Major Website: Mystery cloud of dangerous iodine-131 over Europe is absolutely cause for concern — Certainly deserves more than 129 words by IAEA

Published: November 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm ET


Radioactive Particles Are Spreading Across Europe and Nobody Knows Why, Gizmodo (#260 in US), Nov. 15, 2011:

[…] So how would [the postulated reasons of pharmaceutical companies or nuclear submarines or transportation of radioactive materials] explain contamination that spans hundreds and hundreds of miles?

The International Atomic Energy Agency says “the current trace levels of iodine-131 that have been measured do not pose a public health risk,” but we’ve heard that so many times before. It’s not a cause for panic, but an unexplained cloud of dangerous radioactivity is absolutely cause for concern. It certainly deserves more than 129 words on the IAEA’s website. [Reuters]

Published: November 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm ET


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82 comments to Major Website: Mystery cloud of dangerous iodine-131 over Europe is absolutely cause for concern — Certainly deserves more than 129 words by IAEA

  • Grampybone Grampybone

    DENY DENY DENY! The IAEA will not admit anything about Fukushima releases. I don’t expect them too either. With so little pressure to act on the contamination the IAEA believes it is exempt from providing information. The agency has its eyes on Iran with no regard for ongoing nuclear events. The Iodine cloud is clearly from recent fission events dating back 16 days considering the half life of Iodine is 8 days it will take 16 days for complete decay. Once its gone the IAEA can claim it has no responsibility. These organizations for nuclear safety are actually just nuclear promotion platforms. Pathetic.

    • HamburgGeiger

      Hi Grampybone,

      sorry, you are wrong. After one half life half of the shit is gone, after another half life half of the left half is gone. So you still have a quarter. And so on. It takes 10 cycles until you can say the decay is complete.

      • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

        Absolutely HG.

      • Grampybone Grampybone

        I realize that it takes multiple cycles to decay the thing is the industry has the right to deny that particles are dangerous after the first cycle. It’s effed up that they have the right to do so considering Iodine’s complete decay would occur after 64 days. Thanks for clarifying for everyone the rate of fission product decay. This means that cesium will be around for 150 years or so.

        • Caesium-137, with a half-life of 30 years should be around for 300 years. Problem is, on this site we’ve discussed how they’re finding that the half-life is much longer at Chernobyl – and they don’t know why.

          So, if the half-life is now 300 years, it’ll be around for 3,000 years.

          [from Wikipedia]

          Cs-137 is a radioactive isotope of caesium which is formed as a fission product by nuclear fission.
          It has a half-life of about 30.17 years,[3] and decays by beta emission to a metastable nuclear isomer of barium-137: barium-137m (137mBa, Ba-137m). (About 95 percent of the nuclear decay leads to this isomer. The other 5.0 percent directly populates the ground state, which is stable.) Ba-137m has a half-life of about 153 seconds, and it is responsible for all of the emissions of gamma rays. One gram of caesium-137 has an activity of 3.215 terabecquerel (TBq).[4]

        • Grampybone Grampybone

          Well I guess that means there will be a wasteland in Japan for an estimated 3000 years + however long it takes for plutonium and uranium to decay. What was the word for that again? Eternity right?

      • dosdos dosdos

        Well, to be factual, it depends on the initial amount and how dispersal is taking place as to how many half lives it takes to dissipate into the background level. If you have a background of 50 bequerels per cubic meter, and you have a release of 800 bequerels per cubic meter in a closed system, it will take four cycles. If you have 12,800 bequerels per cubic meter, it will take eight cycles. If you have 1,638,400 bequerels per cubic meter, it will take 15 cycles. If you have an open system with dispersal due to wind currents, it takes fewer cycles.

        It’s not a set number of cycles, no blanket rule of thumb, it’s the fading to background level. How intense the release is, what sort of dispersal mechanics exist, and the half life duration determines the time for dissipation.

    • If they do Iran, that means more DU victims, among soldiers, and the people in Europe.

      Not to mention birth deformities, leukemia, cancer among the general population (where the largest number of deaths will occur).

      Southern Iraq has a sevenfold increase in those.

      What’s the use of conquering countries if you can’t inhabit them afterwards? Is Obama really this dumb?

      • arclight arclight

        hi pu i think it was in the lost info but there were 3 seperate accounts of beta… you dont think that as well as iodine weve been measuring beta because of the du….that would explain the beta anomolies and maybe the site crash??
        just an observation

        maybe there are two incidents of contamination!

      • Grace Grace

        Hi Pu – you’re back ! they do not want to colonise these countries, only to deplete them of resources, minerals and oil.
        I have been protesting at my local nuclear power plant again, I do this about twice a week and extend the debate into the local town, people are starting to open up 🙂
        Keep fighting – love and light to enewsers.

