Published: September 18th, 2012 at 2:34 am ET
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Tracking the complete revolution of surface westerlies over Northern Hemisphere using radionuclides emitted from Fukushima
M.A. Hernández-Ceballos, G.H. Hong, R.L. Lozano, Y.I. Kim, H.M. Lee, S.H. Kim, S.-W. Yeh, J.P. Bolívar, M. Baskaran
Sci Total Environ.
Sep 10 2012
Massive amounts of anthropogenic radionuclides were released from the nuclear reactors located in Fukushima (northeastern Japan) between 12 and 16 March 2011 following the earthquake and tsunami. Ground level air radioactivity was monitored around the globe immediately after the Fukushima accident. This global effort provided a unique opportunity to trace the surface air mass movement at different sites in the Northern Hemisphere.
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The analysis of the air mass forward movements during 12th -16th March showed that the air mass was displaced eastward from the Fukushima area and bifurcated into a northern and a southern branch outside of Japan (Fig. 3). This eastward bifurcation of air masses is in agreement with the simulation of the potential dispersion of the radioactive cloud after the nuclear accident of Fukushima (Weather OnlineWebsite of United Kingdom, UK, 2012).
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The unique global coverage of fallout radiocaesium released from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, particularly a fresh injection of 134Cs and 137Cs to the ground air provided a rare opportunity to observe a complete, uninterrupted revolution of the mid-latitude Surface Westerlies of the northern Hemisphere in late March 2011. This revolution took less than 21 days.
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This work clearly demonstrates how little dissipation occurred during this time due to the nature of the rapid global air circulation system, and the Fukushima radioactive plume contaminated the entire Northern Hemisphere during a relatively short period of time.
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Published: September 18th, 2012 at 2:34 am ET
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'… and the Fukushima radioactive plume contaminated the entire Northern Hemisphere during a relatively short period of time.'
And not a word from the governments of the World. Nice.
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all true Nigwil. Was there anything they – could – have done? There is no sheltering from radioactive gas. Virtually all food and water sources would eventually be contaminated. Some might take measures to protect themselves…for how long?
The only benefit to knowing the truth is that it would be clear to all, nuclear power must be outlawed for use within the planet's biosphere. Had we all been more vocal after Chernobyl, those three plants on the shore of Fukushima might've been moth-balled…long-before 311. I think that's where we've been (and continue to be) most cheated by the silence of these 'governments'…
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Same here in Oregon, had to BEG in some instances, everyone thought I was crazy. The high school was 5 blocks away, and I drove my kid to school on rainy days. The middle school was further away, and it broke my heart to see them all waiting for the bus, in the rain.
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I'm now resigned, saltyfishlvr, to accepting the inevitable consequences of this nightmare. I suppose there's more that can be done to protect people, just can't think what. I'm telling people to filter their water and watch where their food's coming from. Other than that, I don't think it's good for ones mental health, to be facing the prospect of 'early retirement' with each waking day…
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"Was there anything they – could – have done?"
Of course there was, AFTERSHOCK. They know that when Poland gave Potassium Iodide (KI) to their people after Chernobyl there were fewer cases of thyroid cancer than in places nearby that failed to protect their people. Governments didn't even do that.
They could have evacuated people within 200 miles of Fukushima, mobilized an international response of engineers and others, notified the public internationally of testing and modeling results instead of suppressing them, they could have nightly reports on TV as after Chernobyl, etc., etc., etc.!
There are countless actions that governments worldwide should be taking to protect their people. This reads as disinformation.
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The governments of the world are under the impression that low level radiation is harmless. Aftershock is not disinforming. He is saying that once the horses are out of the barn, what can be done is very limited. WE, meaning you and me and every energy user who cares about the planet, should have done something about nuclear power long ago. Germany stopped their program because the citizens demanded it. The government ALWAYS follows the people, never, never the other way around. They do not perceive themselves as innovators, but rather as maintainers of the status quo. It will be another 20 to 30 years before the studies on low level radiation are accepted as common knowledge. Until then, governments will act on the information the majority of scientists support – that radiation is essentially harmless unless you are exposed immediately and directly in substantially large quantities. I live in Oregon. We, as citizens, closed our nuke plant. But, we will be irradiated by Washington's Hanford. So, some of us work on that problem. But, the government is waiting on science to arrive at the solution.
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VicFromOregon
"The government ALWAYS follows the people, never, never the other way around. They do not perceive themselves as innovators, but rather as maintainers of the status quo."
