Marine Chemist in Jan. 2014: Latest numbers I have are Fukushima has released 80 Quadrillion Bq of cesium-137 (Chernobyl estimated at 70 Quadrillion) — “The radioactive plume itself has actually arrived… it’s already here” on west coast of N. America (AUDIO)

Published: January 21st, 2014 at 2:10 pm ET


‘Your Call’ hosted by Rose Aguilar, KALW, Jan. 16, 2014:

At 10:30 in

Jay Cullen, associate professor at the School of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Victoria: At this point, the most recent numbers I have in front of me — and perhaps Ken can provide some insight here too — there’s been on the order of 80 petabecquerels of cesium-137 that’s been released to the environment [from Fukushima Daiichi]*.

At 12:30 in

Ken Buesseler, senior scientist in marine chemistry & geochemistry at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution: It actually surprised us a bit this summer when they said [the Fukushima Daiichi site is] not leaking into the ocean, and they said it’s not getting out of the harbor. Anyone offshore can detect those isotopes. It is leaking, continuously at low levels of cesium, compared to the release — nothing like the 100 of, or 50 to 80 petabecquerels in 2011.

At 41:25 in

Cullen: The radioactive plume itself has actually arrived here we know in British Columbia […] In 2012 we started to detect radionuclides offshore. And in 2013 that water was about 0.3 becquerel, sorry, pardon me, 3 becquerels per m³, was showing up on the coast — it’s already here.

*The Nuclear Energy Agency’s estimated Chernobyl released 85 petabecquerels of cs-137, while the U.N. revised their estimate to 70 petabecquerels after more accurate data became available.

Nice to hear the professor sticking with cubic meters instead of making the conversion to liters, as had been done on previous occasions.  The 53-minute broadcast is available here

Published: January 21st, 2014 at 2:10 pm ET


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  • pkjn

    Underground Nuclear Explosion At Crippled Japan Atomic Plant Shocks World
    Mitsuhei Murata, Former Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland
    January 15, 2014

    With new reports stating that dangerous radiation levels have been detected in snows found in Texas, Colorado and Missouri, this Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation report warns the US, indeed, is going to face the severest consequences of this historic, and seemingly unstoppable, nuclear disaster.

    New reports coming from the United States western coastal areas are now detailing the mass deaths of seals, sea lions, polar bears, bald eagles, sea stars, turtles, king and sockeye salmon, herring, anchovies, and sardines due to Fukishima radiation.

    Fukushima pollution spreads all over Earth (as large amounts of fish, seaweeds, and everything in ocean has been already been polluted, and these products are the main danger for mankind as they can end up being eaten by people on a massive scale)

    • ENENews

      pkjn, first read the rules below with focus on "3) Not repetitive" You just posted this same comment on 4 different threads. I checked your 200+ comments left on ENENews and you do this quite often. I also was unable to find any time that you actually communicated with anyone. It seems you only post links to outside news article that are often from suspect sources. We'll see if you end up responding here.

      I'm quite curious why you would post this article/hoax… is it because you believe it to be true, or is it to bring to light that it was posted on a website of former ambassador Murata? ( and scroll down to the very bottom and click the last link).

      Not sure why or how it was posted on there, but if anyone reading this is in communication with Murata, encourage him to remove it. Thanks, admin

      • BlondyFu BlondyFu

        Thank you admin for always staying on top of the posts here. One of the reasons I come here is I trust the articles that are posted here to be vetted as best as one can. Thank you.

      • pkjn

        I did NOT know "3) Not repetitive". I apologize.

        • jump-ball jump-ball

          Wanted to see the origin of this dramatic story, and Snopes explains it in a way that should caution everyone:

          "Origins: This January 2014 article about the President of Russia supposedly issuing an order after the detection of underground atomic explosions at the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant (which experienced a series of equipment failures, nuclear meltdowns and releases of radioactive materials after the massive Tohoku earthquake and subsequent tsunami hit Japan in March 2011) isn't a real news item. It's just more fictional "Sorcha Faal" sensationalism originating with a single disreputable source, the political conspiracy site."


      • lavender lavender

        thank you for your input. the truth is bad enough and these types of stories discredit, confuse the situation further, and cause unnecessary anxiety.

      • ocifferdave

        Admin for President!

      • Indeed, this could be troll work, meant to promote absurd conspiracy story, and thus discredit the movement.

        I have been busy on solar work, so haven't seen the socref troll, wonder how that turned out.

    • soern

      "I don’t know the author of this article, but it was sent to me from someone in California."

      Wow, how trustworthy…

      Agreed with admin.

    • name999 name999

      informative post, not sure why you got so much flack.

    • hbjon hbjon

      The smithereens have landed. Quadrillions more smithereens headed for a shore near you. Not to mention the zillions of smithereens released on a daily basis. Just when people sorta got comfortable with the current interpretation of this disaster someone has to come by and rock the boat.

      Hopefully Mr. Gundersen will keep us informed if the smithereens get blown to smithereens. That'll be the real kicker.

  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    Radio program in California with call in

    Sent from my F-iPad

    Today on Your Call: What does the science and data tell us about the impacts of Fukushima radiation?
    By Ali Budner

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    On today's Your Call we’ll get an update on the radiation that has leaked into the ocean from Fukushima. How is it affecting marine life and our health?Reports of radiation contamination are circulating causing a lot of concern. So how concerned should we be? Join the conversation with your questions on the next Your Call with Rose Aguilar and You.


    Jay Cullen, associate professor at the School of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the University of Victoria

    Ken Buesseler, senior scientist in marine chemistry & geochemistry at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    Home > Programs
    Radiologic Health Branch (RHB) — Radiation Monitoring Reports And Information

    According to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), Japan's nuclear emergency presents no danger to California. California Department of Public Health (CDPH) is working closely with our state and federal partners, including NRC, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. Department of Energy, FEMA Region IX, and the California Office of Emergency Services(Cal OES). CDPH-RHB maintains air monitoring stations throughout California.
    In response to the Japanese nuclear incident of March 2011, RHB increased the frequency of its routine air monitoring program for six weeks beginning in mid-March and posted the results on this page. RHB resumed its weekly air sampling frequency at the end of April and continues that monitoring along with periodic milk sampling. As a follow-up to the Japanese incident, RHB will post the results of its routine monitoring for several months on this site. Please note: RHB has detected only trace amounts of radiation, well below levels of health concern, attributable to the Japanese incident.
    Sent from my F-iPad

    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      I wonder if these bizarre wind patterns have anything to do with the low readings. These patterns of reversing winds have been in the Pacific for at least the last few weeks.,38.66,390

      As you can see, there are no major wind patterns presently directed at the US coastline. Two days ago most of it was aimed at the Aleutian Islands. Today Canada's west coast is taking what is spinning off of that mid Pacific circular pattern.


      • American Phoenix57

        Phil take a look at this. It seems the are using the HAARP system to keep the weather clear of radiation over California. The result has been low radiation readings but it has trigger a terrible drought.

        Take a close look at the 90 degree angles on the high pressure zone. Very suspicious.

        • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley


          Thanks. Yesterday when I showing my son it looked like a big wall of high pressure was just east of the huge circular pattern. It was the whole length of the north American continent. Notice the smaller circular pattern just off the Japanese coast. That one's been there for a while too.

          • zogerke zogerke

            Has anyone ever examined the weather satellite photographs from before 311, during years of calif drought- which have been numerous- to have a set of comparison frames, to now? comparing the satellite photos pre fuku during calif drought, with post fuku weather photos taken during times of CA drought, in order to determine if the patterns seen now are way out of the ordinary… or within what we are used to seeing this time of year?

            • American Phoenix57

              The go to guy for all thing weather mod for the last several years is "Dutchsinse" aka Micheal Janitch. Check out his website and youtube videos. Truly amazing research.


            • Sickputer

              Not so much storm clouds, but I studied airflow extensively from the archived San Francisco University Jetstream maps:


              The Pacific Jetstream is a massive feature of Mother Earth. Bigger than any nuclear complex to manipulate. The Jetstream just takes along the toxins for a long global ride. The prediction maps by scientists does give time to take cover if you are able.

              But even though I was inside with HEPA filters on March 18th, 2011 the toxic side winds away from the main high speed column of the Jetstream was still enough to give me my first and only nosebleed in my life. Coincidence? Not in my opinion.

              I don't see a huge change in the Jetstream patterns over the past 3 years.

              As for the SFU archived weather maps they only go back to 2012 and I didn't look at them much when perhaps the 2011 weather radar images were available:


              But a search in February 2012 of a 28 day weather loop loop shows a tremendous amount of cloud cover that moved eastward across North America. That time frame was a period of a great deal of reports about winter 2011-2012 fires at the Fukushima complex. Also a great deal of anecdotal intestinal illness all across the western USA (my family was ill for three months). A great deal of radiation traveled east from Japan.


