..all the strontium could dissolve in a LARGE swimming pool….

        admitted…maybe the large mass will prevent water from coming in contact with ALL the strontium….but with a large river running through the site….why not expect all of it to dissolve?

        stock out

        • OldFool

          The actual shapes of the cores are unknown. Part of them have probably spread out in separate limbs (like Chernobyl's elephant's foot), but possibly a significant fraction of the total inventory (e.g., Sr-90 and Cs-137, etc.) are still contained within three ellipsoidal masses and not yet in contact with water. The ellipsoidal masses are still worth digging out to recapture part of the inventory before it leaches out in the water. But it must be done as soon as possible – regardless of cost impacts on corporate profits. It will be a race waiting for radiation onsite to drop enough to do this before the entire inventory leaches out.
          The only reasonably realistic simulation (available to us) was the 1997 German Karlsruhe simulation – which predicted Sr-90 leach out for ~150 years from an ellipsoidal core mass. This paper is the best guide publicly available now, even though it differs from the current mess in five major aspects (1) it was for only one core meltdown, (2) it implicitly assumed all fission production of radionuclides stopped immediately at meltdown, (3) it assumed the core stayed in one mass (unlikely), (4) it assumed a meltdown far from an inland river (not a ocean tide affected coast), and (5) it did not consider bio-concentration of water concentrations by living organisms. At least for differences (1) and (2), the leach out might be somewhat higher and longer lasting in the current mess than predicted in 1997.

    • Jebus Jebus


      Exploitation. 37%

      Habitat degradiation and change. 31%

      Habitat loss. 13%

      Can we afford to ignore Fukushima?!/menu/main/topColumns/topLeftColumn/pdf/516158a.pdf

      For viability, Mother Nature replaces what she discards in an unbroken chain. She always leans to center.

      Humans will learn this lesson the hard way…

    • Jebus Jebus

      This is what some of the world saw today on TV…

      Fukushima Fear Three Years After the Tsunami Over Radiation Leak

      Published on Dec 12, 2014

      ABC News goes inside Fukushima plant to investigate and find out how safe we are.

      Obviously counter propaganda. Nothing new. Nothing cited. Rinse, repeat.

      No real evidence presented. Same "volunteer" liability countering, single source, lack of effort, sudo testing.

      No mention of any other essential life form, except the self interested assurances of fools.

      Sad days ahead…

      • Jebus Jebus

        Ahh, I see my mistake, but my critique still stands…

        • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

          We humans have created a horrid situation here on Earth, but as long as these humans can go shopping and stare at the stupid tube 24/7 all is well.. 🙁

          • 4Yahshua

            12~16~5996 (out of 6000) in this "Twilight Zone Apocalypse"1
            Last Evil Days of "Manmean"! Yes, Yahshua the Messiah Returns VERY SOON! HalleluYah! Hebrew: "Praise ye Yah!"

            Obe, you or I did NOT create this! The MSM will continue to LIE to us about Fukushima as they have about everything else. In case you do not know, the Messiah Yahshua (NOT named Jesus Christ) was born in October, 15 B.C and died on Passover, 17 or 18 A.D. He was NOT born on December 25.

  • own_quality

    Tellin' it like it is. The real life nightmare that everybody needs to have. Right now 99% of the US population doesn't have a single clue. Most have never even heard of Fukushima. Often I wish that I didn't know what I know. Makes it hard to enjoy life, especially with two young very smart children.

  • Bravo to all those now standing up to speak out


      exactly, Obvious. Given his wide industry background dealing with environmental pollution / remediation issues, Crittenden's parting words merit serious consideration. Unlike so many creeps that're forever reassuring the public that academic credentials trump experience, Critteden is a "boots on the ground" kinda guy. If he's summing-up his decades in publishing with a succint warning that Fukushima's the ultimate environmental endgame and that it takes precedence over all-other environmental nightmares (which I agree is indisputable), you know we're screwed.

      Stay in the light 'newsers!!!

      P.S. posted from my mobile TAB4…yeessshhhh…

      • "Crittenden's parting words merit serious consideration"

        !!! Indeed.

      • nedlifromvermont

        One needs to wonder at why and point out that it takes the final edition of an editor's tenure, when the command from GE on High to "Fire that man" has no more weight, for the man (any man it seems) to speak out about the evils of the nuclear fraud … to stand up to the fascist business empire which is modern, Big Nuke …

        They have bought and sold our future … literally …

        At least we get to scorn them … and mockingly, question their intelligence, their morality, their empathy …

        The pathetic nuclear "Hunger" artist … on full display in the cage of his own web of lies …

        Nuke Be Gone!!!

        peace 'newsers … mock on …

  • Nick

    …"The longest living nuclides in nuclear waste are the ones that can be used as fuel: plutonium and the minor actinides. If these materials are burnt in fuel through recycling, nuclear waste would only remain radioactive for a few hundred years, as opposed to a few hundred thousand. This significantly reduces concerns with long-term storage…."

    But we don't HAVE a few hundred years.

    Get it through your skulls…….VAST amounts of TATAL stuff has escaped containment planetwide.

    Every waking moment. Every "sleeping" moment. 24/7/365 decaying atomic energies are blasting your brain and body. NONE of which is okay.

    Sure, natural sources of gamma/beta/alpha nuke us daily, but the sh*t from
    awol reactor cores and fool's pools will (if they have not already) doom us all.

    This is not fear mongering. Simply the truth.

    Humans went down a rabbit hole from which there is no safe return. Not now. Not ever.

    The very brain waves you hold dear are fragmented and zapped by the
    unquenchable nuclear fires.

  • Nick

    Even our politics are poisoned by Fukushima's toxic leagacy….

    "Government Stays Open As Congress Advances Poison-Pill Spending Bill"

    I know the poison is not exactly nuclear..but see the results of TATAL (toxic at the atomic level) creating GMI (global mass insanity)?

    But it is so clear that our government is one for the rich and nothing but the rich so help us all!

    Bombs R Us!

  • Nick

    "Containment. Highly radioactive materials are confined and kept out of the workplace and environment. Nuclear reactors operate within closed systems with multiple barriers which keep the radioactive materials contained."

    So…what happens when the stuff goes awol?

    Divest all nuclear stocks now!

    • Homolumina Homolumina

      Besides, this is another blatant lie… no reactor ever has contained its deadly poison. They puff it out, leak it out and seep it out…

      • Cisco Cisco

        Dead on Homolumina! "They puff it out, leak it out and seep it out…" All perfectly legal and permissible under NRC rules. Radioactive air and water discharges are SOP. The NP's were built, and are still being built, with radioactive air and water discharges as part of the design/engineering criteria.

        We/they are all in peril. Let's see their bravado when they figure out…this is their end.

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Case in point, Homolumina and Cisco, the Nebraska nuclear plant that had issues (dropped fuel rod or bundle during refueling) made the NETC monitor in the area show sky high rad levels. It was high for almost two weeks. I just couldn't figure out why until I read about the refueling accident in Nebraska at the Enformable site.

          High emissions are commonplace during the refueling cycle. Something we're conveniently not informed about, as citizens.

          • Homolumina Homolumina

            But now we rare getting more and more organized and educated, darn, armed with Brains, Enenews, Geigers, Scintillators and the Internet we detect their rotten practices. That is something I tell everybody – get a Geiger, start measuring ! It is empowering and eye opening, and all the questions that arise from the numbers we detect get one to the truth ! Hm, imagine, as once there had to be a TV in each living room, now it has to be a Geiger. The best convincing argument is first personal direct experience… and the nuke puke is not short in giving us success – clickclickclickcllllliiiiiiicccckkkktrrrrrrrr… especially on the plane – the rusty rattling sound is terrifying….

            • ISeePinkClouds

              Yes. Homolumina. TY. I think you are exactly right. The Department of Energy can tell all the lies to the public it wants to. I know nothing comes from the DOE but lies. My little Geiger Counter tells me so.
              Having a Geiger Counter, and not having a Geiger Counter, in this day and age, is a matter of Life or Death. That is true for me, and is probably true for everyone. IMHO Newsers should procure a Geiger Counter while they are still available. The kits, assembled or unassembled, are a terrific value. Such is the world we live in; or, at least, are trying to… Peace

              • Homolumina Homolumina

                Thank you ISeePinkClouds ! That was something I wanted to ask for too – which ones would the experts recommend here ? It should be easy to handle and the numbers easy to read, they should also be able to be connected online to submit data to the web… I am not so happy with mine, a RDX-2… what is a good beginner's tool ?

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              The difference between the TV and Geiger counters, Homolumina, is TV provides a passive experience of reality. Using a Geiger Counter is part of choosing to be engaged and influencing one's experience of reality.

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                I hope you concur with that, Homolumina. Just an observation. Part of the collective issue of so-called modern cultures is we have allowed our reality to be spoon-fed to us, instead of going out and making our own.

              • bf9 bf9

                Which is why people "react" to the raw data with such hostility- it disturbs their own pleasant mindless reality.

                I averaged 600CPM at chest height in Phoenix the other day in the very early morning/late night walking the dog. People just can't handle that we're at 6x the previous mandatory evacuation limit on many days and will be climbing for hundreds of years at least. I've seen them shut down, angrily dismiss me, you name it.

                I almost wonder if people are so far gone in their false realities that there's no way to wake them up. Maybe when enough people healthy people finally have a heart attack, stroke, one day discover aggressive stage 4 cancer out of nowhere…

  • [Workers must] remove the rods for safe containment without having them contact one another and trigger a fire, the consequences of which would be unimaginable — We’re talking mass extinction around the world, especially in the northern hemisphere

    This lie is getting old. The Xe133 was fully admitted to as 'an entire inventory burn'. If that was the case why then this ugly lie of fuel removal. The unimaginable fire already happened.

    The sky cannot lie. I can tell by the Moon, just breathing the sky is certain doom, for all of us soon.

    UVB light scatter by atmospheric Barium:

    Detailed contents of the ingredients used to aero disperse:

    Information to share with others on handouts regarding aerosol atmospheric dispensing:

  • The Great Tribulation

    I don't believe this theory of acting dumb. Whenever I speak to people on the street or shops "they know" but choose to do nothing in fear of their oppressed freedom. Same as in 1930s Germany/Japan.

    Those whom try to save themselves shall fall and those whom show how big their brave is shall prevail. Pretty sure there's a song about that going around?

    Happy fifth world, transitioning metal worshipping monkey's.


  • 😐

    The EXPLODED Nuclear Plants that CONTINUE to MELTDOWN in Fukushima Japan are indeed a SERIOUS MATTER to every living thing.

    I am somewhat befuddled at times when I hear Nuclear Proponents use misdirection and name calling, attempts at belittling (chicken little, fear monger), in order to make themselves look like they're somehow better or smarter. Instead, especially at this point, they make themselves look like they have no compassion or not a clue as to the overall seriousness of TRIPLE ongoing MELTDOWNS with no end in sight.

    Fukushima AWARENESS IS of UTMOST CONCERN to us all! 😯

    IMO – The FULL IMPLICATIONS must be understood and discussed. The sooner the better.

    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      🙂 If "The FULL IMPLICATIONS must be understood and discussed."

      Then people working in the Nuclear Industry "will lose" massive amounts of money!

      Ergo: No one is talking…the money is more important than all biological life! 🙁

  • Nick

    For years, no make that decades, I have had people scoff at my dire predictions about our nuclear endeavors.

    Now that my predictions have come true, I get absolutely zero satisfaction in being 100% right.

    All I can do is continue to shine my own feeble light through the dark tunnel that seems to be getting longer and blacker with every tick of time.

    You would think that our vast social networking apparatus would be able to get Fukushima Fiasco to go viral.

    Every college student on the planet needs to get with it and scream for a better future.

    Heck, we organize massive protests for stuff humans have been doing to each other since we crawled out of the caves.

    Why can't we summon the outrage over Fukushima and our nuclear nightmare?

    Because…..we are conned into thinking some well meaning folks will make it all alright.

    It doesn't work that way. What hath been unleashed on the northeastern shore of Honshu can NEVER be stymied.

    Kinda sucks don't it?

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    "[There is a] very real and present threat from the… highly radioactive… destroyed cores of the reactors."
    Humanity's Epic Fail:
    Allowing TEPCO, the perp, to have ANYTHING to do with the cleanup.
    JAPAN should be named a UN client state.
    Japanese Defense Force taken over for site cleanup.
    Send in Red Adair to direct cleanup.
    Divert groundwater around FDNPP.
    No delays!
    No excuses!
    Ten thousand times the response of TEPCO and Japan.

    Where is the damn corium, eh, TEPCO? 😉

  • Nick


    Unit #3 is in you and it is in me yippee!

    Seriously, the coriums are not recoverable, they are too dispersed, dusted, etc.

    There is NO BLOB like at Chernobyl.

    Think of fungal filaments of awol reactor cores.

    How do you scrape that up?

    If you do, then what?

    No… is all meant to flow into the sea. Who cares about you, or me?

    • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

      We started out with 257 tonnes of nuclear fuel in Reactors1-3.
      We see Iodine-131 in Tokyo sewage sludge, increasing over time.
      We see clear evidence of ongoing, and increasing criticalities over time.
      How can you be thinking, Nick, that the corium is dispersed, powdery, in thin filiments?
      Far from being dispersed and dusted, I am beginning to wonder if the 3 coria have somehow consolidated themselves into one very big blob, somewhere down below the 100' deep limit of the aquifer.
      If this has happened, it is likely due to some accident of the layers in the mudrock, helping to direct molten corium into a single blob.
      Even if separated into 2 or 3 distinct blobs, we have rogue underground nuclear reactors out of control, with ever increasing levels of nuclides in the groundwater, washing into the sea.

      • bf9 bf9

        I-131 detection recently in sweage around Japan means there is a criticality somewhere. The fact that they continue to rise, supports the theory that Fuku (or elsewhere) is still undergoing a nuclear reaction.

        The question then becomes, how to you stop runaway nuclear reaction? I'm personally out of ideas.

  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

    The consequences of touching rods and fires would be unimaginable, were talking mass extinction says Crittenden. Well we have bad news then; the rods undoubtedly touched during fires that created the gas which blew the buildings to smithereens.

    This is what happens to a nuclear plant when the fuel melts and the zirconium cladding burns;

    so where were we? Oh yeah, safe storage of the fuel assemblies, take it from TEPCO, its a total success!