My perception of our government is that they attempt to "brainwash" the public by propaganda. They appear to know exactly how to manipulate the vast majority of the people. Notice how the so called "news" kowtows to the government. They have become actually silly. They may give one or two not totally true pieces of information and the rest is preposterous. Usually they end with cute animal stories. Think of Edward R. Murrow and you will see what I mean about what they have become. Most of the public believes every word they say unfortunately, so propaganda works very well.
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@NoNukes: had this conversation the very first month with others, at work. They were saying it was a done deal and that nothing could be done. I argued exactly what you're saying: that every effort should be made to inform and protect people. Even now, I still believe more lives can be spared if there's a global mobilization. We now know there won't be. As far as those at the top are concerned, Fukushima never occurred.
If these governments refuse to go on record and take action, then its left to us to salvage what can be from this ongoing nightmare. I'm going to resign myself to the harsh reality that no one's coming to rescue us; that it'll be our own ingenuity that does the heavy lifting, from here-on-out.
As Vic has (astutely) pointed out…the die is cast. In more ways than one…it's all on us now…
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Something more.
Anyone with diarhea in april/may last year?
b.
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Fwiw, I was sick the entire month of April, 2011. I specifically remember, because I'd gone shopping for a new car on April 5th, but was unable to follow up until May 3rd, for being sick. Also, my wife came down with Bell's Palsy on April 22nd, 2011.
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God yes.
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Luckily the *shimmering glowy iridescence* of the ocean and beach changing in front of my eyes in the week after FUKU was what originally supported my spending more time learning more about radiation and Japan`s issue after 311. I pointed out what I was seeing on a walk one day with a friend and she could see it clear as day.
It WAS radiation and we were covered with it. She also noticed as I did too how ALL THE SEABIRD(WILDLIFE) we saw were oddly quiet and almost sleepy and not doing any of their usual things…. it was like they were hunkering down in anticipation of a storm or were weathering one.
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Dishonest chicken-hearted people that are part of the problem. I wish them the courage it will take to become part of the solution. I can forgive mistakes if people evolve to the better part of themselves.
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We all live in this one world, and this catastrophic disaster continually hitches a ride on the jet stream.
I still believe some will be luckier than others.
I think this is the last official statement about the radiation that is or so called not coming into the US.
Click>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAfO4fcP8UY
It has been proven that radiation has/is coming into the US, and this should have been addressed to the people.
Disappointed in our candidates, no one has addressed this issue.
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Some are trying but aren't allowed due to TPTB…
http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2012/social-justice.php#EnvironmentalJustice
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p.s. Nuclear Platform:
http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2012/ecological-sustainability.php#Nuclear
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In fact,
The Climate Change platform hits a nail a the head…
http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2012/ecological-sustainability.php#ClimateChange
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Max1, Unfortunately I don't believe the green party has a chance. For the Presidency it is still a two way party race, owned by the same corporations/people through donations and perks. These good old boys stick together.
As we already know, nothing is for free. We have to be blind not to see the protection of the corporations. The public has not been informed like it should be, that the Fukushima radioactive plume contaminated entire Northern Hemisphere during a relatively short period of time. They have been silent about this information.
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It will always and only be a two party race as long as those who would vote third party on moral grounds do not because they fear they are throwing their vote away. In the US, where monied interests primarily control politics and always, always have, the times we have third parties, and we have, is when voters make it so. No institutionalized monied interests will vote against themselves, so they vote for the two parties that give them everything they want.
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Unfortunately VicFromOregon, I agree that..People don't want to throw their vote away. Also, those who have the money interest will support that two party race.
If someone stood up and made a huge stink stating facts and figures in what is happening.
Waking up people stating that the Fukushima radioactive plume contaminated entire Northern Hemisphere during a relatively short period of time, and telling the public of the levels.
Pointing to those who have not brought this to the publics attention.
Have you seen anyone do this?
Writing what you believe isn't going to change the people's vote. They have to get into peoples faces constantly, but then that cost money and who runs the media?
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@WindorSolarPlease
I, for one, have NOT forgotten that the Fukushima radioactive plume contaminated the entire Northern Hemisphere during a relatively short period of time. I imagine that MANY others have also not forgotten and will never vote for another Republican or Democrat. I do intend to vote Green Party. It's hard for me to believe that anyone with a mind would vote for either OB or Romney.
I think this is the time and the hour for people to turn to the third parties for relief. Doesn't anyone notice that the two so called "major" parties and the press ensure that third parties cannot even speak? It's time to show them we the people can.
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Hi NoPrevarication
If you noticed I said unfortunately a lot..There are many who are not in the dark.
However, I still think if the green party doesn't show what they are about, making lots of noise about the environment, facts and figures, getting in the faces of the people, they have no chance of winning.