              • zogerke zogerke

                Thanks Sickputer, just read your post.

                • johnnyo

                  nobody loves a good conspiracy theory more than me….was onto 9-11 by spring of following year, but was sceptical about HAARP for a while (maybe just outta defense mechanism wishful thinking…how much evil can one person comprehend?)…but this is pretty damning stuff and conceivable easy to verify if, as been mentioned, we compare to old data. I found an interesting story from 6 days ago in the SanJoseMercuryNews:

                  "meteorologists have fixed their attention on the scientific phenomenon they say is to blame for the emerging drought: a vast zone of high pressure in the atmosphere off the West Coast, nearly four miles high and 2,000 miles long, so stubborn that one researcher has dubbed it the "Ridiculously Resilient Ridge."

                  " Similar high-pressure zones pop up all the time during most winters, but they usually break down, allowing rain to get through to California. This one, ominously, has anchored itself for 13 months, since December 2012, making it unprecedented in modern weather records and leaving researchers scratching their heads."

                  The question of why they would do it is pure speculation. Maybe they want a record drought.

                  • name999 name999

                    what is the value in doing such things. Most of us just shake our
                    heads. A record drought.

                    • I don't know about all this weather mod stuff, don't put anything past TPTB per funding nutty sci-fi projects that might or might not ever produce anything real.

                      But I do know from more than a handful of decades of life in the US of A that there's pretty much ALWAYS a "record drought in California." Happens way more years than it doesn't, and often lasts for years. Got to the point many years ago that I just figured California's 'normally' a semi-arid desert-like place with far-flung wet-spots, and the idea that it's not is just pretense because they use far more than their fair share of water to "Make the Desert Green." Plus golf courses and rich-people landscaping.

                      Regular people are thus perpetually under water restrictions, and the authorities claim it's a "record drought." Always.

        • tsfw tsfw

          I don't know much about haarp, but I wonder if the lower readings might also be due to their dry spell?

        • We Not They Finally

          AmericanPhoenix, no fan of secret government here (hardly!), nor of HAARP, but this is interesting. Are you saying that HAARP has been, or could be used, to keep mainland U.S. more free of radiation? Is that necessarily a BAD thing?

          Just confused here. Even though at best it would sound like temporary stop-gap and with unintended consequences.

          • American Phoenix57

            ". . .we shall propose further cooperative efforts between all nations in weather prediction and eventually in weather control. . ." – President J.F. Kennedy’s address to the UN General Assembly, 25 September 1961

            Yes they can but at the cost of inflicting dramatic weather changes downstream from the deflection event. Catastrophic droughts, floods and weather extremes are bad for commodities like corn, wheat etc. The boys on wall street that trade in weather commodities don't like it when their multimillion dollar bets go bad so intervening to save people in the path of Fukushima atmospheric radiation is off the table unless it's the president or strategically important events and locations.

            Great YT videos to catch up on chemtrails and other crazy stratospheric geoengineering programs to "cool" the planet and control the weather.

            What In the World Are They Spraying,
            Why In the World Are They Spraying,
            Aerosol Crimes,
            Rosalind Peterson The Chemtrail Cover-Up pt 1,
            HAARP – Holes in Heaven,
            Owning the Weather the Secret Agenda of Atmospheric Manipulation,
            HOW TO Make an Earthquake,
            Chemtrails are $4Trillion solar umbrella.

            They have been at this since the early 90's and they are very good at it. Unfortunately it's very bad for Mother Earth.

            • We Not They Finally

              Much thanks for that. So I guess that BEST case may be, "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"? We've been living in the Land of Unintended Consequences for far too long.

              We hate the chemtrails. We just hoped that maybe this move was something constructive.

              We've also been confused as to why there seem to be fewer major hurricanes in the last few years. And mayb they did that with HAARP. But maybe that wasn't to spare residents in the Gulf at all. Maybe it's been to "protect BP investments."

              The people making these decisions are so profoundly untrustworthy and so AGAINST the public interest, that it gets dicey to even assess something like this.

        • Losaccali Losaccali

          American phoenix
          Might I add, there has been an obscured extreme amount of chemtrails in so cal
          Everyday, everywhere, it disperses and fills our citys at ground level with a cloack of this foggy chemical pollution.

      • amberlight amberlight

        To corroborate the wind anomaly: Spent a nice day at the coast yesterday. The breeze was offshore all day (which makes for some lovely dragon-like spray plumage shooting off the breakers). The wind is usually from the northwest, sometimes more southerly, but nearly always coming onshore. I live about 30 miles inland (Mendocino County, California), and in addition to the lack of rain, there has also been less wind than usual.

      • tsfw tsfw

        Wind coming from the west for us – it does happen but it's rare and it has been going on for a few weeks now.

  • Nick

    Organic produce from California is a misnomer for the rest of time.

    But not to worry, our government IS NOT testing for radiation and is importing vast quantities of food and goods from Japan.

    Are you awake yet West Coast?

    I suspect the lack of snowfall is more of a concern to the average concerned Californian. No way Fukushima is impacting the atmosphere/ocean? Is it?

    I don't think realtors up and down the West Coast send customers to ENEnews.

    Ssssshhhh IT hasssss hit the Fan. Go nukes!

    • clamshellernh clamshellernh

      Nick you are a negative Nellie lol
      I have been following a lot of concerned citizen groups ect out of Cali and I have to disagree with you on your take of people being concerned about this .
      I am sure folks can juggle more than you think of things happening ie snowfall
      You seem to have your knickers in a knot today in your posts
      And another thing I must point out is and that's that enenews is not the be all and end all of information on the web
      What I would suggest is you take some time out , examine your seeming anger and perhaps take it somewhere else .
      We all get bitchy here there and everywhere but you are consistent . My apologies to all being off topic and all but I'm working very hard today researching and doing social media today to see this site get tossed around or any other just attempting to nip it in the bud .

    • GOM GOM

      Organic Valley, Cascadian Farms, Horizon, StonyField. All my brands, from Cali. I have to read all labels now. Buy only Florida/east coast. Eat root veggies only. Rice, eggs. Dry beans so I can wash them. Fruits with thick skin. OMG..This is just…horrific

    • The basics FACTS that I think I know are TRUE.

      1. The ocean plume has arrived.
      2. It will continue to come.
      3. It will spread.

      1. The atmospheric Fallout continues.
      2. It is random-like.
      3. Weather is a trigger and a variable.
      4. It will spread.

      Media will do whatever it takes to dilute the basic facts with numbers and diagrams while repeating, "There is no concern".

      The various transport vectors are insidious and hard to imagine.

      IMO – Without 100% testing or owning some sort of Radiation Detector the RISK exists regardless of your location when it comes to all foods.
      (disclaimer: some locations may be better than others at this time)

      The domino effect (uncontrollable radioactive contamination)that got started by the butterfly effect (Fukushima NPPs) will have an affect on everything.

      Setting allowable 'safe' limits is a ruse.
      The 'allowable limits' used to be and should have remained, ZERO! That's how the planet is/was supposed to work.
      (ruse: a trick or act that is used to fool someone)

      We stopped Nuclear Bomb testing, seems sort of obvious to me we need to stop these DNA destroying Death Machines too. 😉

    • Radioactive Cars From Japan Being Refused And Shipped Back By Multiple Countries; via @AGreenRoad

    • Daisy207

      Consider tritium – probably most of the water entering the Pacific from Fukushima is tritiated. This component behaves just like ordinary water but is a beta emitter with a half life of over 12 years. That would certainly explain why we light up on the east coast everytime it rains on NETC. No one can escape this.

  • James Tekton James Tekton

    Here is an interesting read.

    We all should really be angry at the corruption that is responsible for the ignorance around this Extinction Level Event of the babylonic empire.

    In this dis-information media program, no one can tell what is true, or not. As far as "latest figures" are concerned, no one can really know for sure what is what unless you see it on your own counter at home.

    If you have not read the rant that was posted in the general discussion forum, go read it now.


    • GOM GOM

      James. I just love this stuff. The political tie-in with anything destructive. Hope that writer Carrington don't own a hot tub…

      • harengus_acidophilus

        You should marry him

        "James. I just love this stuff."

        Same kind of hateful thinking …

        Greed, hate and a lack of compassion. If we really want a better world, we should go the way of love and not the way of hate, killing and destruction.

        This nuclear nightmare is serious, it's a task for whole mankind, but the only thing you care is your front yard. You knew exactly, "how to play the game", like personal approach (but due to a lack of time abbreviated), talking about pets, … time consuming BS!
        What about FACTS? "I'ye heared about …, a friend told me …"
        But never ever evidence.