  • We Not They Finally

    This editor's last article after 25 years at this magazine. What are they going to do — fire him?

    Reminds me a little of Eisenhower making his famous "beware the military-industrial complex" speech just three days before the next President was sworn in. Profiles in hope-the-next-guy-is-more-courageous-than-me.

    Well, still better late than never.

  • Nick

    When I was a kid I saw the aftermath of a horrific car crash at a busy intersection. A woman who was
    waiting to cross the street was flattened by a high-speeding stolen car that jumped the curb and turned turtle right on top of her.

    The nuclear industry is sort of like that…trying to salvage their image. Sure you could say there is a human under that car. She isn't alive, nor looks human (I still have the image of a flattened bloody mess). Same with the Fukushima Fiasco….only far far worse.

    We can find the cores…… yeah right.

    Not meaning to gross out folks, just trying to peg why Fukushima is a mess beyond words.

  • We Not They Finally

    Yes there was the Kennedy Kruschev duo that eventually cost them both their lives. First they both dissapointed their countries by not blowing the other Country to kingdom come.Then there was Kennedys and kruschev working togetrher to make their sharing info on UFOs and alternative energy..Kennedy had the auducity to demand that the CIA turn over all their info to NASA.Make all this info publically known.That was the beginning of Kennedys finish.

  • weeman

    Mass extinction is a distinct possibility.
    These words are not a figment of my imagination.
    The radiological inventory on site at Fukushima alone is enough, never mind the hundreds of other sites around the world and the complacency of the industry is out of control and management can't act to rectify as several agencies have a vested intrest.

  • Do a search on youtube for

    fukushima spent fuel pool melted out

    Nothing comes up..

    AGRP was the only one with anything on it.. all videos deleted.

    Nice and clean

    Fukushima melt outs never happened.

    Evidence removed.

    If you find anything, please provide links..

    • I think arclight had a program (free download) that can completely capture the video, archive it.

      We need to do more of that.

      • Bill Duff


        According to government statements, most of the 800 workers at the plant had been withdrawn, leaving 50 or so workers in a desperate effort to keep the cores of three stricken reactors cooled with seawater pumped by firefighting equipment, while crews battled to put out the fire at the No. 4 reactor, which they claimed to have done just after noon on Tuesday. But late Tuesday, Japan’s nuclear watchdog said a pool storing spent fuel rods at that fourth reactor had overheated and reached boiling point and had become unapproachable by workers at the plant. The fire earlier Tuesday morning was sparked by a hydrogen explosion generated by rising temperatures at the fuel pool, which released radioactivity directly into the atmosphere.

        The fourth reactor had been turned off and was under refurbishment for months before the earthquake and tsunami hit the plant on Friday. But the plant contains spent fuel rods that were removed from the reactor. If these rods had run dry, theycould overheat and catch fire. That is almost as dangerous as the fuel in working reactors melting down, because the spent fuel can also spew radioactivity into the atmosphere.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          “Fukushima 50 is the pseudonym given by the media to a group of employees at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant. Following the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami, a related series of nuclear accidents resulted in a serious fire at the plant's unit 4 on 15 March 2011, these 50 employees remained on-site after 750 other workers were evacuated.[1][2]
          “After TEPCO management proposed withdrawing all its employees from the plant on 14 March,[3] additional manpower was deployed from around Japan.[4] Some workers traveled on clear roads by convoy from Tokyo.[4] When they arrived, hundreds of firemen, SDF personnel and employees of TEPCO, convened 20 km from the plant and debated how to best stabilize the plant.[4] On the night of 15 March, these workers joined the original Fukushima 50. Despite the incorrect figure of workers, the Fukushima 50 has remained the pseudonym used by media to refer to the group of workers at Fukushima reflecting the solitary nature of the role.[5]
          The number of the workers involved rose to 580 on the morning of 18 March[1] as staff from the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant and workers installing the new power line joined in. More than 1,000 workers, firefighters and soldiers were toiling at the site on 23 March.[6][7] The Fukushima 50 were drawn from Toshiba, Hitachi, Kajima, firefighters from Tokyo, Osaka,[8] Yokohama,[9] Kawasaki, Nagoya and Kyoto, TEPCO and its subsidiaries such as Kandenko,[10] TEP Industry and TEP…

      • In this case, there is nothing left to copy and archive..

    • Bill Duff

      Links to a Poorly written article, not sure if links are available to non-subscribers.

      crews battled to put out the fire at the No. 4 reactor (context-meant Unit-4), which they claimed to have done just after noon on Tuesday.

      a pool storing spent fuel rods at that fourth reactor (Unit-4) had overheated and reached boiling point and had become unapproachable by workers at the plant

      Fire and Damage at Japanese Plant Raise Risk of Nuclear Disaster, By HIROKO TABUCHI, DAVID E. SANGER and KEITH BRADSHER,

      • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

        Massive fire and high radiation at pool 4, yet 90 to 100% success rate safely moving assemblies to common pool. I call it cognitive dissonance. Huge building completely destroyed from either hydrogen or nuclear reaction of fuel. How could said fuel be in any condition to move?

        • Bill Duff

          I dont give twoshitts what you call it. It is what it is.

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            not eloquently replied Bill, but for disambiguation, spell it out; It is what it is means "nearly catastrophic, but safely dealt with in the end"? Is that why you plaster all this testimony weve heard before? Whats your POINT?

        • Johnny Blade Johnny Blade

          Hi Code!, +311 re; your post![as usual]. Speaking of fire & lethal radiation, I don't get to jump on the pc anymore these days but when I do I try to spend a few minutes catching a glimpse of the handful of camera images still viewable following whatever else I have to do online at the time. For the past 2 months or so following a few moderately strong earthquakes & brushes with passing typhoons,etc., I've noticed what appears to be a "blueish" fire,flames and/or smoke & vapor plumes coming from the R3,4 & CSFP[?] coupled with unusual activities, heavy equipment & regional traffic at odd times of the night that triggers suspicions of the possibility & likelihood that they fuku'd-up something big-time[?]! 🙁 I'm not sure what's ever "really" going on there behind the scenes, probably none of us are aside from those "in the know" probably including the sociopathic "trobots" & dedicated nuke-pukes whose timing of their appearances & intensity of their attacks/attempts to distract & derail the website & discussions aren't by coincidence[?]! I just KNOW in my heart that the only thing the nuke cartel ever has control of is the horrifying truth & current status of their biggest fukup in the history of haughty,half-assed, so-called "clean,safe,reliable & necessary" crap technology invested in so heavily by the most greedy & evil of the elite that they refuse to embrace the common-sense,sane need to eliminate nuclear instead of dying from it with the rest of us! :(…

          • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

            Hi Johnny Blade! Dire times, personally and globally! I see what appears to be atmospheric heat distortion. Workers man the cranes remotely…what does that mean? Accidents! Something like the three stooges driving cranes half blindfolded. Sometimes I think the electronics fail

            Take care, this too shall pass

    • Bill Duff

      Continued 2,

      Shigekatsu Oomukai, a spokesperson for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said the substantial capacity of the pool meant that the water in the pool was unlikely to evaporate soon. But he said workers were having difficulty reaching the pool to cool it, because of the high temperature of the water. Worryingly, temperatures appeared to be rising in the spent fuel pools at two other reactors at the plant, No. 5 and No. 6, said Yukio Edano, the chief cabinet secretary. Earlier Tuesday, the Japanese government told people living within about 20 miles of the Daiichi plant to stay indoors, keep their windows closed and stop using air conditioning.

      Radiation measurements reported on Tuesday showed a spike of radioactivity around the plant that made the leakage significantly worse than it had been, with levels measured at one point as high as 400 millisieverts an hour. Even 7 minutes of exposure at that level will reach the maximum annual dose that a worker at an American nuclear plant is allowed. And exposure for 75 minutes would likely lead to acute radiation sickness.

      The extent of the public health risk depends on how long such elevated levels persist, as well as how far and fast the radioactive materials spread, and whether the limited evacuation plan announced by the government proves sufficient.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Dr G, an interesting one from Arto Lauri. I didnt fully grasp it, but he suggests nuclear explosion in 4, super high temperatures, underground cavern a few hundred meters down, melting methane hydrate and huge electromagnetic pulse shutting down all reactors in Japan.

      • Bill Duff

        I wont visit your TUBE links, but sounds like a load of crap.

        EMP from underground, not remotely likely

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Bill, anyway, its just Arto Lauri, and in response to Dr Goodheart. But BTW, the emp suggested wasnt from underground, it was from plutonium explosions in the nuclear vessels. I cant vouch for him, but without even looking at his video, your assessment is in fact bologna. An empty, non qualified opinion piece on something you didnt even look at. How cool is that?

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          Here is a transcript for someone who is afraid of the internet:

          Interview on August 14, 2011
          “Fukushima explained by Finnish nuclear ex employee Arto Lauri (HAARP & more)” (Text of subtitles transcribed:)
          “ INTRO: This is one possible theory of what happened in Fukushima. I am not making any claims whether this theory uis true or not. Please do your own critical evaluation. Arto Lauri is a former employee at the Finnish nuclear facility of Okliluoto. He worked at the facility for some 30 years starting as a technician. During his career he achieved the highest A-classification in the facility’s leading board. According to him, he has lost tens and tens of colleagues working at the facility who all passed away due to various types of cancer. This, and the facts about nuclear power’s unsustainability led him to become an anti-nuclear activist. He started speaking against nuclear power, revealing some classified information about the risks of nuclear power in Finland. Needless to say, he was dismissed from his job. This interview was on August 14, 2011 in Okliluoto, Finland.
          “Arto Lauri, former employee at the Finnish nuclear facility of Olkiluoto, provides a very clear explanation of how the Fukushima disaster happened and what caused the various explosions. He explains how HAARP was used to try and minimize the radiation in the atmosphere and Arto provides various other very insightful information.


          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            “Credit to “OnQinitiative” for original upload.
            Thanks to R0bb1nH00d5 for some of the following good support links:
            • Methane clutter explosion Arto mentions:
            • Another interview with Arto Lauri (click CC for English sub-titles)
            • Arto Lauri’s water power plant
            • HAARP — lots of videos available, start here:
            “Interview on August 14, 2011 – Transcript below
            “Q- You have a theory of what the accident of Fukushima, please tell us.
            “Sure. In 2008 the production of uranium turned to be negative in terms of energy efficiency. In 2007 Putin announced that Russia will stop producing uranium, as it is unprofitable. At the end of 2008 Russia cut off the supply of uranium, thus 70% of the global supply was lost. Europe hadn’t prepared for this, so there was a need to fill the gap in production.
            Areva [a French public multinational industrial conglomerate headquartered in the Tour Areva in Courbevoie, Paris, mainly known for nuclear power, and other energy projects] announced that they had excess uranium from the exploded facilities of Sellafield (UK) and Superphénix (Japan). This uranium however contained 3,5% of uranium-235 and 6% of lethal plutonium.
            “Anne Lauvergeon [French CEO of Areva 2001–2011] stated that this uranium was fine and it was approved by IEA. Then a massive cargo of this plutonium was exported to Japan.
            During the first year everything was fine, until in 2010-2011 they started doing revisions to the reactors.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            “When the reactors were opened they found out that there was three times more afterheat and steam than normal.
            “It couldn’t fit in the drivers or ‘vetvel space’ where it is supposed to normally vanish. So they opened the reactors and started blowing the air to the atmosphere.
            This continued, they opened more reactors [and] started releasing the air, This caused ionization levels over Japan to skyrocket.
            “Then NATO and IEA which monitor the ionization levels were alarmed about the rising levels over Japan. First they tried to push the ionization down with chemtrails so that the nitrogensphere wouldn’t explode. It didn’t help.
            “Then they started pushing the ionization cloud down with HAARP for 2.5 days according to Russian and Chinese sources. With this 1000 megawatt device, they pushed massive amounts of energy to the atmosphere.
            “They didn’t understand that this ionization cloud acts as an iron nail grounding all the energy to the soil. This energy then reached the rock foundation, and piezoactive quartz crystals in the ground started vibrating. These vibrations caused the rock bed to become unstable. So this tectonic boundary under Japan started moving.
            “This caused the tectonic boundary to release its energy, leading to earthquake, leading to tsunami. When the tsunami came, it cut off the electricity. This prevented the afterheat from the reactors to be pumped to the sea. They had to push it straight to the ether.

            • Bill Duff

              Luddite Fanatasy boogeybears.

            • Gabe Gabe

              Great stuff. Yes, indeed, the HAARP connection.
              As well, Japan had agreed to provide plutonium to Iran……………from what I have read the HASTP activity was intended to cause the earthquake .
              It seems plausible that the information you provide would be a very good story for them to use to keep from being held criminally liable once the information was known , as it would eventually be.
              Japan was "messing around" doing things they had no business doing. BUT, Japan was in deep economic doodooo and needed huge amounts of $$$$$$$
              people and nations do extremely dangerous and ultimately STUPID things to acquire money. Other nations do equally stupid and dangerous things to PUNISH them.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            “When the hot steam was pushed upwards, it started “breathing.”It took in oxygen which led to hydrogen explosion. First the reactor 1 exploded. After a few days the reactor 3 exploded.
            “At this point, as the rock foundation was tectonically active, the energy from the explosions went to the rock bed.
            “Under Japan, about 2 kilometers deep, there is methane-gas-clutter which is methane in a form of ice. It is based on the sensitive balance of pressure. The temperature has to be about 2 degrees Celsius. The impact hit there. (Clap!) Under the reactors, the leakage of neutron had drilled deep holes or pipes into the rock foundation.
            “The methane-clutter under reactor 4 increased 168 times in volume. (This is the theory of Nils-Axel Mörner.) And it exploded in a second, coming up through the pipe with huge speed. It hit the reactor 4 which was stopped and contained no uranium, thus everyone wondered why it even exploded.
            “Pictures were never shown anywhere and the public wasn’t told about this. I’ve seen a picture where a 14 meter-thick concrete wall had exploded because of the massive impact.
            “The methane-clutter came at a cosmic speed creating a blue one kilometer high flame through the reactor.It made a lane of half a kilometer in diameter under the reactors. Fifteen minutes after the reactor 3 had exploded, the reactor 2 suffered damage exploding. The whole chain of reactions exploded like this.