I would love to see them up and running and pushing their way to the front line.
Look at who they have to push, the heavy contributions that the other two have, and who owns the media. I don't think they have the same advantages that they need, to make a win?
All I am saying is:
I would like to see someone in the running to make a very loud noise in… Fukushima radioactive plume contaminated entire Northern Hemisphere during a relatively short period of time, and what the levels are now. I know I want to see honesty in everything, I don't think we will ever see that.
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@NoPrevarication: "It's hard for me to believe that anyone with a mind would vote for either OB or Romney." Totally agree. Doing the same thing over-and-over and expecting different results…
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Voting for the Green Party is the ONLY vote possible, that is NOT WASTED.
Voting for a Democrat or Republican is a wasted vote, precisely because huge monopolistic corporations control both parties, and their platforms.
The Green Party does NOT accept corporation 'contributions'.
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/GreenParty
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AGreenRoad no vote is wasted, if it is made from your beliefs and conscience. Every vote is important.
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On target as usual.
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21 days and the Northern Hemisphere atmosphere was solidly socked in with radiation:
" This work clearly demonstrates how little dissipation occurred during this time due to the nature of the rapid global air circulation system, and the Fukushima radioactive plume contaminated the entire Northern Hemisphere during a relatively short period of time."
SP: This indicates that any rain or late snow during the first month created the worst hotspots of ground contamination. Coastal ground fog also was highly toxic.
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when the initial blast finally made it's way to our part of the world, I mass-texted everyone (that I knew) that they should avoid going out-into the rain. Most-all of our food's coming from the areas that were hit hardest. Now…I don't say anything to them…
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I know Exactly what you mean. As I watched the reactors explode one by one, I raced to the local drugstore and bought 8 bottles of Iodine and we swabbed our stomachs with it for 2 months. I too, called and txted my family & friends..but their reply was "well..it's not on the news". I was done trying to save "everyone" and being made fun of…oh..gotta go, gotta cut this post short..time to take my spirulina/chorella/nascent iodine/bentonite clay capsules.
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one way or another, Cindy, they've succeeded in turning us into a bunch of 'pill-poppers'…
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+++++++ 1000
Better to be a pill or powder popper, than to silently build up poisonous invisible substances inside, where the work is done, slowly but surely.
Protect yourself, because NO ONE else is going to.
Dr. Blaylock MD – How To Protect Yourself From Nuclear Radiation; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/05/nuclear-radiation-dr-blaylock-md-how-to.html
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Talk about pills-watch out for the Seroquel. It was developed to control scizophrenia, however hospitals and nursing homes give to the elderly-even though the FDA warns against giving this medication to the elderly, saying it may cause death. I have seen too many people put on this medication for no reason and usually the patient becomes very disoriented, their blood pressure can't be controlled when taking seroquel aka quetiapine. It has absolutely no benefits and only causes grave health problems….watch out!
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@many moons: other than an aspirin, I refuse to take any 'modern' chemical compounds into my body. I'm witnessing so many people being slowly destroyed by these pharmaceutical 'miracles'. If you're already doing so, check out Natural News (http://naturalnews.com/) if you're into natural solutions. They post a lot of cutting-edge research on the ill effect of FDA approved drugs.
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Oh I just LOVE Natural News and Mike Adams…again, one of the FEW TRUTHTELLERS!
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Mike is awesome Cindy. He's also a prolific writer. I've flagged him on many cutting-edge stories. He has a lot of courage…
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…BIG… Natural News follower… a great website / information resource.
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Aftershock.. hope it is not bayer aspirin.. they have recently won the award for the biggest toxic air polluter of our planet
http://www.peri.umass.edu/toxicair2012/
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very cool information at this site Cataclysmic. Thanks for the flag! I drilled-down into the Bayer record and was surprised to see all those facilities throughout the United States. I was equally amazed that they exceeded every-other industrial facility in the amount of toxic emissions. Now, I'm curious as to why…
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Pesticides
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I take / recommend capsule Cinnamon taken daily in place of aspirin as a potent anti inflammatory and for (reduction of) platelet aggregation for middle age people.
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thanks for the suggestion truthseek. I'll look into getting some this weekend…
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Like an atomic bomb, which was developed to exterminate life.
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Thanks be to GE … the God of commercial capitalism … before whom all must lie down and be slaughtered … the Sheeple …
Where is Brother Barack on this?