        THIS IS EVIL!


        • GOM GOM

          harengus. So I am not supposed to hate the government for sleeping with the enemy? I was talking about political ties such as Abe-Bush connection that leads to disasters such as Fuku. I do love EXPOSING the truth about these scum. Did you even read Jame's article? Why do you follow me around doing this? Now you have your peeps doing it. Like Syke. And Targus. What the hell? Everyone on here talks about different stuff. As far As I'm concerned, you are turning this site into GLP. A bully board.

          • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

            GOM: hey, how did I get dragged into this? I think you're getting thread order mixed up or something. Show me where I said anything negative of you or anyone other than "S"?

          • harengus_acidophilus

            Way of love or way of hate?

            "So I am not supposed to hate the government
            for sleeping with the enemy?"

            That's what I say: you WANT to hate.
            But hate is the problem, not the solution.

            "I do love EXPOSING the truth about these scum."

            The 1st step to fascism: declare your enemy as non-human.
            2nd step: tell the underpriviledged and unemloyed this enemy is the cause for their suffer.
            3rd: raise "mational pride" and remember "duties"
            Now you can lean back in your chair and "watch the show".

            Mr. Schiklgruber would be proud of you.


        • GOM GOM

          Dear Admin: Before I go I would like to thank you for this site and wish you and yours Godspeed.

          • OldFool

            GOM, you are 100% Correct. ACID (harengus..) is clearly an Absolute Total Asshole, apparently from Europe or pretending to be in Europe. If the ENE Admin does not act soon, this website will regretfully, inevitably become a cesspool.

            • zogerke zogerke

              reminder. stress of what we are up against creates situation where anger happens. Personal conflict detracts from the board and focus on anti nuke, so do long hellos and long goodbyes. Each of us has a perspective; many of us find each other's perspectives odious (!) yet most legit posters share – like in a difficult coalition- great concern and unhappiness with nuke catastrophe and ecological death. Yes I am using the T word of tolerance. Choose your battles and battle to show the truth.

              • zogerke zogerke

                And: after the soccer entity chapter, many stay attuned for insincerity in any form. No I am making no accusations or implications or innuendo about any particular person. No. I am stating what I see.

            • We Not They Finally

              You're overreacting, Old Fool, and that is hurting others. Please be part of the solution, not the problem! Thanks.

            • harengus_acidophilus

              The veneer of civilization is small …

              " is clearly an Absolute Total Asshole, …"

              "… apparently from Europe or pretending to be in Europe."
              Just minor lifeforms in Europe?

              Facing the truth is often painful,
              but a great chance to grow adult.


    • Ontological Ontological

      Thanks James, Wake the FLOCK up! YES resound this call in all the corners of Earth!


    Speaking of Cali: My friend in Baja Cali Mexico says there are no fish? Nothing. Nada. He says that this area will be the most contaminated place in the US. Any clue why?

    • BlondyFu BlondyFu

      It will be very interesting to see what the government has to say about all the fish and marine life dead. I wonder what story they will spin. GLOBAL WARMING?? I get sicker and sicker in the pit of my stomach each day that I read them downplaying the dangers of this catastrophe. Please BEAM ME UP SCOTTY.

    • wa6smn wa6smn

      Look at some of the current patterns. The stuff that makes it down to the area offshore from California/Mexico will get caught in a circular current that keeps it in place. See the image at <a href="">Southern California Bight</a>.

        • GOM GOM

          wa. I didn't realize there were channels from the ocean to inland areas. Never really thought about. It's just get's better and friggin better.

        • jump-ball jump-ball

          Maps like that will reveal the otherwise unseen hot spots and 'leopard skin' contamination patterns of localized concentration already surrounding us and rendering Pacific seafood and N.American food products unsafe to eat without scintillator detection clearance.

          TY ca6 for adding information that will help expose the specious dilution ruse coverup and the official denial of contamination danger.

      • razzz razzz

        'OceanGybe in Baja California – Hot Deserts, Cold Waves and Plastic Beaches.'

        "…The Baja is the final resting place for much of American California’s trash due to the prevailing currents and winds, which blow and move predominantly south-east down the coast. So the lack of recycling action or intelligent thought by some individual in San Diego or San Francisco now has me carefully placing my feet between a Twinkie wrapper, a Monster Energy drink can and Barbie’s head. So despite the isolation of this particular point in the desert of the Baja and the lack of local population, the trash was piled high and constantly reminding us that our oceans connect all of us.

        This phenomenon is world-wide. Trash from British Columbia, Canada often ends up on the beaches on California. Plastic junk from Japan often ends up on the empty northern beaches of Vancouver Island. We are all connected by the worlds’ currents and winds, so proverbial wing beats of a butterfly do in fact have huge affects far far way from the source. The axiom of “Think globally, Act locally” couldn’t be more fitting in the issue of marine debris. Be resourceful in Reducing, Reusing and Recycling and be safe in the knowledge that someone else’s beach suddenly has one less piece of pollution on it…"

    • Oct 5. 2013 report from Alexander Backman. He mentions quite a bit about the radiation situation in Baja, California. About an hour

      • Excuse me, October 25. Here is another update from December 5

        • We Not They Finally

          Backman is actually good on radiation. It's just religion that's the red flag. This great "Christian" calls Ashkenazi Jews the bad seed genetically, everyone ruining the world is "a Zionist," and there are even "Christian Zionists." He doesn't have a clue what zionism actually is, but he's sure that it's all satanic, and if Jews aren't washed in the blood of the Lamb, they are all going to hell. (Just quoting his website. Really!)

          That said…. he's actually quite good on Fukushima. Go figure…

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture


    Who's the idiot that thought this wouldn't happen? .. knowing that nuclear plants were designed and built with (( no fix for meltdowns )).

    No fix, no procedure, no back up .. just let it melt and spew forever.

  • weeman

    — nothing like the 100 of, or 50 to 80 petabecquerels in 2011.
    Is that a Freudian slip and he caught himself?, if the word of, or are exchanged to and?

  • razzz razzz

    In TEPCO's defense, the filter fence across the harbor mouth did fail for awhile before it was repaired. /sarc off

  • Daisy207

    Still no one will publish the concentration of Cs in the water in mg/L – keep in mind that drinking water standards for iron – hardly a toxic metal – is 0.05 mg/L. Arsenic which is toxic is regulated to micrograms/L. The Bq/L or square meter is one thing – but what concentration of the darn metal am I consuming in the volume or mass of food or liquid that I eat or drink. I am still waiting for tables of data someone????? Name of lab running the samples???? Name of agency or person collecting the samples???? Map of where samples are collected??????? You don't have to comment on the results – I'll read the data and make up my own mind – thank you very much.

    • gottagetoffthegrid


      its because the concetration in ppm is very small, owing to the very high radiation levels associated with Cs 137.

      you can convert though:

      the specific activity of Cs 137 is 3.215 X 10^12 Bq/gram

      • Daisy207

        The problem with your statement is that if they don't know what the concentration of the component is – how on earth do they know it is the source of the Bq's that they are reading – the Bq's are just counts and could be emitted from any number of sources. With analytical methods available today they should easily be able to measure down to 0.001 microgms/L – that would still produce Bq readings at > 10^4 which is way above any limit set by the government. Sometimes the crude way data are released makes my head hurt when I think about it. The absence of any complete discussion and publication of results scares me more than knowing just how bad it might be. I realize that they think the general population is too stupid to understand much of this – after all they are victims of public education – but for those of us who can understand it, please give us the data. If a government agency and lab analyzed samples – ITS OUR DATA BECAUSE WE PAID FOR IT.

        • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

          Correct on all counts of course. But, you paid for the study, not the results. But hey, you can pay for the results too if you'd like since we sold it to a digital publishing company. Can't share it though – copyrights don't ya know. It's free to colleges that sign a NDA (with severe punishment for schools and students should they leak it). Whatever information that is collected in the public space will be secretized and compartmentalized. Hey, bright side, it'll be in the public domain in 25 years. By that time, monkeys will be smarter than poeple.

        • gottagetoffthegrid

          Dasy said
          "how on earth do they know it is the source of the Bq's that they are reading – the Bq's are just counts and could be emitted from any number of sources. "
          This is only true for GM tube (geiger- mueller) detectors. A good germanium scintillator will distinguish between the various isotopes. Each has a distinctive energy signature. So they know everything about a sample.

          That is one reason they use Bq as a proxy mass. The other is to add confusion amongst those not in the club.

          • gottagetoffthegrid

            … a proxy for mass.

          • zogerke zogerke

            wish i had a scintillator in addition to gm Inspector and knew the source of the readings I get here in philadelphia. glad i have the inspector, great unit. wish i could collaborate sources. more terrifying information.

