Published: November 20th, 2012 at 7:37 am ET
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Title: Video: Former prosecutor comments on explosion
Source: WISH News 8
Author: Debby Knox
Date: 19 Nov 2012, 10:38 PM EST
Former Prosecutor Greg Garrison: Natural gas tends to go like this [up] and often leaves the entire rubble pile right where it landed. If you’ve got stuff going like so [sideways] one might wonder about a different type of accelerant or an explosive detonated in the middle of that. Something has happened. ATF’s [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] been in there. Somebody’s sniffed out that there is something different. It could end up something postage stamp sized It could end up being some sort of granular residue. [...]
Watch: Prosecutor: Explosion investigated as homicide
Published: November 20th, 2012 at 7:37 am ET
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Another news story said they are looking for a white van seen in the area the day of the blast was this a terror cell most vans used by terrorists like the first trade center explosion white vans
Markww
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Terroist always use white vans
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That's cause the Gov't uses the Black ones, LOL
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http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-south-side-disaster-explosion-police-offering-reward-for-information-about-white-van-seen-prior-to-e-20121119,0,798584.column
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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/deadly-indianapolis-home-explosion-now-criminal-homicide-investigation-source-says
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Full article pictures info on white van maybe 4 people involved as to 4 people this whole thing could have been a terror cell going around tossing their bombs or planting them and driving away sounds like how al Qaeda would work if a cell
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/indianapolis-home-explosion-now-homicide_n_2161680.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D236424
Markww
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Doubtful.
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Washington wants us to believe it terrorism, so they can't take away more of our freedoms. Don't fall for it.
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or…. they want a reason to bomb the crap out of another sovereign country in the Middle East, ya never know
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You friggen nailed it brother
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terrorism, is nonsense.
Terrorists don't go to Indiana, they go to major cities.
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Here is a generalized map patb. However, they can be located anywhere. http://www.standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/Terrorist_cells.html
Radical, terrorists go to mosques to pray just as moderate, peaceful muslims do. Here is a list of some mosques in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_the_United_States
"In an interview last October, Rep Peter King, R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, stated he was convinced that Iranian diplomats out of New York and Washington, D.C., were involved with terrorist forces in Iran, attempting to spy on America.
The source says these cells are divided into two groups: one is operational and awaits the order to attack; the other gathers information, monitoring such sensitive sites as power plants, water and food distribution, refineries, railroads and others along with information on officials of the host countries and their activities. This information, transferred to Iran, is being used by the Quds Force command in Tehran “to select targets for maximum effect.”
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"radical terrorists go to mosques to pray"
Terrorists come in a variety of races and religions.
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True. Many go to churches and pray, I heard.
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I heard they also go.to temple
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Some even never leave their parent's basement.
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You think an Indiana neighbourhood was selected as "target of maximum effect"?
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Every religion has its radical extremists, not just Muslims. Peter King borders on extremism in some of his rants, but mostly he's just a blowhard.
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IMHO, terrorists are not really religious. They just use their religion to justify their psychotic actions.
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I'm talking here about terrorists which may claim any religious group, not a specific group.
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Right Anne, there are many terrorist groups that are not religious.
However, currently there are more than 35 terrorist training camps spread across the USA and run by Sheikh Gilani from Pakistan. They are called “Soldiers of Allah” or “Jamaat ul-Fuqra” and are training in some remote areas.
Some of their most active camps are:
- Trout Creek Pass, Colorado (over 100 acres)
- Red House, Virginia (over 120 Acres)
- Mecca Circle, Wayne County, GA
- Islamber, NY (considered their headquarters)
- Holy Islamville, SC (another huge compound and extremely active)
- Baladullah, CA (Huge and also extremely active)
- A new one PA (Wayne County)
- Fairfax, VA
- York, SC
- Hancock, NY
- Deposit, NY
- Springfield, MA
- Philadelphia, PA
- Hyattsville, MD
- Bethany, WV
- Meherrin, VA
- Dover, TN
- Commerce, GA
- Jessup, GA
- Marion, AL
- Talhina, OK
- Houston, TX
- Coldwater, MI
- Buena Vista, CO
- Oak Hill, CA
- Onalska, WA
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“Our initial investigation has concluded there are between 400 to 500 radical Islamic centers in the U.S. In those places,
they preach an extreme version of Islam that says America and the West is the enemy.