Now that Mitt is imploding … his pro-money ethic wearing thin as his self-righteous skin …
Now is the moment for Barack to come out for life, for femininity … the health of Earth's ecosystems …
But no; just impotent silence from the enablers of Project "Kill Planet Earth" otherwise known as the global nuclear power industry … a trumped up charlatan which is:
Not Necessary;
Not Cheap (at all);
Not Low carbon (compared to wind and solar);
Not Good Jobs (you may get cancer working there and mostly just sit around watching gauges); (or staring out at protesters)
Not Safe! (There I said it in print … guess the nuke police will be by soon for a visit … safety of nuclear power is not allowed to be discussed … a disgusting ruling from a co-opted, nuclear whorehouse we lovingly call the US Congress; and their chief Toady: the NRC so Hitler-like … anything is possible if done in the name of "national security;
Not even Reliable … as of yesterday morning 15 0f 103 commercial reactors were down with unplanned outages
Why .. it's not even Nu; it's really olde … oldeclear power … TIME TO DIE!!!
Pray to the Gods of GE … who have brought such lovely things to life … like radioactive Tin etcetera etcetera ad infinitum.
Peace 'newsers … keep telling it like it is
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nice rant nedli. BTW. I've made a point of boycotting all purchases of anything that comes out of the GE machine. I used to like them for all the cool technology and products they put out, but now I can't overlook their having ignored the warnings on the Mark-series reactors…
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Good choice, AFTERSHOCK. Thx.
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went with my girlfriend, Vic, to buy a new washer and dryer. We went with anything-but GE. I feel bad doing this to a company that I once admired; but sooner or later, we have to each do whatever we can to make a difference, however small it is…
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@Aftershock
How one spends ones money really matters. Make it count.
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Dear AFTERSHOCK,
Ya know, good ole GE …they seem to getcha com'in-n-go'in …what a concept. No GE products in my home!
GE Comsumer Products:
http://www.ge.com/products_services/consumer_electronics.html
GE Appliances:
http://www.ge.com/products_services/appliances.html
And my most favorite…
'GE is changing healthcare delivery in more than 100 countries with its vision for an "early health" model, focusing on early diagnosis, intervention and prevention. And, as the world moves toward the "digital hospital," we are leading the way with technology …'
GE Healthcare:
http://www.ge.com/products_services/healthcare.html
Take good care.
Aloha.
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@Andagi
I read the link on healthcare and I'm wondering if GE wasn't why I was given TWO cat scans, one with contrast. Plus a chest x-ray. That's enough radiation to make me radioactive!
I was told that I could refuse and they would send me home immediately. I was not sure I was safe enough to go home so I gave in. No Doctor ever explained to me the reason for using so much radiation. Later, a cardiologist told me that he would never have given the cat scans and he was angry about it. When the bill arrives, I will refuse to pay them for the unnecessary radiation. You are never safe from GE anywhere but at least I can strike back.
Sorry, I think this is posted in the wrong place.
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Cont:
'Imagination at work' alright!
http://www3.gehealthcare.com/en/Global_Gateway
Aloha.
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Wasn't it revealed that infinite smudge-pot Fukushima would be cooking for 40 to 50 years? Good luck to us all with that.
Here are a few radiation reading as reported on 3/12/2011, for any future comparison:
Vancouver 16
Seattle 24
San Francisco 29
AZ 19
NM 52
Some places on the east coast have really gotten it.
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Sol Man, do you have a link to confirmed data that has information for the east coast? I remember some graphics on the plume's movement, but no actual figures…
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I am not sure what you are asking for so…
http://enenews.com/radio-mysterious-disease-killing-seals-along-us-east-coast-fukushima-radiation-testing-by-govt-scientists-now-underway-never-seen-anything-like-this-before-audio
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/28/us-low-level-radiation-idUSTRE72R4MZ20110328
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(howdy AFTERSHOCK. maybe some east coast numbers here. scroll up for individual monitoring sites that also may have your answer. didnt arnie mumble eastcoast sumthinoruther.. year or so ago.. i forget. anyway.. sorry if it's too much info.. but if you're a sifter …. http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,20.msg463.html#msg463 )
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Had a few, here is one. Searching for others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1jeEZwwJzw&list=UUQ7a7Q4EN-OY1mdyanRs-3w&index=8&feature=plcp
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thank you kali and chem! I'll check these out…
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thank you as well, Sol Man. Your response popped-up seconds after mine left the bunker…
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Here is best, sorry for the delay.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/12/realtime-epa-radnet-japan-nuclear-radiation-monitoring-every-us-city-single-page-16511/
Alexander Higgens has taken all major city radnet reasurments and display them on one page. Scroll down to select the information you want. Displays 5/21/12 to 9/18/12
information. Select the city you want then open in new window for big view.