          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            “Everywhere on the Earth, starting in 600 meters, there is layer of methane-clutter which is about 1 kilometer thick. Germany realized this and gave an panic-alarm to shut down the inextinguishable reactors. Nine reactors were shut down immediately. They realized that these reactors couldn’t be used in any circumstances because of the methane-clutter causing the reactors to explode.
            “In America, they have lost about 10 reactors. Also in France, they have 2 reactors releasing smoke at the moment. This is happening all over the world.
            “Q: Would you please tell us what is HAARP?:
            “HAARP is basically a microwave oven sending microwave frequencies under 3 megahertz or so. The basic principle is very simple. It is like a microwave oven with its door open. It’s a system of antennas 3×3 kilometers in size.
            “Q: Where is it being controlled from?
            “The closest one from here is in Norway under NATO control. They also have a couple in US and 2-3 in Russia.They are all over the place. The purpose of HAARP is to, for example: If we have ion-radiation cloud coming from a nuclear … [illegible where subtitles overlap] .
            “With HAARP they can heat up the upper atmosphere so that the ionization cloud is dispersed. They can also control the direction of ionization clouds if they are threatening cities.
            “They can also make artificial rain. For example, during Fukushima, there was continuous rain for 2-3 [days?] as they tried to clean the atmosphere.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            “You can also control jet streams with HAARP. The main purpose of HAARP is to manualize (manipulate) what they are doing with chemtrails.
            “Q: But in practice, what kind of device are we talking about?
            “It’s a radio transmitter. And is it somewhere up For example, in Alaska there is a huge gas field which is producing energy to run the 1000 megawatt HAARP. So it requires a lot of energy. They are monstrous transmitters.
            “They first started building these in Russia, on the coast of Estonia. There was a documentary about it on television. It is a pure war machine.
            “Q: Who has developed this device?
            “It has been said that Nicoli Tesla originally started the development. They say that in America they can for example change the direction of hurricanes. It has been rumored that the hurricane that “attacked” America was manufactured by Russians or Chinese and US tried to counter the attacks with their HAARP system. Now they are talking about getting one to Finland too, in Kilpisjärvi.
            “Q: So HAARP, in other words, is not a single machine but different countries have their own units?
            “It is a weapon. It is meant to replace the atomic bomb at some point. It is a weapon that can be used even without state of war. Americans, for example, at the moment are stealing rain from other neighboring countries.


          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            “Q: Can you create earthquakes with HAARP?
            “Yes. This is what happened in Fukushima, an earthquake was created. The Chinese and the Russians were measuring [a]couple of days before the HAARP activity. It has been rumored on the internet that US attacked to Japan because Japan didn’t agree to join their currency system. The point of my rant is, however, that HAARP was used to turn down the rise in ionization levels.
            “Q: So there is a difference in interpretation.
            “They didn’t understand the situation at all. For example, the changing of the atmosphere into an iron nail due to ionization radiation turns air lethal. It burns your lungs. I’ve seen in Okliluoto a flock of birds flying over the omission chimney dropping down smoking and dead. Then the guards come and pick up the birds saying: “Don’t touch them, they are radioactive!” This is how concrete it is.
            “Thank you.
            “Thank you for watching.
            “[Video subtitles transcribed by gg]”

          • Bill Duff

            Luddites down the rabbit hole

          • ISeePinkClouds

            Yes. VanneV. As always; Thank You. You are greatly appreciated. Arto Lauri is a genius with his heart in the right place. I could take slight exceptions to what he is saying, but overall, it is the best description of the possible scenario I have seen. As my friend is wont to say, "It has a ring of truth to it." Peace

            • Bill Duff

              Not enough anthropomorphic microwave power on Planet Earth to move a child sandbox 2 feet: up, down or sideways.

              Laughably delusional

              • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                Bill, installations are on the order of 10,000 HP…they must be hooked directly to the dam or something…anyway, a lot of power if any kind of impedance matching could be attained, certainly enough to move a sandbox 2 feet. But of course its not power but energy that is needed, and resonant induction over time would be the means….but not as prime mover, only unlocking stored energy tectonics. It wouldnt work just anywhere anytime, if it works at all. Energy transfer efficiency is the question. But then you know all this already in your infinite and rather arrogant wisdom

                • Bill Duff

                  No motive force, in the absence of an electrical motor. Heating only. Laughably naive and nescient.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    Bill, I didnt study the HAARP thing, but on the face of it, you are ignoring pressure differentials, and the lorentz force which is of course the classic electromotive force, and existent with any time variant EM and conductive material, i.e. earth, salt water. Really it comes down to energy transfer efficiency, as you would know it the standing wave ratio. Whats your deal know it all? Even your "heating only" is a motive force on brownian motion level. Any standard issue Luddite has heard of Schumann ionospheric cavity resonance, ball lightening during earthquake which would have some form of reciprocal law. Would you believe me if I told you that rather smallish celestial bodies several earth diameters away could cause the rise and fall of entire oceans several feet? Gravity, the weakest of the four natural forces….moving entire oceans up and down from 200,000 miles away…impossible. Hubris, or, man is too stupid to admit he doesnt know it all. And theres tonight's bonus question for you; how big of a brain is required to know it all?

                    • Bill Duff

                      Electrical Engineers are INTIMATELY familiar with Maxwell's Equations, in differential and integral form. Therefore, Luddite crack-talk about electromagnetic field theory is laughable.

                    • Bill Duff

                      I would not believe you screaming your arse was afire, without visual confirmation and the smell of burning shitte.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      OK Bill, you then miss the point thus demonstrating your arrogance and non scientific attitude. It was nearly 1700 before the moon and sun were shown to cause tides. Before that, the arrogant Duffs would scoff at the idea that the little moon, of which no lifting force could be felt could lift entire oceans.

                      The correct scientific attitude regarding earthquake generation with microwaves is that you doubt, yet dont know. The correct question is not can you move a sandbox but can you move a child on a swing. Im going to say that with 10,000 HP, give me a few scientists and engineers and I will get a child swinging. But I dont think you could do it.

                      Whats needed is a transduction method and enough energy transfer efficiency to overcome the damping ratio of the spring constant of the various earth frequency modes….and there are quite a few. A minute online showed some with high Q and surprisingly high frequency. Its a start….

                      While intuitively, Im with you that it seems far fetched to be able to create earth movement using high power microwave, its simply arrogant and unscientific mindset to say impossible.

                      You define yourself by your abundance of arrogant unsubstantiated comments and uncalled for name calling

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Thank you Code.

                      Tesla found all the magic.

                      Marconi capitalized upon it.

                      Inductance or Motive Force is key to HAARP.

                      RF induces currents through inductance.

                      RF is what it is. Multiplying RF's energy, or motive force, is what it does.

                      Electrically. you can wind it up, but the scale is too great to be practical.

                      Tesla found RF Amplitude and Frequency.

                      The Induced RF Wave can be tuned.

                      Everyone knows that when two, in sync, waves merge, the amplitude is increased.

                      There is no impossible…

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      The law governing the potential energy extracted with HAARP, is that the E, in the equation, E=MC2, is the magnetosphere around the planet Earth…

                      And I really do think it's energy extracted… 😐

                  • Gabe Gabe

                    Are you serious? Or simply stupid? Or a troll?
                    HAARP produces very low frequency sound waves that literally vibrate and move things. Geez, man go do some reading!

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                You are very ignorant about HAARP. Almost 20 years ago it was reported the goal was for HAARP to have five (5) billion gigawatts of power.

                Lying or feigning ignorance about a technology that is no longer new nor novel does not make the facts go away.

                It is or was a U.S. government project (the Gakona, Alaska project) for many years, for cryin' out loud.

              • Bill Duff

                Not enough anthropogenic microwave power on Planet Earth to move a child sandbox 2 feet: up, down or sideways.

                Laughably delusional

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        I remember PattieB gave some info on it being a methane explosion.

        It HAD to be more than just H2 to produce that kind of damage to the thick reinforced concrete structure.

        If it was JUST H2…only the wimpy top would have blown off.

        The NRC folks found some serious high rad "shine" in between 3&4 that came from "pool water deposition", so something bad happened in the pool.

        There is not ONE SINGLE THING that adds up to them NOT having lost that pool.

        It's a big charade, no doubt being led by the USA…not TEPCO or Japan.

    • bo bo

      Dr. G are you looking for a specific video titled that ?

      Here's a page from asyura, the 3rd and 4th link down shows youtube vid links that show close view of unit 4 after accident.

      ( 2nd link is a pic of what fuel rods look like, for reference – you see in the vid fuel rods littering the place like spaghetti )

      • There are no specific videos that cover the MELT OUT of spent fuel pools, plus showing the evidence of it in multiple cases.

        This is the smoking gun that is being scrubbed from the web and is most likely why AGRP was taken out.. it was the only and last place left with that information.

        Hopefully this is not the case, but so far, nothing on melted out spent fuel pools, with EVIDENCE of it.

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Dr GoodHeart, this video of #4 pool shows some real damage to the tops of the fuel holders similar to high heat damage.

      • bo bo

        Interesting PGU.. although now I'm confused again.. then those 'rods' in the vid I posted above by asyura ( asyura seems to think they are fuel rods ).. are those just rebars of the building?
        & maybe they called removing of those empty rod shells (?) seen on your vid at 1:50 'successful removal' – ( as Sickputer described once, like removing of emptied tubes of toothpaste ?)

        I'm not very good at this technical stuff but would like to comprehend as much as possible before these vids and comments start disappearing. 🙁

        • HoTaters HoTaters

          Hi bo, I was going to mention depending on what pictures or videos you're viewing, it can be difficult to distinguish fuel assemblies from girders from the buildings.

          The fuel bundles are a lot shorter than the building girders, but it's still difficult to figure out which are which, at times.

          • None of this is MELTED fuel.. pouring out of the side of multiple buildings.

            This is what is being scrubbed.

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              Yes, Dr. G., you are correct. Didn't Hatrick Penry make reference to the stuff pouring out of the #4 building? The melted out equipment pool? (That happened relatively recently.)

              Or are you referring to what happened in 2011?

              So sorry your videos are being scrubbed. The thought police are hard at work.

          • bo bo

            HoTaters although I'm not sure what Asyura's expertise is – the comments on Asyura's page point to distinguishing fuel rods from rebars by how straight they look in the aftermath, as the zirconium shell withstands hight heat. All the rebars in that section of the building warped.. and her theory is that the straight looking bars are fuel rods ( or what's left of them, at least )

            So @2:39 in this video →

            ..She thinks that that straight bar sticking out from that gray blanket like thing.. that's an example of a fuel rod.

            • bo bo

              & I'm just sharing here what asyura's saying here, btw – I PERSONALLY HAVE NO IDEA 🙁

            • HoTaters HoTaters

              RE: zirconium melting point, here's a reference:


              "Water-cooled reactors
              In a water-cooled reactor the action of radiation on the water (radiolysis) forms hydrogen peroxide and oxygen. These can cause stress corrosion cracking of metal parts which include fuel cladding and other pipework. To mitigate this hydrazine and hydrogen are injected into a BWR or PWR primary cooling circuit as corrosion inhibitors to adjust the redox properties of the system. A review of recent developments on this topic has been published.

              Thermal stresses upon quenching
              In a loss-of-coolant accident (LOCA) it is thought that the surface of the cladding could reach a temperature between 800 and 1400 K, and the cladding will be exposed to steam for some time before water is reintroduced into the reactor to cool the fuel. During this time when the hot cladding is exposed to steam some oxidation of the zirconium will occur to form a zirconium oxide which is more zirconium rich than zirconia. This Zr(O) phase is the α-phase, further oxidation forms zirconia. The longer the cladding is exposed to steam the less ductile it will be. One measure of the ductility is to compress a ring along a diameter (at a constant rate of displacement, in this case 2 mm min−1) until the first crack occurs, then the ring will start to fail. The elongation which occurs between when the maximum force is applied and

              • HoTaters HoTaters

                (cont. ) when the mechanical load is declined to 80% of the load required to induce the first crack is the L0.8 value in mm. The more ductile a sample is the greater this L0.8 value will be.

                In one experiment the zirconium is heated in steam to 1473 K, the sample is slowly cooled in steam to 1173 K before being quenched in water. As the heating time at 1473 K is increased the zirconium becomes more brittle and the L0.8 value declines.

                bo, I'm pretty sure I read the zircalloy cladding burned up when the reactors and fuel pools went dry.

                Here's an article on zircalloy cladding failure, but this data may apply only to PWR's (not BWR's) and the cladding failure may differ due to lots of different factors. One factor to consider is the type of fuel, as well as the type of reactor accident, presence of water (and type of water), behavior of the particular cladding, etc.

                This may help:


                Simulated LOCA (loss of coolant accident) tests and subsequent mechanical tests on Zircaloy-4 cladding were carried out to evaluate the failure behavior of the cladding. Zircaloy-4 claddings were oxidized in a steam environment from 900 to 1250 °C for a given time period followed by a flooding of cool water to simulate LOCA tests. After the simulated LOCA test, the ductility of the oxidized cladding was evaluated by mechanical tests such as ring compression test and 3-point bend test.

                • HoTaters HoTaters


                  "Evaluation of the absorbed contents such as hydrogen and oxygen were also carried out. The results showed that Zircaloy-4 cladding failed during thermal shock when the ECR (equivalent cladding reacted) value exceeded 20%. Lower boundary of brittle failure at thermal shock corresponds to 20% of ECR line calculated by the Baker–Just equation regardless of test temperature. On the other hand, boundary of ductile failure by the mechanical test did not followed after the ECR line. It rapidly decreased above 1000 °C to show that all Zircaloy-4 claddings behaved brittle fracture above 1150 °C when it oxidized at 300 s. Microstructural analysis revealed that boundary of ductile failure by the mechanical test fitted well when the absorbed oxygen content inside the prior-β layer was below 0.5 wt%."

                  This begs the question: were the tops of the reactor rods bare, and for how long before they had water poured onto them? And what temperature had the fuel reached?

                  I now wonder if the dumping of water onto the hot fuel (after the cladding had burned up) didn't cause at least some of the explosive events (detonations, deflagrations, whatever they were).

                  If I'm not mistaken, the cladding burned up before the reactors melted down. The cladding fails at high temperatures.