They espouse violence, hatred and the need for terrorism.” –Reported by David Gaubatz,
director of counterintelligence and counterterrorism for the Society of Americans for
National Existence and former senior U.S. intelligence official, June 2007
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What I was trying to say, I think any terrorist is misinterpreting the religion, whether intentionally or not. I think that if a religious teaching justifies terrorism, it is not really a religion but a human projection.
The sad thing about Islam, Christianity and Judaism, who although they have different teachings, still all believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Islam teaches tolerance of Christianity and Judaism in the Koran. These two peoples are People of the Book. However, in a political state, many people are really secularists and don't follow any religious teaching at all. They just say that they have religious justification for their actions, or they may naively believe or have been told that they do.
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"terrorism, is nonsense.
Terrorists don't go to Indiana, they go to major cities."
Terrorism is your tax dollars at work. Why would the gubmint waste resources on terrorizing places like Aurora, Colorado, or some burg in Indiana? To keep the sheeple in line! To convince us that NOWHERE is safe without benevolent Big Brother to protect us. To justify the eradication of our civil rights! To further the globalist agenda!
Fascist governments agree: Mind control works!
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By the way, I'm not stating that this event was deliberate, whether state-sponsored terrorism or a religious vendetta or an insurance scam, although it could have been any of the above. I was responding to Patb2009's remark dismissing the very IDEA of terrorism.
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There is a matter of Longworth's private activities monitoring suspicious energy waves. I believe it was related to directed energy beams ala Tesla and the growing suspicion regarding their use in the WTC 9/11 "collapse."
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Religion and state need to be separate we no longer live in the middle ages and education of the masses is the solution with no influence from outside sources.
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"Former Prosecutor Greg Garrison: Natural gas tends to go like this [up] and often leaves the entire rubble pile right where it landed. If you’ve got stuff going like so [sideways]"
SP: Leave the forensics to arson investigators. I have seen the aftermath of natural gas explosions that leveled houses and things do often go "sideways".
Go back to sleep in your retirement, science isn't your bag.
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Having a narrow, blindered, closed mind will only produce answers that are comfortably programmed.
I would rather stay outside the lines and question authority carefully.
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The long investigation calls attention to itself. They can test for explosives and accelerants fairly quickly. If they suspect gas, then they have to pick through the rubble to figure out the possible source.
"…Investigators have also recovered the gas meter from the home. They will test it to determine if it registered an unusual spike in natural gas usage the day of the blast…"
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-police-house-explosion-was-not-an-accident-20121119,0,839314.column
Homeowner with underwater mortgage that can't come up with cash for a short-sale? At a casino the night of the blast? I would look for a storage unit or a recent rental filled with furniture before worrying about non-existent terrorist cells in the U.S.
There have been more government-construed fake terror plots busted in the U.S. since 9-11 than supposedly real ones.
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if I am not mistaken, back in the Timmy mcveigh days, the FBI busted another group — white malitia types — who had built a fuel air explosive that they were planning on deploying to wipe out the FBI repository in Colorado.
my read on this is it was not an attack, but someone was building something to use elsewhere and had an oops.
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I agree w/ PavewayIII. The focus is on the gal. The easiest motive to come up with is the upside down mortgage thing. Then, add in a little compulsive gambling. Wasn't a daughter staying at a friend's house & a dog at the doggie hotel? How old is the daughter? Can she be questioned. What is the boyfriend's background? If premeditated, how evil, to look after your own living things and the hell w/ other human beings. What are they, some kind of Teutonic Talmudics or other special psychopaths?
I think the above is probably the most likely of scenarios. Then too there is the conspiracy angle, i.e. drones / special ops / directed energy. Isn't this gal some kind of NASA microbiologist? Did she know too much / threatened to spill some beans? Extortion would be one good way to get out from a bad mortgage & support a gambling habit as well. But then you don't mess w/ the big guys. You lay down w/ dogs / you get up w/ fleas. If she were some kind of target, I would certainly think they'd make sure she was home to do their deed. Unless someone also wanted to obliterate evidence / technical notes / etc, I think blowing up a house would be like killing a fly with a 12 gauge. Think of all the dead microbiologists. A heart attack at the roulette wheel would make more sense. But then these days, everything seems like pieces of a bad screenplay.