            • gottagetoffthegrid

              There was a guy who used to post here under the name of "spectromizing" or something to that effect. He was using a sodium iodide detector pancake wand plugged into some crazy Aussie counter that, once post-processed on a PC would give a decent spectrum.

              Pity I haven't seen a post from him in a long while. He's the kind of crazy we need now that Plume 2.0 has started to hit.

              I'll see what I can dig up.

          • deaddolphins simonhhh

            gottagetoffthegrid…you definitely know some gear…well said…

            Just a thought, ENEnews while already one of the best websites on the planet….should consider an "EDIT" button for post editing…

        • Deal is that becquerel is a unit of radioactivity, NOT a unit of mass/concentration. Different radioactive elements have different decay profiles, so saying that there's X ppb or ppm in a liter of water of any given element will not be readily convertible to X Bq/L of decays per second.

          Depends entirely on what data you seek. If you want concentration of element per liter, it can be found. If you want becquerels of decay per liter, you can sometimes get that. These are not equivalent units of measurement.

          • zogerke zogerke

            Yah this was where i needed extra study time for industrial hygiene exams in grad school….then i could just cut through the conversion factors…now its gotten a bit muddy. Thank you joy b , HA, getoffthegrid.

            • zogerke zogerke

              And i did NOT realize they were not equivelent. Wowzers.

              • Always makes me mumble under my breath like Popeye when they mix and match concentrations vs. activity. The only activity they ever seem to report is for isolated isotopes – like cesium or iodine – entirely neglecting to report the concentration of radioactive isotopes (all) per liter, or becquerels of everything in that liter. It's a way of minimizing and covering up. Nukes have been using the dastardly complex technicalities of their science from the very beginning to fool people into buying their sales spiel.

                "No kids living around nuclear plants get [thyroid cancer, leukemia] from allowable daily releases of iodine [/whatever] because it's only X [isolated] dose and that's not dangerous" is SUCH a huge lie. Same with what they dump into waterways from which water supplies are drawn. There's always "only" 1 or less becquerels of iodine [/cesium, /whatever] in the water, never the total of all contaminates and their combined becquerels or toxic capacities, or ppm mass in that water. An especially deceptive situation for the toxic elements and heavy metals (dangerous even if they aren't radioactive enough to worry about).

                • weeman

                  Total deception and mass confusion of the population.
                  Not right, we need total count and complete makeup.

                • deaddolphins simonhhh

                  JoyB…you nailed it and thanks for explaining these concepts for those not fully familiar with an already very cloudy science…reporting only 1 or 2 ionizing isotopes when there are over 1000 nasties is sneeky, duplicitous and downright dangerous

              • Think of it like the deception is designed – X becquerels of element A [let's say iodine] can ONLY represent the number of atoms of iodine that decay per second in that liter of water. It cannot be the actual amount of iodine in that liter, because the concentration of iodine they're NOT telling you about has a half-life. So there's always 'lots' more iodine (concentration in mass) in the water than the number of decays they're reporting.

                • weeman

                  I am guessing that you can not determine the true amount of say iodine from the decay or a ball park figure?
                  Would it not be better to show the ppm of radioactive elements?
                  Out of my depth.

                  • You can get a ballpark concentration by DPM/DPS, as the isotopes of most concern (iodine, strontium, cesium) do have reasonably steady decay rates. Or you could do a volume concentration measurement – xCi/volume, which is basically the radiological equivalent to ppm – and get a ballpark on decay. Measuring both at the same time is tricky, and not cheap.

                    They sometimes do it for you, which is useful if they aren't fudging. But they're almost always fudging. All measurements are/can be useful for given purposes, none are completely accurate when converted. That's called "FAPP" – For All Practical Purposes.

                    Same thing if you ever hear of factored internal dose, like to thyroid. Where a single rem's worth of external activity [.01 sievert] translates to 20 rem [.2 sievert] thyroid dose. But that's based on an 'average' – average adult set of lungs, average adult inalations per minute, and/or average ingestion of contaminated food/water in a given time period. That's not going to hold true for infants, children, old folks, women, or anybody else who isn't an 'average' adult male model. And how many of us are that? §;o)

                    • weeman

                      Joyb the world, all the boys and girls?

                      As i understand it in a nutshell?
                      The half life of any isotope does not happen at the same time and therefore it is a probability that X number will happen in set amount of time determines the count?
                      If so if they are reporting 3,000,000 disintegrations, what is the true count and the fudge factor, am I lost in space, thanks.

                • Averages are pretty much the best they can do, because no one can predict or know when any atom of any radionuclide will decay. For a given amount, it's fairly constant over the half-life, so it's a standard 'average' to calculate from there the actual concentration.

                  Of course, to get the decay reading for a given isotope to calculate concentration, it's got to be separated from the activity of any and all other radioisotopes present and decaying. Your basic GM or ion chamber meter-reader isn't going to give you that. TEPCO's got plenty good scintillation equipment on site, and still it reports the gross beta in monitor wells as "strontium and other beta emitters." Note they haven't listed 'em. Sometimes they'll mention tritium in passing, but not in tandem. They know exactly what's in there. They're only reporting some of it. And lying like dogs about there being no gamma or alpha in there. Essential impossibility.

                  Per doses and harm done, you need to understand that whatever is reported on the standard healthy adult male model must be tweaked for whoever you're worried about and how far they are from being the standard healthy adult male model. Plus, if you're old like me, the longest term issues aren't much of a consideration. If you're a six-month old baby, they're frightening.

                  • zogerke zogerke

                    its the kids….those we love and share raising…and wanting them to have a future…..

                  • weeman

                    Thanks joyb.
                    I should not have said half life but disintegrations, do not happen spontaneously .
                    3,000,000 is the average? Plus fudge factor.?
                    Thanks for your time and patience on this matter.

                    • 3 million beta particle detections per second in a liter (hell, they'd be testing a fraction of that just so their detector could read the activity without pegging on the highest setting, then multiplying by the fraction to get the liter's worth) is outrageous. Sans all other decaying isotopes in there amongst the strontium and tritium, and not counting ANY gamma or alpha. That's nasty enough to be taken from a little centiliter lab flask with a chunk of corium sitting in it. Which, come to think of it, is what it is. Minus the flask.

          • MarineChemist

            Activity (A in Bq) normalized to a volume or mass is used to determine concentration in the following way:

            A/litre (Bq/L) = m (mass in g)/M (molar mass in g per mole) x Avogadros Number (~6.02 x 10^23 per mole) x ln(2)/half-life of isotope in 1L

            So for example, for 90-Sr, 1 mBq/L corresponds to roughly 3E-18 mole/L or 3E-16 g/L or about 2 million atoms of 90-Sr in a litre of seawater.

          • ok to use your posts on this thread for an article about scientific deception? with credit to you?

  • Ontological Ontological

    Let's get this lie straight. Well if these figures are correct, a little more than Chernobyl seems a tad wrong. 4x more fuel was just in the reactors. So 240 quadrillion, or is it. peta bq total when the timed release is done. Somebody help me with this homework, uncertain what this is telling us. I'd have been FIRED by now for all this incompetence. Gawd. I think the U & P word is missing in this recipe also. Probably the baby formulae version.

    • razzz razzz

      Dr. Busby is on it via, surprisingly enough. Since SFP 4 had a recent core load in it, could be the same as Unit 3 blowing up or worse.

      "…Let me lead you through what the spent fuel pond of Reactor 4 contains in the way of radionuclides. I was taken to task after my last article for not listing enough of the radionuclide contaminants. So for the record, though some may find it boring, let me remedy that. It is an impressive list of lethal material:

      Strontium-89, Strontium-90, Yttrium-90, Zirconium-95, Niobium-95, Ruthenium-106, Rhodium-106, Antimony-125, Iodine-131, Xenon-133, Caesium-137, Caesium-134, Cerium-144 (loads of this), Protoactinium-147, Europium-154, Plutonium-238, 239, 240, 241, Americium (Yes)-241 and 243, Curium-242,243,244, and of course Uranium 238,235 and 234.

      These are the main ones. There are a lot more, and decay daughters of these also. It is a scary amount of invisible death. The total quantity of all these in the spent fuel pool of reactor 4 is about 1021 Becquerels, if we leave out the noble gases and iodines maybe 1020 (that is, 1 with 20 zeroes). Maybe 50 to 100 Chernobyl accidents worth, or more depending on what you believe came out of Chernobyl.