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thanks again Sol Man. I'll try to make sense out of this. It appears they're including one-month windows for data-presentation. I'd like to review what they have on hand, since 311.
Due to prevailing jet-streams and localized weather conditions, it would appear there were wide differences in dispersion within the same geographic regions. I'm curious to know which of these may have the least of amount of soil contamination…
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I haven't absorbed all of that information myself; just noting the hot spots at the moment, as surely these will change with the jet stream. Concern beyond words with family on the NW coast, but we all have risk here.
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There is data going all the way back to Chernobyl, that shows the similar effects from radiation on the East Coast and West Coast.
Chernobyl caused a 48.8% increase in infant mortality in Massachusetts and 48% increase in infant mortality in California.
http://www.mitchelcohen.com/?page_id=329
http://enenews.com/florida-highest-iodine-131-reading-ctbto-monitoring-station-world-march-22-23-charts
http://enenews.com/alert-epa-radioactive-iodine-131-levels-in-rainwater-exceed-maximum-contaminant-level-permitted-in-drinking-water
Etc., etc., etc.
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The link you listed for the increased infant mortality is an interesting one. No footnotes, no sourcing for the graphs, and a lot of strong statements without sources. From a research standpoint a very weak presentation, and a paper that would not be accepted in an undergraduate course in college. From a personal standpoint I can find major errors in some of the statements. I counted milk samples at a nuclear plant myself, and there were consistently no detectable activity in those samples. The stated link between AID's and radiation is pure hogwash.
If there is the imminent danger from all these low radiation sources why is there no peer reviewed studies available that confirm that assumption. Do not say all scientists and researchers are "in the tank". Just show me a real peer reviewed professional study.
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There is so much evidence that the National Academy of Sciences concluded that there is no safe level of radiation:
"The scientific research base shows that there is no threshold of exposure below which low levels of ionizing radiation can be demonstrated to be harmless or beneficial," said committee chair Richard R. Monson, associate dean for professional education and professor of epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston."
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=11340
Believe the epidemiologist at Harvard before you believe chrisk9!
A preponderance of scientific evidence shows that even low doses of ionizing radiation, such as gamma rays and X-rays, are likely to pose some risk of adverse health effects, says a new report from the National Academies' National Research Council.
"Because ionizing radiation is a threat to health, it has been studied extensively."
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=030909156X
Health Effects of Chernobyl
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/Chernobyl/HEofC25yrsAC.html#03.03
How nuclear apologists mislead the world over radiation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/apr/11/nuclear-apologists-radiation
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This is another version, Dr. Sternglass examined the CDC data and fallout patterns, one could trace that now.
If you want to hear him speak: http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-ernest-sternglass-childhood-cancer.html
Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, Nuclear Radiation & the Destruction of the Immune System, Red Balloon Collective, 1993
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Sternglass-Short version.pdf – Yimg
xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/13159387/…/Sternglass-Short%20version.pd…File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
google docs view of pdf:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:ynkEBS4e7xcJ:xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/13159387/1152272854/name/Sternglass-Short%2520version.pdf+Percent+change+in+monthly+infant+mortality+in+the+Pacific+states+of+the+U.S.,+1986/1985.&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgkWsjQoWK6vJFA12O5Pj1r8nkIE8QLGKu4DKRiA4ky1hxwSjNr1JyKsEqNX5c-2ianwtLFVHnl90TFB7LpqumM92Ev7D3HtrWl000uOrzXqe0NevMA0whF_FJ3CMnb6XzCm-FK&sig=AHIEtbSZh2KlImB_RNZPXxiArzAeznYcjw
Also relavent: Sternglass, Low Level Radiation: The story of one scientist's attempt to call public attention to radiation damage to infants and the unborn, Ballantine Books, 1972.
Jay M. Gould and Benjamin A. Goldman, Deadly Deceit: Low Level Radiation, High Level Cover-Up, Four Walls Eight Windows Press, 1990
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Most of my critique was toward the listed source. I have read the Beir report many times and agree that with the findings there and with the findings of the National Academy. What is central to the discussion is the definition of "low dose". If low dose is 100 milliseverts as in the Academy paper, and one extra person gets a cancer per hundred people (and 42 from other sources)that is completely believable to me.They state this is a linear equation, so at a dose of 10 milliseverts there would be 1 extra cancer per 1000 people.
When people talk of people of immediate health effects or certain death at doses less than mentioned in any of these listed scientific sources then I question the objectivity.
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i appreciate your view chrisk9, thanks for taking the time to contribute.
i forgot to note, are you currently active in the industry? Not that i'll think any more or less of your opinion, just curious.