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Don't forget the awful ending to the bad screenplay: the powers that be are alarmed that many more underwater homeowners will have leaky gas pipes or unexplained arson. When the buyers- or lender-of-last-resort are gone and you need to feed your family or live in a homeless shelter, insurance fraud seems like an acceptable risk. Those extortionists have been soaking up billions of premiums and hiding them somewhere. Get your money early because that Ponzi is going to collapse in a hurry when things get *really* bad.
How does the government protect itself from homeless, hungry and EVIL citizens? Welcome to Camp FEMA. We're sorry but there is no cellphone service or internet in this remote location. CNN is always on in the recreation center and the staff will provide a limited number of copies of USAToday so you can keep properly informed. OK – who want's an "Arbeit Macht Frei!" t-shirt? One size fits all.
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I can't believe all the mis-information on this site. I live 1/2 mile from Richmond Hill. The homeowner is an ER nurse at a local hospital, not a microbiologist. She shares the same name with one, though as I guess it's kind of a common Puerto Rican name. The boyfriend, who is a jack-of-all-trades, master of none, is a security guard at a boarded up conference center, where the white van was impounded.
The daughter is 12 years old. She had texted to her dad, who lives around 35 miles away, that their furnace was broken, around 2 weeks before the explosion. I think she was set up to report a "malfunctioning furnace" to her dad. They used her.
Mark Leonard is the boyfriend as stated above. He has a long list of criminal activity on his record. Cocaine/MJ possession in which he served prison time, stalking, intimidation, contempt of court, DWI, driving w/suspended license. The mother bailed him out for the past 2 years of charges. Mark Leonard and his friend David Gill also would spend time at Indiana casinos conning women of their money. You can read this all by Googling it, but the Urafreak.com web site has been removed recently, but you can still see it all in the cache.
On a recent trip to a casino, David Gill met up with a woman, told her he forgot to take his gambling money, and wanted to borrow money, saying he was soon coming into a large insurance settlement.
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Thanks for the updated information kg… I hope they find enough information to hold up in court. This explosion has always smelled like money was involved, but not corporate money.
My best wishes for the families of Dion and Jennifer Longworth. If it was arson I hope the perpetrators who murdered them get life in prison.
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I'm still trying to figure out why all you folks are talking about a terrorist attack. Because one old guy mentioned it????
Common folks. I'm almost glad I'm heading for the hospital today and will be away from the site for a couple of days. Things are getting a little strange in here……………
Tom
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Naaa… business as usual. Same terrorists that fracked the Napoleonville salt dome *and* disposed millions of gallons of fracking fluid in the radioactive cavern before plugging it.
Not that I necessarily disagree. It's just that the truth often ends up being more bizarre than any speculation. You crazy humans are just non-stop entertainment.
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The TRUTH is indeed much stranger than fiction. I rather enjoy the Coen brothers movies. "Fargo" as fiction is unbelievable…there are no writers that good.
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A number of intelligent teenagers die in massive explosions, because they're smart enough to make the explosive, but not smart enough to handle it safely. That is the sort of thing one finds in Indiana.
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Sounds like Fukushima
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Of course Indiana is located on a large shale gas basin, so there is no way this could be related to Fracking, right?
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Lot's of Fracking going on and I think it is worth researching just what, where, who and how they are fracking in Indiana. Time to Google.
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Still possible that it is a methane explosion. Methane, released by both global warming and by all the fracking along the New Madrid fault line including the oil drilling in the GOM. This explosion is only a small example of what will happen when there is a huge earthquake or explosion in Louisiana near or at the sinkhole.
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Worse and earlier earthquakes along New Madrid than in 1812:
“Starting outside the base of the mound, he dug step trenches into the slope. ‘Here's what the bulge turned out to be," he says. "About A.D. 1400, the occupants of the Towosaghy site burned their temple. They took all the debris and dumped it down the side of the mound. There was lots of burned clay–the daub from the wattle-and-daub structure–baked very hard in tremendous quantities." Mingled with the charcoal and ashes, the University of Missouri archaeologist found ceremonial pottery, ornamental ear spools, and mushroom-shaped labrets designed to be worn in the lower lip.