      I list these because it should be made quite clear that the concentration of the media on the radio-caesiums and plutoniums and iodines is a very partial story. More discourse manipulation…"

      • We Not They Finally

        Yttrium-90 (the third radionuclide listed) is apparently the one that wrecks the pancreas. Note that in May 2012, 60% of children under the age of twelve in the Fukushima area already had DIABETES! We don't hear a word about this. It has to be even way worse by now. Untreated diabetes is a killer. Even if it IS untreated, it's obviously just one escalating link in a chain of disastrous illnesses hitting these people.

      • gottagetoffthegrid

        Great post razzz!

    • hbjon hbjon

      Every known chemical toxin that you can put in a cauldron and mix together is considered to be like "mothers milk", when compared to the toxicity of U or P. The serious nature of these releases is realized when one understands that a lethal dose is a million times less in quantity than some normal household chemicals that industry considers to be poisonous.

  • Nick

    If an atom with a tendency to decay is toxic at the atomic level, how is there a safe level of same atom?

    Our DNA can handle quite a bit of abuse but the astronomical amounts of atoms pouring out of Fukushima 24/7/365 is going to strain tremendous sectors of the biosphere.

    That is a fact.

    Irrefutably so.

    Seems our world is becoming a simpler one.

    • zogerke zogerke

      that is clarity speaking.

    • truthseek truthseek

      well said – quotable.

    • How many doses of death came out of Fukushima?

      Depending on how you figure it, one nano 'hot' particle breathed in and sticking in your lung can, after proper incubation, kill you from lung cancer.

      How many 'hot' particles came out of Fukushima TOTAL?

      How many 'hot' particles were plutonium based, which is especially deadly?

      Anyone care to count? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,

  • Rufus

    Considering that cesium 137 is not a naturally occurring isotope, just how many bequerels do they recommend having inside me?
    I stop at one or two.

    • Depends on where it is, and what damage it does to what body part.

      Would you agree to have the cesium particle right next to or inside a sperm, which then fertilizes an egg, which is your next child?

      Guaranteed deformity, birth defect, or genetic disease, or worse, due to DNA breakage while the cell is replicating itself at a very high rate of speed…

      The only safe dose is 0. times 0 = 0

  • Cisco Cisco

    If you believe Cullen's numbers and Kenny boy's assessments, I got 2 bridges for sale, for you! Dial 1-800-you-fool.

  • Mack Mack

    Regarding radionuclides in food, Dr. Yuri Bandazhevsky said:

    “The extraordinarily high Japanese government standard for food contamination limit of 100 Bq/kg is equivalent to low level radioactive waste that is supposed to be stored in drum cans.”

    So if 100 Bq/kg is “equivalent to low level radioactive waste that is supposed to be stored in drum cans” what are the higher allowable levels around the world doing to us?

    “Allowable” limits of Cesium 134 + 137 —> 

    U.S. = 1,200 Bq/kg
    European Union = 1,000 Bq/kg
    Codex = 1,000 Bq/kg
    Singapore = 1,000 Bq/kg
    Phillipines = 1,000 Bq/kg
    Canada = 1,000 Bq/kg
    Taiwan = 370 Bq/kg
    South Korea = 370 Bq/kg

    And that’s just for Cesium 134 and 137.

    There are also “allowable” amounts for Srontium-90, Iodine-131, Plutonium, Americium, etc. and also “allowable” amounts for radiation in the air we breathe and the water/milk we drink

    Now, add to this the increasing background radiation:

    In the 1950’s, background radiation was apparently:
    100 mrem a year

    In 1971, it was raised to
    170 mrem a year

    In 2011, it was raised to
    620 mrem a year

    Remember, radiation is cumulative.

    • +1

      Food chain,
      …got it.

    • Daisy207

      And what are acceptable levels in milk – fed to babies. Carrots and potatoes- mashed and fed to babies. In cereal – fed to babies. In apples and other fruit – fed to babies. In meat fed to babies. In fruit juice fed to babies. Much less all of this fed to adults and pregnant women. TPTB are not exempt from exposure – they will be just as effected – what about their children and grandchildren. Anybody know anyone high up in the government who has quit their job and is moving south? There are an awful lot of expensive homes on the West Coast on the market – who do they think is going to buy them. If just detectable readings of radon in a home can crash the price imagine what cesium will do.

      • unincredulous unincredulous

        Well, babies are just screwed. Honestly. I read that the FDA does not recommend giving flouride to infants. I guess that is a 0 for allowed dosages.

        However, if you go to Walmart, you will see some water in the bottled water section that is marked "with Flouride added for infants."

        Infants don't write their congressmen. "Infants got mommies with money…"

        • unincredulous unincredulous

          Sorry, still thinking about the poor babies…

          Apple flavored — now with added radiation…for babies!!
          Banana flavored — now with added radiation… compare to a flight to Tokyo !!(game on back of box) Breast flavored — now with added radiation!! With chewy "tumorettes"!!! Play cancer scare ( internet link to game included!) Rain fresh from the sky —now with added radiation. Attentiiooon MOMS!! New Huggies with radiation dosemeters, for multitasking mums!!!!

          not funny, but coming, I'm sure.

          • harengus_acidophilus

            Playing with instincts, why?

            "Sorry, still thinking about the poor babies"
            "Attentiiooon MOMS!! New Huggies with radiation dosemeters,"

            What do you want, moms in blind rage
            or working together for a better world?

            I'm just curious.


    • obewanspeaks obewanspeaks

      Is it a coincidence that as the background radiation readings climbed higher since 1950, that the world's cancer rates also increased drastically worldwide too?

      SInce 1950 we have seen many high energy stormy sporadic weather conditions and the direct heating of the planet which appears to mirror these ever climbing background radiation readings, which some now call global warming/climate change?

      Evidence is mounting that all this constant ongoing released radiation contamination in all forms is now heating up/cooking the planet and all of us along with it… 🙁

    • "Allowable" is such a weasel word. What's already out there in our air and water is essentially unavoidable, in that there's nothing the EPA or your local water treatment plant can do to remove it from your environment. So of course they just keep on raising the "allowable" limits for whatever's there, because if they didn't we'd all have to be 'sheltering in place' for the whole of our lives and we'd still be exposed via the food and water we must consume to stay alive.

      So I don't think of "allowable" concentrations as in any way not-harmful or deadly, I simply consider them to be what the government expects to see or is already seeing. They may or may not let anybody know if the limits are exceeded, more likely just raise the limits again. I have no expectation they'd ever tell us to take action to protect ourselves and our families.

    • deaddolphins simonhhh

      All you guys/girls are just brilliant…between the gallows humor and the true facts [tin tacks as my dad would say] FUKU will end up being 1000's of Chernobyl's…
      I got a Condo for sale on the west coast…cheeeeeeeep at half the price [just kidding]

  • Nick

    Until we stop relying on nuclear energy for some of our electricity, all of us are guilty.

    Every server on the planet has some tie to a grid somewhere, and within that grid is nuclear energy.

    We can think our electrons are pure, that they only are generated from "green" sources, but the fact that we are all inter-connected through vast grids, belies the "nuclear free" myth.

    The world is a complicated beast, our simple minds can easily trick us into simplistic thinking.

    To call for the abolition of nuclear energy (and weapons) will probably be the most impossible endeavor humans will ever undertake.

    But if we don't?

    Then we probably will all suffer in ways not even imagined.

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      Nuclear energy generation isn't just about electricity. It's a huge number of industries employing people from every walk of life, every discipline, every profession. Consider the full nuclear fuel life cycle.
      It's a huge monstrous nuclear industrial complex. Where the balance between the nuclear industrial complex vs. public safety is heavily skewed towards the former. And if somebody's going to go extinct, I hope it's also the former.

      • Such a nice, neat circle, with no escaping 'messy' radiation leaks, spills, accidents, or mega disasters. All tidy, logical, orderly, and scientific.

        See honey, we NEED this.. they got it all figured out, what with the cool graphic and all those fancy names… MOX, tailings, DU…

        We need so much more of these cool circle games… we all need more radiation, via hormesis theory.

        Just think, we can spread DU around the world, so everyone can shared in this fun game of hormesis. So cool… everyone will be so happy when we give them these DU presents, nuclear radiation and plutonium hot particles..

        See honey, the children are… wait, where are the children?

        Honey, did you see where the kids went?


      • haizedustrium-1234 haizedustrium-1234

        One very interesting node there with two strong inputs and no output (according to the diagram) – the DISPOSAL node. Can it be a balloon you blow up bigger and bigger ……. or a credential fail perhaps?

      • zogerke zogerke

        btw got some weird warnings about the page being unsafe.

  • bozzy54


    Mass animal die off "due to mysteryest illness" or unknown reasons. (World wide)

    Since January 01 2014, I'm not a religious man but these death numbers continue to climb.

    Has anybody in the past fifty years ever seen these numbers and if so let me know.