  • ocifferdave

    Help. I wrote the four people that my priest wants more info from (he wants me to collaborate with them and then give him the info at the end of the week). I put out an email that I will get back to them with links. I need help finding links on the following and any other you think can help doctors, scientists, professors of chemistry, etc. Here’s an excerpt from my email:

    I will write back to you soon (today or tomorrow) with links (NYTimes, JapanTimes, Universities, Goverment, Tepco, etc) to the following information for us to discuss:

    -EPA radioactive isotope findings in rainwater/drinking water, cows milk on the West Coast and Philly

    -(CDC data) Infant mortality rates spiked after Fukushima comparied to previous four years during same time of year on West Coast and Philly

    -Interview with Gorbachev where he explains potential loss of Europe if Chernobyl nuclear corium hit groundwater and exploded

    -Fukushima nuclear corium triple meltdown and melt-throughs explosive potential if it hits groundwater or bedrock

    -Nuclear fuel pool in building four at Daichi is damaged and in a precarious position to fall, and if it does that scientists believe Tokyo will be evacuated and surrounding nations (ie downwind USA) will have national security emergencies

    -Radioactive Xenon gas has continously been released from Fukushima that half-lifes down to Cesium, a known element that attaches itself to muscle tissue and disrupts the bioelectrical current in the hearts of children and causes heart attacks

    Guys, I’ll be checking back here later (and my other previous post concerning this endevor). Time to get the house ready for the real estate agent’s first visit.


  • blah

    The french institute for radiological protection has also detected the a level of iodine-131 :

    They have issued a report with values measured in different places of the country

    Albeit very low level which can be seen as not harmful (as for countries which have already reported it), the concentration must be much higher close to the place from where iodine131 is emmited 🙁
    That’s obviously a compelling reason for finding out the source.

    • strAtum5

      We still do not know how low “that low” has to be so that it won’t trigger health issues. According to physicians, high Iodine doses kill thyroid cells (but usually no or very little genetic mutation), however with low doses is the other way around – they don’t kill the cells but cause cancer in most cases …

  • radegan

    Interesting idea on this before the posts were erased – not me, so if I fail to recall it all, poster, chime back in. The poster postulated that unfallen fallout in the atmosphere, namely cesium, was reacting with solar flares to produce the Iodine 131. Certainly the dispersion of Fuku emitted cesium across the northern hemisphere is well documented, so that might explain the vast area this mystery iodine is falling upon, if such a reaction is possible which is well beyond my chemistry background. Of course, Fuku, can also explain it, but only if it was carried transpolar, thus missing detection in the US and Canada and suddenly showing up in Europe. Of course, lack of candor on the part of our many governments that protect us could also account for no ‘transit’ measurements for the iodine through the US en route to Europe. And of course there was the Poles blaming some unnamed reactor in Pakistan, a good 2,000 miles downwind from Poland.

    • Bobby1

      Potrblog has a video about spallation of cesium by solar emissions, which produces iodine. Apparently there would would be a lot more I-123 and 125 than 131 produced by this, but it’s hard to find measurements of these isotopes.

    • James Tekton James Tekton

      Hello R,

      It is so blatantly obvious.

      We knew there was some kind of fission or reactions going on after tepco reported something to that effect was happening almost 48 hours after it happened on 11-2-11.

      We also saw higher than normal readings from many folks that took rain measurements in the estimated time periods we knew the wave would hit the west coast. We knew that this WAVE would hit Europe eventually but not exactly when.

      Now we know.

  • arclight arclight

    Andermatt, Switzerland

    178 nSv/h
    All over the south and mid….higher readings?

  • arclight arclight

    watch radiation sweeping over europe in the last three months here here!!

    • Iaato Iaato

      That’s amazing, Arclight. I’m staying with my hypothesis. France is upwind, powers with nukes (80%), is playing with MOX fuel at Marcoule, which recently blew up, and is in serious economic trouble. It is interesting to me how quiet the Swiss are about fallout. I guess they have no choice but to deny the problem.

      • arclight arclight

        spain was upwind too!?? 🙂

        • Iaato Iaato

          Just on the basis of relative volume, I’m going to vote for France, especially since Spain offloads overflow waste to France (Marcoule, again, for example).

          • arclight arclight

            really interesting article there iatto!

            “The waste that is treated at El Cabril comes mostly from Spanish nuclear power plants, although the site also stores medical material and waste from hospitals, research centers and certain industrial sectors. Its history as a waste storage facility began in 1961, when the Nuclear Energy Commission started taking drums of radioactive waste there to store them in a uranium mine.