                  I'm not a nuclear scientist, though, so I may be mistaken. Arnie Gunderson talked about the zircalloy cladding failure, but it has been a long time since I watched his videos on this subject.

                  • HoTaters HoTaters

                    Would anyone with more expertise on this subject care to chime in here? Wish I could find Arnie's statements about the cladding.

                    What I gathered from the little reading I did is the cladding can become brittle and fail for a lot of different reasons. The longer the fuel burns, the more brittle the cladding becomes. At least that's my understanding.

                    Someone here corrected me once re: the girders vs. the fuel bundles. I mentioned there were fuel bundles all over the top of the reactor #3 building. Whoever it was that answered pointed out to me the difference between the fuel bundles and the girders.

                    If I can find a picture that shows the two in proximity to one another, I'll post a link and will describe which is which (if I can still figure it out).

                    Here's a link to some photos (credit to Lucas Whitfield Hixson and Cryptome):


                    You can see steel girders lying all over the place in the third or fourth photo down.

                    Here's a good picture of a fuel bundle, although what we're looking for here may look different.


                    Enlarged pictures of the Unit 3 and Unit 4 rooflines show what are probably fuel bundles lying there, along with the steel girders. Look for the shorter, thicker looking pieces of metal.

                    Does anyone else want to chime in here?

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      Don't ask me what the technical discussion of loading and cladding failure means, because it's all Greek to me.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      One last comment. Didn't someone (Stock?) say the fuel is at a temp. of about 4,000 degrees C when it melts down? That would certainly vaporize or just burn up the cladding.

                    • HoTaters HoTaters

                      But what I'm wondering is if Ineptco introduced thermal shock sufficient to cause the fuel to explode, or to cause the cladding to burn up, leading somehow to an uncontrolled criticality situation.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Finally, in your comments below, you mention the Zircalloy MELTING temperature, which question you started with.

                      Everything above is about combustion; which did occur at the FDNPS Units 1, 2 & 3 Reactors and some of the Spent Fuel Pools.

                    • Angela_R

                      The heat came from the fissile isotopes in the rods which had lost their cooling agent. Zircalloy would have become very hot because of this FISSILE material; I am inclined to agree with Bill that the Zircalloy melted. Some time agoI mentioned that I believed it was the Plutonium that caused the fire.

                      Re Plutonium:
                      "When exposed to moist air, it forms oxides and hydrides that expand the sample up to 70% in volume, which in turn flake off as a powder that can spontaneously ignite."

                    • Angela_R

                      ps. I do not think that the Plutonium exploded. Some plutonium may have been ejected by the hydrogen explosions.
                      These explosions occurred nearly four years ago.

                      However since then, I have seen viewers draw attention to 'emissions' which may have indicated nuclear reactions.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Some of the Zircalloy melted or softened sufficiently to allow UOX & MOX fuel to fall.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Some of the Zircalloy burned and allowed UOX & MOX fuel to fall.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Transmutation of structural metals to radioactive isotopes PROVES an atomic explosion in FDNPS Unit-3.

                    • Angela_R

                      "Some of the Zircalloy melted or softened sufficiently to allow UOX & MOX fuel to fall."

                      causing a meltdown

                      a meltdown is different to an explosion.

                      However there appears to be strong evidence that some plutonium was ejected by the hydrogen explosions.

                    • Angela_R

                      "Transmutation of structural metals to radioactive isotopes PROVES an atomic explosion in FDNPS Unit-3."

                      Where did these metals go?

                    • Bill Duff

                      Radioactive materials of all sorts are being boxed up and/or buried in Japan. That is a lot of what those cranes are doing.

                    • Angela_R

                      So there was no meltdown in Unit 3?

                    • Bill Duff

                      Zircalloy will burn underwater; robbing oxygen from the H2O. The resulting H2 gas rises, accumulates and explodes, in a SUBSONIC velocity deflagration.

                      The FDNPS Unit-3 Explosion was a SUPERSONIC detonation.

                    • Bill Duff

                      FDNPS Reactor-3 MOX & UOX Fuel overheated. Some was above the fluctuating water level. Some fuel was below the fluctuating water level.

                      Much of the FDNPS Reactor-3 fuel melted. Some fuel was alloyed with melting zircalloy. Some of the fuel ran, unalloyed, down to the bottom of the reactor as the zircalloy burned.

                    • Angela_R

                      Yet zirconium alloys had been used since the 1960's.

                    • Angela_R

                      Reply to Bill @ 10.04am
                      so there would have been an 'elephant's foot' at the base of the reactor of Unit 3.

                      Guess if hot enough it may have cracked the steel container and oozed out:
                      "Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)."

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      There are many cooling pipes leading out of the reactor at the bottom. There is no way the melted fuel could have stayed at the bottom of the reactor.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      In addition, the nuclear detonation of Unit 3, blew out of the containment at the top.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Gundersen: Top of containment believed to have opened up after Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3 exploded

                      In other words, the reactor containment does not have he capability to withstand the nuclear detonation of MOX fuel inside that containment.

                      This is not an argument about a definition [which is a straw argument], but the capability of a containment in the face of a MOX detonation. All containments will prove unable to handle such a MOX detonation.

                      ALL nuclear reactors need to be shut down. Human life is not expendable, but sacred.

                    • Bill Duff

                      FDNPS Unit-3 Reactor & Containment Breached. Some FDNPS Unit-3 Fuel is clearly in the Earth.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Angela, both Units #3 and #4 suffered nuclear detonations from the MOX fuel.

                      Smoke from reactor blast had different color than officials claim; Steel appears to have melted on top of Unit 3; Suggests possible nuclear explosion
                      Published: October 30th, 2014

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Reactor Designer: “It was a nuclear explosion” at Fukushima Unit 3; Plutonium scattered after blast — ABC: “There’s willful denial and lying going on here, even at the highest levels” (AUDIO)

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Fissioning uranium and/or hydrogen is art of a hydrogen bomb.

                      “…A thermonuclear weapon is a nuclear weapon design that uses the energy from a primary fission reaction to compress and ignite a secondary nuclear fusion reaction, from which most of the bomb's explosive yield is derived.[contradictory] The result is greatly increased explosive power when compared to single-stage fission weapons. While it is colloquially referred to as a hydrogen bomb or H-bomb because it employs hydrogen fusion, in most applications[citation needed] most of its destructive energy comes from uranium fission rather than fusion. The fusion stage in such weapons is required to efficiently cause the large quantities of fission that occur in most thermonuclear weapons.[1]…”

                    • Angela_R

                      Hi VanneV, your 2.36pm; guess I missed that, however not sure it is a foregone conclusion that Unit 3 was not a hydrogen 'explosion' that also ejected pellets of plutonium skywards.

                    • Bill Duff

                      The nature and cause(s) of the FDNPS Unit-4 explosion have not been credibly established. I do not recollect any credible description of that explosion as being a prompt criticality (atomic blast) of any sort.

                      The biggest concerns with FDNPS Unit-4, were Spent Fuel Pool collapse, dumping Spent Fuel onto the ground and bouncing toward the Fukushima Harbor.

                    • Angela_R

                      VanneV @ 2.42pm.

                      hydrogen bomb

                      "hydrogen bomb or H-bomb, weapon deriving a large portion of its energy from the nuclear fusion of hydrogen isotopes. In an atomic bomb, uranium or plutonium is split into lighter elements that together weigh less than the original atoms, the remainder of the mass appearing as energy. Unlike this fission bomb, the hydrogen bomb functions by the fusion, or joining together, of lighter elements into heavier elements. The end product again weighs less than its components, the difference once more appearing as energy. Because extremely high temperatures are required in order to initiate fusion reactions, the hydrogen bomb is also known as a thermonuclear bomb."


                      Maybe I'm wrong, but I really think that if the full contents of Unit 3's reactor been involved in the explosion, very little of that plant would have remained standing. It seems obvious that pellets, possibly dust, from the MOX
                      fuel were ejected but I am not sure that they were party to the explosion.

                      Had Unit 4's pool gone up with it ***###

                      Personally, I believe it is important to note what is still occurring. There have been strong emissions for some time.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Any imaginings on the nature and causes of Unit4 explosion must consider the thermal images showing hot fuel in the equipment pool, the reactor and the spent fuel pool. One must also address the melt out on the north side and evidence of a strong blast from the same area. The suggestion that the failure was due to a weak building is just bogus and does nothing to address actual events.

                      Its reasonable to think there may have been fuel in the reactor, that it blew out one or some of the ports, that the melt out might be corium, that the stored fuel was obliterated by extreme destructive forces from fresh fuel bundles and later salt gunk and corrosion. Its not reasonable to assume it was a hydrogen explosion from Unit three gas. So, whatever the cause of the destruction, it came from onsite and thus the destruction of the assemblies involved is practically a given. It was also suggested that the gas could have come from methane, in which case zirconium hydrogen production need not be the cause. If Unit 3 was a nuclear reaction, then unit 4 could certainly be the same

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Angela is saying that the Unit 3 explosion was not a nuclear detonation. Why she is arguing with the nuclear experts or the visual evidence and the fallout evidence is beyond me.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      AS reported by nuclear authorities, from evidence in the building, there have been at least 3 explosions at Unit 4.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Gundersen: Up to 3 explosions hit Fukushima Unit 4 after 3/11 — Study: There was fire in its spent fuel pool — NPR: Big worry since fire weakened building’s structure (AUDIO)

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Angela, it wasn't just some dust found outsdie the plant, they found nuclear fuel fragments from Fukushima in Europe:

                      Fukushima nuclear fuel fragments found in Europe — 10,000+ km from reactors — Plume came directly from N. America — Hot particles a “significant part” radioactive release — Quickly spread over entire hemisphere — Film shows core material on Norway air filter (PHOTO)

                    • Angela_R

                      "Angela is saying that the Unit 3 explosion was not a nuclear detonation"

                      in my post @ 2.42pm my remark was:
                      "Maybe I'm wrong, but I really think that if the full contents of Unit 3's reactor been involved in the explosion, very little of that plant would have remained standing. It seems obvious that pellets, possibly dust, from the MOX
                      fuel were ejected but I am not sure that they were party to the explosion."

                      Fuku Live Camera, R3 MOX STEAM
                      November 24, 2014

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      The strong emissions are from all 4 reactors and spent fuel pools. The emissions will increase for the next 250,000 years according to Michio Kaku.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      “…Note that the lethality of radioactive reactor cores goes up the first 250,000 years they are out of the reactor – not down….”

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      A nuclear criticality's energy is so great that even a nuclear weapon only explodes a portion of it's pit.

                      The rest of it becomes projectiles instantly.

                      Look at the SL1 experiments in Idaho.

                      If there was a criticality in FD#3's reactor core after melting and reconfiguring, while slumping to the bottom, I beleive that the results would be exactly what was caught on video…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Unit #3 definitely doesn't look good here:

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      And following continued higher than 1000 feet.

                    • Bill Duff

                      The FDNPS Unit-3 self-destruction is a complex sequence of overheating, redox chemical reactions, chemical deflagration explosions and a low-yield nuclear explosion.

    • 😐

      Good observation, thanks for noting.

      Disappearing videos. Who else would really know, but people who pay attention to Fukushima information.

      Sounds like a story in itself. 😉

    • PlowboyGrownUp

      Dr GoodHeart Close up footage by helicopter, but have to sign up, I haven't

  • ISeePinkClouds

    Yes. Newsers. Thank you all for your comments. It would be fine if we could just transfer the perspective we have here to the minds of the sleeping masses. The single most startling experience I have had in trying to light another candle is the reaction from people I have tried to explain the general details of the Fukushima Event to. The comment that most angered me was, "If there is nothing that can be done about it, why worry about it?" Who said nothing can be done about it? Not me. Weird, huh? When a person begins to realize the scope of this disaster their consciousness shuts down completely. It is the "This can't be happening" syndrome. Well, I understand. Who deserves this? In the past four years of speaking out I can say with relative assuredness that I have not convinced anyone of the seriousness of the event, and of the need to take action to protect themselves. Normalcy Bias and Cognitive Dissonance rule the day. Enenews is an Island of Sanity for me. It is my Escape to Reality. It would be my hope that now Guy Crittenden has retired that he will join us here, and contribute to the greater perspective. It would be good for him, and us. With the little knowledge I have of the dangers inherent in ionizing radiation, the scope of the Chernobyl, Fukushima, and WIPP disasters; I would be completely insane without you all. Nothing profound here today. Just an opportunity to say Thank You Newsers for being here for me. Much love. Much Respect…

    • Bill Duff

      The sheeplike tendency of the masses to keep grazing IS a substantial contributor to the FDNPS disaster seriousness.

      And Giving UP, too easily ADDS MORE to the eventual bad outcome.

    • We Not They Finally

      ISeePinkClouds, your words are always appreciated. You were the one who wen to Carlsbad, yes? Astounding the brain-deadness there. Don't know what it will take. I guess mass epidemics, but then lies about what caused it, and cover ups.

      It's still ALWAYS better to be in a place of awareness — affirms one's own humanity and let us continue to support one another.

      • ISeePinkClouds

        Yes. We Not They Finally. TY. I am still on the WIPP Trail. I was pleased to hear in admin's link to Kevin Kamp's interview on Nuclear Hotseat, above, that New Mexico has fined the Department of Energy 54 Million over accidents at the WIPP plant. The true depth and scope of the contamination coming from the WIPP is yet to be revealed, but it will be revealed, and it will be well beyond what anyone could conceive of based upon the information the DOE has released. I know you know, but you didn't get your info from the DOE, and neither did I. It is all more tragic than words can express, and, sadly too, it will continue to get worse. The DOE cannot afford to lose WIPP, so it will take them some time to realize that they have already lost it. Peace

  • Bill Duff

    spent fuel storage pond at the Unit 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is on fire

    Japan radiation leaking "directly" into air: IAEA, By Fredrik Dahl, VIENNA | Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:43pm EDT

    VIENNA (Reuters) – Japan has told the U.N. nuclear watchdog radioactivity was being released "directly" into the atmosphere from the site of an earthquake-stricken reactor and that it had put out a fire at a spent fuel storage pond there.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), citing information it had received from Japanese authorities at 0350 GMT, said on Tuesday dose rates of up to 400 millisievert per hour have been reported at the Fukushima power plant site.