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@chrisk9
Just as an example chrisk9, even the rainwater in Florida contains Strontium 90. I know. I live here and we had it tested!
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I was critiquing a weak source of information, and was saying what I saw when working at one plant. I do not dispute your findings,in fact if you live a mile away from Turkey Point or another plant tell me more.
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@Chrisk9
Thank goodness I live nearer to Crystal River (which is inoperable) not Turkey Point. But I am horrified about what is happening at Turkey Point as well as at St. Lucie. The area around Turkey Point is heavily populated. I know. I went to Key Biscayne National Park and right by Turkey Point in the early 90s. There was radioactive xenon all over Florida after Fukushima, but who knows how long our rainwater has been contaminated? Definitely it is now entering ground water and so on to the aquifer. So many people are oblivious.
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Sol Man probably used the Sadnet archives. You can do the same for east coast cities:
Radnet (AKA SADNET!) Query Page: https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/query.do pick Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM) in left table, then the city in right box
Not as much incentive to dissemble pre-Fuku plume ( starting about March 17 in America), but you never can trust government figures.
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Are they referring to the aerosolized particles only? After the #3 explosion, the jet stream dove straight south just before hitting the coast. It didn't turn back towards the north east until reaching the US/Mex border. I followed its speed/path very closely and there has been various info since that confirm my observation.
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It rained in Phoenix very hard in the week after Fukushima's explosion.
I did my best to protect my kids – practically force feeding them seaweed – but we were all exposed, particularly me.
The missing cockroaches in my yard, the missing June bugs, and the reduced population of hermit crabs in San Diego convinced me (and even my skeptical husband) that we were exposed to high enough levels of contamination to produce effects on exposed populations of animals
(Insects that live in the dirt were significantly impacted by Chernobyl in Russia/Ukraine/Belarus) and hermit crabs were impacted by atmospheric testing in the atolls.)
I honestly don't know if the cumulative effects of Fukushima will be worse than atmospheric testing.
I suspect so because our genome has already been damaged. Already we see a link between de novo mutations and autism and I suspect more research on epigenetics is going to show how sensitive these proteins are to radiological and chemical disruptions.
We may already have ensured our EXTINCTION but I suspect it will take decades if not longer to unfold.
I will dedicate the rest of my research career to arguing for the absolute necessity for protecting our genome. I think Enenews has mobilized many of us.
Since we may not know if it is too late, I/we should proceed on the grounds that hope/change is still possible….
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Awesome.
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… Except I am going to hang onto my refusal to die from this. Screw them. And I will NEVER AGAIN believe in the nuclear lies. I do not even know you personally majia but I think I owe THAT to kids like yours.
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you're spot-on, majia, that "We may already have ensured our EXTINCTION but I suspect it will take decades if not longer to unfold." I'm also about long-term solutions. We must get moving into space. If we continue delaying in this hard decision, the window will be closed on any future ability to salvage what's left of our species…
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Capitalistic brainwashing : quote " don't fall in to the trap thinking we already have everything there is !"
Jeff Greason – Rocket Scientist: Making Space Pay and Having Fun Doing It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8PlzDgFQMM&feature=player_embedded
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you should go back DID and listen, again, to what he says. This man's brilliant and worthy of serious consideration. Of course, some are perfectly happy living-out their final days in their parent's cellar…
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"We must get moving into space. If we continue delaying in this hard decision, the window will be closed on any future ability to salvage what's left of our species "
It strikes me that in the flick he also urges something about now , now , now .
Why don't you expand on that non-logic , instead of fantasizing about cellar's you know nothing about.
Quote After " This man's brilliant and worthy of serious consideration. Of course, some are perfectly happy living-out their final days in their parent's cellar "
I'm sorry, but i don't trust you , i sense a duality in shown/hidden motives that makes me nervous. And i think you just made clear why it is like that.
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obviously DID, from the nature of your response, you're not really interested in exploring this issue. You've already attempted to denigrate the idea with associations with the big-bad capitalist. That might fly with those who don't actually have to earn a living. For those who take pride in the fulfillment of our obligations, we don't mind paying for a ticket to the stars.
Seems the actual issue of human survival's of little importance. Rather than challenge me in the development of this issue of moving off the planet, you regress and attempt parity by appealing to your inner child's 'nervous' distrust of me. So tell us DID…when did you stop beating your wife?