“That the Late Mississippian residents torched and then deliberately trashed their temple was startling enough. But what sent Price straight to the telephone were the sand-filled cracks in the trench. He needed to call a geologist to be sure, but Price immediately suspected the truly astonishing implications: that the violent and devastating earthquakes that rocked the New Madrid area for two years, starting in 1811, were not a singular event. It had happened before and could happen again. …”
http://www.archaeology.org/0601/abstracts/earthquakes.html
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“That the Late Mississippian residents torched and then deliberately trashed their temple was startling enough…."
Not so startling if you consider that the destruction was more likely perpetrated by their ENEMIES! It's not like the native inhabitants of this hemisphere lived in blissful peace until those pesky white troublemakers arrived on the scene.
P.S. Thanks for all your posted info, Anne. I just HAD to comment on what, to me anyway, is a plausible reason for the apparent "scorched earth" behavior.
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“Archeological studies have found from studies of sand blows and soil horizons that previous series of very large earthquakes have occurred in the NMSZ in recent prehistory. Based on artifacts found buried by sand blow deposits and from carbon-14 studies, previous large earthquakes like those of 1811–1812 appear to have happened around AD 1450 and around AD 900,[4] as well as approximately AD 300. Evidence has been found for an apparent series of large earthquakes around 2350 BC.[5] About 80 km southwest of the presently-defined NMSZ but close enough to be associated with the Reelfoot Rift, near Marianna, Arkansas, two sets of liquefaction features indicative of large earthquakes have been tentatively identified and dated to 3500 B.C. and 4800 B.C. These features were interpreted to have been caused by groups of large earthquakes timed closely together.[6]…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
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A counterterrorism, counterintelligence officer has stated that US nuclear research centers are very vulnerable to an attack and the potential for a suicide bomber using a dirty radiological bomb from these facilities is a high probability. Note: Vic Walter and Brian Ross of ABC News did an excellent report on the lack of security at these facilities.
The public needs to demand that precautions and security in in force at these facilities. The research centers in universities are especially vulnerable.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.8528/pub_detail.asp
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No one was home when the bombing occurred. Even the cat was at a kitty motel!
You have a family of gamblers and an ex husband whose ex wife and boyfriend are living in the same house he once shared with the little lady only.
From a stray comet to a terrorist attack, I have had a good laugh. Some writers on this thread could have had an excellent income dreaming up science fiction novels.
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I don't know, possible I guess
But just to be fair .. my wife & I often put our Beagle up at the local Doggie Hotel & Spa when we are going out for the day – so we don't have to worry about him getting into mischief or having an 'accident'
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New this Morning 11-21-2012 Warrants have been issued by authorities WHO are NOW looking for 2 men or more that were in the white van and say it was no accident. They are NOT saying who the people are at this time . but —– > IT WAS NO ACCIDENT
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From a news story, "the family’s cat was being boarded"
Speaking as a person who has grown up and has a pet cat one of the advantages of a cat as a pet is that it can be left alone easily for a couple of days. No boarding necessary and you don't need someone to come in and take care of the cat.
The news stories have all said the homeowners were at the Casino. If they were just away for a couple of days they could have left the cat at home. If they were away for a longer period of time the news articles should be reporting that they were on vacation but I haven't heard that.
The fact that all living beings happend to be out of the home at the time of the explosion is one heck of a coincidence.
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grown up with cats (correction)
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Maybe they boarded the cat, so the cat would have an alibi
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I wonder if said cat had a prior arrest record for bomb making???
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My cat has confessed…
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More on the Latest report NEW info given out was a remote detonation
markww
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"33 homes damaged in Richmond Hill explosion to be torn down"
Of 125 homes in the subdivision, 90 sustained some type of damage in the Nov. 10 blast.
"City officials announced that 33 of them are beyond repair and will be demolished.
Those who lived in the most damaged will have to move fast to claim the last of their personal belongings."
http://www.indystar.com/article/20121121/NEWS/121121020/33-homes-damaged-Richmond-Hill-explosion-torn-down?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News
r: along with the tragic death of two innocent people, the damage toll is astounding. If there are guilty parties, nothing can atone for this crime. There'll be more drama to this story yet.
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