            Low and very low-level waste can occasionally be incinerated, either to reduce its volume before storage or as a final treatment solution. But the real headache is posed by high-level waste management, including spent fuel from nuclear power plants, which remain radioactive for thousands of years.

            In the more than 40 years that Spain has had nuclear technology, nobody has come up with a solution for at least the next 100 years. In the early 1980s, spent fuel from Santa María de Garoña, Burgos province, was sent to Britain. In 1989, when a fire led to the shutdown of Vandellòs I (Tarragona), the residue was dispatched to France, since Spain lacked a disposal facility. That particular shipment – 13 cubic meters of high-level waste and 665 cubic meters of intermediate-level waste – should have returned to Spain this year, but in two decades no government has been able to build a unified storage site to keep all of Spain’s discarded radioactive material. A year ago, Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero made a public request for volunteer municipalities willing to play host to a storage facility for the next 70 years.”

            kinda paints a picture of a desperate nuclear situation with waste.. worrying but does connect the two coutries … el cabril seems like it sticks out like a sore thumb! need to do some non internet research there i think!! thanks for the heads up!!

  • arclight arclight

    Kocevje: 167 nSv/h
    Datum in ura zadnje meritve: 16.11.2011 17:30:00

  • arclight arclight

    for norway

    check out bergen!!….youve been sucking it up the first two weeks of novemner!! soft cheese? nei!!

  • arclight arclight


    still showing elevated iodine pulses on this water monitor fron criirad

    an update from criirad

    “Measurements carried out in Europe

    The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) announced on November 11, 2011 that iodine 131 was detected on very low levels in the ambient air in Central Europe “these last days”.

    The site of the office of state for Czech nuclear safety stated on November 11 that iodine traces 131 pennies forms particulate and gas were detected during the two last weeks on a very low level (µBq/m3 or microBecquerels per m3) [source:]
    Low iodine 131 levels would have been also measured in the north of Germany, in Hungary like in other European countries at the beginning of November or at the end of October.

    The national agency of Polish atomic energy (PAA) indicated for example on November 14 to have detected iodine 131 (some microbecquerels per m3) to the level of 6 measuring sites on collected samples of air of the 17 at October 24. The activity lies between 0,5 and 13,3 µBq/m3. A detection is also mentioned on 3 stations, of the 24 at October 31 (0,5 to 4,6 µBq/m3) and 2 stations of October 31 to November 7 (3,1 and 4,6 µBq/m3).


    And this

    • arclight arclight

      “There is urgency to determine the origin of the contamination

      Most alarming is the fact that several weeks after the beginning of the contamination, no authority, neither with the international level, nor at the national level of some country that it either, was able to indicate the origin of the contamination. There is urgency because the populations close to the source could have been and to be still exposed with important amounts.

      Being the iodine 131 rejected into the atmosphere, the amounts undergone by ingestion in the days following the rejection can be higher than those related to the inhalation. Useless irradiations can thus be still prevented if the populations concerned are informed and that protection measures are taken.”
      “Call to sign the petition for the lifting of the secrecy on the results of the global area network of control of the atmospheric radioactivity

      In the context of the catastrophe of Fukushima in March 2011, the CRIIRAD had denounced opacity concerning the results of monitoring of the atmospheric radioactivity carried out by global area network TICEN, however financed by the Member States with public money. The CRIIRAD required that these data be made public to facilitate the management of the consequences of Fukushima or any other future contamination. The citizens answered this request massively since one counts more than 84 000 signatories. But it is important that the citizens continue to mobilize themselves so that the things change because the secrecy always prevails.

      To sign the petition:

      Drafting: B Chareyron, person in charge of the laboratory of the CRIIRAD, on November 15, 2011

      More here

  • arclight arclight

    lest we forget

    “Regarding the results expressed in Bq/kg of soil, most of them are higher than the limit fixed by the Japanese authorities at 5 000 Bq/kg for agriculture. Rice cannot be cultivated.

    The data expressed in Bq/m² can be compared to the definition of the zones in Byelorussia after the Chernobyl disaster (law of 1991) :
    185 000 – 555 000 Bq/m²: migration allowed
    555 000 – 1 480 000 Bq/m²: right to rehousing

    Most of the results are higher than one of these limits.”

    heres the raw data

  • arclight arclight

    just joking! 🙂 nice article about water Desalination though 🙂

  • Whoopie Whoopie

    F**K F**K F**K FUCK!
    I’m over 60 and I am so pissed about THIS!
    How did this ever happen!?!?!?!??!
    I KNOW how!! ME and others just like me!! I WAS ASLEEP DURING THE FUCKING BUILDUP OF NUCLEAR so I blame myself!!
    GLOBAL HOLOCAUST!!! God damn it!