Be patient disordered-one. You'll eventually be given the opportunity to show the world just how great an intellect you really are. For now though, I'd suggest saving your pennies for a ticket off this tiny pebble…
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out of respect to any third party observer(s), I'm going to embed the link to your response, below. It's obvious from the fact that you can't even handle a threaded conversation, you're way outside your comfort zone…
http://enenews.com/map-fukushima-air-mass-hit-california-after-311-and-went-north-to-oregon-wash-canada-study-clearly-demonstrates-how-little-dissipation-occurred-plume-contaminated-entire-northern-hemi/comment-page-1#comment-289029
[start cross-posted September 18, 2012 at 3:35 pm · DisasterInterpretationDissorder text:]
"If that right -wing elite pipe-dream (for now) ticket to the stars you don't mind paying is possible related to the increase of nuclear reactors , for fuel and transportable energy , then shove it . I have difficulties trusting you and i'm honest about it . And you last response just took away all doubts ."
[end cross-posted text]
…sad…
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I often think that most humans, Western humans anyway, would much prefer to live in a large mall in outer space and the planets would be that much better off. It would be nuclear powered, of course.
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sad to say, Vic, it'll be that way…for a while. Eventually we'll develop the technology to make our way to more amenable environs. My major concern right now, is not whether we can develop the means to survive and go forth from there, but that we leave behind the self-serving avarice that compelled us to do so in the first place. We need to educate future generations of those who live in space that it is imperative that we honor the worlds we come upon.
I'd also like to reduce the 'pressure' humans are imposing on the earth right now. I'd like to see the development of programs and technology that eventually return the earth to its natural condition. It would take centuries (far longer than it took us to fuck it up), but were we to realize the means of supporting large civilizations in space, we'd eventually have the time and resources needed to repair this damage. As it is now, there are too many competing forces for what remains of our world.
Eventually, the earth would become a eco-compatible retirement village where humans can spend their last days, should they choose to do so. Given what we're currently doing, we no longer have any-other choice than to develop a plan that ensures the survival of both human species and their birthplace. It's time to merge all our science and technology towards that end…
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furthur info for the GE boycotterers:
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000125
and protecting our dna information (for those who haven't seen.lol)
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/board,24.0.html
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If that right -wing elite pipe-dream (for now) ticket to the stars you don't mind paying is possible related to the increase of nuclear reactors , for fuel and transportable energy , then shove it . I have difficulties trusting you and i'm honest about it . And you last response just took away all doubts .
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this was in response to Aftershock's post at 3:01 pm , i forgot to glue it to his.
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Freaky to see in print what we already knew. We live right in the line of fire here on vancouver Island. Nobody listens. Local pharmacies and Dr's were refusing iodine to people and were handing out government propaganda about "well below acceptable limits"
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This initial plume issue is important, but let us not forget the plumes that rose into the atmosphere long after the DoD's two-month study of troops for their official Fukushima "registry" of radiation doses.
Their study as they denoted…ended on May 12, 2011 (video link I provided in the DoD thread).
So lets look down the road just one month after the US military ended their study: June 10, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxzBKBKPLRg&lr=1&uid=Du1KkkwuzybKx6MXQgGHuw
Units 3 or 4 (or possibly both) had major releases. Not supersonic skyward, but hot enough particles to rise to the lower jetstream (about 19,000 feet). From there a 40-hour trip to the American and Canadian west coast and beyond.
What is interesting about that burning fuel rod day was the Tepco video coverage. Check and see in this double view of the TBS/JNN long range camera and the local plant camera and watch when the long range camera operator pulls the plug at 37 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaAHaPycZtE
SP: Shocking not only for the toxic smoke from burning nuclear fuel rods, but also that the local camera was allowed to keep filming and made the first smoking gun tape available to the public.
This was one day of many when burning of fuel rods occurred…sometimes the footage was aired, many times it was censored.
Burning fuel also happened this year many times long after the Tepco-proclaimed "Cold Shutdown Condition" in December 2011.
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Folks,
xdrfox is very ill.
Yes I know he doesn't post here anymore, but that's a separate issue.
Right now, anyone who has it in his heart to send a get well message to him, you can send it here:
http://beforeitsnews.com/mass-animal-death/2012/09/your-xdrfox-here-please-read-2430376.html
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I'm sorry, this should have been in the Non-Nuclear Forum.
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xdrfox, hope you feel better soon. Please take care.
Thank you Mack
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Dear xdrfox,
You're in my thoughts and heart.
Aloha.
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xdrfox, God bless you.
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That's sweet of you, Mack – thanks for the heads-up. I'll leave a message for him, too.
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@xdrfox: you know we love all love you…so get your ass up-off that stretcher and back to pass'n that ammo!
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xdrfox, Please get well soon! We sure do miss you!