    The IAEA said it had been informed "that the spent fuel storage pond at the Unit 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is on fire and radioactivity is being released directly into the atmosphere."

    The IAEA said Japanese authorities had also informed it that there had been an explosion at the Unit 2 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, saying it occurred at around 0620 local time in Japan.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Bill, this is like a re-post of stuff we have several times referenced. But lets get your word on SFP4 fuel removal; You have it at 90% safely moved to the common pool. I know, its the intact cool assemblies, not the one or two cores worth of meltdowns and explosions that somehow didnt do anything to the other assemblies, just the building. Or is your view changing?

      • Bill Duff

        This information was considered, in the WAG of 90% +/- 5%. Japan indicated the SFP-4 water was 84 C. So only a 16 degree local hot spot to boiling water. Not necessarily a contradiction.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Bill, Im calling you on that one. You plaster a bunch of dire officialdom only to say a local 16 deg hotspot and all is well fuel removal. Whats up with that? Exactly WHY do you quote Jaczko then? Melted, burned, probably critical fuel load creates a local 16 deg rise in temperature. Not enough to make coffee. Sounded dire but wasnt, move along

          • Bill Duff

            The 20 + year old bundles did not melt or burn in 84 degree water. And I doubt that the 5 + year old bundles did either. The most recent FULL Load, and (perhaps) the previous couple of Half Loads partially melted and partially burned.

            Two 2 FULL LOADS of burned Zircalloy Tubes and Melted Spent Fuel is pretty gawdamn bad. That is a LOT of corium, if it totally melted.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              The water boiled away, the radiation levels were enormous. Why would I believe TEPCOs 84 deg? They lied about everything. The amount of water and zirc required to produce the explosion has been calculated and the paper referenced for you before. The contents of the pool must be like the aftermath of a reactor load meltdown/exlosion; a total mangled mess sitting in salt/hydrazine brine

              • Bill Duff

                I agree that TEPCO, Japan, Obama, IAEA, WHO and the Media LIED about everything related to the ongoing FDNPS disasters.

                But CodeShutdown exaggerates the Unit-4 deflagration and meltdown. And exaggerates substantially. It is a natural response, but it is not a justified rational assessment of the mechanical damages.

                The environmental and public health disasters are difficult to exaggerate, but some people (scaredycats) manage even that. The world did NOT end in the Spring of 2011 and it is not ending this year or 5 decades hence from the FDNPS FUBARS.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Thats bogus, Bill. It would be difficult to exaggerate the unit four destruction. It was destroyed as you can see in the photos


                  Bill calls me a scaredycat but the concern for the horrible effects is also shown by high level physicists like Michio Kaku, statesmen like Akio Matsumura


                  and anyone with a moral compass and an intact feeling for the suffering of others.

                  The animal life of north Japan is dieing, deformed…a dead zone. Anybody who downplays this tragic event are psychopathic

                  • Bill Duff

                    The cheesy General Electric Architecture was shattered like a beer bottle. So what is your plan for your personal unfurling extinction level event?

                    I expect the FDNPS spent fuel in the common pool, Unit-1, Unit-2, Unit-5 & Unit-6 are not seriously damaged. FDNPS Unit-3 is by FAR, the most heavily damaged. The FDNPS is being dismantled and they are pouring a LOT of concrete. The sooner the Japanese quit pouring contaminated water into the Ocean, the better.

                    I expect the North Pacific Fishery to continue dying for a few decades. And then, as the corium isolation efforts bear some results, the Ocean Biota will gradually begin to recover.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      What about the species lost in that ten years?
                      What about the possible broken food chain?
                      What about the possible collapse of that same food chain?
                      What about the continous consumption of those human edibles from that very contaminated food chain.
                      What about the possible collapse of that fishing industry.
                      Is that all less important than the collapse of an industry that promotes a failed technology that is continously causing the results above?

                    • Bill Duff

                      Jebus, I agree that the things you list are underway and will likely continue to play out, roughly as you describe.

                      What about them? Well they are all pretty much screwed, IMHPO.

                • nedlifromvermont

                  Hey everyone … let's cool it … we are not the enemy …

                  At the Sierra Club "summit" in Novemebr, one participant, Arjun Makhijani, who has personally assisted in 10 successful reactor shutdown campaigns in this country, by his count, and who runs an alternative energy think tank, and who has written books on why nuclear power is neither necessary to the grid now or in the future, categorically stated the Unit 4 fuel removal effort was legitimate … despite all arguments to the contrary …

                  This is a man not given to lying for Big Nuke ..

                  Sometimes you gotta trust people who are better informed, even if many of these people are liars and whores … they are not all such …

                  Let's give Tepco a hand for a 'job well started' … and redirect our focus on what is really important: the unaccounted for coriums (coriae?) and the spent fuel inventories for Units 1-3, and the rest of the un-casked assemblies in Units 5 and 6 the the common SFP …

                  'Nuff sniping … we got better targets of rhetorical attack and savage mockery than each other …

                  'newsers Mock On!!!

              • We Not They Finally

                CodeS, BD is in denial. It gets to the point not worth arguing any more. Much thanks for our good efforts.

  • Bill Duff

    boiled dry, leaving fuel rods stored there exposed and bleeding radiation,

    U.S. Calls Radiation ‘Extremely High’ and Urges Deeper Caution in Japan, By DAVID E. SANGER, MATTHEW L. WALD and HIROKO TABUCHI, Published: March 16, 2011,

    WASHINGTON — The chairman of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission gave a significantly bleaker appraisal of the threat posed by Japan’s nuclear crisis than the Japanese government, saying on Wednesday that the damage at one crippled reactor was much more serious than Japanese officials had acknowledged and advising Americans to evacuate a wider area around the plant than the perimeter established by Japan.

    Gregory Jaczko, the chairman of the commission, said in Congressional testimony that the commission believed that all the water in the spent fuel pool at the No. 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station had boiled dry, leaving fuel rods stored there exposed and bleeding radiation. As a result, he said, “We believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures.”

    Mr. Jaczko’s testimony, the most extended comments by a senior American official on Japan’s nuclear disaster, described what amounts…

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Bill, we only drag Jaczko out again to convince the doubting Duffs. But here it is in a nutshell; Everyone admits that if SFP 4 is ex-vessel, the survival of civilization is in jeopardy. So, is it, or isnt it?

  • Bill Duff

    last-ditch effort to cover the spent fuel, with water,

    Mr. Jaczko’s testimony, the most extended comments by a senior American official on Japan’s nuclear disaster, described what amounts to an agonizing choice for Japanese authorities: Send a small number of workers into an increasingly radioactive area in a last-ditch effort to cover the spent fuel, and the fuel in other reactors, — with water, or do more to protect the workers but risk letting the pools of water protecting the fuel boil away — and thus risk a broader meltdown.

    Mr. Jaczko was asked by Michael Burgess, a Republican of Texas and a member of the House committee where he was testifying, if the radiation levels at the plant boundary could be related to a chest x-ray or a cat scan. Mr. Jaczko said the Nuclear Regulatory Commission believed they were “Levels that would be lethal with a fairly short period of time.’’

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Thats right Bill, lethal levels of radiation. Actually, just reference the fact that they couldnt even fly a helicopter over for a minute and the truth is told. So what about the workers in the photos, and how could the fuel be all safe, in nice tidy assemblies, all stored in the safe common pool? Blown up building does not equal secure fuel assemblies, do you agree?

      • Bill Duff

        I dont think that all the fuel from SFP-4 is OK. Japan is lying about that. Neither do I suppose that ALL the SFP-4 Fuel is corium deep in the earth.

      • Bill Duff

        Blown up building at the FDNPS Unit-4, indicates inadequate General Electric Building Design.

        Spent Fuel Pools should be in a deflagration strength containment design.

        Nuclear Reactors should be constructed in a detonation strength containment design.

        General Electric sold an inadequate design to USA, Japan and Germany. Germany has shut down ALL their GE Mark-1 containment units. And rightly so, by my lights.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          Bill. Why fumble the obvious point? The pictures show unimaginable destruction of massive buildings. The obvious point pertinent to the discussion is how could the fuel be in pristine shape if it caused this amount of damage. If the buildings were ten times as strong, and survived, it wouldnt change the fact that they were blown to smithereens by some kind of fuel reactions. Rebar snapped like spaghetti, massive steel beams bent like licorice sticks, tons of concrete blown to dust. Yet the fuel that did this is all safely stored now. Pfft and the moon is made of cheese and the tooth fairy brings you a silver dollar for every strontium tooth that falls out.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          Your words: "Nuclear Reactors should be constructed in a detonation strength containment design. " There is no technology for this and there is not enough money in the world to achieve anything near this. Nuclear technology is and never will ever be safe.

          • Bill Duff

            A hole in the ground, 1,000 feet deep, lined with reinforced concrete and steel is detonation proof.

            I dont think that ANY resident of the present Nuclear Village can be trusted to build a hammer.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Bill, how about a salt dome? It should be detonation proof. Your nuke poison will be oozing out of WIPP into the air and ground water forever. Youre right about the incompetence of the nuclear village. Not too late to turn around Bill

              • Bill Duff

                The WIPP ventilation exhaust fans blew the Plutonium up the ventilation stack, to the surface and scattered it across the countryside.

                Your utility and your state are likely just as guilty as mine. If I can shut down the two Texas nuclear power stations, and their 4 reactors, I will.

                I think LANL should be horsewhipped for using organic cat scratch, instead of clay for the WIPP waste.

                I think a salt Dome with several hundred holes punched in it; is not at all intact. Therefore WIPP should never have opened. But a similar salt dome a few miles away would be better and hopefully good enough. Granite vault storage would be better, wherever that might be. We have to dump the trash somewhere.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Bogus Bill…and you know it. Salt domes by definition are in motion. Repeating the cat litter meme implies someone was stupid and if only we changed guard all would work. No engineer in their right mind would trust a geological high pressure vessel to store nuke waste for 10k years. 3000 psi will find its way out of a plastic enclosure especially with variations in strata. Water table is nearby…salt domes vanish with water incursion. 700 deg 3000 psi rad waste in geologic plastic = stupid. Previously proven in Germany. Kitty litter is a disgusting diversion/excuse for the reality; No way to store rad waste!

            • nedlifromvermont

              Code, Anne, Stock … We have to give some credit to Bill Duff … he's coming from the industry side and generally agrees with us … although his anti-Anne rants are suspect …

              He has made many useful comments and he is definitely trending anti-nuke …

              He is right about the 1,000 foot deep hole in the ground … pretty much what Ted Teller recommended for nuclear plant design;

              I believe a nuclear meltdown happened in Switzerland, at a reactor placed inside a mountain … and the Swiss blasted the tunnels to seal it off … I will look for a link later …

              Could be BD is a clever troll … but he's sounding legitimately anti-nuke to me …

              This is what you will get from somebody coming over from the other side …

              Let's stop the in-fighting … we still have the NRC, the IAEA and the EPA and WHO to scorn and mock …

              Better targets …. PEACE!!

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Putting nuclear reactors underground is no answer:

                • SMRs could reduce some safety risks but also create new ones, particularly if current reactor rules are relaxed. Key elements of SMRs would be underground. “’These [safety] features [of SMRs] would reduce some risks. But they could create new problems as well. For instance, they could aggravate the problem of flooding … Safety improvements may be reduced because SMR proponents are already arguing for changes in regulations to reduce costs. For instance, the current mPower design would have just three personnel for operating for two reactors – an operator for each reactor and one supervisor overseeing them both. This raises serious safety questions – will three operating staff be able to adequately respond to and manage a serious accident? Reducing security requirements, the plant exclusion zone, and the 10-mile emergency planning zone are other industry regulatory goals for SMRs.’
                • It breaks, you bought it: No thought is evident on how to handle SMR recalls. “’Millions of cars, presumably made to high quality control are routinely recalled. The most comparable example in terms of the size of the supply chain and overall order books for SMRs would be passenger aircraft. Boeing Dreamliners were presumably rigorously designed, tested, and certified before they entered into service. But battery failures, including a fire in flight resulted in a worldwide grounding of all the planes.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                The nuclear industry proves over and over again every day that they can not be trusted with nuclear technology.

                An explosion of a nuclear reactor in a mountain? Just proves how unsafe the technology is whether in a mountain, underground, or wherever. The people who advocate underground nuclear reactors want to put 2,000 of these reactors across the US alone. One experiment of one reactor for 50 years would adequately show how flawed this concept is. Subjecting the entire human population to a nuclear and radiological experiment is extremely immoral.

          • Bill Duff

            If memory serves, the petroleum industry uses a 2X pressure safety factor. Mechanical Engineers use 4X for static, 8X for dynamic and 16X for impulse.

            Freezing Water produces about 30,000 PSI.

            Magnum Rifle produces about 35,000 PSI chamber pressure.

            The General Electric Mark-1 'containment' pressure design is Far BELOW the pressure design requirements for a shotgun, pistol or rifle.

            There is no magic in this stuff, it is just a matter of using the right materials and a proper thickness of the material.

            • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

              Bill, thats so bogus…designing for 35k PSI?? And you repeatedly call VanneV a luddite with no grasp of numbers? Tell us how many feet of solid steal you would need for 35k psi? Cmon know it all. You have stepped into the absurd.

              This is what Arnie says

              'So I think the first important thing for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to admit, is that containments leak. But the second thing is that they can explode with a detonation shock wave.'

              The tragedy of hubris. Repeating the "lessons learned" meme is disgusting,…as if the class can now design their nightmare machine safely.

            • So if you design a container to handle 35,000 PSI and you fill it with water, no air space.

              Seal it up. Weld it shut.

              Now freeze the water.

              Will the container hold the ice without breaking open?

              • Bill Duff

                To STOP the expansion of water at the freezing point, the container should be constructed with a design margin. A 4 to 1 margin would be sufficient.

                Your container would likely stretch, rather than burst, depending on materials and construction details.

                • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                  Bill a design margin of 4 to 1 what? Actually all thats needed in theory is a design margin of 1. If the container is strong enough, it wont break. The ice will be compressed and the container will stretch, no matter how strong it is…up to its elastic limit, then it will yield. So I give your answer a C grade, and a D for coming off as a know it all with a poor answer

                  • Bill Duff

                    FLICK your booleanshit grade, dumbassus.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      another grade of F for not owning up to your poor answer, and then calling names…childish deportment, demonstrated for all to see. What does that do for ya?