    • Phil Shiffley Phil Shiffley

      Check the 2011 list. I was actually even more creeped out to realize these massive animal death patterns were happening before Fukushima. Is it methane due to geological activity? I'm also thinking of all the global sinkholes we were seeing everywhere for a while but no longer seem to hear about.

    • amberlight amberlight

      As bad as the Fukushima disaster is, there have been other mass die-off events in modern times, mostly thanks to man-made toxins and habitat loss due to human encroachment. In the late 60s or early 70s I recall a massive sudden mortality of thousands of sheep in Utah resulting from some testing gone awry at Dugway Proving Ground. Somebody actually rented a billboard on a highway near Salt Lake City with a photo of the dead sheep littering the ground and the words "This could have been PEOPLE!" but I don't recall folks rising up in protest. Evidently it would have to have actually been people to make a dent in the collective consciousness.

      To my mind the signature Fukushima effect, besides the terrible human toll in Japan, are the sudden crises that have arisen in the Pacific Ocean since March 2011. Too many, too abruptly to be the effect of the ongoing toxic trespass or even naval sonar testing, although I suspect the immune systems of many organisms have been weakened over time due to these influences.

  • bozzy54

    Forgot s after death
    Sorry bozzy

  • razzz razzz

    If there are 425+ nuke reactors worldwide, not all of them run at once. Some are shutdown for refueling or maintenance. When they are shutdown, they draw off the grid to run massive pumps to circulate cooling waters to keep the cores and spent fuels cool. A must. So, at anytime the reliance on nuke power is less than one might think is in usage. Certainly not cost effective considering all the related expenses of storing wasted fuel and decommissioning plants, etc. A great and unnecessary expense to the rate and tax payers. Not considering the intended and unintended radioactive fallout effects on health and healthcare costs or the general well being of the human race and planet earth.

    Conserving power usage by eliminating excess and wasteful usage or upgrading to less power hungry everyday item i.e. LED lighting or switching over to solar would more than makeup for the loss or shutting down of all nuclear generated electricity.

  • GOM GOM Uploaded by Michael Jackson himself in 2009. This is the orginal un-cut version. What the hell are we doing…

    • GOM GOM

      P.S.- 33,000,000 have watched this..

      • harengus_acidophilus

        "Take a break, waste your time!"

        Like this?
        Oh look at these nice MSM sheeple drugs!
        Consume TV, don't think!
        Forget education, have fun!


        • clamshellernh clamshellernh

          Eesh let up you are on a fishing expedition on GOM .she does post some great stuff as well and makes the place warmer for discourse .
          I was so ambivalent prior to posting here because I thought I'd look like an idiot , I did by the way , but had it not been for her Bo and a number of other posters here I would not still be here posting away .
          I've seen a lot of mean spirited stuff here lately is it something in the air ?

          • harengus_acidophilus

            Stirring up emotions or searching for solutions?

            "let up you are on a fishing expedition on GOM"

            The events in the last weeks have had focused my attraction to some illogical argumentations pasted on a makeshift with emotions. So, I become curious about the why. Emotions can't replace reasons.

            Why are we using this site?
            Just for emotional reliefs or to gather
            reasonable information about the situation?

            What about this rumors, hateful theories, pinpointing to invisible or virtuall enemies and all this "I've got THE solution" crap? What's the benefit to whom?

            It's the message, not the messenger I argue against, but a summation of messages sometimes rubs off.
            Cause or effect? We'll see.


        • GOM GOM

          harengus. I find that small gestures of kindness and insight are often overlooked. I never meant anyone any harm. I wish you, Admin and anyone who has ever read any of my post [often silly questions] Godspeed in the future. GOM out…

        • GOM GOM

          harengus. You suffer from Pyschological Projection. I should have caught that. Your dumb-ass can go look it up. You are most likely already diagnosed, and due to your constant aggressive behavior, and passive/aggressive post, I would say your meds are out-of-whack. Please refrain from making any more insulting remarks toward the posters here and Americans in general.

          • harengus_acidophilus

            At least, you're going agressive …

            "You suffer from Pyschological Projection"
            ad hominem

            "Your dumb-ass can go look it up."
            ad hominem & insult

            "You are most likely already diagnosed"
            Ph.D. incognito?

            "your constant aggressive behavior, and passive/aggressive post"
            Pinpointing lies is agressive?

            "I would say your meds are out-of-whack."
            ad hominem & insult
            Remember, the USSR forced dissidents im lunatic asylums … same style

            "Please refrain from making any more insulting remarks toward the posters"
            That's in admins hands, not yours.
            @Admin: some words?

            "and Americans in general."
            Just against your proposed "american superority", you're just humans like every human in the world. It's a matter of perspective. Every nation has his history, we shouldn't forget this simple FACT. Most of these historys aren't "nice to digest", we have to live with.


            • harengus_acidophilus

              I for one find myself having to roll my eyes far too often these days, not just with GOM's 'social' focus (tedious but not maddening), but also with your constant 'stalking' behavior toward that user and petty fight-picking. Which is not to say I don't enjoy a good mud wrestling diversion, but it gets really old really fast.

              We're all familiar with the playbook, so this kind of thing can too easily be assigned to a single multi-pseud here to sow dissension as well as disinfo. Knock it off.

              Please respond to my post –

              THIS kind of thing is definitely maddening. No measure of environmental radioactivity is ever expressed as differential dose (internal vs. external). Unless the source actually qualifies it thus, and I haven't seen that from ANY source since this disaster occurred.

              • harengus_acidophilus


                The balance between "brain" and "stomach" is not my profession. I confess, I'm more the brain type and don't need a socal candy at every opinion.
                We'll never find a way out of this mess, if we
                only assure each other what nice people we are.

                I have experienced the grimace of hate on this site. For truths. Painful truths are also truths. To wish someone hung or to build an atomic bomb … in essence, it's the same.

                Sooner or later, a "Carrington event" will occur.
                So, we're running out of time and only a world wide effort can stop this nuclear madness. No time for hate and grooming. No use in nationalism, supremacy or what else. If we not act as "the family of mankind" [mother] nature will eradicate "the naked ape".


                • I tend to – or try to – ignore hate whenever it rears its ugly head. Playing to it is worse than just a 'waste' of time, it's a mal-use of time. Note the prefix. I used it on purpose.

                  If the entire grid goes down for an extended vacation, we can hope all the plants don't melt. The ones with reliable backup can maintain isolation cooling circulation indefinitely if they've got diesel. Diesel isn't affected by solar mass ejections. The few with UNreliable backup will go down. Hopefully those will be inland.

                  Going gung ho on this technology was suicidal from the git-go, and they all knew it. Hell, in the planning stages none of 'em really believed it would last more than a few decades as most before people woke up and ended the insanity. Then politicians got involved, and their PR machinery. There's never been any real accounting for them…

                  • harengus_acidophilus


                    "The ones with reliable backup can maintain
                    isolation cooling circulation "

                    With a lots of maybe's.
                    Would the transients of a geomagnetic storm
                    spare the wires inside a NPP? I'm not sure.

                    Even at this site, I found myself confronted with mind boggling … willingful stupidity. Examples: x-raying earth to find the coria, nuking Fukushima, exploding hydrocarbons w/o Oxygen, flying coria … and always the strange smell of "Godwin's".

                    Are we really in the 21st century?


                  • harengus_acidophilus


                    "Diesel isn't affected by solar mass ejections."
                    That's true for diesel itself, but is it true for "diesel supply"?
                    The stock diesel onsite for (depends) 8-48 hours. The pumps work with electricity, people go nuts w/o electricity and most of them are armed, the roads …


            • deaddolphins simonhhh

              harengus_acidophilus…we are all on the good ship "Titanic" here…quit arguing over the color of the deckchairs already…om mani padme hum

              • harengus_acidophilus

                would have a better comparision

                "we are all on the good ship "Titanic" here"

                To clarify: IT'S A METAFOR (suitable to TV addicts)
                It's like a scene in the movie "Pulp Fiction",
                "the Bonnie situation"
                Fukushima in special and nuclear in general
                are like Marvin in the car with a headshot.
                Bonnie is the next solar storm.
                Now we need to call "Wolfe".

                But most people prefer to cry.


    • demo demo

      Thnx for this, GOM: Imo, very important for emotional release. If we allow ourselves to grieve, and feel gratitude for the beauty of life, constructive ideas blossom and we are inspired to act. I recommend watching to the end. If singin and stompin could heal it all!

  • bozzy54

    I just finished another book, Atomic Awakening. By; James Mahaffey per Fukushima. The book is informative and has a story at the end about the Dawson forest, Dawson county. Georgia. The just of this reactor being raised 10 feet above ground level would kill everything beyond 3750 foot Dia. Including gauges and would harden rubber. These materials are highly dangerest and should have not been released at any level anytime.