    • Whoopie Whoopie

      I can’t stand living here any longer…as it is turning into a fascist state. Whether I can leave is a whole other story….
      Right now, I’m READING A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn 2010
      “You want the truth!?!? You want the TRUTH?!?! You can’t handle THE TRUTH!!”
      Alas…I feel I’m in a nightmare where I will never wakeup…

  • I’m so selfishly glad I don’t have children and never will.

  • jimbojamesiv

    There are a lot of survivalist types here, yes?

    You know the tea-party, libertarian types who think the Jews caused 9/11 and buy lots of gold, or claim that paper money is unconstitutional, yes?

    It truly worries me that the anti-nuke crowd has a lot of the teabagging type. I mean no offense. It’s actually quite fascinating, how interests can sometimes collide, even though on some issues, the divide is ginormous.

  • nuckelchen nuckelchen

    i had just read the last comment,
    but what the hell you talking about?
    survivalist types?

    we have a new nuclear problem here in europe and you talk about what?

    • Nuckelchen said “damn,
      we have a new nuclear problem here in europe and you talk about what?”
      Yes exactly. Just another troll to add to our collection.
      Iodine 131 is a sign of recent fission. Could be from Fukushima Pakistan or? Not from outer space or medical supplies, I don’t think. The “experts” on mainstream may as well tell us it is waste from a martian flying saucer. You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time.

      God Bless

  • Jebus Jebus

    Just a thought here…and a couple of questions.

    When was the last “non criticality” event that Tepco admitted to?

    How many days was that from last week when trace amounts of I-131 were “noticed” in Europe?

    Remember the hole in the side of #2?

    I noticed in tokyobrowntabby’s rendition of the Tepco “open house” field trip, that never was #2 shown or allowed to be filmed.

    Did #2 have such a large criticality that enormous amounts of I-131 was produced blasting a mud, soil, water, and steam hole into the side from underground?

    Because the corium has left the building and hit the groundwater?

    Given the fact that the radiation detectors in europe and elsewhere are super sensitive.

    Add to that, the citizen detected elevated readings in US at that time (week before halloween) and the elevated sporadic readings from the shitty, useless, “broken” US RadNet.

    If this was a large enough amount of I-131, and given that 10 cycles are needed to fully decay I-131, taking 60 to 80 days.

    Also the fact that the IAEA ALWAYS says that the I-131 is NOT from Fukushima.

    Could these trace amounts of I-131 be the last remnants of a criticality so enormous, that it finally made it’s way to Europe and was detected in varying quantities?

    Just a thought…????

    • arclight arclight

      the 3 month movie of rad lights from germany could agree with your premicse but it does show a plune from mercoule at about the right time a branch of plume hit the uk?? i think i remember the jet stream more north and the prevailing lower winds coming from the south… but the rest is a good posit?

  • arclight arclight


    what do the iaea do exactly ?? well pr and buisness planning

    “Despite the Fukushima Daiichi accident, a large number of countries continue to regard nuclear power as an important option. In fact, the latest IAEA projections show that global use of nuclear power will continue to grow quite significantly in the coming decades, although at a slower pace than in our previous projections. There are 432 operating nuclear power reactors in the world today. Our latest projections suggest that this figure is likely to increase by at least 90 by 2030, and possibly by as much as 350. Asia looks set to remain the main focus of the expansion.

    The factors that contributed to increasing interest in nuclear power before the Fukushima Daiichi accident have not changed: these include increasing global demand for energy, as well as concerns about climate change, volatile fossil fuel prices and security of energy supply. A few countries have decided to scale back, or even terminate, their nuclear power programmes, but many others are proceeding with ambitious expansion plans. In particular, the resolve of many developing countries to introduce nuclear power to meet their increasing energy needs remains undiminished.”

    • arclight arclight

      “Since last Monday, my colleagues and I have provided daily briefings to you on the situation at the Fukushima Daiichi plant.

      We have also briefed the media every day so that the public are kept informed.

      I explained that we are not a “nuclear safety watchdog” and that responsibility for nuclear safety lies with our Member States. The IAEA acts as a hub for international cooperation, helping to establish safety standards and providing expert advice on best practice. But, in contrast to the Agency’s role in nuclear non-proliferation, nuclear safety measures are applied voluntarily by each individual country and our role is supportive.”

      By Peter Kaiser, IAEA Division of Public Information

      • arclight arclight

        where is the quote from the iaea director general saying that if there is one more incident like fukushima (and this before they new of the melt outs???) that the future of the nuclear industry would be in doubt??? cant find it… it was i think in march before mindshare :/ was it redacted?? like to place it here!! 🙂