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Bill re; pressure vessel. The first paper was nice…all three fine papers; but they did nothing to substantiate your botched replies about your huge pressure requirement for nuclear containment, and the curiosity of containing freezing water. In the first instance, and Im just a layperson, it seems immediately obvious that containing a pressure of 35k psi for the outer containment of a reactor is out of bounds of practicality, and moreover does nothing to address the real problem, which is malfunction and lack of storage and human fallibility and corruption. Im not going to attempt a calculation, but I would eyeball solid steel 10 feet thick in a perfect sphere and much more for any practical shape, plus your engineering safety factor of 4…so 40 to 100 ft thick steal walls, its absurd. Now thats eyeball, and could be off, but I CAN say 35,000 psi is a hell of a lot of pressure for a large vessel. Heck, nuclear bomb shelters are proud of a few hundred psi, and may be in fact only two atmospheres.

                      Then, the Dr was musing about the ice, and all you did was give some industry standard construction safety factor which is not pertinent to the question at all. You are not going to STOP anything! The answer lies in the simplest of engineering starters; Hooks law that stress is proportional to strain within the elastic limit. Thus, no matter how strong, there will be deflection. So, in the end you still rate a grade of F for cussing at me, a mere layperson, whilst not owning…

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Yeah, continued…Bill why not just say you were wrong or meant something else, or have a nice conversation? All points of view that are sincere are welcome. But the delivery of unsubstantiated and sometimes wrong and always arrogant ideas followed up with crass put downs and name calling is…what, goofy? Immature?

                    • Bill Duff

                      CodeShutdown is an idiot, arguing against routine mechanical engineering pressure vessel design margins.

                      Fools such as CodeShutDown are dangerous; and generally associated with flawdd, failure-prone design failures.

                      Pressure design margins vary, according to the specific application, industry standard as well as size/weight constraints and construction COST SAVING (corner cutting).

                      Contractors do a lot of Cost Saving and corner cutting. Pressure Vessel design margin is a common bean-counter cost-saving target-of-opportunity.

                      The General Electric Mark-1 architectural design is under-sized with respect to steam volume and under-thick with respect to metal-shell and concrete-containment-thickness. General Electric bean-counters cut corners in the Mark-1 Pressure Vessel Design. These pressure vessel design flaws were hotly debated in the USA Congress during the 1970s.

                      CodeShutDown sounds somewhat like a General Electric employee defending the pressure vessel corner cutting of the flawed GE Mark-1 Architectural Design. The design flaw repeatedly caused failures and radiation releases at the FDNPS.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Does CodeShutDown work for General Electric?

                  • Code, looks like duff never left a beer can outside overnight in a wisconsin winter, lol

                • 4 to 1 compared to what?!, that is stupid

                  • Bill Duff

                    ASME pressure vessel design codes dating back a century.

                    Materials routinely stretch, under static high=pressure conditions. Stretch, yield and fail, are MUCH more severe when pressure cycling and/or impulse conditions are present.

                    Pressure Vessel Design Margins provide safety margin, increased reliability under challenging conditions and a defense in court when lives are lost, due to equipment failures.

                    General Electric does NOT want us to discuss the GROSSLY inadequate pressure vessel design flaws of the Mark-1 system architecture.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Bill likes calling people stupid. There was no argument of design safety factors, we were talking about theoretically containing ice. you said this;

                      "To STOP the expansion of water at the freezing point, the container should be constructed with a design margin. A 4 to 1 margin would be sufficient.
                      Your container would likely stretch, rather than burst…"

                      That sounds like you mean you can STOP the expansion of ice if the container is 4x stronger than it absolutely needs to be. But thats bogus because no matter how strong, a container will still stretch…every structure stretches under load. The safety factor has nothing to do with it and is used to sort of grossly cover things like fatigue and whatnot. As one of your papers said, finite element analysis alters the grandfather safety factors.

                      Regarding nuclear, it doesnt matter how strong you make it, there are always failures anywhere along the life cycle, which is virtually endless. And you didnt retract your 35000 psi requirement, so just the logic of creating and then dismantling super thick steel containers disqualifies your insistence that weak structures are the problem. Indeed they blew up, but the point is, the massive structures should not have been built in the first place and are now massive radioactive garbage that mankind cant dispose of. And THAT, dear Bill is the POINT!

                    • Bill Duff

                      CodeShutDown is a stupid, ignorant and lying liar.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      OK, prove it Bill. It will only take you 5 minutes to calculate the wall thickness of a perfect sphere, say 100 ft in diameter that can withstand 35000 psi. Dont forget to add in your safety factor. Seems you have half the people labelled as stupid and ignorant liars. Its this arrogance that induces me to take you to task. Plus the fact that you want nuclear bombs

                    • Bill Duff

                      General Electric Apologist CodeShutDown wants to assign mechanical engineering projects to an EE; which is impertinent as well as mentally deficient. I have hydrostatically pressure TESTED thousands of pressure vessels and not designed on since college. Nonetheless the assignment is incomplete.

                      Shall we use 316 Stainless Steel or Nuclear Grade Structural Steel as material in this Imperial Measurement System spherical chicken design?

                      We would be advised to get a structural engineer to do pressure vessel design calculations.

                      Tensile Strength in Imperial Units was a lookup decades ago, but is probably in SI units now.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Bill, I dont care if you "cant do it". I would admire you for what skills and intelligence you have. I only take you task because you keep calling people idiots and morons and liars. I called you out and you failed. No problem, it isnt your field of expertise, but then why hype your superiority? Not a know it all after all.

                      I gave you spherical because its the only super easy case and gives the smallest wall thickness. You can use any steel you want, just calculate the total pressure across the diameter and the wall circumference and you can easily find the required thickness. Its only a super BALLPARK, not an engineering SOLUTION, which would be a tremendous undertaking. Use 100k psi tensile strength and just do it. Or use reinforced concrete since who is going to build the outer containment out of steel anyway?

                      Im impressed that you stopped more pollution than everyone I know. Ill take you at your word, although it would be interesting to know how you are doing it. I just dont care for the endless name calling and arrogant impression, and keeping the nuclear bombs. Everybody has them now…Israel, Pakistan, India…whos going to use them first? Oops, guess the U.S. did…ok second?

                    • Bill Duff

                      Just for shitsNgrins, we shall take a stab at a100 ft in diameter that can withstand 35000 psi. Using 316SS. Which is going to be thicker than available materials and probably more expensive than an interstate highway to make an ice cube.


                      Where P is the maximum pressure, t is the wall thickness, TS is the tensile strength of the materials in the shell and R is the radius of the shell. If one calculates the ultimate pressure of 35,000 psi using the tensile strength of the material, the component will be designed at its limits — no margin for error.

                      P = t X TS /R –> t = P X R/TS

                      Where 100 foot diameter = 50 foot radius = 600 inches
                      Pressure is 35,000 PSI = 35 KSI
                      316 SS has a Tensile Strength of 75KSI (75,000 PSI)

                      So, for zero margin, the 600 inch radius would have a wall thickness of 280 inches. With a 4X design margin, the wall thickness would be increased to 1,120” thick or about 93.3 feet thick.

                    • Bill Duff

                      So CodeShutDown, kiss my ruddy red.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      Hey Bill! Pretty close to my eyeball of 10 to 100 feet thick steel with safety factor! Incredibly close even. I will pass on kissing your ruddy red, thanks. Maybe you should kiss mine? But seriously, Kudos for playing along.

                      Aint nobody gonna make/dismantle a 100 ft diam containment with 100 ft thick steel walls.

                      Theres no war here, I readily admit your technical superiority. But why not cool the endless name calling then? We took you to task and scored, so who cares, we can share a Duff beer with Homer or just carry on….

                    • Bill Duff

                      Team Nuke and Watermelons can probably expect a fight, if they pick a fight.

                      We can concentrate on dismantling the Atoms for Peace economic failure; or we can continue tussling.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      uh, Im not quite following your analysis. Total pressure is pi R^2, total wall cross section area required is pressure/tensile strength, wall thickness reqd is wall cross section area/circumference. Maybe Im wrong, as fools often are…

                    • Bill Duff

                      CSD, you would be looking at total FORCE rather than the force on a square inch.

                      Dimensional analysis is our friend.

                      Mathematically, You are attempting to integrate over the internal surface area; which will produce a big and useless number.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      No Bill, if you look again you will see Im correct. Total force is the first thing we need to know. Its merely the cross section area of the container times the internal pressure. The required cross sectional area of material required is merely the total force divided by the strength (using equal units of course). Finally, the required wall thickness is found by taking the known reqd area and dividing by the circumference….right? wall thickness times circumference is total wall cross section area. Thus, you shouldnt be so condescending to fools

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      I should have said total force is the cross section of the internal space, to avoid confusion with container material. So internal radius squared times pi. No integration required

                    • Bill Duff

                      Mensuration formula are look-ups.

                      Even though you skipped the mathematical derivation, that is STILL the double integral.

                      The Billion Dollar ice cube is already built.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      So Bill, just to hammer the nail in this dead thread weve created, lets do this;

                      a 100 ft diameter sphere designed to withstand a pressure of 35k psi. Total pressure from gas is the container volume cross section times gas pressure which is pi r^2 x 35k psi. I get 1130000 sq times 35k psi= 39,550,000,000 pounds of total force. Total area of steel reqd is merely total force/tensile strength, which you give as 75k psi, so I get 527,333 sq in reqd. To find the wall thickness, divide by the spheres circumference, which appears to be 3,770 inches. Thus walls need be 140 inches thick which is 11.6 ft. Design safety factor of four gives 46 ft. Now if there are any flat sides, flanges and openings, the thickness goes up hugely. So, in conclusion my numbers dont match your numbers, but both numbers say its an absurd design goal. Moreover, you consistently called my thoughts and numbers idiotic, moronic, lying and meaningless. But it appears the reverse is true. Thats ok, just tone down the bad mouthing and move forward

                    • Bill Duff

                      CodeShutDown gets a wrong answer, given the formula, material strengths, correct answer & link.

                      The word stupid comes to mind.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      oops! I got it wrong? Wouldnt be the first time. Its like a zen thing; since I dont claim to know anything, I never have to worry about being wrong. But before I run the numbers again, what number did you finally come up with and where do you think I went wrong? If someone else confirms my number (although your likely correct that I messed up a calc somewhere) are you ready to apologize? As I see it, you have fallen on your own dagger about three or four times thus far.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      oy ve, your right Bill, I looked up the equation. Im sure stupid for making my own assumption and not even looking up the appropriate formula. I was off by a factor of 2, I dont know why. So what we have proved then is that its actually WORSE than I intuited and incorrectly calculated, proving that your pressure requirement for containment was far far out of reality. Guess were BOTH stupid then Bill! How does it feel to be among the peons and idiots? To reiterate, you didnt atone or defend any of your wrong statements and in the end only proved how wrong you were. Plus you like nuclear bombs and call everyone an idiot. Welcome to the idiot club Bill!

                • Bill Duff

                  The resulting Ice Cube would resemble a sample of glacial ice deep within the glacier to provide equivalent pressures. Glacial Ice is blue, due to the relative absence of air bubbles.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    lake Vostok under 13000 ft of ice is at 5000 psi. Stronger containers would require increasingly low temperatures to freeze the ice because Ice has lower freezing temperatures under pressure.

                    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                      and speaking of ice, there is a parallel of glaciers to salt domes. Both are high pressure plastic environments. Both can be washed away with water, may chip and crack, have non homogenous strata. Storing nuke waste in salt domes is not unlike storing it in glaciers. But why bother when you can dump it straight into the ocean?

          • Bill Duff

            VanneV is a stupid, lying, ignorant LUDDITE, with a mean streak a mile wide. Have we mentioned recently that recently?

            • Jebus Jebus

              Hey Bill, any child can throw up insults.

              Any child can single out someone for personal attacks.

              That is not why we are here. That is not why we care.

              I am asking you man to man, lay off the targeting.

              Anne has been fighting with us since 3//11 and before.

              So have I. Anne is not the enemy here. Lay off… 😐

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                Bill is actually pro-Nuke as he has already said. It is the truth he is afraid of. He wants to rewrite history.

              • Bill Duff

                Luddite Ignorance is NOT a solution to any challenge. Deal with it.

                • Jebus Jebus

                  Luddite ignorance encompases those who practice to elevate themselves at anothers expense.

                  Your mirror will reflect that…

                  • Bill Duff

                    Jebus, defending the Lying Luddite, VanneV is not going to win any technical discussion.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      I'm sure that anne can hold her own, especially against straw arguments.
                      None of us knows where "Arnies" faith is centered. It does not matter. You are generating circular arguments for your own agenda.

                      Why don't you and your engineering "expertise" explain to all how the theoretical thought bubble of a design, how that turd on a flatbed truck is going to shine, in the real world?

                      NUMBY comes to mind.

                      Proliferating does too.

                      How many we gonna need built and generating of those every day to have any impact on climate change.

                      Your welcome to respond in the off topic forum.

                      Look, I'm all ears…

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  Ask Bill to defend solar technology. This is the new technology that Bill refuses to find out about. He says that he is for zero point energy. But this does not exist and has been proven to be a hoax.

                  His refusal to look at solar technology makes him the Luddite.

                  • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                    Bill is also for nuclear deterrence, even though it is killing everything in sight, more the people at home than at any enemy. Killing off everyone in the world isn't helping.

                    • Bill Duff

                      VanneV opposes the Inherent Right of Self Defense.

                    • Jebus Jebus

                      Say you had a gun Bill. For self defense, of course.

                      But you can't ever fire it because it will kill you and your family, along with your intended defense of…

                      With MAD, there is no trust possible.