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    When it comes to food I think we can rely on something better than our intellects if we need to. The intellect is vulnerable to bad information. It can reason perfectly but from bad in put. Of course I realize that science and contemporary philosophy like to see everything as physical including most importantly the brain–the organic calculator. But this reasoning of theirs is driven by a desire to escape completely the idea of a super nature. So NDE's don't happen but are hallucinations–the facts say otherwise. Try assuming that you have a finer higher subtler source of knowing when you shop. Things you may think are bad are often good and vice versa. What about corruption in the organic food industry? Mislabeling? Simple mistakes? Try being intuitive instead of "scientific". In that way you will greatly enhance your chance of surviving well. At least give it a try. The universe is far more intricate and complex than we have been educated to think. It is really beyond our capacity to comprehend. Avoid the hubris of modern scientific thought. Good luck.

    • bozzy54

      Coming up for air Capt. Nemo thanks

    • bo bo

      Captain I love your your thought process…

      What's NDE brw ?

        • NDE is usually a "Near-Death Experience." The whole 'tunnel of light' thing too often written off in ridiculous ways by scientistic types who refuse to acknowledge that the subjectivity of conscious experience can be valid despite the fact that it's all any of us actually have upon which to base anything – the very definition of "Empirical Evidence." Our interpretations can be wrong, but the actual evidence of the experience cannot be wrong.

    • harengus_acidophilus

      I see

      You mean: forget yor brain, act like an animal?
      To be human, we have to use reason AND instinct.


      • NDE usually means someone died, went over to the other 'side' and then came back.

        This is always a life transforming experience.

        Those who did this in the aborigine world were always shamans..

        So whether you get struck by lightning, die on the operating table, and then come back, know that you have something of great value to share with all of the rest of humanity.

  • tsfw tsfw

    I recently watched some of Darren Brown's shows, and he demonstrates how incredibly easy it is for us to be manipulated by the media etc…they're also highly entertaining videos. Just youtube his name if you're interested, there are loads.

  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    At some point, sheltering in place won't be enough, unless it's in the Southern Hemisphere.

  • 富岡_Blue_Heron 富岡_Blue_Heron

    "Anyone offshore can detect those isotopes. It is leaking, continuously at low levels of cesium, compared to the release — nothing like the 100 of, or 50 to 80 petabecquerels in 2011."

    On who's readings is Mr Buesseler basing his opinion? Tepco's? The last "anyone" I saw cruising around offshore was a patrol boat and it didn't hang around long.

  • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

    News at Google very anemic. Just like after 9/11. Can we eat sushi? The Olympics would be jeopardized. Suzuki regrets. And many similar etc.'s. It is hard to be believe many have a college education in America until I reflect on what that has become. A kind of remedial high school. Too late by then. For most. Just how bad? Consider the future and the world's many nuclear plants and more to come. In that light extremely bad, because nothing will stop the Monsters. Take a job in a large corporation and watch how your attitude changes. Watch how your friends from college drift away–at least the ones that care about animals and environment and all that sensitive stuff. Here, take a big drink of this. Have you considered psychiatric medication for your evident depression. No. I would advise you give it some thought. How is the wife? Glad you have such a good income. Well, there is that. Now your company does what in South America? Oh. No, let's don't go there. Just wondered. I have an appointment. Good luck.


    Dear Admin: Before I go, I would like to say that I am saddened to see this wonderful site turning into a playground for bullies as evidenced on this thread [and others]. I wish you Godspeed for you and yours in the turbulent times ahead.

    • SadieDog

      GOM, Do what I did. Take a nite off and a deep breath. And for the record I wasn't mad at you for the hippie thing. I just resemble that remark. 😉 And this is one hippie who appreciates what your husband did and it's not the same but I had a best friend die( a person ) in 2000. He was a door gunner in Vietnam and was eaten up with cancer. Also exposed to agent orange. Stick around.

      • GOM GOM

        Sadie. I will miss 'sparring' with you. [Mine was a door gunner too]. Good-luck.

        • weeman

          Remember tune in not out,
          We all have a part to play and the world is our stage, all the people are players, turn on the spotlight it yours?

    • Capt. Nemo Capt. Nemo

      I am familiar with what you are experiencing. The person who has harassed you is carrying a lot of frustration and memories of bad experiences. So they are drawn to some place where they can express some of it. It may not seem fair. It may not seem right, but that is our human lot. And they look for some one who is vulnerable to what they want to put forth. To avoid this one has to be very careful not to put personal stuff out where the wrong people will use it. You have to stay detached. Humor and a philosophical cast seem best. Plato and George Carlin for example. Yes, I can commend highly those wonderful wits.
      At a comment section at the Guardian someone decided that I was a Nazi. If they disliked what I wrote, then they would say, oh well he is a Nazi. You begin to feel unwelcome! Hope you recover soon and come back refreshed and strengthened.

  • SadieDog

    This is for everyone that served in Vietnam. Jimi Hendrix, Machine Gun –


    harengus: You still around. You see I have been watching your posts. Going back through them. You are an unimaginable bas*ard. First of all I Know that on 1/21 @9:14p Scien Amer thread] you called me a Sturmabteilung after 9 years in Germany, I know this means Nazi, you put up a link to the Nazi stuff. Also I am Jewish; 1/21 @8:35 [Officals..thread] you berated our schools, and called people "fear driven magical thinkers". ON THIS SAME THREAD, YOU SAID TOMMORROW, HOW TO BURN A WITCH". THAT WOULD BE ME. On another thread you berated Americans for having slaughtered Native Americans. HOW DID THESE PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS? Your post are derogatory and hateful for the most part. But you manage to stay under the radar. Remember when I said I didn't trust you? You got worried. That is why you want me gone. Admin please let me say this. Sneaking around making slanderous remarks is pitiful enough, but calling someone [you put the link in German]a Nazi is barbarian.

    • weegokiburi weegokiburi

      If you can keep your head when all about you
      Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
      If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
      But make allowance for their doubting too;
      If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
      Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
      Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
      And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

      If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
      If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
      If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
      And treat those two impostors just the same;
      If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
      Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
      Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
      And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

      If you can make one heap of all your winnings
      And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
      And lose, and start again at your beginnings
      And never breathe a word about your loss;
      If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
      To serve your turn long after they are gone,
      And so hold on when there is nothing in you
      Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

      If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
      Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
      If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
      If all men count with you, but none too much;
      If you can fill the unforgiving minute
      With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
      Yours is…

    • weegokiburi weegokiburi

      If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
      Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
      If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
      If all men count with you, but none too much:
      If you can fill the unforgiving minute
      With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
      Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
      And—which is more—you'll be a Man, my son!
      Rudyard Kipling

      It works for women too.

    • Ontological Ontological

      Few lame attempts on me also, thanks e1 for helping me deal with this lithium ion pair. Perhaps monoatomic gold to break the duality.

    • harengus_acidophilus

      Nice, an eye opener …

      "You still around."
      I'm around since April 2011, every day.

      "You see I have been watching your posts."
      Congratulations, here is your Au-198 star.

      "You are an unimaginable bas*ard."

      "you called me a Sturmabteilung after 9 years in Germany"
      No, I've just explained, what the abbreviation YOU use stands for. 9 years in germany … you knew this.
      "Also I am Jewish" Like the Rothschilds?

      "you berated our schools, and called people
      "fear driven magical thinkers"."
      Yes. If an adult person, who is able to read and write
      asks about "flying coria" how should this be named?

      With a tiny detail more, you don't tell.
      This sentence was enclosed with <sarc></sarc>
      Read the context, judge again.

      I don't think, you're the center of the world. You?
      >> If the shoe fits, pulling him close. <<

      "you berated Americans for having slaughtered Native Americans."
      Take a look in your history. Pure facts. Don't like facts?
      You're not better or badder than others, just humans.

      "Your post are derogatory and hateful for the most part."
      It was a true desciption of the past. Want deny this?

      "But you manage to stay under the radar."
      This is a very interesting sentence.
      I know how to protect my hard- and software.
      It would be interesting to achieve,
      in which way you've gained this knownledge.

      "Sneaking around" on a…

  • That cesium 137 is some nasty stuff! They must really want population control pretty badly. I can't believe this Fukushima crap is still going on, not fixed yet? It's time to stop this asap and seal it all off until they can push enough zeolyte in it to stop the spread of toxic cesium 137 and iodine 131!

    • That Strontium is the real killer, the one they don't talk about

      • And plutonium is just icing on the cake?

        Plutonium is the ONE thing that they avoid talking about or mentioning..


        Because it is 2 million times more toxic than arsenic

        In a dog plutonium inhalation study, all the dogs died, within 1.5 to 5 years.