As Aftershock said… Get your ass up and back to your ol sparky self!
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Xdrfox, you know my chin raises when your spoke of. Get well soon & hurry up!
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Ditto from me. xdrfox will always be Brother Nature to me. I miss him and value his inputs.
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same
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I don't know anybody else who has spoken for possibly BILLIONS OF DEAD ANIMALS as xdrfox has.
His documentation of these mass animal deaths is unbelievable. He is a class act. I wish him health and the hope that he can perhaps convert his work into a format which gets him and his cause the attention it deserves. The staggering figures he has collected is obviously painting a picture that needs to be painted. The animals deserved to live here too.
There is something beautiful inside in people like him.
Cheers!
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What in the hell is the matter with everyone? Why is everyone trying to determine "how long it's going to take"? Do any of you have children or grandchildren? Are you just going to wait for them to get sick or have you actually started taking them for regular visits? Right this minute you are all saying get well to xdrfox, then moving right along with your "conversations".
Chrisk9 keeps talking about his expertise and yet has not had one of his bigwig scientist or nuke friends come on here with ANY helpful info.Why is that? Where the hell is Majia? She is far more helpful then everyone trying to sort the exact day they are going to die.
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people are overwhelmed kali. It's not easy processing the scale of this disaster. You've been out here long enough to witness the effects on some. Unless you're indifferent to suffering, a couple of months of these ongoing 'revelations' can quickly undermine one's sanity. Just keep doing your magic and hold on…
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Kd: I understand your angst, but hold off on calling out other posters for not doing more.
As a longtime Usenet poster (now deceased) once told me: "My advice is worth exactly what it cost you to read it here…nothing!"
But kidding aside, the thousands-strong Enenewsers and their millions of hours of radiation research KNOW things that the tens of millions of victims in Japan only SUSPECT.
As mentioned by others it can be terrible mentally to know these nuclear secrets and still try to face the mundane world of paying bills which get higher every day (chalk that up as another cost of the out of control nuclear industry).
Yet we perservere because most of us have loved ones. Yes I have children and a grandchild with another on the way. I worry about their future much more than mine.
The ancient Pueblo Indians faced tough decisions of whether to leave their cliff dwelling homes and crops in a time of enemy attacks and mega drought. Perhaps their disappearance is a 600-year preview on a smaller scale of what might happen in a breakdown of civilization today. On the Road, but with billions of people. Human suffering at a level unlike any previous war or natural disaster since the last Great Ice Age.
I can't predict if Fukushima could trigger such a downfall of the human race. But every person who becomes a Knower at this site will help stop the downfall. Or at least postpone it for a few more generations.
Perhaps we can evolve into a better world.
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So well said.
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@Sickputer
Thanks for your post. "and still try to face the mundane world of paying bills which get higher every day (chalk that up as another cost of the out of control nuclear industry). Actually it may be chalked up to Ben Bernanke who keeps doing "quantitative easing" so that inflation keeps growing and growing. In other words, he takes that money away from people and gives it to the bankers or other corporations. The money (inflation) isn't his to give. No leader speaks up for the people.
"Yet we perservere because most of us have loved ones. Yes I have children…." Amen. That is mostly why most of us keep keeping on. My grandchildren deserve so much better than what we leave them I can hardly bear it.
The Ecology Party of Florida along with NIRS is suing (now) Duke Power which used to be Progress Energy; or maybe they are still called that. I hope to give that party a little more money four more days from now even though my income is so small it's almost nonexistent. They are fighting Levy County I and II.
And, never ever forget it–Exactly where was our President and his entourage on March 17, 2012? Right. South America. But they came home as soon as the radioactive plume lowered.
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Its all good kalidances and there's lots of good people here, you included. We arguably may have been roped into this nuclear madness and some of us like me realize that now that the damage is done but i don't think any of us want the mess we find ourselves mutually in everyday since 311. I don't know the answer to your questions but they are good ones. I don't know what I can do, yet, but like you I know something is to be done. For the time being I personally want to stay connected to the people here as we walk through this together.
Its surely a shitty situation but I going to keep on keeping myself informed and ready to help my family as I can if I really hits the fan. I'm not ready to accept we are just going to die.
If *they * want to kill me with their radiation, I m just going to live longer and stronger, just to spite them.
You are invited!
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+311 Anthony! Hell yes!
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There's a great animation of that plume in this video clip:
From 311survivingjapan.com @drhcaldicott on Fukushima risks calling it "greatest public health hazard" 日本語に (Japanese subtitled) please share http://youtu.be/cAXPwiYw2QM
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