                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      I'm against using weapons of mass destruction for defense. I'm against technology that destroys life for a country's citizens and its soldiers. Depleted uranium for example has harmed many American soldiers and their children. Plutonium production plants destroys the lives of the workers and those living downwinde. Hanford is destroying the life of its workers and has destroyed all the surrounding land and the lives of the children born with anencephalitis.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Although I support the right of self defense, I personally am a pacifist. I own no guns, knives, etc.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      "…Former Secretary Kissinger puts the new danger, which cannot be addressed by deterrence, this way: 'The classical notion of deterrence was that there was some consequences before which aggressors and evildoers would recoil. In a world of suicide bombers, that calculation doesn’t operate in any comparable way.'[14] Shultz has said, 'If you think of the people who are doing suicide attacks, and people like that get a nuclear weapon, they are almost by definition not deterrable'.[15]…”

                  • Bill Duff

                    VanneV is a lying liar, I have worked on MANY solar voltaic projects.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      That's not the same as defending the technology. So why did you say that solar only works for 3 or 4 hours a day? There are plans that could supply with today's technology and resources 4 times the entire worldwide present day needs for all energy with just solar alone.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      Why, when I asked what energy you support, you didn't reply solar, but zero point energy?

                    • Bill Duff

                      Solar Voltaic is practical for small, off-grid, remote applications. Solar voltaic economics fail due to short availability per day. Not suitable for demand applications. Facts & not politics. Economic Engineering reality.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      The world is changing for the better: Providing all global energy with wind, water, and solar power, Part I:
                      Technologies, energy resources, quantities and areas of infrastructure,
                      and materials
                      Mark Z. Jacobson
                      , Mark A. Delucchi
                      Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-4020, USA
                      Institute of Transportation Studies, University of California at Davis, Davis, CA 95616, USA


                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      There you have it: Bill Duff
                      December 12, 2014 at 10:28 pm

                      "Solar Voltaic is practical for small, off-grid, remote applications. Solar voltaic economics fail due to short availability per day. Not suitable for demand applications. Facts & not politics. Economic Engineering reality."

                      I disagree with you, Bill Duff. Solar is for industrial nations, for example, like Germany. All the nuclear nations are going bankrupt. No nation can afford nuclear technology. No nation can survive meltdowns and nuclear waste. No nation can keep paying for the destruction of all their natural resources by nuclear radiation and the wide spread long-lived actinides. No nation can survive the genetic degradation of the human genome. No nation can survive the declining populations. Lead pots were the end of the Roman civilization. Nuclear radiation is the end of the nuclear nations which are a decline away from civilization to mass brutality and child sacrifice.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Luddite arguments against physical reality are fake and meaningless.

                • GreenRenew GreenRenew

                  Hard to tell the intent of my +1. It was for Jebus telling BDuff to cease attacking VanneV.

                  Come on, BD, no personal attacks. It makes you look bad.

                  • Bill Duff

                    Not particularly interested in appearances.

                    • GreenRenew GreenRenew

                      Perhaps I should have stated it another way. Your personal attacks negatively impact your credibility.

                      Look, you and VanneV (or whomever) can provide rebuttal after rebuttal all day long for the thread. All I'm saying is to leave the personal attacks out of it.

                    • Bill Duff

                      The FACTS speak for themselves as do my arguments. Lying Luddite Fools can rage all they wish.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              Your words just reveal something about you, not about me.

              Building reactors 1000 feet deep won't solve anything. Burying nuclear waste 1000 feet deep won't solve the nuclear waste problem either.

              • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                This was in reply to Bill Duff's comment. Bill seems to have more fear fer the internet than for nuclear technology. He won't watch the video from Artu Lauri about the dangers of methane 100s of feet deep below nuclear reactors, because he is afraid of the internet.

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  Fukushima showed that MOX fuel can blow up the reactor vessel containment because there was a detonation of the core within the reactor. There is no reactor containment possible that can stop a nuclear detonation. No coolant means a nuclear detonation means the rector containment will be breached. The temperatures are extremely high.

                  • Bill Duff

                    We repeatedly CONTAINED underground hydrogen bomb DETONATIONS. That would be a chemical detonation followed by a fission detonation, followed by a fusion detonation. pop bang BOOM!

                    Fusion enhanced fission nuclear blasts were similarly and repeatedly contained in underground blasts.

                    The ground shook and everybody was removed to some distance. However a functional outhouse could have been placed atop the assembly and USED during the blasts, with no sustained injuries. Routine safety considerations preclude such foolhardiness.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      And who went down into the hole to check that there is no contamination in the groundwater? And isn't that part of the earth then destroyed for a million years or more? If natural gas is near a detonated atomic bomb, it is too radioactive for use. And isn't Fukushima Daiichi a lot bigger than any atomic bomb?

                      But a detonation of Mox fuel is much worse than a hydrogen bomb. Why are you comparing apples to oranges?

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      This doesn't look contained to me:

                      Atomic Bomb Test: Underground Blast

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      This doesn't sound like containment:

                      “…In a statement on July 14, 1992, responding to ‘understandable unease’, the Department of Energy in Washington asserted the relationship between nuclear testing and earthquakes is ‘nonexistent.’ Yet common sense would suggest the cumulative effect of so may nuclear tests around the world would leave the planet at least somewhat shaken. Indeed in 1956, Estes Kefauver, then Democratic Vice-Presidential candidate, warned, ‘H bomb tests could knock the earth 16 degrees off its axis!’ He was simply ignored.
                      “However, in a study twenty years later by two Japanese scientists, entitled Recent Abnormal Phenomena on Earth and Atomic Power Tests, Shigeyoshi Matsumae, President of Tokai University, and Yoshio Kato, Head of the University's Department of Aerospace Science concluded:
                      “’Abnormal meteorological phenomena, earthquakes and fluctuations of the earth's axis are related in a direct cause-and-effect to testing of nuclear devices. . . . Nuclear testing is the cause of abnormal polar motion of the earth. By applying the dates of nuclear tests with a force of more than 150 kilotons, we found it obvious that the position of the pole slid radically at the time of the nuclear explosion. . . . Some of the sudden changes measured up to one meter in distance.’
                      “Not quite Kefauver's 16 degrees off the axis; but not entirely reassuring either. Two years later, on 12 October 1978, the British New Scientist reported:
                      “’Geophysicists in…

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      “’Geophysicists in Germany and England believe the 1978 earthquake in Tabas, Iran, in which at least twenty-five thousand people were killed, may have been triggered by an underground nuclear explosion. . . . British seismologists believe the Tabas earthquake implies a nuclear test that has gone awry. . . . Moreover, a seismic laboratory in Uppsala, Sweden, recorded a Soviet nuclear test of unusual size–ten megatons–at Semipalitinsk only thirty-six hours before. . . . One German scientist specifically implicated this test in the origin of Tabas disaster. ‘…”

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  This is not a quote of my words: "detonation strength containment design. " I've never said that. You much be quoting yourself again.

                  • TimV

                    What does name calling get anyone?
                    Stop personal attacts,no one is helped it only makes higher thicker walls that have to then be broken down to get back on track.
                    If the Swiss buried a reactor gone bad in a mountain by blowing up cave entries than I say my idea of making a mountain over FD is the KISS answer for now. So it will take 10/20 years. Any reduction of emission is better. Don't forget to fracking underground water with attenuating agents from headwaters.Add gumming agents too slow water movement. Then massive new harbor to help contain.
                    Right now we need to be in action.
                    There is no "ray gun" to zap isotopes into nothingnes. Mechanical we can start,
                    SCIENCE -CATCH UP!!!
                    WE CAN TRY OR WISH WE HAD.
                    YOUR A LIAR,NO YOU ARE A LIAR -little children.
                    Start what we can do and redue when cleanup technology is more advanced.
                    Anyone who thinks the ants of this world are not being watched from "outside" is fooling themselves.
                    Engage,engage, engage!!!
                    Stop the infighting before it leads to inbreeding!!!

                  • Bill Duff

                    Listen up VanneV MORON. You cannot WIN an argument against established technical definitions of terms. Nor can EWE prevail against long-established mechanical engineering construction and testing standards. Every technical (polymath) on Planet Earth will ALWAYS LAUGH at your dumbbass.

                    • GreenRenew GreenRenew

                      BD, I will report every comment of yours that I see that contains a personal attack. There's no place for it and you are too stubborn to listen to many others on here imploring you to stop. So, either you voluntarily stop the attacks or perhaps the Admin will do it for you.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Go for it GR.

                    • TimV

                      Your righteous attitude is counter productive -period.
                      Right now you are driving people away.
                      You are tightenin this Gordian knot.

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Poor Bill gets so flustered when he gets called out. Get a grip. The only thing that is containment for nuclear is our biosphere….sadly. Engineers are as smart as the institutionalized garbage they are fed. Try looking past your face.
                      VanneV runs circles around you…does that drive you crazy?

                    • Bill Duff

                      Listen UP LOSERS, FACT, SCIENCE & Physical Reality SHOULD BE defended by ALL available means.

                    • Bill Duff

                      Valid technical and economic arguments MAY substantially reduce operational nuclear reactors. Lying and whining will NOT.

                    • earthsmith earthsmith

                      Exactly…..and the science and facts point to nuclear never being able to be contained or stored or safe and that would be NEVER (I notice how you like to emphasize..)
                      So your point is????
                      Oh yeah,whining…almost forgot you are a PRO at that

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      ABill is trying to drive people away. That is his goal.

                    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                      TYPO: Bill is trying…

                  • Bill Duff

                    Dumbasssus ES: Arnie Gunderson is devoted to making civilian nuclear power reactors safer.

                    NEVER is a longdamn time.

                • Bill Duff

                  The depth was far below the fresh water table. The shale reservoir contained mostly hydrocarbon fluids; rather than salt water. Very LOW permeability in SHALE, that is the problem, which requires fracking, to begin with.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    What Does Everyday Courage Look Like?
    De 12 2014

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose


    Dec 12 2014

    "The former CEO of five businesses, Margaret Heffernan explores topics like conflict avoidance and selective blindness — things that lead managers and organizations astray. In her book Willful Blindness, Margaret Heffernan examines why businesses and the people who run them often ignore the obvious — with consequences as dire as the global financial crisis and Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear disaster."

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    The cognitive issues of the Humans species ..absolutely must be addressed.

  • Bill Duff

    It is a GIVEN, that the gawdamn Japanese Government, Barack Obama and the REST of The Nuclear Village have LIED to ALL of us, about EVERY Aspect of the ONGOING FDNPS disasters, from the GetGo.

    We are merely bringing our personal bag of tricks to bear on the available, contradictory, deliberately deceptive, information; and ARRIVING at our best PERSONAL assessment of the FACTS.

  • Bill Duff

    OK CodeShutDown Smartasss, DETAIL your FDNPS disaster assessment.

    • Bill, how is the weather in DC, are you really a physicist?

      • Bill Duff

        The Houston, Texas weather was sunny and beautiful all day.

        Washington DC is a shittholee; populated in the main, by pompous, lying arses.

        I have not visited DC in a decade; and that was mostly to tour the Smithsonian.

    • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

      Bill, I welcome insightful views of any perspective. When you say "Blown up building at the FDNPS Unit-4, indicates inadequate General Electric Building Design" you disqualify yourself from being on my engineering staff! (containment of disaster is not solution to disaster.) When you say I have irrational fears about the consequence of Fukushima and make an analogy to a bullet or two, you seal your failed resume.

      You are a pro nuke person masquerading as anti nuke, and possibly here on a damage control mission. You believe we should have nuclear "just in case" and as a military force. Well that is exactly why we are in the dire situation we find ourselves.

      Plus, you are rude and call people names. Heres one for you, try it on for size; Bogus Bill

      I have made a few efforts to quantify Fukushima. Consequences of the Fukushima tragedy can be somewhat inferred from Chernobyl, the nuclear test era and experts in the field. A conservative estimate says 100 million people will die. But there are secondary effects; If the ocean is really dying off, the dire effects will not be directly from alpha beta and gamma. That is an extinction level event. It appears to be happening, regardless of the causative factors.

      • Bill Duff

        You believe that a global ELE has ALREADY occurred … Are we already ALL Dead in your world?

        What color is the sky in your world? Our sky is blue.

        • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

          thats bogus Bill. I was making a distinction about secondary effects. But you no doubt saw the paper that showed orca would have morbid levels of radiation based on a model of 1/14 what is measured now. Other models show levels increasing for some years. That means an extinction level event is on for Orcas. If thats not bad enough, can humans be unaffected?

          My sky is grey blue, but drops tears for the suffering unleashed.

          • Bill Duff

            Californians, should be relocating their children and pregnant women east of the Rockies, or at the very least 50 miles inland. Same for Oregon, Washington, Baja and Sonora.

            I think North Pacific Islanders should be offered evacuation and damages for their health and economic losses. But if they want to stay, I would not force them to leave. It is their happyarse and their decision.

            South Pacific Orcas and Indian Ocean Orcas will eventually head into the void. They did not suffer the 2011 MASSIVE doses. So their cumulative radiation damages will probably be survivable.

            • Jebus Jebus

              You agree then on the initial event. MASSIVE.

              The legal aspect for humans will be surfacing soon.

              As for those species left, it is not a simple matter to relocate to an environment that they have not acclimated to for generations. Sure, any adaptive invasive species will take hold. But this is no solution to natures evolutionary practices and is no guarantee of viability. There are many dependent species and many species dependent upon any species. A chain breaks at the weakest link and the local ecosystem drops out of viability when just one link goes missing. The possibility of an ocean ecosystem collapsing is very real here. Any recovery spans decades with no guarantees.

              Just what constitutes an ELE?

              One species or many?

              • Bill Duff

                Snuffing the North Pacific Fishery is a really big deal and at the very least it is seriously wounded. I think dead-meat is a fair projection, for lots of species that are exclusively in the North Pacific.

                And the migratory species that pass through the contaminated regions are going to take a serious hit as well. I dont know the exclusively Pacific migratory birds or the North Pacific exclusive resident birds. But their chances are probably somewhere between slim and none.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              East of the Rockies there is still stall spray from the ocean. Scientifically observed. No one is safe from nuclear disasters.

            • Bio accumulation and bio concentration goes on for DECADES.

              This is not a one time event and then everything gets better from there.

              Everything goes downhill and gets worse as the genetic damage and decay grows with each generation.

              Your predication that something will survive is premature.

              The experiment is in progress.

              No one is looking at the genetic DNA chain to track the progress of the damage in all living things.

              The focus is on how to 'profit' from the destruction.

              DNA research is focused on selling things to people damaged by modern technology, including GMO, radiation, heavy metals, chemicals, and synthetic hormones.

              The new DNA God is coming to augment the 'old' God, Rad.