        No other radioactive element compares…

        We are all in a global plutonium hot particle experiment right now… the incubation time clock is ticking away..

        How many billions of people on the planet inhaled some? HOw many stuck? How many will be affected?

        Any guesses?

        Dr. Paulo Scampa took a stab at it above..

        Arnie Gunderson taught everyone about the dangers of hot particles..

        • Plutonium dog study.

          "How many will be affected?" – DG

          IMO – Everyone and everything, one way or another.

        • We Not They Finally

          BOTH plutonium and uranium got aerosolized as nano-particles when reactor 3 blew. Chris Busby thinks that that specifically is what has been killing off the plankton, bottom of the food chain, bio-accumulating, and then bio-magnifying UP the food chain. He thinks that that may be the primary cause of the collapse of the Pacific Ocean eco-system.

          The human lung cancers from plutonium "hot particles" will be showing up in the years to come.

          You are totally correct about plutonium, Dr. G. Just with the proviso that it also seems to show up with uranium, which is also deadly.

        • deaddolphins simonhhh

          Dr Goodheart…

        • Daisy207

          And the one no one is talking about – tritium – which probably constitutes 80% or more of the water discharges from fukushima. It is water – just heavy water – a beta emitter – with a half life of 12 + years. It behaves like regular water – which means it will rain out any time the weather systems have picked up water from the Pacific – it will be incorporated into food supplies everywhere – no one will be exempt – which might explain why the east coast lights up every time it rains or snows on the east coast on NETC. Years before Fukushima I was reading articles on endocrine disruptive compounds and declines in male sperm counts world wide – the graphs were alarming suggesting that even 10 years ago the last males to father children may have already been born. Fukushima is the icing on the cake.

        • I guess my take on that is that the strontium is still being released. The plutonium damage is for the most part already done.

          Work on what we can change….the strontium.

  • clamshellernh clamshellernh

    GOM i just don't know what to say aside from this site has become a part of us .
    Should it be a port in the storm I ask ?
    I'm trying to figure this out
    In the meantime I seek to learn as much as I can
    It's awful what this h has been doing chasing you around
    The drama of it all is hard to believe
    We are in a chat room
    What has become of our lives
    Wayyyyyy ot I'm tired and going to bed
    Rest up for a clearer head
    Come back tomorow and jut be strong we have to be hopefully this will stop d
    Don't let it get to you .

  • My calcs are that the current amount of rads released to date will result in an ocean level of 47 to 500 Bq/ CF in a 5000 mile by 5000 mile area of Pacific, where 95% of the rads stay in the top 200 feet of the bio-plane. That depends on how much TEPCO has been lying.

    That is not "huge" but it is Significant.

    • weegokiburi weegokiburi

      Be clear.
      TEPCO have a long history of lying and cover up going back decades.
      I remember official references of them falsifing records/reports etc. going back decades.
      Not just them.
      It's endemic in the nuclear industry.
      If its significant based on their numbers its beyond huge in reality.

      • The nuclear industry Pinochio nose, along with their radiation, has circled the earth 100,000,000 times already.

        • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

          Yeah…Tell that to my other tomatoes.

          I got my nose on day 400.

          Hey Jack…when did you say you got your nose?

          • You mean nose full?

            Or nose as in breathing in the 'aroma' of wine, to taste the nuances of the grape harvest via the olfactory senses?

            Many radiation victims reporting nosing radiation, that is has a smell or combination taste…

            • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

              DG…nose refers to the aprox day I found this little tomatoe, on my backyard raised bed, avatar after FukiBlew. It may be off a bit. August '12 was the date.

              I have found others since, not all at the same time or same location on my property. Jack in '13. Jill in '12.
              I imagine dragons I'll have some more this year.

              As they are born, I photograph them, log them into this world, for the truth be known, these little buitees don't last real long, with early rot being a major problem with many.

              • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

                Now…as to your nosing radiation.

                I believe I can smell it in RUST. Iron I believe.

                In cooking…on motorcycles…

                it has this strong smell of…basically rust of some type, just not iron. Maybe something else with it?

                It, to me, is much stronger.

  • PhilipUpNorth PhilipUpNorth

    The full reactor load of Reactors1-3 has been put at 690PBq for cesium.
    It is my contention that 690PBq is the true number for cesium released from Reactors1-3.
    100% of the total fuel load of Reactors1-3 has been released into the environment.

    The entire cores of Reactors1-3 has been released into nature:
    Some blew up into the sky when the reactors blew.
    Some has burned and steamed for years.
    Some leaked out of broken containment vessels, through numerous cracks, leaks, and holes.
    Some corium splatter remaining within broken containment vessels, is open to the environment through holes, cracks, and vent stacks, and must be included in the total releases figure.
    Some flowed with groundwater into the sea.
    Some is corium, deep in the ground underneath Reactors1-3.

    But all of it is gone.
    All 690PBq is gone.
    So put THAT in your pipe, and smoke it, TEPCO. 😉

    • Now add the spent fuel pools…

      • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

        Yes…we tend to forget the pools…

        • Now add the seemingly never ending releases from the three coriums spewing a Niagara Falls of whatever radiation is left over after all of the above..

          Then dive back into the normalcy bias, where it all goes away..


          That was a close one..

          • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

            I can tell we almost lost ya there DG. It's been a roller-coaster of a ride, unfortunatly the force of gravity only works in one way and some don't understand this until it gets shortened…

            what if we dynamite away a large hunk of anti-artic ice, float it over…machine process it and develope an ice gun army that you go in and shoot down the hot demons throat?

            That might be a start?

  • jump-ball jump-ball

    'When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping', and this $16,000, 110 lb. SE INTL 'GAMMA PAL' food tester may not look so expensive to food producers, vendors, institutions, and restaurants if Fuku contamination concentrations continue to increase.

    Called SE, told me they have one unit available, or else 6-8 weeks for next delivery. I'll hypothesize that within a year SE will increase production, and these and other units will be going into use at food production, distribution, and sales locations.

    And that authorities will ban any labeling or representation such as "RN Approved' (RadioNuclide), so as to protect us from needless concern as they have done by suppressing GMO labeling.

    • pinksailmatt pinksailmatt

      The rich will buy this. They will make money on it.

      Is it compatible with our own personal direction?

    • Agreed… +1000000

      Ramp up production, if the worst happens, with that lone sailor report of a 3,000 mile dead zone headed our way..

      this and all other devices will be selling like hotcakes.. literally

  • Does anyone here own one of these? What is your experience with it?

  • ruppert

    Why are people wasting time and postings complaining about how their feelings were hurt? Let's talk about ideas and any ways to solve or mitigate what is happening?

    People need to be thicker skinned and not waste time responding to people that piss them off. I'm not saying we should attack and be mean but when you respond and further continue what was said then it just wastes more time on the retorts etc.

    Bullies of any sort feed off of attention and being responded to. I'm not going to name names but I just ignore mindless criticisms and want to know about any ideas people have.

    If a person is a bully they will gravitate to anyone that will feed into that. Forget the petty arguments and focus on what ideas you can contribute to the conversation as a whole.

    Also taking it upon yourself to be the one to identify and point out other poster's behaviors makes you appear like the thought police.

    Maybe I'm giving people too much credit but I think we are all adults here and don't need to have people scolded to recognize their "bad" behavior and if we're smart, we won't engage with any baiting they may do.

    • artika rama

      ruppert I think we all need some support every now and then ,, this is a looong road and many of us (including myself ) may get tired of it ,,it may get too much sometimes ,, so i see no harm in giving some emotional support to each other ,, just a confirmation of theri good and positive efforst is enough most of the time . These are difficult times .

    • SykeWar(DELETED) SykeWar

      When attacked one must defend. It's the bullies in the world that have turned it to shit. How about THEY grow some thick skin for a change? They're gonna need it. Mr. Nice Guy died from radiation and chemical poisoning. It's unfortunate it has to be here. But it HAS to be EVERYWHERE and ALL THE TIME or we will lose this earth for good. Is this what you want? I'm all for sharing ideas – there's much to learn. But if true science won't be let out, what's the point? You have to be FREE to be FREE.

    • GOM GOM

      ruppert. Point taken.

  • ruppert

    I said nothing about not supporting others in these hard times but we have bigger issues to deal with then fighting posters that are trying to get a reaction.

    I agree that you have to defend yourself when your credibility is attacked but it seems much time that could be better used discussing useful ideas or strategies gets wasted fighting with childish posters that are baiting others to prevent them from sharing their ideas.

    These forum fights are what turn people off from coming onto the forum which is a great loss. I'm not saying to ignore anyone that attacks you but at some point you just have to ignore them.

    We have a very serious situation going on and we are wasting time with petty childish flame wars.