        • irhologram

          Well, BD, pink and purple sky is what I've seen in FL for the last month…since you brought it up. You might try looking at Ontological's photobucket postings above of Colors of the new "Sky" and the elements that produce them. Or you might just try looking up at various times of day, observing light refraction. If your sky truly is still blue now…watch. Be aware of changes. Keep in your memory what it used to look like. And please stop the venal, flaming comments. They are changing my perception of your motives.

  • cosmic charlie cosmic charlie

    Meanwhile the congresstazi pass a trillion dollar budget that greases the skids for unlimited mass survelance of the people's communications. Time to quit feeding the cancer. Turn off your cable tv if you already have not. Turn off the internet (use free wifi at the library). Give all your extra stuff to charity and deduct it from your taxes. Lower your taxable income to the extent that you can. Stop your car on the freeway during the morning rush hour. Practice passive economic militancy. Feel good for a change.

  • Bill Duff

    I do not oppose ANY form of citizen response against the Uni-Party. In fact I welcome such responses with open arms.

    If you block a Freeway, the irate drivers will probably stomp yer gutsout, if they can catch you.

    • HoTaters HoTaters

      If someone stopped on the freeway in my neighborhood, the local commuters would play chicken just for grins and giggles.

      But I get what you're saying, Cosmic Charlie. Just thought that was a funny comment.

      • HoTaters HoTaters

        kind of like playing chicken down by the railroad tracks, non?

        Hey, can we all take the vitriol down a bit?

        Ah yes, another fine weekend in cyber land.

        I'm reminded of why I like to stay out of these tiffs ….

    • That is exactly what is happening in China, on a tiny little island where a few students and others are blocking traffic in the name of democracy and freedom.

  • rogerthat

    On the subject of Unit 4:

    1. Tepco has never released video footage of the explosion(s)? and fire(s) that ripped it apart. In the NRC FOIA transcripts this was briefly discussed and the NRC didn't think they would get to see the footage either.

    2. There were several photographs showing what appeared to be molten corium slumped out of the side of the building a few floors up from the ground. This has never been mentioned by anyone in authority anywhere, let alone discussed or explained.

    3. The major high-heat destruction happened above the toolshed, not above the spent fuel pool. This has also not been mentioned or discussed by anyone in authority.

    4. Heat sensors showed high heat in the spent fuel pool, the toolshed and the reactor core that was supposed to be empty. None of this has been discussed or explained by anyone in authority.

    5 In the NRC transcripts, when ''Unit 4 SFP zirc fire, catastrophe'' was being discussed, the words ''400 REM'' were used, i think as an extrapolation of what could be expected. That's the last we heard of that.

    6. Tepco photoshopped some pictures of the building in the early days to obscure something at the side of the building near the base. To this day, no-one knows what they photoshopped out.

    7. Tepco at first said that the fire in Unit 4 was a fuel-oil fire. Where was the fuel-oil kept? Then they said hydrogen from Unit 3 flowed into Unit 4 through pipes connecting the buildings. But the pipes had already…

  • Bill Duff

    Some of the TEPCO film footage showed a trail where corium had flowed down into a hole in the ground. I watched hours of that footage when it was released. But of course the Mendacity Media NEVER said jackieshiit about any of these things.

  • Bill Duff

    Too bad the Blue States did not elect an actual liberal, humanitarian and environmentalist.

    A MASSIVE, intelligent response to the 311 earthquake would have prevented MOST of the FDNPS disaster. Obama and Former Prime Minister Naoto Kan DID mismanage the response. Suing Abe, who is otherwise a lying arse, will not change that fact.

    Former Prime Minister Naoto Kan sued Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Tuesday for defamation, saying he had no grounds to accuse him of mismanaging the disaster at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.

  • Bill Duff

    Former Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Barack Hussein Obama TOTALLY FuckiedUP the FDNPS response.

    Just as Barack Hussein Obama TOTALLY FuckiedUP the BP Macondo response.

    The pattern of total environmental disaster from marginal technical challenges, exacerbated these surmountable technical concerns into MEGA DISASTERS of the highest order.

    FUBAR & SNAFU DEFINITIONS should include Barack Hussein Obama's photo in the future. IMHPO

  • Bill Duff

    Obama and Kan were the two most incompetent Fokkers in Human History, when the chips were down at Fukushima.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    OT..I guess..

    Japan Meteorological Agency raised volcanic alert level 80km from Fukushima plant / “Don’t approach the crater”
    Dec 12 2014

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose


    March 2011 earthquake caused 5 volcanoes to sink, study finds

    "The seismologists, Youichiro Takada and Yo Fukushima, at the university’s Disaster Prevention Research Institute, analyzed data gathered by the observation satellite Daichi and the Global Positioning System, to look at crustal deformation caused by the earthquake.

    Takada and Fukushima, both assistant professors, found that the surface of some parts of five volcanoes sank 5 to 15 centimeters in ellipse-shaped rings extending 15 to 20 kilometers.

    The mountains–Akita-Komagatake, Kurikomayama, Zaozan, Azumayama and Nasudake–are located close to the tectonic plate boundary where the magnitude-9.0 earthquake occurred."

    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      Ka wa yamai
      Go shichi ga ame ni
      Yotsu hideri
      Matsu yalsu-doki wa
      Kaze to shiru-beshi

      An old Japanese poem about the timing of earthquakes.

      At twelve o'clock it means disease,
      At eight or four 'tis rain,
      At ten tis' drought, while six and two,
      Of wind are tokens plain.

  • Bill Duff

    Arnie Gunderson discussing reactor & containment pressure designs.

    We talked about in a previous podcast, that Unit III is so damaged now as a result of the explosion, that it can no longer handle the crane used to lift the nuclear fuel out of the fuel pool. That damage was caused not by a deflagration, but by a detonation. And yet, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission pretends that that cannot happen here. Well, it did happen. And if it did happen, that means it can happen again. So our containment analysis needs to reflect the fact that a shock wave traveling faster than the speed of sound can occur as the result of a hydrogen explosion.

    Now. this is not just a problem with the old Mark I designs. The AP 1000’s brand new design being built in Georgia are a tenth of a pound from the design limit of the containment and they do not assume a detonation shock wave. When a containment is so close to the design limit, if it did have a detonation shock wave like we know can occur, it would shatter the containment. This is a lesson the nuclear industry needs to learn and needs to analyze for and strengthen it’s operating containments moving forward.

    – See more at:

  • Bill Duff

    World War I artillery was constructed for detonation pressures and impulses. Only a LYING Luddite, such as VanneV would deny such simple and long-standing engineering designs.

    • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

      Another straw argument. I've never discussed WWI artillery. WWI didn't create nuclear waste all over the place.

      However, I am against all biological and chemical weapons.

      • Bill Duff

        Detonation Standards for Pressure vessel construction are over a century old. VanneV Luddite lies about VanneV Luddite Lies.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          nuclear detonations did not occur not were they possible 100 years ago. There are plenty of examples of buildings destroyed by nuclear detonation. MOX fuel in particular destroys and degrades anything it comes into contact including any containment. So does seawater and salt water.

          Why are you arguing for continuing the nuclear madness?

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          I'm for the new technology: wind power, solar power, geothermal power. Nuclear technology is the Luddite position, not mine.

          • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

            Here is the new world:

            Providing all global energy with wind, water, and solar power, Part I:
            Technologies, energy resources, quantities and areas of infrastructure,
            and materials
            Mark Z. Jacobson
            , Mark A. Delucchi
            Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-4020, USA
            Institute of Transportation Studies, University of California at Davis, Davis, CA 95616, USA


          • Bill Duff

            Automaton spins away from discussion of glowing corium.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              This is all the thread that you initiated.

            • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

              Your discussion of corium is below this thread which you yourself initiated.

              So there is no distraction from the topic of corium at all. Another straw argument.

              • Anne, stop responding to this troll

                His effort is to disgust you so you leave

                Don't fall for it. His idle insults left alone with cause others to fight against nuke…..let them sit

                • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

                  He pretends to be anti-Nuke. Instead he just posts disinformation all the time which is pro-Nuke.

                  So his comments left alone are mostly disinformation, and he is making his supposed anti-Nuke persona look very, very sick to discredit the anti-Nuke community and this website.

                  • CodeShutdown CodeShutdown

                    If Bill is on a covert pro nuke mission, the theme is this; Incompetent corrupt operators/engineers have terribly and obviously caused failure, and if we only change the guard, routing the bad eggs, nuclear will be the safe and useful technology it promised to be, especially incorporating lessons learned.

                    A second theme might be to portray anti nukers as anti government conspirators. A sort of wolf in sheeps clothing infiltration thing. Then after showing himself as knowledgeable and anti nuke, he aims to discredit key bloggers. The overt attack on VanneV is pretty weird for example.

                    But theres a distinct possibility Bill is just an arrogant SOB with his own ideas, limits and a bunch of time to kill.

                    Hey, sounds kinda like me, except I dont have the time….

                    • Bill Duff

                      I intend to END the MOX fuel project and close all civilian nuclear power reactors which are over 40 years old, for starters.

                      The Atoms for Peace program is a total economic engineering failure; and is staggeringly hazardous.

                      Call that Phase 1

                  • Bill Duff

                    VanneV is completely nescient; a repulsive combination of ignorance, stupidity, bile and whining.

        • Dr. Anne Lee Tomlinson Maziar VanneV

          So why was there no containment at Chernobyl?

          Why was there no containment at the Santa Susana reactor?

  • Bill Duff

    Here come the predicted troll attack, when glowing corium is discussed.

    "The Nuclear Village Trolls and Shills just raisehelll any time I mention that glowing red hot corium. But we are all used to their tactics, by now.

  • Sam Sam

    It is pointless and diversionary tactic to dwell on
    detonation, deflagration, containment issues with
    nuclear at this juncture in the Nuclear Tragedy ongoing.
    It is a stupid way to boil water to produce steam to
    turn turbines. There is absolutely no safe way to
    contain and make safe the nuclear waste products.
    Nuclear generating plants are ticking nuclear bombs
    Unit 3 Fukushima. Case closed!. Arguing anything
    else re; minutiae is just plain brain stupid. Close them
    all down. Shame on Russia for building ten plants in India.
    Shame on China for going hung ho with nuclear. Shame on
    USA and all of Europe as well. We all have unfortunately
    gone off the cliff.

  • Jebus Jebus

    The irony is we now know how to provide all the energy we need from natural sources that have been there all along.

    There is no need for fossil or nuclear commercialy.

    It's obvious. Unless you like war.

    Storage will make these obsolete.

    Look at what bullshit is happening today. Literally.

    Arab and US oil price wars.

    Market confidence tanks.

    Nothing to rake off the top.

    Has always been a call to arms.

    That's where the nuclear risk jumps up a few notches.

    I think we are in a rut…

  • Epiphany —

    Fuku 4 was ALSO a MOX related nuclear explosion. Thats why they never released the video.

    Slam dunk

    stock out.

  • Bill Duff

    The DEFINITIONS of detonation-supersonic and deflagration-subsonic explosions are certain.

  • Bill Duff

    Pressure vessel construction STANDARDS to CONTAIN pressure & explosions are a century old.

  • Vorith

    Thanks for the notice! Accident at Fukushima.

  • Bill Duff

    The KNOWN deficiencies of the General Electric Mark-1 Containment Architecture have been documented for decades.

    The entire FDNPS suffered a loss of primary heat sink, from earthquake, tsunami and debris.

    Station Blackout eliminated backup & redundancy systems.

    Explosion 1, DEFLAGRATION: The FDNPS Unit-1 failure was reportedly an above design limit pipe rupture, from the earthquake seismic forces. Fuel cooling failed immediately, accelerating meltdown.

    Explosion 2, DETONATION: The FDNPS Unit-3 failure, was ACCELERATED due to hotter, less controllable MOX Fuel. Neutron TRANSMUTATION of stable structural metals to radioisotopes ABSOLUTELY defines the FDU-3 as an atomic blast.

    Explosion 3, Deflagration: The FDNPS Unit-2 meltdown had no identified accelerating factors.

    Explosion 4 Deflagration, The FDNPS Unit-4 reactor was reportedly unloaded for months, for remodeling and refueling. The Unit-4 reactor should be intact, if that is factual. Therefore, Unit-4 explosions are considered to be ex vessel and outside of the Mark-1 Containment volume.

    These would be the FACTS pointed to by the evidence. I doubt there is much RESPONSIBLE, TECHNICAL debate remaining about these summarized findings. It is necessary to start with some assumed factual model. That is my personal model.

  • rogerthat


    FRIDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2014

    Very Strange Phenomena on Fukushima Daiichi Cam 1

    – rays, glowing green gas, a purple people eater … Fukushima is alive and happening

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    U.S. In The Hotseat Because Of Convention On Nuclear Safety, Described “Biggest Obstacle” To World Security
    Dec 13 2014

    "But the U.S., according to the report, doesn't want the European proposal solely because "an attempt to amend the convention could weaken the rules, because some governments would be slow to ratify changes." Allison Macfarlane, chairman of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, said the proposal could all the more "damage" global nuclear safety because it's a "difficult and long time-consuming process."

    "Senators Barbara Boxer and Edward Markey, in a Dec 3 Senate testimony, said they find the U.S. resistance to the European safety proposals a "serious concern." The report said what the U.S. wants is for the treaty signatories to just "reaffirm" their commitments to undergo rigorous peer reviews from international nuclear regulators."

    It's the good old USA…again.

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    NRA head signals massive release of tainted water to help decommission Fukushima site
    Dec 13 2014

    To 'help decommission' is called ..DUMPING.

    • ISeePinkClouds

      Yes. Heart of the Rose. TY. It is important that they dump the highly radioactive water in the tanks into the ocean so that they can put more highly radioactive water in the tanks to dump into the ocean. It is all part of decommissioning…the Pacific Ocean. Peace

  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Here he is head nuclear lunatic himself..

    Conca ..jumping up and down.. because some moronic 'greenies' in Germany think that it makes a nice protest against global warming.
    And here we are full tilt description of a nuclear disaster that has already occurred..

    You Can Now Buy 100% Nuclear Energy — In Germany!
    Dec 12 2014

    Slow down there already had a chance to ride..(Being involved in the nuclear industry in New Mexico..and considering how poorly WIPP is turning out..)

    I'd shut my trap…

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